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April 22, 2009

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WASHINGTON – The College Board on Tuesday released a policy report advocating for passage of the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act. The bill, which would provide a route to permanent residency for undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children and pursue at least two years of college or military service, was first proposed in Congress in 2001.

"We've never been more optimistic about the prospects for the DREAM Act than we are in 2009," said Joseph Zogby, chief counsel to Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), the assistant majority leader and the bill's sponsor.

"What we have seen over the years is a slow but steady building of support for the DREAM Act."

"Young Lives on Hold: The College Dreams of Undocumented Students," written by Roberto G. Gonzales, an assistant professor at the University of Washington's School of Social Work, estimates that the DREAM Act would immediately benefit 360,000 undocumented high school graduates and offer an incentive for college for another 715,000 children, aged 5 to 17.

The report argues that undocumented students "are currently trapped in a legal paradox. They have the right to a primary and secondary education [under the 1982 Supreme Court ruling, Plyler v. Doe] and are generally allowed to go on to college, but their economic and social mobility is severely restricted due to their undocumented status."

"Besides the moral and humanitarian reasons for opening the door to college for these students, there are also strong economic arguments, such as ensuring that the investment already made in the K-12 education of these students is realized and that the country benefits from the rich potential of productive, educated, and U.S.-trained workers."

"Really, these students are a national resource," Gonzales said during a press briefing Tuesday on Capitol Hill.

He added: "What we're talking about, really, is a civil rights issue and it's probably the most important civil rights issue of our time."

Also under the DREAM Act, undocumented students eligible for conditional permanent resident status could benefit from federal loans and work study (but not grants) and lower in-state tuition rates.

Currently, 10 states have laws allowing undocumented students to qualify for resident tuition rates, and Gonzales writes that their experiences do not bear out a common criticism of the DREAM Act -- that it would displace U.S. citizens and legal residents from colleges.

Those 10 states -- which include states with large immigrant populations like California, New Mexico and Texas -- have not seen "a large influx of new immigrant students. ... In fact, these measures tend to increase school revenues by bringing in tuition from students who otherwise would not be in college," the report argues. In Texas in 2004, for instance, "the total number of students paying in-state tuition under the new law amounted to only 0.36 percent of the 1,054,586 students attending public colleges and universities in Texas. This is evidence that expanding tuition eligibility to undocumented students is significant to their advancement while having little effect on other student groups."

Yet, said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which opposes the DREAM Act, "What you logically know, though, is one of these kids gets into a state university, there's somebody else's kid who's not getting in there. We know that for a fact. The only difference is we don't know who that kid is; you can't put their picture in the paper."

He added: "When did it become a civil right to benefit from your parents having broken the law and having everybody else subsidize your education? This is not a civil right. Very often, the supporters of the DREAM Act try to frame it [by saying that] children should not be punished for the sins of their parents, as if somehow the absence of a benefit or a reward is the same thing as a punishment. It's not."

Of the bill's prospects, "I certainly think they're going to make another run at it," Mehlman said. "But given the economic circumstances that the country finds itself in ... how do you justify subsidizing the college educations of illegal aliens?"

The latest version of the DREAM Act was introduced in the 111th Congress in March. Last time around, in a 52-44 Senate floor vote on the measure in 2007, supporters fell short of the 60 votes needed.

"We're very confident, very optimistic, that with the new composition of the Senate, we'll be able to reach 60 votes," Zogby said -- pointing, too, to support for the DREAM Act from President Obama. The president has indicated a desire to push for immigration reform this year, as The New York Times has reported.

In terms of strategies for pushing the DREAM Act through Congress, Zogby said that the first priority is to include it within comprehensive immigration reform legislation. "If for some reason there's a decision not to move forward with comprehensive immigration reform, we'll consider other options," he said.

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  • Are they serious?
  • Posted by LSG on April 22, 2009 at 7:15am EDT
  • Why is Congress expending time and energy on this instead of helping current US citizens finance their college educations? While my heart goes out to illegal aliens, especially children, it was their parents who put them into this situation, not the American people. Every person who entered this county illegally is a slap in the face to those immigrants who followed the law to get here. Congress should be ashamed.

  • Again...are they serious?
  • Posted by JRR on April 22, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • I am sorry for these children who are placed in such a precarious situation by their parents, but we have a much bigger obligation to our own children. Our children need to come first when it comes to opportunities to achieve a higher education. We need to ensure that every American child has the ability to attend college before we worry about illegal alien children.

  • Posted by Adjunct George on April 22, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • What is wrong with this picture. My graddaughter wishes to go to college in a different state. As a single parent my daughter cannot cover the costs. An illegal alien gets to go to the same state university at lower cost. I guess granddaughtet should walk across the state line and declare herself an illegal alien of that state. Articles of Confederation, here we come!

  • Disappointed in previous comments
  • Posted by MAM , Doctoral Student at University of Texas at Austin on April 22, 2009 at 10:00am EDT
  • I am actually quite disappointed in the previous two comments just made. I sense a great "othering" of these undocumented (not "illegal") students, who for lack of a paper are "American." What I think individuals often fail to see in opposing the DREAM Act, is that the students we are talking about have grown up here, live here, and are not going back to another country, because the U.S. is their home. Not assisting these students will have a negative economic impact on all "Americans." And when individuals say they are "sorry, but...," they are not really sorry. I'd also like to remind individuals that what undocumented students are asking for is not a free college education, they are asking for an opportunity to contribute to this society. I suggest those opposing the DREAM Act try to be truly empathetic. When you are privileged, as I suspect the individuals who made the previous comments are, and have never experienced systemic marginalization because of your race, gender, class, sexual orientation, etc., it is quite hard to see how you would benefit from helping others who are not in a position of power because you only see this as a threat to your own.  I only ask that you try to put yourself in someone else's shoes...

  • Dream Act
  • Posted by Theresa C on April 22, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • I find the Dream Act is discrimination against our own people. Their parents broke the law so we should reward

    their children? I feel very sorry for these kids but my kids come first.

  • Land of the free
  • Posted by Greg Goodman , Asst. Professor at Clarion Univ on April 22, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • As a professor of multicultural education and ELL, I feel compelled to respond to DREAM. We have 12,500,000 'illegal' immigrants living in the United States, and we will only help their assimilation into productive and healthy citizens by supporting their education in a consistent and meaningful fashion. Shutting individuals off from the opportunity to fully participate perpetuates their marginalization and alienation. This leads to gang involvment and other alternative life-style choices. This is not the intelligent or moral choice. As we continue to morph into a majority minority population, it is my sincere hope and 'dream' that all of our citizens and future citizens will receive the opportunities my former immigrant family was given. As a nation, we need to get back to having the moral fiber to walk the talk of democracy!

  • Agreed
  • Posted by SAME on April 22, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • I fully agree, the previous comment was thoughtful and intelligent. See what an education gives you!

  • Education should be a right, not a priviledge
  • Posted by Neepa , Career Counselor at Mills College on April 22, 2009 at 12:45pm EDT
  • I would like to echo "MAM's" comments. Children who grow up in the US and are educated in the K-12 system should have the right to pursue a higher education and become productive citizens of this country. This "us" and "them" mentality is, frankly, quite frightening. Again, non-residents are not asking for a free education (although this should be granted to all). Many of these students find themselves in very difficult situations with obtaining financial aid to fund their education due to their status. I personally know many non-resident students who are just as bright and determined as any other student. To put up a divide between these students is quite disappointing and can lead to other social problems as suggested by Greg Goodman.

  • Enabling and continuing the cycle
  • Posted by Amanda on April 22, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • In response to "Disappointed" I don't beleive that the previous comments were made because they have never had to struggle or deal with prejudice, I beleive they are calling it as it is and how they see it as Americans. I live in New Mexico and work at a Univeristy that deals with this issue everyday. I don't beleive it is fair to award someone a lower tuition, or grants, or financial aid period if we can't do the same for American citizens. The USA has become so concerned with helping other countries that we sometimes fail to help our own. And sadly, undocumented is the same as illegal, it's just our way of being politically correct (as usual). I truly do feel for the children that our brought in to our country by their parents and aren't given a choice, however, maybe this is where our country needs to crack down and either start the process of the children becoming citizens when they begin school, or turn them away from the beginning. I pray that President Obama realizes the importance of the immigration reform and sees that it should start at an earlier age than 18. Also, I have many friends that are from Mexico but paid the price and went through the process and are legal US citizens who feel that the undocumented students are being rewarded unjustly and should have to go through the same process as them.

  • Have you even read the report and/or the DREAM Act?
  • Posted by HJKH on April 22, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • It's really not appropriate to respond if you haven't read the report and aren't familiar with the legislation, which is clearly the case for the critics who have commented here. Having attended the briefing yesterday announcing this report, I can safely say the these comments are based on ignorance, which is disappointing in a forum like this.

  • Illegal Aliens Should Not Get Privileges
  • Posted by caroline on April 22, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • The DREAM Act is racist legislation that bestows special privileges based on race to illegal aliens who have have broken the law.  American citizens cannot break laws with impunity.  An American citizen is arbitrarily ordered to pay additional tuition to attend an out-of-state college, but an illegal alien, based solely on ethnicity, gets a lower tuition rate.  Not only should the illegals not receive special privileges, they should be deported immediately, after reimbursing the government for their education expenses.   I would like to ask the pro-illegal alien posters:  Which laws in this country are YOU allowed to break without consequence?

  • Posted by Felipe Gaytan , We didn't asked for this! at Vidal Trevino School of Communications and fine Arts on April 22, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • I just wanted to say that we (illegal students) shouldn’t be punished by our parent’s mistakes; I mean it’s true that we entered this country illegally but, why we should stop studying? , I personally prefer to finish high school and pursue a college degree than finish high school and then go work in a field where I know for sure that I don’t belong there, I just want to excel as any student would want to do in this country. I live in the state of Texas and am about to finish high school, I feel proud of myself and I just enrolled to study in a local university to begin studying this coming fall. I am a very athletic person, I played soccer and football during the four years at my high school and in both of them I was a varsity member , won many district awards including academic athletes awards, but my legal status has kept me trapped here in my city. Since I am an athletic person I had received many calls from colleges that want me to go and play soccer with them, but unfortunately I can’t because I am not a U.S. Resident.

    Here at my local high school I’ve seen many of my friends to drop school and decide to work at a McDonalds, Whataburguer, Wendy’s etc, and don’t get me wrong I always ask them ,why work now , you’ll work for the rest of your lives, I told them that instead of working ,they should be pursuing a college degree . Then it’s when I get all frustrated because they have a Social Security number and they don’t take advantage of that, I tell them this all the time ; I wish I had one in order to excel in life, unfortunately I have to wait for some miracle to happen.

    My name is Felipe Gaytan, and I hope with all my heart that this reform gets approved in order to continue my life with success not with failure.

    P.S. am not here to steal some other student’s opportunities, am here to triumph in life and if some American does not want this, why not give us the opportunity to prove that we want to achieve greatness.

  • It's not only the right thing to do, It's the smart thing to do
  • Posted by Sofia on April 22, 2009 at 4:45pm EDT
  • I am a UCLA student and I know many of these students personally- they are amazingly talented young individuals. They are surviving in college against all obstacles and not only that, but they are succeeding and graduating with prestigious degrees from prestigious universities all over the nation. Yet after they graduate they cannot contribute to the economy because of their status and are denied the opportunity to apply for a job. What a waste of American talent.

    These students ARE Americans. They were brought here at a few years of age or even a few months old- they grew up here and they have the same American values as any documented person in the U.S. The DREAM Act would help boost our economy and keep America a competitive world player in this new age of globalization. These students are smart, multilingual, and multicultural- valuable assets to America. The DREAM Act would finally allow the U.S. to take advantage of these talented people who have so much to offer. Instead of outsourcing jobs to foreigners, why don't we allow these students who we have already invested in through K-12 education and who actually consider themselves American and have the same American values as you and I? It's not only the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do. Please urge your representatives to pass the DREAM Act 2009!

  • Posted by Lisa , Medical Student on April 22, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
  • Several people have commented that it isn't fair for illegals to pay in state tuition if kids who are already citizens have to pay out of state tuition because they are from another state. I just want to point out that we allow illegal immigrants to pay federal and state taxes. So if the kids who qualify under the DREAM act have ever held a job, they will need to have paid their taxes to be considered a good citizen for conditional resident status. To pay in-state tuition they will need to go to a school in the state they are a resident of.

    This situation doesn't even compare to a citizen who wants to go to college in another state. The reason they get out-of-state tuition is because they don't pay taxes in that state.

    Also, someone asked which laws we are allowed to break as citizens, and I just want to note that children can break a lot of laws and have no serious punishment since they don’t know any better. These children were brought to the US illegally by their parents and have grown up here and are American in everything except a Social Security number. We are going to deport them for crossing a border when some of them didn’t even know what a border was?

  • Posted by David , Why are people against the DREAM Act? on April 22, 2009 at 10:00pm EDT
  • As I was reading some of these comments I stopped and realized how deeply mis-informed some of these people are. The current wording for the DREAM Act does not grant any type of monetary compensation (financial aid) for the undocumented student. The truth of the matter is that many of these students grew up here in America, are American as far as culture, economics, and politics go. The only reason they are not considered American is because the government will not recognize this fact. I want to pose the question of what it means to be an American. Is it merely a paper signed saying that you were born in this nation or is there more to it than that? If if was merely about a paper, there are a lot of people born in American soil, or even considered Americans, that in the judgemental eyes of our society would not be considered "American." Also, these children are not suffering for their parent's mistakes, they are suffering the structural negation of what should be available for everyone, an education. What kind of sensible, loving parents will leave their children behind in a foreign country to fare for themselves? Doesn't make sense does it. The process of migration, whether it be authorized or not, requires family mobilization, and I don't think people who have been here for generations understand this, that is why they can easily analogize a student who has been here all their lives, with someone who crossed the border yesterday. Keep in mind that while their legal status's are the same the people are different. Some of these students have graduated college, have been valedictorians of their high schools, editors of papers, sports stars, and many more still remain at the K-12 education, so we need to support the DREAM Act 2009 to fascilitate the Dreams of these students, knowing that it will only benefit America as a whole to have professionals that are currently in the shadows to come out.

    To every person who posts on here I ask that you do not construct an identity of a person you do not know. If you do not know an undocumented student, you cannot speak on behalf, or against one, since you have premises that will negatively guide you to overlook the fact that they are children, students. I understand my own premises, in that I know many undocumented students, and daily interact with them. They are not criminals, and they did not arrive here yesterday. After all they did, outshine many other students to get accepted into these universities, even after facing discrimination and many other barriers, such as poverty, and under-resourcing of their schools. So do not put value judgement on a subject you do not understand.

  • Just citizenship??
  • Posted by Ellen Bartlett at University of Washington on April 23, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • Some of you brought up good points, like what is citizenship? A piece of paper granted because one is born in the USA. What is an illegal immigrant? Someone who crossed a US boarder without the proper documentation. So what should the lifetime punishment be for these kids who did not choose to be born, willingly cross any boarders illegally, and simply wish to assimilate into American culture. Most of these kids have no memory of their “home” country and some of you wish to send them to a “foreign” land because you feel this land was granted to you and you alone. WHY? Furthermore, the Dream Act simply allows students who were educated here in the states, and finesh 2 years of college and/or 2 years in the military to get their papers. How many American born citizens get their BA about 10%. Yah, lets not hold back anyone who can and will better themselves please.

  • Support the DREAM ACT!
  • Posted by Jan Bone , adjunct faculty at Harper College on April 24, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • As an adjunct faculty member at both Roosevelt University (private, 4-year), and Harper College (community college, IL), and being from Illinois and Chicago suburbs, I am supporting passage of the DREAM ACT wholeheartedly. Although two studies appearing in Inside Higher Ed today (4/24/09) discuss and present data on undocumented Latino children of immigrants, the ACT would give state-resident college-tuition rates to undocumented children of all ethnic backgrounds, not just Latinos, if they also met other, specified qualifications. It also spells out an eventual path by which thse children could acquire U.S. citizenship--again, after criteria had been met. Our chances of having these youngsters become productive, contributing, members of our country improve when they have access to education and training, and have proven their determination by the criteria in the bill. To read the bill and follow its progress through Congress, go to http://www.loc.gov (Library of Congress home website), click on THOMAS (named for Jefferson, top of box) and search, using DREAM ACT term. See what the bill actually says, rather than jumping to an "I'm against it" conclusion.

  • Support the DREAM ACT
  • Posted by Javier on April 26, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • I came to the United States legally, have my own business and pay taxes. Most of the critics do not understand that the people, who would benefit from the Dream Act, or their parents, are paying taxes too. Believe me, the IRS is very efficient taxing people regardless of their immigration status. If the parents of these good students are working here (legally or illegally) it is likely that they are paying taxes too; therefore they should have the same access to college, with the same tuition rate, as any other person who graduated from High School. They should enjoy the state resident rate, where they parents reside and pay taxes.

     

    We are not talking here about gang members, addicts, and other criminals. We are talking about hard working people and bright students, who grew up here. They do not have any real connection with the country where they were born, they love the USA, they are already integrated to the mainstream and who would be model US citizens.

     

    Spending money educating this people would be a better use of our tax money than the current waste in welfare, food stamps, and other “social programs” that promote dependence and eternize poverty.

     

    It would be in the best interest of America to deport any immigrant who does not want to be assimilated into the melting pot and to keep this hard working people who, given the opportunity, will become part of the new blood of the American Dream.

  • We need the Dream Act to pass!
  • Posted by Tony Catalan on May 5, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • I was brought here by my parents when I was 13 years old. I have always been a good student, graduated from High School and soon will graduate from college with a Bachelors in Computer Science. I did not go the college of my choice but I feel great to have had the opportunity to go, I have been receiving tuition reimbursement through my job and I have been very lucky. Though, my future is very uncertain because without proper documentation I cannot find a better job. Am I supposed to work for minimum wage? Or work in the fields for the rest of my life? I'm college educated! People who criticize the Dream Act do not understand what is like to grow up in the shadows and always afraid to be sent some place you haven't been to in years. I do hope our politicians come to an agreement and pass this bill, I truly don't want to break any laws. I love this country...I grew up here!

  • Support the Dream Act.
  • Posted by Sara , MSW Student at CSUDH on May 12, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • Haven't you heard that we all come from immigrant ancestors, except for the Native Americans? The DREAM Act would allow first generation students to go on to college, but not for free. They would still have to pay tuition and work their butts off to obtain their degree. How many U.S. born children are there who couldn't care less about going to college? Undocumented students would not be taking anybody's place. They would just be pursuing a dream of becoming self-sufficient and a functional member of this country. If you truly believe that they would be taking your own children's place in school, you need to think about it again and do a reality check. Let's support the DREAM Act and share some good fortune with those less fortunate, but deserving.

  • suport the dream act
  • Posted by ana montez on May 28, 2009 at 4:45pm EDT
  • i work every day at a restaurant after school for 6 to 8 hours and i work doubles every weekend. i do not have a social security number, however the IRS doesn't seem to mind because they take just as much money from my check as from everyone else. The only diferance is that i won't be getting any help form the goverment to pay for my college education. Also i am not eligeble to get any student loans and i do not apply for most scholarships, not because of my grades since i have a 3.7 gpa but because of some number i wasn't even aware i didn't have until recently. But i am a fighter and i wont let that stop me, because i want a life of succes not a life of poverty and food stamps (actually i don't think i qualify for those either)

    PS. I don't ask for the goverment to pay for my education. But having the privilage of getting out a loan would be nice.

  • do some research!!!
  • Posted by Sunny Patel , student on June 6, 2009 at 6:30pm EDT
  • i really wish people would do some research before they open their mouths. the DREAM Act does not give undocumented students a free ride to college! it does not give them lower tuition! they would have to pay the same as anyone else and the sad part is that they can't even apply for grants. they have to pay the full price. so they are not being given any special rights, they are just being given a chance for an education. and when it comes to the point about more competition for American students, then it doesn't mean much becaue only the smartest students are going to get accepted, no matter what their "status" is. these kids are as American as hotdogs and fords. they deserve a better education. people who oppose the DREAM Act do so for their own self interest.

  • Support the Dream Act
  • Posted by Martin Garcia , Student on October 15, 2009 at 3:45pm EDT
  • While many people disagree on the passage of the Dream Act because they believe it is unfair to grant these illigal children the right to persue higher education through a legislative reform, they are very well forgetting how this country and almost every other was formed. Let me simply remind any opposer that before the formation of this great nation came about there was a group of native Americans who were very unfairly killed by the settlers of the colonial periods. The point being that of why put a mark on who is an American or not, if Americans in general are the sons and daughters of immigrants. There is also that argument that these immigrants will take the money and space that should be given to those American citizens who were born here, and that why should we be allowed to pay less for in-state tuition. I understand that point of view and I can seem to know where it is coming from. But what they should know is that there are millions of grants, scholarships, and loans already available for U.S. Citizens. Now I know that it seems like it's not enough. Then the solution is to use you right as a citizen of this country and convince our government to find a solution to that. The only problem is that the money that is invested in education every year is to much of a quantity as to allow for free higher education in this country; I don't personally don't think it will happen so easy. I encourage those who disagree with the passage of the Dream Act to do more reaserch on the topic and read the actual legislation proposal as it was introduced this year. You will notice that this piece of reform is overall a great contribution to the American society. I openly ask for your support and tolerance. Remeber that you never know which hand is the one who is going to reach out and help you.