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May 13, 2009

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In March, a few institutions -- such as Emory and Columbia Universities -- announced plans to shrink the enrollment of new Ph.D. students this fall. Now it appears that a number of other universities, generally private institutions that have some of the most well regarded Ph.D. programs around, are also getting smaller. At some, but not all, of the institutions, the shrinkage will be greatest in the humanities.

How long the universities will keep the size of their Ph.D. cohorts smaller is unclear, with some institutions talking about short-term budget adjustments while others see broader shifts ahead. Some experts on graduate education view the changes as positive, possibly encouraging a new pedagogy in graduate education and helping to improve the job market for new Ph.D.'s. Others, however, worry that the smaller cohort size of some top Ph.D. programs may make it impossible to maintain certain kinds of courses and a certain kind of intellectual environment for doctoral students.

Whatever the outcome, the shifts could be significant, as they involve doctoral programs that are influential in the world of graduate education and that produce new Ph.D.'s who tend to fare better than most in the job market. Further, these changes are taking places at universities that tend to provide full funding for doctoral students for five or more years -- making these slots highly sought by applicants. And these universities are not pulling back on their packages for these students.

Graduate admissions decisions and policies tend to be extremely decentralized compared to undergraduate admissions, and that decentralization is at its greatest at elite private universities. As a result, patterns can be unclear and at some of the universities involved, departments are being given leeway in selecting their budget cuts, meaning that some departments may cut doctoral admissions more than others. Here are some of the universities, since the first round became public, that are shrinking doctoral admissions:

  • Harvard University announced Monday that "most" of the graduate programs in arts and sciences would admit "smaller" classes of doctoral students for the fall than they did a year ago. The specific sizes of the declines have not been released, but Harvard stressed that it was also making a modest increase in stipends so that students would have adequate support.
  • At the University of Chicago, while decisions are being made department by department, the size of incoming Ph.D. cohorts is expected to be down by 25-33 percent in the humanities, while social sciences departments anticipate enrolling fewer doctoral students and more master's students.
  • Princeton University admitted 840 doctoral students for the coming year, compared to 947 offers made last year. That drop is in large part due to an unusually large number of offers last year, related to the desire to see some new programs grow. But the number of admitted applicants for doctoral programs also lags the previous two years (875 and 884 were the totals, but not the year before, which ended up at 823 offers). In terms of one-year changes, the number of students admitted to humanities Ph.D. programs is down 6.4 percent and the decrease in the social sciences is 12.2 percent.
  • Northwestern University's incoming Ph.D. cohort is down 10 percent in the humanities and social sciences, and 3 percent in the sciences and engineering.
  • The Massachusetts Institute of Technology leaves graduate admissions decisions to departments, and does not have final data for the admissions cycle. But Steven R. Lerman, vice chancellor and dean for graduate education, said that he spoke to "many of the departments" about "the uncertainties in future funding and urged them to be conservative in admitting new students." Lerman said that "I know anecdotally that several of our larger departments heeded this advice and reduced their number of admitted students significantly this year."

Generally, the recession has made colleges and universities want to keep undergraduate or professional school enrollments level, or even to increase them. But doctoral education at elite universities operates on a very different economic model. Students are almost always fully supported, so they don't bring tuition dollars with them. And while states provide some support to public universities for graduate education, private universities are more likely to be footing the full bill.

The universities that are cutting back on doctoral enrollments are also among the wealthiest in the nation, but because their endowments all took a beating in the last year, all are in the midst of serious budget cutting. To cut the costs of graduate education without reneging on commitments made to continuing students (something none of these universities are doing) tends to require meaningful cuts in new enrollments.

Many experts on graduate education think that the changes being announced may force doctoral programs to focus attention on key issues related both to pedagogy and the job market.

"It behooves us to think, department by department, what's the appropriate cohort size for a good intellectual environment, and how to do justice by our students, both financially and in careers and in quality of educational experience," said Chris M. Golde, who studied graduate education from 2001 to 2006 at the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching and who is currently associate vice provost for graduate education at Stanford University. "These are perpetual questions, but I think the current economic realities are bringing them into sharper focus," said Golde. (Stanford's departments are still devising budget cuts, so she said it was unclear how much Ph.D. shrinkage might take place there.)

Professors at universities that are shrinking doctoral programs have widely varying views of the issue -- even at the same institution. Consider three departments at the University of Chicago. Thomas Pavel, a professor of romance languages and literatures, said his department expects only half as many new doctoral students in the fall as last year. He said that since "the number of positions available for people having a Ph.D. is also decreasing; it makes some sense not to train too many of them, for a few years at least."

Elaine Hadley, graduate director and associate professor of English, said her department is expecting 8 new Ph.D. students in the fall, down from 15 a year ago. She said that this would "have a significant impact if sustained, but it won't be sustained." Hadley said that her department made larger cuts in graduate admissions than it might have otherwise done to protect other budget priorities -- a choice that was made with the idea of not doing so year after year. After students' first year in the program, Hadley said, the various class cohorts mix, so the students will have plenty of interaction with others who share their research interests.

But in history, Emilio H. Kouri, an associate professor who is chair of the graduate admissions committee, is worried. This fall, the department will enroll 17 new doctoral students, the first time the number will have been below 20 in at least 15 years. Kouri said that the norm of late has been mid-20s, and that before the university committed to fully funding all admitted students, the department was admitting 40-plus students some years.

He said that it is "not yet clear whether this will become the new way of things," but he assumes it will be for at least another year, if not longer. "History is complicated because you have area specialties and we've long been committed to maintaining the strength not just in U.S. or European history, but in medieval or Latin American history, and once you start reducing class size, that becomes a real problem," he said.

While many graduate history departments are "boutique" programs, Chicago's breadth means that research seminars can be offered that are region-specific, or that are taught "in fields where linguistic competence matters." If the numbers get too small, Kouri said, the department will have to abandon such seminars for "generic seminars," on topics such as social history or intellectual history. While such courses would be valuable, he said, something important would be lost.

"That's the unresolved tension at this moment," Kouri said.

At Northwestern, Andrew B. Wachtel, the graduate dean, says such tensions need to be resolved by changing the way departments and universities think about graduate education. Wachtel said that, financially, universities that have relied on endowment earnings for graduate education need to make cuts. The reductions at Northwestern will save about $550,000, but he still needs to find another $150,000 to offset lost endowment revenue.

But Watchtel said it is still possible for slightly smaller graduate programs to excel. At many universities, he said that department-based doctoral programs are "already on the edge of viability," such that the cut of even a single new doctoral candidate could push a program over the edge. Wachtel's big push -- which he freely admits is controversial -- is to educate graduate students through "clusters" that cross departmental lines.

"Clusters are potentially the salvation of this thing," he said. "If your history department used to take six students in Russian history and now they can only take two, the department can't afford a seminar on Russian history for two. But my response is 'Guess what? The Slavic studies department also used to take six students and now only has two, and the music department has a new student interested in Russia and so does film studies,' " Wachtel said. So there are in fact enough doctoral students for a seminar on Russia, but not one that is focused solely on history, he said.

Wachtel called this a "great" outcome, but he also said it represented a real change. "This would require coordinating Slavic studies and history and music and film, and the history department loses a certain amount of control over its students," he said. He predicted that the current round of cuts would force more universities down this road and that they would find "a huge amount of resistance" from faculty members.

But Wachtel said that these changes could produce better programs and new Ph.D.'s with broader perspectives. "Graduate programs should be emancipated from departments," he said. Universities tend to be slow to change major functions like graduate education unless "we are forced to do so," and he predicted that could happen now. "The writing is on the wall."

Any impact of these changes on the academic job market will be long term. Ph.D. programs -- especially in the humanities -- tend to take six years or longer to finish. The universities announcing these shifts are generally focusing on the need to trim budgets and not the job market. But some observers of hiring trends see the reductions as a positive move.

Rosemary G. Feal, executive director of the Modern Language Association, noted that the job market in the humanities is extremely tight right now, especially for tenure-track positions. In this environment, she said it was "responsible" for top programs to admit fewer doctoral students. "Institutions are responsible when they don't admit more students than they can place," she said. Feal noted that the MLA has long advised prospective graduate students that they should ask departments for detailed information on their placement rates and the kinds of jobs doctorates end up in.

At the same time, however, Feal said that universities must focus on "both ends of supply and demand." Simply eliminating some slots for graduate education isn't the real solution that is needed, she said. "The shrinking of the tenure-track position is where we need to concentrate, and where we need to put pressure."

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Comments on Top Ph.D. Programs, Shrinking

  • Positive development
  • Posted by kugs on May 13, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • This is in my opinion a positive development for the students going to graduate school. The labor market has not be able to supply academic jobs to the large numbers of Phd's finishing in recent years. Significant reductions in doctoral programs that provide training in fields where academia has the only significant jobs would help to bring about equilibrium. Doctoral programs in engineering, medicine, mathematics, and the sciences which have higher job prospects, perhaps should be expanded; while others would be shrunk.

  • Finally
  • Posted by steve on May 13, 2009 at 8:15am EDT
  • Finally, after years of burying their heads in the sand about the problem, universities are contributing to a solution. The glut of PhDs in certain disciplines is not a recent problem but one that has been a long time in the making – if only they had had the good sense to have started this earlier.

  • Posted by Tom at Big Public U. on May 13, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • I suspect it's not just the private schools scaling back. Many departments at my big public university have admitted fewer students for next year because of big cuts to our TA budgets. There's barely enough TA support for the students already enrolled in most programs. Recent conversations with other Big Public U. colleagues at conferences seem to indicate that our situation is not unusual.

  • Treating the Symptom
  • Posted by JP Craig , lecturer at University of Tennessee on May 13, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • I think this may be treating the symptom with a cure worse than the ailment. The real problem, at least in the humanities, is that hires of non-tenured and part time faculty have replaced hires of tenured faculty. You can easily see this by comparing growth in student enrollments to growth in non-tenured positions. Maybe you don't like tenure, but I think it's hard to argue that it's acceptable for PhDs to be earning around $30k/yr.

    Maybe programs should cut back on enrollments. Certainly I thought it was ridiculous to sit in a seminar with 17 other students--how were we to get the mentoring we needed when the professor's attention was so divided? But it seems dishonest to suggest that it's simply okay to eliminate a seminar on history and replace it with a broader one (for that, read "survey course"). At a minimum, institutions should hire more full-time, permanent faculty, tenured or not. And they should decrease the way they rely on graduate students for teachers. Doing so increases time-to-completion and encourages students to take out loans which they won't be able to pay off easily later.

  • Posted by Chithra KarunaKaran , Soc. Sci. at CUNY on May 13, 2009 at 10:00am EDT
  • Doctoral Programs in the Economic Downturn
    I applaud the approach advocated above by Northwestern's Wachtel -- specialized should not mean narrow.

    Also, if the Ivies (mine was Columbia) cut their doctoral (PhD's are not the only doctorates) programs, there are plenty of PUBLIC higher ed institutions that can and do offer excellent doctoral programs.
    Chithra KarunaKaran Ed.D.
    Ethical Democracy As Li9ved Practice
    http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com

  • Wrong economic model
  • Posted by Piss Poor Prof , www.burntoutadjunct.wordpress.com on May 13, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • I think that the whole tenor of the discussion misses the economic point. Yes, there are too many PhDs in the market, which facilitates contingent hiring, which waters down the average salary. Yes, shrinking the incoming pool MAY change this situation in twenty years.

    However, to keep discussing department/institutional finances as if these departments/institutions were viable on the open market is patently dishonest. There are few, without State or endowed subsidy, who would survive on their own. This is not to say that there isn't a need nor a societal benefit to the continuation of Humanities. That, for me, is the assumed. But, to even consider that a department should pay their own way, either through their students or through their positions, is wrongheaded.

    What we need are more sponsors, not less students and not less full time positions. We need deep pockets to pony up positions, to endow more chairs and to subsidize more studies, art or books. Sure, there is a sense of beholding to the Medici model, but it is, upon reflection, more accurate than saying that the Southern Immigrant Languages Department at Snooty U has reduced its incoming class as a way to balance its budget (which has been balanced in part by the use of contingent labor for decades).

    Get a clue. Get a donor.

  • Look for a little different cohort
  • Posted by All Grad Students NOT included , Faculty at DCCCD on May 13, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • Graduate programs should start focusing on the returning students with faculty positions. The schools are so focused on the younger PhD student, they have forgotten about the working student. We are a viable student, although we are not treated as such. Offer relevant classes in the summer so, we can complete our degree,too.

    The other dirty little secret in grad school is that you do not want us.

  • New Model Needed
  • Posted by Grad Student , On the job market at Northwestern on May 13, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • Dean Wachtel's cluster theory of graduate education is interesting and has generated an enormous amount of student interest, but the tenure track profs are vehemently opposed. They seem to prefer the old model of overenrolling, hoping for 50% attrition, and wishing other schools would find the money to create new tenure track jobs. It should be clear to everyone that this model does not work.

    Piss Poor Prof has the right idea. We need a new model for the humanities. It should start with eliminating tenure and introducing quadrennial performance reviews for all academic employees. This will force good teachers and researchers to win external funding and remain competitive in their fields. It will free up positions now held by unproductive researchers and unpopular teachers. It will revitalize stale intellectual conversations in schools without such churn. And it will provide advisors with the chance to see a group of undergraduates through their baccalaureate and first job search.

    The profession needs to rethink itself to be leaner, more competitive, and less wasteful of talent and resources. This Great Recession is the opportunity to end the permanent crisis in the humanities job market.

  • Glut of PhDs is Now a Reality
  • Posted by George Patsourakos , Retired Administrator at Harvard University on May 13, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • Many universities are shrinking their PhD programs -- especially in the humanities -- for two major reasons. First, there is a glut of PhDs in America today -- many of whom are working in positions in which they are overqualified and underpaid. Second, America's slumping economy has resulted in a multitude of American universities losing about 25 percent of their endowments. Consequently, universities need to tighten their belts in order to save money. Some universities are compensating for their shrinking PhD programs by significantly increasing the number of Master's degree students they are accepting. The reason for this change is that Master's degree students usually pay tuition for their education; PhD students do not pay for it.

  • Posted by Rational Thinker on May 13, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • "Maybe you don't like tenure, but I think it's hard to argue that it's acceptable for PhDs to be earning around $30k/yr."

    I'd say it's not acceptable that people are dumb enough to spend four to seven years of their lives completing a degree that will lead to a $30K/yr job...

  • Posted by Dr. Pepper , Academic in training on May 13, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • Don't get me wrong, I am in the process of looking for a PhD program and  I do want to complete a doctorate, but why would anyone think that just because you have a PhD you are worth a certain amount of money.  This world is still governed by supply and demand, and if you don't like the pay, don't do it.

  • Wither (whither?) graduate education?
  • Posted by David Merkowitz on May 13, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • The argument that reduced admissions to graduate humanities programs at elite institutions somehow reflects concern about the job market is disingenuous at best. After all, how do these institutions know what the job market will be like in seven years, when today's new graduate students will--if they're lucky--receive their degrees?

    Almost certainly, these cuts are a direct result of reduced income from endowments and donations, the latter of which mostly go to restricted activities anyway. If, in the face of budget cuts, departments are to maintain their commitments to current students, they have to squeeze the pipeline at the beginning. Those larger classes will continue to move onto the market over the next several years, and graduates of elite institutions will have a better crack at the small number of positions available than everybody else.

    If the current situation results in more creative thinking about pedagogy, etc., well, that's all to the good. However, I'd be more interested in hearing what graduate departments--at all kinds of institutions--are doing to address chronic problems, such as time to degree and the number of students who never complete their programs. Those problems have persisted for decades, through economic ups and downs and despite the efforts and recommendations of numerous commissions and institutions.

  • My $0.02
  • Posted by ChemistryProf on May 13, 2009 at 3:15pm EDT
  • Maybe you don't like tenure, but I think it's hard to argue that it's acceptable for PhDs to be earning around $30k/yr

    .Why not?

    At a minimum, institutions should hire more full-time, permanent faculty, tenured or not

    .How does “permanent” differ from “tenured?”

    Doing so increases time-to-completion and encourages students to take out loans which they won't be able to pay off easily later

    .Pons asinorum.

    What we need are more sponsors, not less [sic] students and not less [sic] full time positions. We need deep pockets to pony up positions, to endow more chairs and to subsidize more studies, art or book

    sAs long as it’s not the government, go for it. Hit up Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, George Soros to your heart’s content – but leave out the taxpayers, thank you very much.Cutting back in the humanities – and the social sciences, for that matter – is long overdue. For decades universities have been churning out completely useless Ph.D.s in the humanities, while social science courses have long been the catch basin for undergraduates who have no business attending university. Sitting on a committee that handed out fellowships across all disciplines, I was shocked at the trivial fluff that passes for doctoral work in the humanities. (If I heard one more applicant talk about his thesis on Shakespeare, I’d have run screaming from the room. My favorite: the guy who was determing the frequency with which Shakespeare said “Gadzooks” or the sort in each play.)But look at the comments here, which I assume come largely from humanities types. “Less students?” “Less full time positions?” “All Grad Students NOT included?” You guys are supposed to be the wordsmiths, remember? We scientists and engineers are supposed to use “less” instead of “fewer” for a discrete variable, and screw up the syntax of “Not all grad students are included.”

  • Straw Men
  • Posted by Unemployed Academic on May 13, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • Ah, yes, ChemistryProf takes out the big guns and aims them at the humanities. Yes, we know that all science majors eventually find jobs in scientific pursuits where their soon-obsolete knowledge (remember that scientific knowledge is cumulative and progressing) is used every day. We also know that scientists always produce useful knowledge, such as how to color a pill green rather than blue so that a pharmaceutical corporation can retain a patent and make more money; how to make a synthetic liquid smell like beef but taste like straw; how to create over 400 dead zones in our oceans; how to incinerate the planet with nuclear power; how to create plastics that persist in our oceans as sparkling bits of deadness in vortices larger than Texas; how to fry the flesh off a human being with white phosphorous; how to generate an obesity epidemic with high fructose corn syrup; how to create antibiotic-resistant bacteria; or how to jigger with our genetic code at a rate many times the rate of previous evolutionary change. And, let's not forget happiness. We all know how happy we are now that science has given us so much cheap stuff. No, really, those are stupendous achievements you scientists have given us. By all means, let's drastically reduce funding to the humanities. Perhaps, we should get rid of them altogether? We can, after all, just inject sophisticated entertainment, diplomacy, an ability to communicate with people of other societies, an ability to analyze our own positions in the world and historical consciousness straight into the minds of our citizens. In fact, we should just let our workers labor in blissful ignorance while educated types rule the world. We workers do not understand modern art.

  • One aspect of the problem
  • Posted by Dr. Anonymous on May 13, 2009 at 8:00pm EDT
  • The major public research universities offer top-class training and degrees. There also the number of incoming PhD candidates is shrinking. Sometimes this is due to the desire of unenlightened presidents and provosts to realocate resources. This means almost always to shift funding from the Humanities to the sciences. This can even serve as an excuse to eliminate PhD programs, again almost always from the Humanities. The future of our universities bodes ill under such administrators.

  • Straw men indeed
  • Posted by Gabriel Hanna , Physics and Astronomy at Washington State university on May 14, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • Yes, we know that all science majors eventually find jobs in scientific pursuits where their soon-obsolete knowledge (remember that scientific knowledge is cumulative and progressing) is used every day. We also know that scientists always produce useful knowledge, such as how to color a pill green rather than blue so that a pharmaceutical corporation can retain a patent and make more money; how to make a synthetic liquid smell like beef but taste like straw; how to create over 400 dead zones in our oceans; how to incinerate the planet with nuclear power; how to create plastics that persist in our oceans as sparkling bits of deadness in vortices larger than Texas; how to fry the flesh off a human being with white phosphorous; how to generate an obesity epidemic with high fructose corn syrup; how to create antibiotic-resistant bacteria; or how to jigger with our genetic code at a rate many times the rate of previous evolutionary change. And, let's not forget happiness. We all know how happy we are now that science has given us so much cheap stuff.

    How happy are the starving and the dead? Queen Anne lost 17 children, and had the best medical care money could buy in the 18th century.

    A student of the humanities surely does not need to be reminded that Augustus Caesar had "neither a shirt to his back nor glass in his windows", despite being the most powerful human being in the world. And there was only one Roman Emperor. How well do you think common people or slaves had it?

    Before science and technology most people were condemned to death in childhood; those who survived were generally little better than the chattel of some despot.

    You know what ended that? "Cheap stuff". You know what made it possible for normal people instead of the sons of lords, or priests, to get the chance to study the humanities as a profession? "Cheap stuff".

    How DARE you call yourself educated?

  • A few responses
  • Posted by JP Craig , Lecturer at University of Tennessee on May 14, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • * What sort of idiot gets a PhD anticipating a $30k.yr job? No one. No student expects he or she will be that sort of earner, and humanities departments often have been less than up-front about that. Certainly undergraduates who come to me talking about graduate school are surprised by what they find when I show them the English jobs wiki.

    * By permanent faculty, I mean people hired into open-ended contracts, not one-year contracts. A small amount of job security--even a three-year contract--is a reasonable expectation.

    * Why do these conversations turn into Sciences vs. Humanities food fights? It's the anniversary this year of CP Snow's book, right? (And scientists who take a Darwinian attitude about students should be cautious; wasn't Bill Gates begging the government for more visas because American graduates aren't cutting it?)

    * Bridge of asses? Who was talking about geometry?

  • Arguing on the Internet
  • Posted by Polemicist on May 14, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • In response to Hanna-- you are completely missing the point of UA's post. No one is casting doubt upon the utility of the hard sciences in regard to the physical betterment of society. That would be idiotic. UA's point was that not every science PhD is going to produce work that is of benefit to society. The corollary here is that not every humanities PhD is going to produce work that is useless to society, as ChemistryProf might be inclined to think. Indeed, unless it is one's contention that the human experience, past and present, is not worthy of study, one would be hardpressed to dispute the intrinsic value of humanistic knowledge for society.
    At any rate, it is unproductive to doubt the merits of either category of disciplines. Although arguing on the internet may be fun, there are more important issues raised in this article for the reader commentary to be focusing on this matter.

    Also, to response to the comment by "rational thinker"-- perhaps you should rationally think about what are about to post on a semi-serious forum before you post it. JP Craig's objection to paying any PhD 30k/yr does not stem purely from self-preservation. The message which he/she was trying to convey (or should have been) is that, when you start providing minimal compensation to individuals who have spent 4-7 years in graduate school, often into their early 30s, the talent level of those individuals who will be enrolling in grad schools will eventually decline. You want to have skillful, academically productive, and intelligent individuals teaching your children in colleges for which you are likely paying a great deal of money. To reiterate-- providing lecturers/professors with meager pay is going to erode the quality of the education which will be available at universities, as more and more capable individuals steer clear of jobs of guaranteed improverishment. If you're okay with that, then god help us all.**

    ** Though, from I can discern, we as a society are completely okay with secondary education crumbling at its foundations. So why not tertiary education too?

  • Motes to Beams to Blinders
  • Posted by Unemployed Academic on May 14, 2009 at 11:30am EDT
  • Perhaps, Gabriel Hanna, I am misreading your post and your righteous indignation is tongue-in-cheek, but I wonder about your response. Did I fail so utterly to convey my point that ChemistryProf has feet of clay? That while science has brought many good things, it has also brought many useless and even evil things as well? Your apparent disregard of this point causes me to shudder every time I think of the great power that you may hold over the rest of us.

    I also find it incredible that you seem to think that science was responsible for ending slavery. The Byzantines knew how to make steam engines. They did not choose to use this technology to end slavery because their culture did not value the end of slavery.

    My point is not to condemn all scientific research, but to point out that there is no need for us to fight each other over the scraps that those who control the purse strings of academia throw to us. Rather, I would suggest that we aim our sights outward at the system that only provides scraps.

  • Long overdue
  • Posted by Gypsy Boots , Former academic on May 14, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • As a holder of an English Ph.D. from a prestigious graduate institution that has had a completely negative impact on my earnings and career path (taught part-time for 18 years, didn't get on the tenure-track, now fee fortunate to be earning under $40K doing journalistic-type writing that doesn't require more than an undergrad degree), I think this move is long overdue.
    People like me usually go away and shut up, partly because so many of us are "embarassed" that we didn't make tenure and, at best, try to forget our former lives as "failed" acadmics. As a result, we're rarely directly represented in this debate. But there are thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of us. The best outcome for many is that we start building post-academic careers in our thirties and forties instead of our twenties.
    The opportunity costs of graduate school in the humanities are huge for those who don't make tenure, even if you are fully supported. Let's face facts, people. The number of grad schools and grad students in the humanities in this country needs to be cut by at least half, maybe more, permanently.

  • Not only humanities
  • Posted by Faculty Person on May 14, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • The truth is there is an oversupply of PhD's in the sciences as well. It is certainly less severe than the humanities but it is there. The causes are similar to those of the humanities glut -- graduate students are great to have around.

    Until and unless the disciplines control the intake of PhD students there will be an oversupply of graduates leading to depressed wages. The increasing reliance by universities on contingent labor only worsens the problem.

    There are shortages of PhD's in several areas -- Business for one.

  • Posted by sv on May 14, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • I’ve always wondered why departments haven’t taken the steps - collectively, I guess, - to ensure that there is a more favorable ratio of doctorates to job openings. It’s not an exact science, but in my discipline – history – there are 150 job applicants for certain positions and it’s been this way for a while. I understand that the anticipated retirements have not yielded tenure-track positions but again this has been the case for years now and if we’re going to tackle both the lack of tt jobs and the glut of phds on the market it seems to me that introducing a little scarcity into that market might help.

  • Straw men
  • Posted by ChemistryProf on May 14, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • We also know that scientists always produce useful knowledge, such as how to color a pill green rather than blue so that a pharmaceutical corporation can retain a patent and make more money; how to make a synthetic liquid smell like beef but taste like straw; how to create over 400 dead zones in our oceans; how to incinerate the planet with nuclear power; how to create plastics that persist in our oceans as sparkling bits of deadness in vortices larger than Texas; how to fry the flesh off a human being with white phosphorous; how to generate an obesity epidemic with high fructose corn syrup; how to create antibiotic-resistant bacteria; or how to jigger with our genetic code at a rate many times the rate of previous evolutionary change.

    You’re unemployed? With those reasoning skills? Go figure.

  • The loquaciousness of Science PhDs
  • Posted by Polemicist on May 14, 2009 at 11:30pm EDT
  • "You’re unemployed? With those reasoning skills? Go figure."

    Ah yes, what a witty retort, sir! Clearly you have trounced him with your impenetrably brilliant eight word response. I believe that there is, somewhere, a drunken grunting match awaiting your sagely contributions.

  • towards the actual sciences
  • Posted by DFS on May 15, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • There should never be any draw-down in the progress of the natural sciences. If necessary, in fact, this is the one area in Academe which should be by definition amenable to actual progression in 'ranks.'

    And let's divide this pursuit away from those not actually Scientific. Let the chips fall where they may be applicable.

    As Science progresses, so should be the Ph.D.'s and the post-docs. If necessary, coin a new degree.

    Science is accumulative and progressive. Let's let it accumulate and progress!

    And let's let the other disciplines be allowed to limp along, as they always have done.

  • Rampant Ignorance
  • Posted by Polemicist on May 15, 2009 at 11:30am EDT
  • DFS, pray tell as to how 'science' is, by definition, capable of cumulative progression but that other disciplines are not. Do you even know what the word 'science' means by etymological definition? Probably not, given the nonexistence of your argumentation and the general ignorance it exudes. Indeed, what is this "other disciplines limping along as they have always done" nonsense? Are you truly this oblivious of anything which occurred before you slighted us all by coming into this world? People like you should not be in charge of making any decision ever.

    Why is it that many of the go-science-and-screw-everyone-else posters in this thread are incapable of forming a coherent and logical response, one which constitutes more than vapid iterations of "har har humanities"? A truly stunning demonstration of the intellect which they clearly command over us.

  • Polemicist
  • Posted by DFS on May 18, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • I'm sorry I forgot to clue you in on how science progresses.

    You see, it's like this. Someone envisions an idea about how the world, or something observed in nature, behaves. (Please keep in mind that this is irrelevant to your latest ideas on the nature of human behaviors.)

    Then, someone, a human, endeavors to explain this theory. They have, in the last two millenia or so, decided that the way to be taken seriiously is to construct experiments which are repeatable, so that others can reconstruct the hypotheses themselve. When they can only then explain the observed phenomena with the presupposed necessary conditions for the experiment, they then conclude -- by these criteria -- that the theory is correct.

    Only one demonstrably repeatable counterexample is necessary to disprove the "theory."

    On the other hand, though, we can simply "limp along" by asserting something not readily or actually quantifiable with science. If we are 'loud' enough, or recognized to be 'important' enough, we can continually defend this position -- and necessarily by 'volume' alone -- as relevant.

    Science be damned.

    Such is the way of Copernicus, et. al.

    Be blessed in your latest cacophany. Science will eventually show that your latest stupidity is only stupidity.

    There will necessarity be many of us, however, who will "die" because of your 'noise."

    Limp along.

  • Maybe not?
  • Posted by Soupy , Professor English at University of Utah on May 24, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • I am wondering if the comments are not all a little narrow from a social perspective.
    Fewer admissions to graduate programs, for whatever cause and result for job competition, suggests that the rising number of vocationally educated graduates of what is now called 'post-secondary schooling' maybe as often as 'college education' will fit this eventual dearth of people with PhD's quite well, wherever the PhD's are from, private or public institutions.
    People are also suggesting curtailing the number of years for the undergraduate degree, another shift to vocational planning that Bok, e.g., rightfully laments.
    So the social implications of the results of this change are maybe more important than the labor conditions for academics, if not unrelated to them.
    We might also notice that the size of entering MD classes is being reduced at some medical schools, suggesting that the rise of PA's and nurse practitioners may reshape the delivery of medical care, inevitably in its financial reforms? Just as people teaching in community colleges 'deliver' to people with lesser academic goals excellent care for what they want. A crude analogy but an example of re-distributing not just wealth, not a bad thing, but preparations that suit results. Much like the European systems of schooling. Since the class system in the US is not very different in fact from the European systems, the change in mythologies all these examples may foretell may not be so destructive as the misleading results of Horatio Algerism.
    Finally: my heart leapt up to see the word 'cluster,' but sank to see it mean institution-bound interactions. As libraries are losing enormous capacities to "keep up" and to be receptacles for collections as they re-orient themselves as services to the people who use them, so might universities in geographic "clusters" think about creating limited individual numbers of PhD programs while sustaining a geographic regional coverage. All the territorial and financial and traditional troubles such geographic clusters would require might eventually be the sustainable model, as it would be with libraries, without their becoming only artifacts of digital technologies.

    Maybe social justice would increase beyond academic capitalism?

  • Too Much/Too Little Education?
  • Posted by The Blowback on May 27, 2009 at 6:00am EDT
  • Reading some of the above comments one is left with the impression that what is lacking is any kind of critique of the status quo. To follow some of the tortured logic of some of the comments would be to blame the victims-- adjunct professors. I would hope that people with Ph.D's can think beyond the simple minded law of supply and demand. There is no doubt too much higher education and most of it is not very good. But when did earning a Ph.D become a crime? Why is the very act of learning viewed in such terms? There are also too many law schools and lawyers, too many MBA programs, too many medical Schools(a new medical school at Hofstra on LI NY will join 9 medical schools in the same region!!!!), too many schools of education. Yet New York City public school teachers can earn up to $100,000 due to strong Union actions over many years. It hardly seems fair to those of us who have earned Ph.Ds and who teach at slave wages and have far too many poorly educated high school students in our classes. America has turned its so-called concern with education into another political scam that benefits some but not others. What do we say of a social system that both seeks to have students attend college and graduate school but fails to provide well paying positions for many? The problem is also that there is little understanding or value placed on graduate education in this country. Having been forced to work as an adjunct professor for far too long after many years of attempting to transition into an non-academic position and after applying and re-applying to law school( as one law school Dean intoned to me we accept many MDs into our program but few Humanities Ph.Ds as if he was expecting an apology for my having earned my Ph.D in English well a JD is not a research degree and if this was Europe he would have needed to earn doctorate in the law to hold his position), it would seem that being well educated and being an experienced college teacher and scholar get you nothing in America. The American Dream is a lie but for many of us it is easier to live the lie than to stand up and point out how bankrupt the ideals of education and america have become in the hands of those who seek only self interest. I have been a witness in my many academic positions to the utter ineptitude and incompetency of tenured professors and university administrators who bring nothing but low academic standards to the education of their students. Because there is no meaningful oversight in higher education there can be no real reform. Higher education is becoming more and more expensive as it serves the needs of fewer and fewer students while providing more and more students with less and less. It is a system no different than Wall Street Investment scams where the benefits go to the few while the many suffer. What is needed is full time employment not more tenured jobs that will go the most recent Ph.D graduates while individuals like me are pushed aside because we were not given tenured track positions within 3 years of graduating[see MLA Findings Sp 2009]. Years are taken to earn one's education and to gain teaching experience only to be wasted by a system that cannot in any honest way treat its slave labor. Market Capitalism will never provide an adequate number of full time jobs or adequate income no matter how many degrees you may have at the end of your name. If the concept of malpractice existed in higher education as it does in medical torts than we would have a very different power balance than the one we have now where power rests with college administrators and tenured faculty. Universitites need to change but will never do so unless they are forced to change by government and legal means. What we have now in higher education is system that rests on inflated claims, inflated tuition, inflated grades, and inflated self-interests. We can't even get beyond the 9 month academic year in the year 2009!!! How long is it going to take to re-think higher education and to re-think the ways in which this society orders work and money. Marx may have been wrong about many things but he was correct in noting the relationship between base and superstructure. What we need are more insightful critiques than the same blog chat. The paradox: too much and too little education, too little and too much money. How will we begin to critique our oppression at the hands of those institutions who seek, they tell us, to free us from a bleak present and future. The answer cannot be just more education or more tenured jobs or more scholarship. What is needed is a change in the foundation of our thinking.