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April 21, 2009

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If there is a void in the conservative movement, a group of college students thinks it can be filled with culture warriors fighting for “Western Civilization.”

Youth for Western Civilization (YWC) debuted this year as a co-sponsor of the Conservative Political Action Conference, an annual political event commonly known as CPAC. Since that time, chapters have emerged on eight college campuses – not without controversy. With stated opposition to “radical multiculturalism, political correctness, racial preferences, mass immigration, and socialism,” the group has drawn early critics who view its members as intolerant at best, and linked to white supremacists at worst.

Adding fuel to the criticism is Youth For Western Civilization’s chosen “honorary chairman,” the former U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo. Tancredo, a Colorado Republican known for his anti-immigration stance, was invited by YWC to speak last week on the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Furious that he'd been invited to campus, protesters interrupted Tancredo's talk, drawing their own accusations of intolerance while decrying Tancredo and his hosts for intolerance at the same time.

“We’re still considered probably by most students to be sort of a rogue group right now,” said Riley Matheson, president of the Carolina chapter. “I think that that played a large part in creating the atmosphere of Tuesday night.”

If YWC has been relegated to “rogue” status, it’s no doubt in part due to the concerns expressed by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center. The center recently published an article about YWC on its Hatewatch Web site, alleging links between the group and “white nationalists.” Matheson and other YWC members scoff at these claims, which they view as part of an ongoing effort to vilify “right wing” policy positions.

“When they didn’t like the fact that we want to enforce immigration [laws], what did they say? They said we were haters; they said we were white supremacists,” Matheson said. “The culture of this university is such that left wing activism is OK, [but] right wing activism isn’t.”

Tancredo’s speech was abruptly cut short when protestors shouted him down and then proceeded to break a window. Carolina Chancellor Holden Thorp has apologized to Tancredo for the incident and promised an investigation that could lead to criminal charges or disciplinary action.

Group Aims to Groom Leaders

Youth for Western Civilization is the brainchild of Kevin DeAnna, a graduate student studying international relations at American University. DeAnna’s goals are significant. Far from merely launching a self-described “right wing” advocacy group, DeAnna wants to groom like-minded students for positions of power within the university.

“You go to a typical campus, and in my opinion your college Republicans will be even better organized than the college Democrats,” DeAnna said. “It will all be very organized and everything else, but that’s not who controls the campus. Who controls the campus is this constellation of groups based on ethnic identity. … This is where you get the far left stuff that gets shoved down everyone’s throat.”

DeAnna aims to place his members in groups that allocate student funds, giving them a say in university priorities.

If anything gets DeAnna and his cohorts worked into frenzy, it’s the growth of groups on college campuses that cater to specific students based on race or culture. Think black, Asian and Latino student unions. Some of YWC’s harshest critics have emerged from these groups, and DeAnna says he sees some irony in that fact.

“When they start advocating for the abolition of all these groups based on race … then I can take their charges seriously,” he said.

Frank Dobson, director of the Bishop Joseph Black Cultural Center at Vanderbilt University, has questioned the motives of the YWC chapter on his campus. Dobson said last week that he was worried the group may be using “coded language,” signaling intolerance without overtly expressing it. He went further in an interview with The Tennessean, saying he wondered if Youth for Western Civilization is “a euphemism for white civilization.”

“I would love to be able to speak with them to get a sense of what really is in their heart and their head regarding starting the group on campus,” Dobson told Inside Higher Ed.

“I do think what we have to realize in a much larger sense … is that when we look at the political landscape, with an African American president, there are going to be instances of backlash towards what he represents, what his administration represents, and the types of changes that are going on on college campuses across the nation.”

YWC's Web site does not list its member chapters, but DeAnna says groups have formed or are organizing on eight campuses. The campuses include the University of Connecticut, Vanderbilt, American University, Elon University, Carolina, Providence College, Bentley University and the University of Rhode Island.

YWC’s stated mission is guided or at least informed by the views often espoused by David Horowitz, a conservative critic who claims professors routinely indoctrinate students with liberal ideology. The group also joins a longstanding chorus of critics who suggest quintessential American figures like George Washington get short shrift as colleges craft curriculums designed for multicultural inclusion.

“Group identity pandering and things like that give way to history and things people should know if they’re living in a Western country,” said Devin Saucier, vice president and co-founder of Vanderbilt’s YWC chapter.

Saucier cites Brown University’s recent decision to stop recognizing Columbus Day as an example of antagonism many institutions have toward the history of Western civilization.

College Republicans Not on Board

The YWC’s agenda has some overlap with the platform of the Republican Party, but the group has defined itself in some ways as an opposition movement. The Republican party dodged red meat issues like immigration during the 2008 campaign, and its losses were in part a consequence of that, Saucier said. The YWC seeks to highlight the very issues that Republican groups have decided to place on the back burner, he said.

“The left has taken over the country,” Saucier said. “This is a very urgent thing. This not something where we can sit in a room in coats and ties like College Republicans and discuss how bad it’s going to suck.”

But the approach of YWC counters the “big tent” strategy that many argue Republicans will have to employ if they hope to return to power. To that end, some College Republicans have already started to distance themselves from the YWC.

“In some ways the YWC could hurt the Republican party,” said Anthony Dent, treasurer of the College Republicans chapter at Carolina. “But at least on UNC’s campus, I don’t see that happening because the leadership structures are distinct, and I think we made it clear that College Republicans do not share the aims of YWC.”

While College Republicans may not be rushing to join forces with the YWC, the group has managed to garner financial backing from the Leadership Institute, an organization based in Arlington, Va. that bills itself as a “training ground” for conservative leaders. The institute funded Tancredo’s visit to Carolina, along with a speech by Bay Buchanan at Vanderbilt, DeAnna said. Buchanan, former U.S. treasurer and sister of conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, was met with protest when she spoke at the university about the need for immigrants to “assimilate.”

DeAnna is deputy field director for the Leadership Institute, but he says he does not play a role in deciding where the institute provides funding. The YWC chapters had to submit competitively reviewed applications for funding just as any other group would have, DeAnna said.

Founders' Connections Questioned

If there’s concern about Youth For Western Civilization, some of it stems from questions about its leadership. The Southern Poverty Law Center [SPLC] raised particular concerns about the group’s connections to Marcus Epstein, a fundraiser for Tancredo as well as Pat and Bay Buchanan.

Epstein, who says he was erroneously identified by the SPLC as a founder of Youth For Western Civilization, is a frequent contributor to VDARE.com, a Web site the SPLC has labeled a “hate group.” In one post, Epstein argued “Diversity can be good in moderation — if what is being brought in is desirable. Most Americans don't mind a little ethnic food, some Asian math whizzes, or a few Mariachi dancers — as long as these trends do not overwhelm the dominant culture.”

Epstein, whose mother is Korean, says his only connection to YWC is the fact that he was a classmate of DeAnna’s at the College William and Mary. While in college, the two wrote for the now defunct conservative newspaper, The Remnant, and they have remained friends.

“If me being friends with the founder is the worst thing [about YWC] … then I think that says something about how silly these racism accusations are,” Epstein said.

The imagery and rhetoric employed by YWC have also contributed to concerns. The group’s Web site features a black and white crest with a hand gripping a hammer, which YWC members say is meant to symbolize Charles Martel, a Frankish ruler of the Middle Ages credited with halting Muslim expansion. The hammer may evoke different connotations for some.

“People have compared it to the fasces, which is simply not the case,” Saucier said.

DeAnna says he’s not surprised YWC is dodging allegations of racism, because that’s a common charge made against anyone that takes a hard-line position on issues like immigration or affirmative action.

“They’re going to say that no matter what we do,” he said. “If we say there shouldn’t be in-state tuition for illegals, they’re going to say that’s Nazism.”


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  • Censors for Free Speech
  • Posted by Carlos Alquitrane Tacón on April 21, 2009 at 8:00am EDT
  • As a die-hard Tar Heel -- I'm totally amused by the window-pounding left-wingers who demand tax-subsidized "free speech" -- approved by them. Like in North Vietnam or China. Brilliant, in its absurdity. Kafka and Orwell would be LMAO.

  • Kudos DeAnna
  • Posted by JRR on April 21, 2009 at 8:00am EDT
  • Good for you for having enough guts to stand up for what you believe in. It is not an easy thing to do these days with every instance of disagreement turning into an accusation of racism. We need more of these organizations in order to balance out the playing field. The future of our country depends on people like you who stand up for what they believe in and question the works of our government officials. Great Job!

  • Intolerance?
  • Posted by MikeC on April 21, 2009 at 8:15am EDT
  • If I am intolerant of social intolerance, am I then my own ( and society's) worse enemy? Having an opinion about an issue--whether immigration, equal opportunity, homosexuality, or abortion--does not equate to hate.  Yes, many are passionate about their opinion and with good reason.  They truly believe that our future depends on their opinion being the social norm.  If you are intolerant of someone's opinion, by definition, you must hate those who share that opinion.  Perhaps it is time to look in the mirror.  I think John Lennon was on to something special.

  • Nazisim?
  • Posted by Diogenes on April 21, 2009 at 8:15am EDT
  • Well if the shoe fits.....

    Still this looks like one more attempted canned and promoted "youth" movement from the right wing echo chamber. I doubt it will gain much traction. Massive funding and advertising doesn't create a youth base. The shattered base of right wing conservatism is simply floating one more test project in an attempt to build numbers. But I think this movement, Young America, the radical Ann Coulterites of College Republicans, Horowitz' organizations and a few others are not drawing in new people. It's just the same tired, eroding base hopping from organization to organization hoping for some kind of cohesion. This is not the message that will do it.

    And those in charge of this movement hardly understand the current teaching of Western Civilization. They seem to envision it as a class room monologue of white European triumphalism. I imagine they are nostalgic for the way Western Civilization was taught as a propaganda course around World War I or during the Cold War, when it entered the university market to ease us into European wars and ideological conflicts. This assures me that it is not a student grass root movement. They are being manipulated by an older generation. The idol they bow to has been extinct for a long, long time.

  • Intolerant Liberal Left??
  • Posted by John , History on April 21, 2009 at 8:45am EDT
  • It is amusing to see just how intolerant those who deem themselves tolerant can be. If it doesn't fit into the left wing agenda it is either not politically correct, hate-mongering or racist. The ultra-liberal left needs to understand that thier behavior is just as bad as the super right and they have no right to qwell opinion even if it is uncomfortable to them. Those people who are crying out against this group are no longer considered liberal, but left-wing. They are not liberal or progressive, just intolerant. My guess is that we will see more of these type of groups surfacing and just like groups that espouse ideals that promote multiculturalism and other related ideals, no one has any right to qwell thier opinions and thoughts. Is it incorrect to have an opinion that doesn't agree with others agendas? No, it isn't. Without debate, discussion and differing ideals the ideas of a representative form of government and higher education is lost. I guess in the current fashion craze of thinking if anyone has an opinion it is only allowed if it conforms to left norms and ideas. If you think there might be some worth in looking at some mitigation of certain policies then you are a right wing conservative. Get ready for more of this as the left goes further left and those who are moderates or even just plain old liberal are labeled as malcontents.

  • Hot Potato
  • Posted by Comon Senese on April 21, 2009 at 8:45am EDT
  • As Roger Clegg, President for the Center for Equal Opportunity often writes in IHE columns, it is very telling to "put the shoe on the other foot." Our college culture is saturated with groups -- often sponsored by the university -- which cater, give preference to, and exclude all races not belonging to their own -- and these groups typically are not white or caucasian focused. For example, what is the difference between the National Society for Black Engineers and any other run-of-the-mill 'Society for Engineers.'? The difference is the first groups is biased, prejudiced, and believes in only advancing a particular type of student based on their skin color alone, and rejects membership or a welcoming environment to all others not Black. They encourage black power and black supremacy. However, you don't see Caucasian groups picketing and disrupting speeches over it. You don't see a National Society for White Engineers....putting the shoe on the other foot.

    In fact, the Caucasian groups most likely are 'trained' to keep quiet, in fear of University reprisal -- or worse, being called a racist. These types of groups foster resentment from white communities, specifically because any group which caters to whites (which have multiple cultures also), are immediately called racist or 'hate group'. For example, the Southern Poverty Law Center, NAACP, black discipline-specific society groups, and any other group which caters specifically to skin colors and national origin are actually, by definition of what they do, the most racist of all. After all, the inherent difference in mission statements between the KKK and the NAACP are small at best -- one seeks to advance white people, and one advancing colored people. The most bile-inducing part of this lies in the fact that most Affirmative Action plans force us to specifically advertise and give preference to members within the latter of these race-excluding groups. The heart of the matter is, no one likes to be called a racist, or any name for that matter. Name calling is a simple blame-shifting technique -- often used when an individual is caught doing something wrong.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of everyone playing hot potato with the racist card.

  • liberals should be liberal
  • Posted by BrokeHarvard Grad , Unasked Advice at Unasked Advice on April 21, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • I am a self-defined liberal, but what really bothers me is someone with an agenda saying that they are liberal in order to define a position of opposition. Liberal means being open, and while I can't say I agree with most right-wing politics, I can certainly understand the fear of losing the culture, the anger at feeling as though someone is biased because of your skin color (black or white or latino) but really, a liberal would allow this discussion because there is no left without the right. There is no convincing everyone, and realistically, just because I am a liberal does not mean anyone else wants to be. I have a culture to which I am heafed, and I have a cultural bias against cultures that don't respect women. Once we admit that everyone has their own bias--that we can't escape it--then the real discussions can begin. But, realisitically as well, not everyone wants a melting pot, because what is seen as comforting to some is radically frightening to others. Talk is cheap--let them talk.

  • Nostalgia for the Culture Wars
  • Posted by Alfred on April 21, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • I do wonder how much enthusiasm these people would have for Western Civilization and similar courses if they actually took the time to read Plato on same-sex unions or St. Thomas Aquinas on interest and the pursuit of profit. Should we purge our culture's great books of anything that might not agree with the doctrines of Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck, we wouldn't be left with very much at all. Which I suppose would suit a political formation opposed ultimately, it would seem, not to any one set of ideas, but to reading itself.

    As someone who sees a viable opposition party as important to the health of this country, it's disappointing to see the conservative movement, which once had intellectual ambitions and produced some interesting writers of lasting importance, finally embrace far-right militia rhetoric, secession, and coded white supremacy. Perhaps something better will come along to take its place.

  • Just what We Need
  • Posted by Jason , grad student at The University of Virginia on April 21, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • I'm thrilled to hear about YWC. This is exactly what we need on our campuses. It is particularly sad that the most rowdy multiculturalists are at from formerly Southern colleges like UNC and Vanderbilt, but it's great to see some opposition.

  • Stand Up For ... what again?
  • Posted by Cranky Ol' Prof on April 21, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • So, they are for "Western Civilization," but they are against "socialism." Hmm. Where do they think "socialism" came from? Apparently they aren't aware that "socialism" isn't a dirty word in "The West," only in (certain parts of) the U.S. Take a quick look at the other Western governments of the past 50 years. Time for these students to do a little more reading.

  • Our Southern Heritage
  • Posted by Alfred on April 21, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • Just what do you mean, Jason, when you refer to UNC and Vanderbilt as "formerly Southern"? Just what would a truly "Southern" university look like?

  • Columbus Day
  • Posted by Adrian Seath on April 21, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • While I'm definitely not in the same political camp as the YWC, I think they certainly deserve to have their speakers respected and the damage that occurred during Rep. Tancredo's speech is regrettable. That said, I find it ironic that the YWC both resents mass immigration in the present while protesting the abolition of Columbus Day-- a holiday originally promoted by Italian immigrants in hopes of inspiring respect for their heritage.

    Also, Jason, I think UNC and Vanderbilt are still in the South... what definition of "Southern" did you intend?

  • Posted by Henry Vandenburgh on April 21, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • I'm a liberal who likes The Shadow University. This is a pretty nice treatment of how PC and Student Development people have overstepped on many campuses. If we have militant ethnic or left organizations, some of whom have shouted down people with whom they've disagreed, then we need to allow the opposite. Freedom of speech should be fairly absolute. Especially on campuses.

  • Posted by Well Done on April 21, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • These days if you oppose discrimination such as affirmative action you will be called a racist. Those on the receiving end of this epithet will have to learn to embrace it, just as the words queer and black came to be taken up by those fighting other kinds of discrimination.

  • Posted by DoveArrow on April 21, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • I have no problem with the idea of promoting western culture. In fact, I think it might be a positive thing to promote education about American and/or European civilizations. What I do have a problem with is the idea that discussions about multiculturalism is somehow anathema to discussions about western culture. I have a problem with the idea that funding should be taken away from ethnic and cultural organizations that do not share another group's worldview. That's not a discussion. That's silencing your opposition.

    If the YWC truly wants an open discussion, if they truly want to give liberal and conservative viewpoints equal air time, then they shouldn't be trying to shut down the organizations they oppose. If they were smart, they'd either invite those organizations to a meeting, or speak with them individually in order to figure out the best way to promote their agenda in a way that's inclusive and amicable, rather than exclusive and openly hostile.

    I think students could benefit from an organization dedicated to promoting western culture. After all, there's a lot that western culture has to be proud of. However, I don't think the promotion of western civilization should come at the expense of multiculturalism. It should be in addition to it, an extension of it if you will. People who think of multiculturalism as some kind of war against western civilization have entirely missed the point, and they need to take a moment to reflect until they can come up with a different outlook.

  • Youth For Humanity
  • Posted by Behrooz K Y Avari on April 21, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • Most of the student population on campus might not want anything to do with YWC, but there are a few who would be just too happy to join. The reasons for this, I feel, are ignorance of another culture, ignorance of opening up to another culture, and ignorance of ones’ own culture. Most American students I met during my period as a student in the US didn’t know much about another civilization or country; most of them were content knowing just about their state, not even their country. However, when these same students interacted with international students, they got a better perspective on issues facing the world, they enjoyed the different cuisine, tried to learn words of a new language, and grew from these interactions; and so did we international students grow from our interactions with the American students. In this age when all and sundry are talking about the world being a global village, isn’t pluralism the need of the hour? The international students didn’t try to change the American students, nor did the Americans try to change the international students; both sides were happy learning and growing from each other.

    Prejudice has always been extant, it can be seen on US campuses esp. in the Cafeteria’s where the African Americans have their own tables, the athletes have their own space, the Asians, the footballers, the swimming team, the theater group, all have their own sacred place, which members of another group dare not cross; and the YWC is just adding to the divide. Instead, why not have a group Youth For Humanity that helps amalgamate different peoples, while still keeping their original identities intact.

  • no common senese (sic)
  • Posted by ione1883 , professor/RTF at Howard University on April 21, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • Besides not being able to spell, common senese lacks common sense.  There is no need for a Society of White Engineers since most engineers are white and white males are the ones doing nearly all the hiring in that field.  As a result, young whites studying engineering do not have structural barriers to overcome in becoming engineers whereas blacks and females do.  White males only need pass the academic bar which blacks and women must do plus struggle with racial and gender barriers to get into their chosen fields.  Why would we need an Association of White Male CEO's when indeed to be a corporate ceo is almost synonymous with being white and male?  If it were needed, we can be sure white males would have formed it.   It's like pre-1863, when being black was synonymous with being a slave and vice versa. No need for a National Association for the Enslavement of Negroes and Colored People.  But then "common senese" is wedded to the big lie of white superiority, facts never penetrate ideology and in responding to him I fear I must be losing my common sense because if you lie down with dogs you will get up with fleas.  

  • western civilization
  • Posted by mathprof on April 21, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • Free speech does not mean freedom from criticism.  These YWC guys object to their views being "drowned out" by other students who are students of color or otherwise members of groups who disagree with them.  

    Of course violent protests against speakers, be they Tom Tancredo or Barack Obama, violates the canons of free speech.  But protesting against them and their appearance on one's campus is also an exercise of free speech.

    I'd like these uneducated YWC students to start their "protests" by each writing an essay on the topic, "What Is Western Civilization?"  With footnotes to actual works they've read.

    Finally I can't forbear telling about a Western Civ text from my college days.  Its title, as best I can recall, was "Our Western Heritage."  It included a selection from "Mein Kampf."  It also included Thomas Aquinas on just wars which was often quoted in anti-Vietnam-war protests.  

    Western Civilization isn't an ideology; it's a several-thousand-year-old dialogue and argument, that includes Darwin and Bishop Wilberforce, Plato and Aristotle, Aquinas and Maimonides, Marx and Hitler.  Looking at the map and focusing on the languages spoken, we see that Western Civilization also includes Martin Luther King, Jr., Che Guevara, Henry David Thoreau, and Galileo -- challenges to the sort of Establishment that the YWC seems to want to establish.  Read them!

  • In Response To Alfred …
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on April 21, 2009 at 12:45pm EDT
  • I admit I read the responses to this article before I “scanned” the article. Back in the old days, I could always count on something being worth reading if Larry or Unapologetically Tenured posted responses, but they, unfortunately, seem to have disappeared (I miss Buzz and L.L. too).

    Anyway, I decided to put my prejudices about Western Civilization aside for the moment and clear up the apparently burning issue of the day. I’m surprised, Alfred, you have never seen the famous “Manley’s Measure of the True South,” where 0 = not at all Southern and 10 = just about as Southern as you can get. Just a small subset of the scores includes …

    University of Alabama.............8
    Auburn University................10
    University of Arkansas........... 7
    University of Georgia............10
    University of Colorado............9
    Georgia Tech......................6
    University of Florida.............9
    Florida State University..........9
    University of Kentucky...........10
    Louisiana State University........9
    Tulane University.................6
    University of Maryland............7
    U.S. Naval Academy................9
    University of Mississippi........15
    University of North Carolina......3
    North Carolina State..............8
    Duke University...................*
    Wake Forest University............8
    University of Texas...............3
    Texas A&M.........................9
    Baylor University.................8
    University of Tennessee...........9
    Vanderbilt University.............4
    University of Virginia............8
    College of William & Mary.........9
    Liberty University ..............10
    Virginia Tech.....................7
    Bringham Young University.........8
    Princeton University..............7

    * Too preoccupied with itself to tell.

    So, Alfred, now you know.

  • Posted by Laura on April 21, 2009 at 12:45pm EDT
  • "Frank Dobson, director of the Bishop Joseph Black Cultural Center at Vanderbilt University, has questioned the motives of the YWC chapter on his campus. Dobson said last week that he was worried the group may be using “coded language,” signaling intolerance without overtly expressing it. He went further in an interview with The Tennessean, saying he wondered if Youth for Western Civilization is 'a euphemism for white civilization.'"

    So what's the "Black" in Bishop Joseph [Johnson] Black Cultural Center a euphemism for?

  • Formerly Southern
  • Posted by Jason , Grad Student at University of Virginia on April 21, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • By formerly southern, I mean institutions that used to promote southern culture, values, and heritage; but now the only connection they have to the south is that they happen to be located south of the Mason Dixon Line.

    Events like having Vanderbilt Professors saying they should have executed every confederate soldier after the war and changing the name of Confederate Memorial Hall are examples of being "formerly southern."

    I do have to question that list of Southerness of colleges seems pretty silly. A lot of those schools are not located in the south to begin with.

    Certainly UGA, much less UVA, much less the College of William and mary are more "southern" than the University of Alabama.

  • Double Standards
  • Posted by Dee on April 21, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • It's interesting that the supposedly "open minded" left that has such a stranglehold on University thought is so threatened by a group that challenges their views. It's so much easier to brand them racists and haters and Nazis than to listen to their views and provide reasoned response. If they are really so dangerous then it should not be difficult to demonstrate that.

    However, the mob mentality, which is what the 'reception' Tancredo got even by the professors--the so-called teachers of tolerance--sounds like, is an embarrassment.

    One small example: being against ILLEGAL immigration merely means upholding our country's laws, not hating immigrants. The canard used by the far left is to equate having a problem with illegal immigration to hating all immigrants--not true. We need to allow much more legal immigration, especially from countries, like Mexico, which are our allies; but we still need to prevent illegal immigration.

    The teaching of Western Civilization these days in America, throughout the school systems nationwide is an embarrassment also. Children are taught that America is bad--that our founding fathers were evil slave holders, etc. etc. History is no longer taught in the context of the day but rather in a modern context. Of course slavery is a horrible piece of our past as a country, and that must be taught, but that fact does not obviate the amazingness of the American "experiment." For example, the fact that Jefferson had slaves during an era in which slavery was common should not detract from his legacy in the annals of our history.

    The Crusades are taught now not as a response to Islamic imperialism but as an evil attack by the "White man" against the poor people of color. Ironically, the same broken mindedness has caused University campuses toward demonizing Israel in favor of the "poor Palestinians" (perceived as victims, despite their high level of terrorist funding and arming and continual provocation via rocket fire) who have been attacking Jews and Israel with the shocking support of the U.S. Universities.

  • Read between the Lines
  • Posted on April 21, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • I Won 1883 (sic)
  • Posted by Common Sense on April 21, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • ione1883's response is typical at best -- taking the strongly hypocritical position of double standards -- that it's okay for his group to exude racism, exacerbate skin color, promote one and only one race, but criticize any other group for doing the same; and that's what this whole article is about. Hopefully he will continue to teach anything at Howard except common sense. Even though the point of my previous comment was not about need, as ione1883 puts it, there is no need for a National Society of White Engineers, but to par, there is no need for a Black Society either -- given the inherent mandated preferences which are given to skin containing higher melanin content throughout every stage of the school admissions and hiring process. Not to mention it's moral implications of being openly-hostile towards any other group in it's very title.

    Giving the benefit of the doubt, suppose ione1883 were able to persuasively argue a need to separate Engineers by their differences, then why not take it a step further? You could have a group and sub-class for every trait that makes us inherently different (or presents perceived employment barriers) -- having Fat Engineers, Short Engineers, Gay Engineers, Baptist Engineers, Poor-Eyesight Engineers, Adopted Engineers, Low-Income Engineers, etc. If you seperate us by each distinct trait which makes us individuals, you would eventually end of with Societies of One......since we are all already 100% diverse from each other.

    Whites are taught early on to de-emphasize their culture, past, and heritage, while celebrating the histories of others; this occurs to separate us from our supposedly demonized ancestors (though most whites cannot trace their lienage to slave ownership) -- regardless of when our family immigrated to the United States, (ie. a White Male who immigrated in 1980, was never racist, and never owned slaves), and is taught immediately, with the use of mandated preferences and the visual cues of separate groups, that no level playing ground will exist for him; there will be no United Caucasian College Fund -- even though there are more poor whites, by total number, than any other group.

    In these days of providing welcome and inclusive environments, you find that only the non-race-labeled societies and groups -- i.e. The Society for Engineers -- are diverse in nature, because they welcome all and exclude none; focusing only on academic excellence, and not skin color or national origin -- and yes, ione1883, they are predominantly White.

  • Getting My Geography Straight
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on April 21, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • Back in the 50s, my best friend from my high schools days and I ended up as pre-ministerial students at one of those liberal arts colleges that was demonstrably true to the principles of a liberal arts education. Just to demonstrate its “purity,” during our sophomore year there was a knock-down, drag-out battle amongst both faculty and students – administrators knew better than to interfere in decisions that must be made by the scholars -- when two small groups of faculty tried to introduce two or three courses in psychology and accounting. A great many of us thought neither discipline qualified as a liberal art.

    In those days, we were required to take, among other courses, a two-semester sequence in The History of Western Civilization, one semester of The History of Scientific Thought, four semesters of a foreign language, and one semester each of Old Testament Survey and The Life of Christ. We had a fair number of foreign students, depending upon where Presbyterians sent missionaries (including Africa), a few Hungarians (remember the revolution?), but no African-Americans.

    Neither I nor my friend went into the ministry. After graduation, he became a successful businessman, a life-long conservative Republican, a very active player in Florida politics, and a devout Christian. I, on the other hand, went on to graduate school and became a scholar who squandered away the wonderful opportunities that go along with that by becoming a life-long academic. While our undergraduate educations were just about as narrowly-focused, conservative, and Christian as you could get, it provided me with a wonderful springboard for a life as a left-wing, knee-jerk, bleeding-heart big-government liberal ... and as an atheist to boot. Go figure.

    I mean this with all due affection toward academics, but I believe anyone who is bent out of shape about YWC has a grossly distorted sense of the importance of higher education on the details of the lives of young people. As academics we have hardly any opportunities to change lives ... except to the extent that we can train some individuals and convince others to become life-long scholars.

    P.S. Oh yes, the psychology courses narrowly won, the accounting courses were soundly defeated ... and that college now has one graduate program. You guessed it, an MBA.

    P.P.S. And to Jason ... “I mean institutions that used to promote southern culture, values, and heritage ...” Really now! But even if “promoting southern values” made sense, I can assure you the University of Colorado does that much more effectively than does the University of North Carolina. And who says Princeton is not south of the Mason-Dixon line? Ever been there?

  • a few random thoughts
  • Posted by An Actual Professor , R1 state school on April 21, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • First, Dee, if you wish to be condescendingly solicitous toward the Jews, rehabilitating the Crusades is not exactly the best way to proceed.

    Second, I have a proposal for a wonderful course for the fine young individuals discussed in the article. To avoid offending their sensibilities, it would feature only the writings of white American men known for their role in shaping American values. They will be Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, William Lloyd Garrison, Henry David Thoreau, John Brown, John Brigham, William Sumner, Upton Sinclair, Thomas Dewey, Jack London, Sinclair Lewis, Eugene V. Debs, Samuel Clemens, William Faulkner, and Louis Brandeis for the first semester.

    I don't think I need to prepare the reading list for the second semester, as I believe that enrollments from this crowd would be low.

  • Read between the lines
  • Posted on April 21, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • For those that think the western white civilization nees to be "promoted" is in sore need of a history lesson and NOT western civ.

  • Scenes from a near-riot
  • Posted by Carlos Alquitrane Tacón on April 21, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • " .. Free speech does not mean freedom from criticism.  These YWC guys object to their views being "drowned out" by other students who are students of color or otherwise members of groups who disagree with them .."

    Local media called it a near-riot.

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/dnb3a7

    Yup, looks like a near-riot. 

    And -- OMG! -- for the 10,000th time, by the same groups demanding "free speech" -- for only themselves. Like in North Vietnam, North Korea, or China. Excellent theatre of the absurd.

    BTW: those "other students" should wear brown shirts. For their kind, brown shirts are popular. And jack-boots.

     

  • To clarify
  • Posted by SD Hummer , Instructor, English at Arizona State University on April 21, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
  • 1. Multiculturalism is inseparable from the history of Western civilizations.
    2. If you don't understand why non-whites band together to further their interests, then you aren't just weak on history; you haven't a clue about today, either.
    3. Youths for Western Civilization would do well to actually study history.

  • Posted by Graduate Student , English on April 21, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
  • Add Du Bois, Douglass, Stein, Stowe, etc to the syllabus provided by "An Actual Professor" and you will see what we often learn/teach in American lit. courses. These are "great books" in the sense that they dare to raise questions of both their readers and themselves. Just as the existence of these many groups on campuses do--don't think that, for example, a group of of gay & lesbian students have much that they are willing to pin down. Perhaps these young conservatives have more in common...such as even their very far distance from the ideals they pretend to hold up.

  • A movement in search of a cause
  • Posted by Alfred on April 21, 2009 at 5:45pm EDT
  • What's oddly interesting about this group is that it's very difficult to tell what its aims are. Sometimes it's bringing down Charles Martel's hammer on "illegal [Latino] immigrants" and their children, sometimes it's opposition to "mass immigration" itself (without which, presumably, most of their grandparents would never have come here). Most of the time, they're just complaining about how oppressed they are because there's a black interest group on campus, or they're making cute racist jokes ("Mariachi band", etc.).

    There is no set of policy goals. Like the Tea Parties, it's just right-wing primal scream therapy. The only thing that unites them is rage at the possibility of immigrants Diluting Our White Blood and threatening our right to celebrate our proud history of slavery. I'm glad the College Republicans are wary of these people. If movements like these drive the Republican party for the next two election cycles, they should be prepared to join the Mugwumps and Know-Nothings in history's dustbin of amusing curiosities.

  • Real South
  • Posted by Jason , Graduate Student on April 21, 2009 at 5:45pm EDT
  • To: Frizbane Manley. If you want to be a smartass, at least get your facts straight. The original Mason Dixon Line was not a straight line at 39° latitude. When it hits Delware it goes south making all of New Jersey North of the Mason Dixon line. Regardless, South of the Mason Dixon Line is common vernacular to mean "Southern States" which to most people mean the former Confederacy, Kentucky, and maybe Missouri, Oklahoma, and Maryland, but definitely not New Jersey.

    I went to Princeton as an undergraduate recently, and once upon a time many southelrners like my grandfather would send their children there where they would get a more conservative education than other Ivy League Schools.

    By Southern Values and traditions, I do not just mean politics--I question Liberty being seen as an ultra southern school as well-- I mean having student wear coats and ties and sundressses to football games; fraternities having Band Parties with a country band once in awhile things like that. I mean the students by and large being from the South.

    Southern Schools in this respect would be Hampden Sydney, Washington and Lee, Auburn, Alabama, Wofford, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Sewanee etc.

  • Choosing the right words
  • Posted by PJoseph , Graduate Student on April 21, 2009 at 6:45pm EDT
  • "Most Americans don't mind a little ethnic food, some Asian math whizzes, or a few Mariachi dancers — as long as these trends do not overwhelm the dominant culture.”

    Folk like Epstein need to choose their words more carefully if they aim to expand/revive the Conservative base. If the YWC want to be taken seriously, perhaps they should affiliate themselves with respected academicians who don't make attention-seeking inflammatory statements. Perhaps Epstein's next essay should be on the History and Development of America's Dominant Culture. I for one would be curious to study its content.

    There's nothing wrong with taking a strong stance on immigration or affirmative action-- it IS an issue, however, when you create a group and indirectly or otherwise tell your members that they're fighting for the Greater Good, without clearly defining what that greater good is, or for that matter, what "radical multiculturalism" is (in reference to the YWC website's "About" section: http://www.westernyouth.org/About/index.htm).

    I'm not surprised to see two RI institutions on that member list, but I am saddened. It is wrong to assume that all "liberal arts" institutions are in fact, liberal-- groups like YWC only complicate the already precariously balanced, mostly un-informed set of student values that form the common denominator of campus activities and social interaction.

  • Posted by Critical Thinker on April 21, 2009 at 8:15pm EDT
  • I'm a little puzzled though. What are supposed to tell black and Latino students who are among our students and are either from abroad or US citizens. Are we going to expel them now? Please explain.

  • Posted by Adjunct George on April 21, 2009 at 8:15pm EDT
  • People should start to realize that the roots of fascism were in socialism. The current left is following the Joe Stalin line that the fascists were people from the right. I expect no other from the left than they showed in their actions. The reds are in control and having a blast - just don't get caught in their kill zone. Was that earthquake in Greece because someone from the left is using the name Diagenes?

  • Posted by Laura on April 21, 2009 at 10:00pm EDT
  • "Posted by Critical Thinker on April 21, 2009 at 8:15pm EDT I'm a little puzzled though. What are supposed to tell black and Latino students who are among our students and are either from abroad or US citizens. Are we going to expel them now? Please explain."

    You can tell them that even white kids have First Amendment rights to speech and to peaceable assembly. What a country.

  • Who cares?
  • Posted by Kevin on April 22, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • Who cares about YWC? Conservatives who are afraid that white culture will cease to dominate the Unites States have been present in this country since its foundation. That is not likely to change now. I'm sure these YWC people for the most part actually don't care what race people come from, as long as those people assimilate themselves absolutely to the dominant culture! As Epstein wrote (paraphrasing): It's okay to have a few Mariachi dancers and some Korean cuisine, but true diversity is absolutely not welcome by these folks. They don't care if other ethnic groups are around as long as they adopt and bow down to the dominant culture and accept their status as culturally marginal "others".

    This is old hat. Nothing new. In the same sense, it is old hat that a bunch of right-wingers, foaming at the mouth, would post comments here pointing fingers at a few groups of kids and attempt to associate them with the entirety of the liberal movement and Stalinism(!)

    Typical nonsense. YWC and, indeed, many of the posters in this thread do a grave disservice to their cause with this sort of xenophobic false hyperbole.

    As for Adjunct George? Needless to say, George, you have a superficial and extremely surface understanding of what Fascism means. I'd suggest that you start by looking up the word in any dictionary, then proceed to an actual scholarly account of Fascism, at which point you might progress beyond the unnuanced, de-contextualized "factoid" which you have spewed forth in this thread.

  • Posted by T. Paine on April 22, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • If you are not inferior you can not be oppressed. Stand up. Stop whining.

    On the other hand, centuries of oppression may mean something.

    Why embrace victimhood?

  • Tar Heels care
  • Posted by Carlos Alquitrane Tacón on April 22, 2009 at 7:00am EDT
  • " .. it is old hat that a bunch of right-wingers, foaming at the mouth, would post comments here pointing fingers at a few groups of kids and attempt to associate them with the entirety of the liberal movement and Stalinism(!) .."
    Inconvenient fact: those "few groups" smashed-in the window of a historic building that will cost several thousands of dollars to fix.

    Those "few groups" manage to get caught on video at multiple campuses. To the point that whenever some speakers want to exercise their constitutional right to free speech -- without the permission of those "few groups" -- the police have to be called.

    Old hat? In North Korea, North Vietnam, and China. Excellent role models for those "few groups."

  • Addendum-Intolerant Left?
  • Posted by John , History on April 22, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • Look people, it is not about the YWC and it is not about classes or forums about multi-culturalism. This whole thing is about the left labeling any thought or even the entertainment of thought that might differ from thiers as racist, hatist or worse: and not accepting that even those who opinions diverge from the current fashion of political correctness have a right to voice their opinions or even just think about them. The protests look to have come from over-priviledged, spoiled and coddled students who do not understand what healthy debate and discussion are all about and attempt to reduce everything to the lowest common denominator, which explains the mob mentality they exhibited.

    I have investigated the website of the YWC, I wouldn't want to be a part of that organization,it is too far right for me; but then again I also investigated the website of the SPLC and find them to be so far left that they are right wing (if you know what I mean). A big brother mentality that smacks of McCarthyism. So what to both of them. Regardless, both factions and both sides need to play by the rules that are laid down for healthy academic discussion and debate. In this instance, the mobbish, riotous students need to be disciplined for breaking the rules and breaking the law, period. They did one of the very things that they were supposed to be against: bias crimes. Let's face it, the wrong here was from the leftists who were acting like facists. Next time it might be frm the other side, but I'm not seeing the right being as violently inclined these days and in this era the prize for intolerance of ideas and opinions of others goes to: the left.

    You people are getting caught up in the issue of whether or not multi-culturalism is under attack and are missing the bigger picture: the suppression of free speech and free rational thought, no matter what camp it is from. With that said, I think it would behoove us to carefully watch the behavior of the vocal, fist shaking groups that seek to oppress all those who have opinions that differ from thier own.

  • Bias in the URL
  • Posted on April 22, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • It's interesting that this article is posted in a subdirectory named "white". Not "YWC" or "NewStudentgroup" or some other term taken from the article. Why did the author/webmaster assume that this group is "white"? Are we to assume that anyone who opposes multiculturalism and open borders is white? I am multi-racial and believe in the melting pot. I know many non-whites who support traditionally conservative values.

    It's this kind of inherent bias in our media and our halls of learning that creates groups like YWC.

  • More Clarification
  • Posted by MaryJ on April 22, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • to clarify
    Posted by SD Hummer , Instructor, English at Arizona State University on April 21, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
    1. Multiculturalism is inseparable from the history of Western civilizations.
    2. If you don't understand why non-whites band together to further their interests, then you aren't just weak on history; you haven't a clue about today, either.
    3. Youths for Western Civilization would do well to actually study history.
    ----------------------------------------------
    1.) Multiculturalism is responsible for most of the wars in the history of Western Civilization (as it is for most of the wars in non-Western civilization as well.)That's why the European nations split up into so many distinct linguistic, religious and cultural enclaves, most of which constantly warred against each other for centuries. The Roman Empire homogenized things for a while, resulting in the Pax Romanica, but it didn't last in the end, did it?
    2.) At some point the "everybody gets to be racist except whitey" hypocritical paradigm we have today is gong to result in one hell of an angry backlash. Hypocrisy and double standards don't build a healthy society, no matter how many fancy words you come up with to justify them.
    3.) They aren't the only ones who need to study history -- you seem to be in need of a refresher course yourself.

  • Manley, the gutless coward :)
  • Posted by DFS on April 22, 2009 at 4:45pm EDT
  • Hey, Frizbane,
    I enjoyed your list, and I actually agree with it, as far as it goes.
    Where is the Master List, incorporating the Historically Black Colleges and Universities, here, in the South?
    I guess that -- here in the South -- there are none?
    Wow, was I amazed! (Where did I get my two degrees, anyway?) There is nothing happening in the South except Whiteness?
    Who'd have thunk it, after watching TV, movies, YouTube, or whatever, for the last 200 years?

  • Those "evil" founding fathers.
  • Posted by jim on April 22, 2009 at 9:30pm EDT
  • "Dee" says that "Children are taught that America is bad--that our founding fathers were evil slave holders, etc. etc."

    Sometimes America is good and sometimes it is bad. Some of our founding fathers WERE slave holders and if slave-holders aren't evil, at least slave-holding is evil.

    "History is no longer taught in the context of the day but rather in a modern context."

    I'm not sure why moral judgements should be a part of teaching history anyway. Teaching that slave-holding was considered OK "back in the day" (at least, by the slave-holders) but that it is considered evil now (by mostly everybody) would be a non-judgemental way of handling the topic. Teaching that slave-holders were acceptable then but not now is teaching history in its own context. Teaching historical facts in a modern moral context is wrong-headed..

    "Of course slavery is a horrible piece of our past as a country, and that must be taught, but that fact does not obviate the amazingness of the American "experiment." For example, the fact that Jefferson had slaves during an era in which slavery was common should not detract from his legacy in the annals of our history."

    Again Dee has confused moral judgement with the teaching of history. Slavery was a fact and whether or not it was "horrible" depends on whether you were a slave or a master. Judging the founding fathers by today's standards is a waste of time; a class in American Civilization should not be a place to inculcate moral values. Thomas Jefferson was a brilliant man, a resounding success as a founding father, a man to be emulated in many ways but he was also what we would call a child molester. Sally Hemmings was 13 years old and as his slave, was "in his care" at the time. The fact that this behavior was acceptable at that time, as was the holding of slaves, is just another fact. Whether Jefferson was "horrible" or "evil" is not the duty of a history teacher to decide.

  • Response To DFS
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on April 23, 2009 at 11:15pm EDT
  • You have my apologies ... truly. My list could have been much better ... but, truth be known, it was based on a misconception to begin with. Here’s the story ...

    1. I saw the first post by Jason, and I thought his allusion to “formerly Southern colleges” was supposed to be humorous.

    2. Then I saw Alfred’s second post, and I thought (i) well, Jason had a point and(ii) since, at the very least, I’ve been around, I’ll “explain” it to Alfred.

    3. When I made my list – and I tried to capture the essence of satire by both being outrageous and making a quasi-relevant point – I intended to include only “major” universities. I knew Liberty University didn’t belong on the list, but I couldn’t resist ... and even thought of including Bob Jones University. I mean who can separate Christian fundamentalism and Southern tradition anyway?

    4. Here are the HBC schools that flashed through my mind ... Howard, Grambling, Tuskegee, and Clark-Atlanta/Morehouse/Spelman. I have visited the latter two on several occasions (visiting college campuses is one of my hobbies) and thought about including them. In truth – and I apologize for this too – I didn’t know how to rank them (somewhere between 2 and 4?) Hell, I read “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil,” Willie Hobbs Moore was one of my very best friends, and I know there’s more than a little “Southern” tradition at the HBCs too.

    5. Then I was raked over the coals by Jason (i) for not including a bunch of tiny colleges that literally ooooze Southern tradition (and I knew that) and (ii) for including Princeton, Colorado, and Brigham Young ... which I thought was pretty damned funny (and yes I taught at Princeton for a couple of years back in the day).

    Anyway, you know how it is with satire ... it is a mystery to waaay too many academics these days. So I find that it’s better to ignore those critiques than try to “explain” them to someone who is not likely to understand the explanation. Can’t you just imagine my explaining what I know about Princeton and the Mason-Dixon line?

    I hope you accept my apology (at least on this account) ... and tell me how to rank those colleges.

    P.S. Oh yes, when making my original list, I completely skipped over Emory University and the state of South Carolina. Had I included them, it would have been ...

    Emory University.........................8
    Clemson University......................10
    University of South Carolina............10

  • the Great Books MADE me a multiculturalist!
  • Posted by aristof-ns on April 26, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • I did the Great Books program in college, partly because I saw myself as a conservative wanting to uphold the Western Civilization. What I learned is that Western culture has always been willing to critique itself: Aristotle disagreed with Plato, Pascal rejected Descartes, Hegel "corrected" Kant (who "corrected" Hume), etc. Western thought is very flexible and has often criticized itself. I see no reason why the civil rights and ethnic pride movements of the past 40 years cannot be seen as part of that history.

    So although I went to the Great Books school and read my Sophocles and Shakespeare, I now proudly teach ethnic American literature. I think it raises important and fascinating questions about American history and about the presuppositions and ramifications of modern Western culture. It shows us how much farther we still have to go to achieve our dreams of a liberal, egalitarian society.

    (As a Christian, I also believe these critiques are useful for pointing out how far our Western culture is from the teachings of the scriptures. And, as Thomas Merton has said, Christianity has much more in common with Buddhism than with Plato and Aristotle -- why do we not take seriously the tension between Jerusalem and Athens?)

    Groups like the YWC frighten me because they remind me of my younger self -- zealous and opinionated but for all the wrong causes. I learned the error of my ways, but it still pains me to see how prevalent my old views remain in our culture.