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June 4, 2009

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"Wow, think her bosses at Clemson knew she was giving that talk?" one audience member said to another as they walked out of Catherine E. Watt's presentation about the South Carolina university's approach to the U.S. News rankings Tuesday at the Association for Institutional Research.

Judging from the combustible reaction, it's safe to say not.

Clemson officials lashed out at Watt in a prepared statement Wednesday after Inside Higher Ed reported on her statements at the researchers' annual forum in Atlanta. Watt, who until 2006 headed Clemson's institutional research office and now leads a research center there, made a presentation that was nominally meant to laud her university's effective strategic planning and project management efforts.

But the "project" whose success she described -- Clemson's single-minded pursuit of its widely publicized goal of becoming a top 20 public research university -- resulted in an unusually frank airing of how what Watt called "manipulation" of such measures as class size and faculty salaries has helped Clemson soar up U.S. News & World Report's ranking of public research universities. In her speech (a summary of which can be found here), Watts asserted -- among other things -- that Clemson officials, with rising in the rankings as their central goal, had systematically lowered class sizes below the U.S. News threshold of 20 while increasing class sizes where the additional students wouldn't hurt its standing in the rankings; and that they had regularly given low scores on the rankings' "reputational" survey to other colleges and universities in order to make Clemson look better.

In a written statement and in an interview late Wednesday, Cathy Sams, Clemson's chief public affairs officer, took strong exception to Watt's presentation -- although she mostly offered alternative explanations for the reduced class sizes and other outcomes rather than evidence to challenge Watt's assertions.

"The accusation that Clemson, its staff and administrators have engaged in unethical conduct to achieve a higher ranking is untrue and unfairly disparages the sincere, unwavering and effective efforts of faculty and staff to improve academic quality over the past 10 years." Sams said in the written statement. "While we have publicly stated our goal of a Top 20 ranking, we have repeatedly stressed that we use the criteria as indicators of quality improvement and view a ranking as the byproduct, not the objective."

What's tricky for Clemson, Sams acknowledged, is that university officials cannot with a straight face say that the rankings do not matter to them; the Top 20 goal has been the centerpiece of President James F. Barker's administration. And the data that Watt presented do not lie: Clemson has, for instance, seen the number and proportion of its undergraduate classes with 10 to 19 students rise to 790 and 32.8 percent, respectively, in 2008, from 356 and 18.8 percent in 2004, while the comparable figures for classes of 20-29 have fallen to 360 (15 percent) in 2008 from 591 (31.2 percent) in 2004.

While Watt attributed that change to a purposeful effort to score better on one of U.S. News's key measures of use of faculty resources -- "Two or three students here and there, what a difference it can make," she said, "manipulation around the edges" -- Sams instead said it had resulted from several faculty-led initiatives in the mid-2000s designed to improve the student experience. One focused on figuring out why students were "washing out" of key courses with D and incomplete grades, and another, Creative Inquiry, connected small groups of students with professors for research-intensive study. Both resulted in smaller classes. "These pedagogical changes ... were just disregarded" in Watt's analysis, Sams said. "It's like none of that ever happened. You can take any statistic and make it look like it's something that it's not, if you don't go and look at other things that were happening at the time."

Clemson's written response directly rebuts Watt's assertion that the university generated several differing versions of faculty salary data for U.S. News and other surveys, a suggestion that particularly drew the ire of some of her institutional research colleagues. "Institutional research has never, not once, produced duplicate faculty salary reports," Sams said. "We report the same data to U.S. News that we report to the American Association of University Professors. U.S. News includes benefits in faculty salary for Clemson and for every national university they rank -- something that Ms. Watt apparently didn’t know."

But the university's statement is largely silent on Watt's most explosive accusation: that Clemson officials, in filling out the reputational survey form for presidents and other top administrators, rate "all programs other than Clemson below average," to make the university look better. "And I'm confident my president is not the only one who does that," Watt said.

The university's statement included a quotation from Dori Helms, the provost and vice president for academic affairs, which said that "neither President Barker nor I would manipulate the data in ranking other institutions. We are proud of other institutions that represent quality higher education in this country and would not want to detract from their reputations."

In the interview, Sams called that accusation "the most troubling" because it "calls into question the personal integrity of people who have high ethical standards.... All I can tell you is that I talked to all three of the individuals who fill out the survey, and they said, 'That does not happen, that is not true.' They were deeply offended."

When a reporter suggested that the easiest way for Clemson to disprove Watt's allegation would be to make public copies of the reputational surveys its officials had submitted to U.S. News, Sams said that the university did not have a complete set of them, and that its officials were concerned that the administrators' responses about other colleges would ultimately be shared with leaders of those institutions. (Inside Higher Ed promised not to release the responses on individual institutions to the public.)

Pressed further, Sams said that "we do have copies of some of them and plan to make them available to you." Clemson had not done so by the time this article was published.

As the firestorm she created with her presentation Tuesday raged around her, Watt herself passed up a reporter's request that she provide evidence back up her assertions. "At this point, I don’t have any additional comments," she wrote in an e-mail reply. "I had hoped to have a discussion about strategic planning, outcomes, and U.S. News with friends and colleagues rather than the 'stir' that has indeed been created."

Watt added that all she was trying to do was to show that "[t]here should be room for multiple points along [the] philosophical continuum" about the role of the rankings and appropriate and inappropriate steps a university should take in response to them.

Sams said she and other university officials believed that in trying to do that, Watt had "done a disservice to people who have really focused on strengthening academic quality and improving research that U.S. News doesn't really care about -- things that would improve the university and as result resulting in a rise in the rankings."

Asked if Watt might face disciplinary action, given that Sams' statement described her comments as "outrageous" and as an "insinuation of unethical behavior that crosses a line," Sams said "I would not think so... There's a lot of unhappiness and a lot of anger, a lot of disappointment. But I think that is where it stops."

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Comments on Rankings Rancor at Clemson

  • The emperor has no clothes
  • Posted by bevo on June 4, 2009 at 7:30am EDT
  • Clemson gamed the system to enhance its reputation. So, what?

    How many schools neglect to report English test scores from non-native speakers? How many schools encourage as many applicants to apply regardless of a realistic chance of admission in order to improve their selectivity?

    All those efforts fall in the same category as Clemson's efforts.

    The peer quality component has drawn ire of some administrators. Some administrators, who actually lead rather than manage, refuse to participate in that portion of the data collection. Other administrators knock their peers in order to enhance their employer's quality.

    Don't blame or fault Clemson. Blame and fault US News and World Report.

  • Posted by Sam on June 4, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • Anyone want to wager that she'll be fired by the end of the week (if she isn't tenured)?

  • Emperor Has No Clothes has it pegged.
  • Posted by Charlie 5 , Admissions at University of Iowa on June 4, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • This is occurring all along the spectrum of higher education. From the undergraduate level on up. Not all schools manipulate, or "fudge", the numbers; but many do.

    I actively started searching for another job after I found out that the graduate program I was working for inflated the standardized test score for its entering class with no quantitative or qualitative justification. When I, as a new employee of two months, asked for an explanation for the difference, the leadership of this particular graduate division were silent and never responded. I knew, at that point, that I had made a mistake in accepting this particular job.)

    There are other schools that hire graduates as Research Assistants, even if they do not qualify to be RA's, so that they can consider the graduates to be employed and bump up their employment statistics.

    There are public school graduate programs that do not count the standardized test scores for residents so that they do not bring the entering class's median scores down. (In every state that I have studied, resident standardized test scores are lower than nonresident standardized test scores.)

    I do not necessarily blame US News for this. Individual schools and administrators choose to be ethical and do the right thing; or they do not. US News does not make that decision for them.

    I think that all colleges and universities should hire the editor of US News to replace any fired researcher or administrator, since it seems that the editor of US News seems to know so much more about how to run a university than anyone else.

    Semper Fi.

  • FOIA those surveys
  • Posted by Administrator, big public U on June 4, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • I suspect that those reputational surveys would be accessible under FOIA if copies are still held by the institition since they were completed by public officials as part of their duties -- but to be fair to Clemson, Inside Higher Ed should also request copies of the surveys from other large public schools. These surveys are a joke. Just before they are mailed out, my inbox gets filled with glossy brochures from mid-level schools proclaiming how great they are. The timing is no coincidence; all of these schools are attempting to influence responses on the USNWR survey.

    Ms. Watt has opened up a good discussion on this topic. What Clemson and other schools are doing is responding rationally & strategically to the very narrow set of measures used by USNWR.

     

     

  • Bevo - they're not children!
  • Posted by responding to bevo on June 4, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • In response to Bevo saying, "Don't blame or fault Clemson. Blame and fault US News and World Report," that is one of the most ridiculous things I hear people saying. Blame the rankings because a national University directs its resources to influencing a guidebook? Are you serious? That is absurdly weak thinking and a really destructive attitude. You only enable bad behavior by blaming someone else. Anyone who has ever raised children knows that too well. Yet you think that the magazine is to blame because seasoned professionals, all with advanced degrees, made conscious decisions to adapt their institution to the metrics of US News.

    These aren't 4 year olds. What happened to people taking responsibility for their own actions? It's no one's fault but theirs if they did something unethical.

  • Maybe there is more to this ...
  • Posted by Dave on June 4, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • A couple of years back, I taught as visiting professor at Clemson. I was only there for a year, but I can tell you that they sincerely emphasize teaching and the quality of the student experience. So explanation of class size changes, etc. by the administration may be accurate.

  • Amazed
  • Posted by amazed on June 4, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • "Don't blame or fault Clemson. Blame and fault US News and World Report."

    Ah yes, let's blame the *press* for this. It can't *possibly* be the *university's* fault -- I mean, they're just *powerless* (whimper, whimper). Those mean old magazine people made me do it (cry, sniffle). I didn't want to, but they were mean and I had no choice. You know how helpless I am, and when that big bad editor wrote to me, well, I was *so scared* I just didn't know what to do.

    What a bunch of crybabies.

  • Reputational Ranking
  • Posted by Rick on June 4, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • US News should poll employers instead of or in addition to academic institiutions to get a reputational score.

  • Manipulation
  • Posted on June 4, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • Most institutions already have a person in charge of development. Perhaps institutions should now create a person with a title such as Director of Manipulations, which if nothing else, would alleviate the unemployment situation.

  • Truth Will Out
  • Posted by Will , President at College Access Counseling, Ltd. on June 4, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • Good for Ms. Watts for speaking directly instead of glossing over what she's found. And if Clemson wants to clear itself of the charges (for that is what they are), it should show how its quality really has gone up independent of rankings, and should also reveal its answers to the USNWR survey for the last few years. If didn't do any of the things Watts says it did (like purposely downgrade other institutions) there should be no problem with the record as it stands. Otherwise...
    And shame on Clemson for having "being top 20" as a goal instead of as a side-effect to real upgrading. Not that it was such a bad place to begin with--what's up with that?

  • Posted by Likewise Amazed on June 4, 2009 at 2:00pm EDT
  • Did I read this right-- Clemson actually reduced class sizes, raised faculty salaries, has a 90% retention rate, a high graduation rate and someone is actually embarrassed about it? Does most of Clemson wish that were not the case?  

    Some disagreed with the way it was done...is that a bad thing to report?  So their administration chose to address things that mattered most in a ratings game...I suppose none of our institutions tend to address things that matter most to regional accreditation agencies....oh noooo! 

    So...higher administrators vote on the ratings and are biased. Note that the largest diploma mills like the Midwestern flagships produce the most administrators ..and faculty...all of whom have an interest in inflating the prestige of their own degrees by voting for their alma maters. Does anyone think that this doesn't constitute a conflict of interest or skew the ratings to favor the largest schools? 

    This seems like a tempest in a teapot--a good place to be other than having to work with spoiled administrators too busy taking bites from one another like piranhas to appreciate what they have.   

  • Just a matter of time
  • Posted by Patrick Mattimore , teacher at Retired on June 4, 2009 at 2:00pm EDT
  • I was hardly alone in questioning reliance on USN&WR as America's Michelin Quality Rating Service for Colleges but I thought things would hit the fan when the first graft case became public. Boy was I off....
    http://www.stanforddaily.com/cgi-bin/?p=1013497

  • Outrageous
  • Posted by John Smith , Student at N/A on June 4, 2009 at 2:00pm EDT
  • These accusations that Clemson has been doing improper things to further facilitate its goal to be a top 20 universtity are absolutely outrageous. President Barker made it a goal to become a top 20 university several years ago. These naysayers that are lashing out at the university are out of line and have not studied the facts thoroughly. Clemson will receive less than 20% of their total budget through state appropriations in the fall of 2009, just one fact disproving this ludacrious argument. Ask any Clemson student and they will tell you they are absolutely thrilled with the direction this university is headed. In fact, maybe more schools should have the motivation and drive to improve themselves the way Clemson is.

  • Posted by Clemson Alum on June 4, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • As a two-time graduate of Clemson, I can say that the Top 20 has been a priority for some time. My classmates and I used to joke about how adament the administration seemed regarding the goal, but always felt their hearts were in the right places. In response to "what's wrong" with how Clemson already was, I think the top 20 goal was always about overall improvment. If a university is not striving forward, they are likely falling behind. I can say with utmost confidence that Clemson is not falling behind. They have strived to improve the quality of life for South Carolinians through agricultural and medical research-based programs. They have actively recruited strong in-state candidates. Many alums are angry these days that their children haven't been admitted as legacies... well, unfortunately that happens when the university is able to attract a stronger student body. Yes, the demographics have changed, but only because the applicant pool is stronger.

    Clemson is at heart a land-grant ag school. It was started with the purpose of offering a decent education to local farmers. Had their been no change, I question whether or not Inside Higher Ed or the Chronicle would have bothered covering this story. Obviously, Clemson now gets noticed. Since it's founding in 1889, it has changed from a small, rural all-male military college to a large, well-known, co-ed research 1 university. Colleges change. They evolve. Sure, Clemson has had some growing pains, but I'm proud of my alma mater for the work they're doing. Frankly, I'm sure they'd rather be spending their time figuring out the dismal state budget they're receiving for next year than worrying about this subject.

  • Keep on cryin' people!
  • Posted by LP at Clemson on June 4, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • I am a proud employee who has seen the positive impact of Clemson's goals over the past 5 years (and not just the top 20 goal). If you were a business person, how would you make your business more profitable/better? You'd choose or create a target market (USNWR), find out what makes them tick (rankings), and develop a marketing plan to bring in your customers (new students). There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unethical about that. As a matter of fact, it is very ingenious to do just that. Creative Inquiry has been one of the best ideas that has been implemented in over 20 years. Students and faculty both gain so much from these types of activities - it's amazing, and should be practiced at all levels of secondary education.

  • Not Top 20 in spelling
  • Posted by Non Clemson grad on June 4, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • With all the misspellings in the Clemson grad letters above, I wonder if President Barker should devote more resources to their (or is it "there"?) English classes...Or maybe the letters were written by U South Carolina grads to knock the Tigers out of the rankings...

  • What about USN&WR?
  • Posted by Patrick Mattimore , Techer at Retired on June 4, 2009 at 6:00pm EDT
  • I'm surprised at how many people appear to be giving the whole idea of ranking universities by a news magazine a pass here. If we are stupid enough to allow USN&WR to dictate quality, why wouldn't universities game the system?

  • Posted by Clemson Alum on June 4, 2009 at 7:00pm EDT
  • Non Clemson grad, I'm so sorry to have offended you. I see I simply typed too fast. Heaven forbid anyone ever misspell anything on the internet. I work at a research 1 university, and you would be appalled at most of the emails my students send me. However, my manners usually prevent me from calling people out over trivial things. I beg your forgiveness.

  • Did she meet the ethical obligations of her role?
  • Posted by Concerned , Assessment professional at Big private U on June 4, 2009 at 8:30pm EDT
  • I wonder whether Ms. Watt followed appropriate professional ethical guidelines; namely, prior to this public airing of her accusations, did she raise her concerns internally? In writing? Is it appropriate or productive to make public accusations of this type against your institution and individual eaders without making a sincere effort to ensure that these same leaders were in fact aware of the deceptive practices she alleges? I don't presume to know the answers to these questions. For a professional code of conduct relevant to this situation, I would refer to:
    http://www.eval.org/Publications/GuidingPrinciples.asp

  • Positive Changes
  • Posted by Former Tiger , Residential Life on June 5, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • Clemson had already started discussing many of these changes when I was a student 12 years ago.

    I applaud them for their efforts, their continued drive towards serving a state where the legislature is less than stallar and their ability to assess student needs and work towards meeting them.

    It sounds like Ms. Watts wanted to air her dirty laundry in an effort to look good at her conference.

    Since leaving Clemson, I have worked for 3 other land grant institutions and seen adminstrators who slam other schools without thought or reason. They barely aknowledge their student population and instead focus only on bureaucracy, fundraising and athletics.

    I would return to Clemson in a heartbeat and hope to one day do so. Dedication to students is the reason for our jobs not a hinderance and Clemson should be congratulated for the changes President Barker has made. No apologies needed - for those who have seen the impact on Clemson's student body, the administrators have my full support.

  • Responding to Responding to Bevo
  • Posted by David Carlton on June 5, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • RtoB--"Personal responsibility" cuts several ways here. When you're an administrator, you're "responsible" for a lot of stuff--attracting students and resources, enhancing the perceived value of the degree, etc. When the welfare of your institution depends heavily on rankings that most people in academe regard as bogus, gaming the system can be an overwhelming temptation. I'm not sure that Bevo is justified in throwing the "blame" word around, but at the very least what we have here is a failure to align incentives with non-bogus measures of performance. And the root of that problem is the fact that a bogus measure of performance has become all-important. For that U. S. News can certainly take much of the "responsibility."

  • Clemson's not alone
  • Posted by Rick Hardy , former chief enrollment officer at small private university on June 5, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • If true, Clemson's approach to reporting statistics is not unique by any means. I'm not excusing their behavior, but statistics are massaged regularly before reporting to US News and other ranking services. It's how the questions are asked, and the lack of critical thinking behind the rankings. 

    Sometimes the massaging is ethical and sometimes not. I've read of the alumni giving rate (fundraising) being massaged by giving seniors a dollar for them to give back to the university.  I wouldn't count that action as having integrity. Other institutions count alumni married couples' gifts as two alumni gifts, not one. I'd consider that a true reflection of reality. US News and other publishers don't dictate strict definitions in all categories. The examples could go on. It seems to happen everywhere. 

    I've been a part of the decision making process on some of these reporting issues, and I've discussed this overall problem with many colleagues nationwide. The underlying reasoning on some of the criteria is faulty. Actually, the underlying belief that these rankings actually reflect reality is faulty. But the fact remains that these rankings do affect college choice for some families, and how much money will be given by alumni and donors...and that of course, unfortunately, affects decision-making at many universities.

  • Clemson University
  • Posted by Catherine E. Watt, Ph.D. on June 5, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • I was dismayed to find my comments at an academic meeting taken largely out of context in a recent article (June 3, 2009). I gave a 45 minute talk on a successful strategic planning effort at Clemson University that has greatly benefited our students. The reporter chose to focus on a small aspect of the presentation rather than the whole picture presented.

     

    Clemson students have always excelled in graduation rates and alumni support. The strategic efforts to decrease class size and increase full-time faculty have only built upon an already excellent experience for our students. Again, it was upsetting to have those parts of the discussion omitted.

     

    The reporter also focused on my discussion of the reputation survey. A recent study by Penn State reinforced the constancy of the reputation score, and my reference to that study was omitted. I have never studied over time the way multiple Clemson officials rate other schools and cannot judge the decisions that they make on reputations of other institutions. My reference is to the questionable validity of the survey as a tool when research consistently points to reputational stability.

     

    My comments were presented to a small audience of institutional researchers to expand the discussion of rankings past simple data to a strategic planning and evaluation perspective. I regret comments made about “illegal, unethical or very interesting,” when my intent was to convey the challenges we all face in higher education about managing data. We in the education community must be aware of where the challenges lie, and also be able to talk about them.

    I recognize that it is easy to sensationalize the rankings. It is one thing on which we all have an opinion. However, the context of presenting a difficult subject, the context of the importance of strategic planning, and the positive outcomes at one institution could have been more carefully presented. Those of us who study higher education should not be afraid to talk about our challenges and different philosophies.

  • Read the Presentation
  • Posted on June 5, 2009 at 1:00pm EDT
  • The first links show the presentation. It's obvious which comment writers looked at it and which ones did not. 

    If you have good leaders that have support and confidence of the university community, "top-down" isn't always bad if there is already an established trust and alignment of interests. 

    "Top down" is bad when the "top" is a bunch of narcissists who barricade themselves into an administrative castle and convince themselves they know best. The latter talk about raising their ratings and becoming the "Harvard of the Midwest" or "the MIT of Idaho." The faculty are disrespected, and morale is in the toilet. They have an attrition problem all right-- not only with students, but also with capable faculty and competent administrators leaving for greener pastures because they can. Such leaders can't pull anything off that remotely resembles the Clemson presented in Watts' slide set.  

    Every rating tool can be scammed, even the best. I left a university that cherry-picked a very student-centered program unrepresentative of the university to generate its NSSE profile. The same cherry picking of students can affect CLA or any survey or test.  All institutions pander to accreditation reviews or ratings of some sort and try to optimize their scores. The adage that students will perform in accord with how they are evaluated rings true for college administrators, who are largely older students who never achieved an ability to break from such conditioning. 

    After reading Watts slides, I found her presentation balanced and honest. To be sure, Clemson came away looking good in its substance behind the image-building. The tragedy is that most presentations on such topics gloss over the "optimizations" that occur on their own campuses, and such infommercials are a waste of time to attend. We've all sat through dozens of the mindless adminibabble deliveries that don't really allow a look at pluses and minuses of a process. As a result, no mindful reflection on a larger scale of how ratings and "winning" come with negatives and a darker side--even at good places--can occur. 

    The lead line of the IHE article shows a conditioned response to worrying what the bosses would think, when it should have stimulated discussions about going back to the home campus and taking a second look at just what might be happening there. "This just doesn't happen at our fine campus"  is mostly delusional. Good for Watts in breaking with such mass delusion! Hers might be the only presentation at that conference attendants will remember.

  • The curtain pulled back...
  • Posted by Admissions Officer at Public University in CA on June 5, 2009 at 9:00pm EDT
  • Aside from the sheer scale of Clemson's efforts to affect their ranking, the most shocking thing about this situation is the fact that this is now all out in the open.

    The truth? Parents and college-bound students put a lot of stock in USNWR rankings. And what possible motivation would USNWR have to change a process that works for them to produce a highly sought after product. Last time I checked, they're a business, not a public service. The rankings build their brand and makes them money.

    The result? Whether or not they choose to acknowledge it, colleges know the weight that USNWR rankings carry. They want their rankings to go up. Who among us working for institutions of higher education aren't edified when our school goes up a notch, regardless of whether or not we think the ranking system is valid? Whether or not we like it, we know a higher ranking adds to our school's prestige. After all, we're all interested in building our brands too.

    I'm sure the truth will out regarding how, why, and what data Clemson sent to USNWR. The story is out now, and it's too big to ignore. If something unethical took place, I'm sure we'll hear about it. More significantly, this may lead to more transparency among colleges regarding how they regard USNWR rankings and how they generate the data they send in. But truthfully, even if we don't like their motives, it sounds like Clemson's changes may have resulted in improving their students' educational experience.

  • Watt's response
  • Posted by From a distance on June 6, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • Not buying Watt's defense that her remarks were taken out of context. If she had limited her comments to the presentation as posted on IHE, there wouldn't have been a news story. The news was that she stood up in a public forum and accused the leadership of her university of "illegal, immoral . . ." , or, at the least, sleazy behavior. What about academic support for such claims? I didn't see it in the presentation. The best she could do was to offer a verbal example (undocumented) about salary inflation -- only to be corrected by the guy from US News, who had to explain to her that including benefits was the correct way to report salary info! So much for her credibility. The article said she is a former IR official at Clemson -- Since she didn't even know the basic salary-reporting guidelines, one wonders if in her former position she incorrectly reported Clemson data, thereby resulting in lower USN rankings than the school actually deserved. Given the very personal nature of her indictment of Clemson leaders for which she offered no documentation, I wonder how she can go back to her institution, look the president in the eye, and claim she made those statements in the interest of pure academic pursuit.