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June 19, 2009

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Controversy over a sexual assault at the University of the Pacific has moved from the campus to a national student affairs organization in the blink of an eye. A letter signed by 13 rape prevention and health professionals across the country calls for NASPA: Student Affairs Administrators in Higher Education to reassess its recent choice to be president-elect, Elizabeth Griego, who is also vice president for student affairs at Pacific, because they believe she was irresponsible in handling the allegations about the assault.

Last spring, Pacific received a report that a student, identified only as Jane Doe, had been raped by three male basketball players. A similar case had been reported just a month earlier, but no students had been tried in the case. The university's Judicial Review Board determined that the students had violated the Student Code of Conduct; one student was expelled and the other two suspended.

Unsatisfied with the verdict -- instead hoping that the other two students would be expelled as well -- Doe chose to leave Pacific and file a lawsuit in March. Now, health professionals are demanding in a letter circulating through NASPA's leadership team, its member listservs, and even Facebook, that the organization reconsider letting Griego take charge of the group.

"It's just really horrid," said John Foubert, an associate professor and program coordinator of the College Student Development Master's Degree Program at Oklahoma State University, and the leader of the team who put together the letter. "There is sufficient concern based on what the university is willing to admit that NASPA needs to look very seriously at whether they want her to be their president. This is a year when they are taking initiatives on issues of violence and it's a legitimate issue."

Griego disputed the claims in another letter addressed to all members of NASPA, saying, "Many unfounded and fabricated allegations in the lawsuit have been reported as fact in the media and online, resulting in vicious attacks on the university, my colleagues and me."

She wrote that the lawsuit filed against the university came 10 months after the victim's family praised the Judicial Board's decision in the case. She also asserts that the victim refused to cooperate with an investigation into the incident, leading the university to contact the police.

Foubert's letter -- which summarizes a complaint filed against Pacific by the assault victim -- alleges that Griego was not sensitive enough to the victim. One complaint charges that Griego told the victim while she was waiting for a verdict from the Judicial Board on the status of the accused rapists that there were "multiple truths" to the case. A university complaint filed on March 18 corroborates this.

Foubert's letter adds that Griego told the victim while the case was pending that the three alleged rapists were "victims as well."

"This is in the context of the woman asking why the verdict was taking so long to be passed down while she was waiting for the campus judicial board. [Griego] was not adjudicating the case, she was there to provide information," Foubert said. "One of the cardinal rules of dealing with a rape case is to not tell the victim 'I don't believe you.' When you say there are really multiple truths to the case because the people charged with gang rape say they didn't do it, that is re-traumatizing to a survivor, that is egregious."

The letter continues that in a correspondence between Griego and Doe, Griego "stated that she believed the perpetrators weren't aware that 'Jane Doe' did not consent and that they were very popular men on campus and did not need to force anyone to have sex with them." Griego denied the truthfulness of this statement in her response letter to NASPA.

Kaaryn Sanon, senior director of marketing and communications for NASPA, said that leaders of the organization have received the letter and discussed it extensively. She would not divulge what had been said because of the confidentiality of ongoing litigation issues. However, she said that NASPA has not received any calls or complaints asking that Griego be removed.

"In looking back at the letter, it doesn't call on NAPSA to take any particular action," Sanon said. "We have not gotten any requests for anything to be done as to removing her status as president-elect. We are aware of the situation and taking [our members] into consideration, but we he have not been asked to take any actions. All we are seeing is what's out on the Web."

She did not know whether NASPA's bylaws would allow it revoke the officership of an elected president.

Pacific President Don DeRosa, in a letter addressed to NASPA Executive Director Gwen Dungy, asserted that the allegations against the university are not warranted.

"It is important to remember that allegations in lawsuits must always be viewed just as that -- allegations made by one party against another," DeRosa wrote. "It must also be noted that lawsuits, like this one, are financially motivated. Therefore, what was quoted in yesterday's letter from Jane Doe's lawsuit and represented as the truth are simply unsubstantiated allegations."

He went on to note that, "Dr. Griego has my full confidence and support, as well as that of the University."

A Facebook group is also raising questions about Pacific's treatment of rape victims. This criticism comes out of a comment by a university spokesman differentiating between "outright rape" and "date rape." He said that Doe was not in fact a victim of outright rape. The group was titled "Memo to University of Pacific: Date Rape IS outright rape," and on Thursday night, it had attracted 388 members.

"University relations speak for the entire university, so that statement had to be based on someone's input," Foubert said. "Whose input went into that statement? Who was around when that statement was made? Who thinks that it wasn't outright rape? The person who was in charge of that is the vice president for student life."

The spokesman who made the statement in question retracted it, saying that in fact date rape is considered outright rape, but that he meant to say there was no threat of an unknown stranger rapist on campus. The Stockton Record wrote an editorial condemning the mangled speech and hinting that it was indicative of larger issues at the university.

According to Steven McAllister, one of the signers of the letter and a health educator at the New School University, cases like Pacific more often gain national attention when the college is accused of mistreatment.

"While we often hear about universities mishandling their response to incidents of sexual assault, there are universities out there that get it right," McAllister stated in an e-mail. "I think colleges and universities need to communicate more about best practices, and come to some kind of consensus about how to best help survivors and educate our students."

Since the lawsuit against Pacific went public, the university has attempted to do damage control by creating a Web site with facts about the case and repeatedly claiming that it has not done anything wrong. A March 20 press release regarding the lawsuit explained: "other important inaccuracies will be brought to the attention of the Court by the University’s attorneys. These inaccuracies include many quotes attributed to Vice President for Student Life Elizabeth Griego and that there were seven rapes in one year."

However, the university's denial of Doe's statements are too often imbued with a condescending tone, McAllister said.

"It is not uncommon for parties to a lawsuit to disagree about the facts," he said. "While I expect the university to deny allegations that they treated 'Jane Doe poorly, the victim-blaming tone of their response is troublesome, and unfortunately not uncommon in sexual assault cases."

Foubert, an author who has long been outspoken on issues of rape prevention, says he has for years attempted to shine the spotlight on rape victims who have been mistreated. Though he doesn't know what effect his letter will eventually have, he notes that, "either way, I think [NASPA] will be better informed about the case and make their own decisions."

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Comments on A Rape Case That's Not Going Away

  • The real outrage
  • Posted by Disgusted on June 19, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • The only thing outrageous in this case is that Student Affairs bureaucrats think they're qualified to not only investigate but to act as judge and jury for serious crimes. What's next? Will one of these college camp counselors hold a kangaroo court for a campus murder?

    For over a decade it's been clear that these people are too incompetent to get fundamental legal issues like free speech correct. And now they're criminal trial judges? That's the outrage.

  • Posted by Laura on June 19, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • This is the kind of thing that has led to the due process rules we have in the court system. I don't understand why rape didn't get referred to the judicial system, i.e., the police called, instead of being handled within the school. Expulsion for rape, really? Why not prison?

  • Rape allegations at University of the Pacific
  • Posted by Lawman on June 19, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • Let's all remember that the accused have rights too, including the right to be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. Thus far, no one has been found guilty of anything in a court of law. Frankly, I find it curious that there is nothing in the story about anyone even being indicted. Indeed, the legal standard is so low that one wag once commented that even a ham sandwich could be indicted by a grand jury!

  • One explanation
  • Posted by A Dean on June 19, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • Virtually all colleges and universities apply a much lower standard of proof in campus judiciary proceedings than that applied in a criminal court. For example, a criminal conviction for rape requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, whereas most schools can convict for a violation of their conduct code on simply a preponderance of the evidence (i.e., slightly more likely than not). For this reason, many students who wish to pursue a claim of date rape find school judicial proceedings a better option than criminal court, absent the presence of strong physical evidence. Public and private schools also face different due process requirements for such proceedings, with the latter having more leeway in how they choose to structure their judicial proceedings (since they do not face the prospect of a denial of due process claim arising under the federal constitution). Lastly, it has been my experience the vast majority of student affairs professionals work hard to be sensitive to students raising claims of date rape, while also being mindful of their duty to be fair to both the accuser and the accused in any statements made or processes being followed.

  • Posted by MeToo on June 19, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • Not a single mention of law enforcement involvement? This raises a few questions. First of all, the accuser: Why is she taking this matter to civil court instead of the police? Preponderance of evidence = payday.

    Second, what makes college & university officials believe that their policies and "administrative" procedures supersede the law? Regardless of any campus sanction that may potentially apply, there still remains the matter of an uninvestigated (and unadjudicated) criminal allegation.

    Shame on Pacific for allowing these kinds of charades to persist.

  • The victim chooses their course
  • Posted on June 19, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • The rape victim chooses their course of action. They may choose to report the crime to campus authorities that then pursue the case in an educational format. Colleges and universities are institutes of learning and the process is done in an educational format. Just because a rape victim pursues the case on campus does not mean they give up their right to a criminal case. They can pursue that as well. However, if they choose NOT to report the case on campus and go through the campus judicial procedure they may be confronted with this person on a daily basis (in class, the gym, cafeteria, etc.) while they wait on a criminal trial.

  • Clarification
  • Posted by Steve McAllister on June 19, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • I am one of the signers of the letter to NASPA discussed in this article. If you asked all thirteen individuals why they signed, I'm sure you would get a wide range of answers. I would like to clarify my reason for signing the letter. I have been a sexual violence prevention educator and survivor advocate for ten years. The allegations made by the former UOP student, as well as material that the University chose to include in its response to the complaint, caused me great concern. My hope was that this article would spark a larger discussion about how sexual assault is addressed on campuses across our country. I believe this is an opportunity to bring universities that have best practices to the forefront of this issue, and encourage all universities to follow their lead.

    I was asked whether it was common for universities to mistreat sexual assault survivors. I did not, in any way, indicate that it was common for student affairs professionals to mistreat survivors of sexual assault. What I did say was that we hear about mishandling of cases more often than we hear about universities getting it right. This is not because they get it wrong more than they get it right. It is because the story is more sensational when the media smells misconduct on the side of the university. Where's the controversy when a university has good policies and procedures, follows them appropriately, and reaches a satisfactory conclusion? There is none, and unfortunately, that doesn't attract too many reporters.

    The letter I signed did not call for anyone's resignation. It didn't demand that NASPA revoke the appointment of the president-elect. The letter I signed was a statement of concern about an incident that occurred on a college campus, and a request that members of one of our most influential professional associations review the available information, and decide on how to address sexual assault in general.

  • Why not just let police handle it?
  • Posted by Brett Sokolow , Higher Education Attorney at NCHERM on June 19, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • Colleges and universities are legally required by Title IX to remedy sexual assaults, as gender-based discrimination. Simply referring the matter to police is not suffient for a college or university to satisfy its legal duty.

    --Brett A. Sokolow, Esq. www.ncherm.org

  • Rape case not going away
  • Posted by Boots on the ground on June 19, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • The ancient (and it is) line about indicting a ham sandwich can be construed as meaning that at the grand jury level, the burden of proof on the prosecution is extremely light. Things change at the trial court level. California may use a preliminary exam system. Regardless, it is not unusual for a victim to pursue remedies through the university judicial affairs system rather than through the criminal justice system. It remains the decision of the victim. Finally, these are not student affairs practitioners conducting the hearings--they are conduct officers. They have an association much like NASPA and in my experience most of these folks are very dedicated to "getting it right".

  • Both/and
  • Posted by Bob on June 19, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • Student conduct processes aren't meant to replace the options available to survivors through the court system. I work in a student conduct office. When students disclose to us that they've been sexually assaulted, we help connect them with people who can speak more knowledgeably about what's available through the courts. We'll also explain our process and the range of sanctions. Our process is complaint-driven, so it's their decision as to whether they choose to file a complaint with us. Whether the incident involves identity theft, vandalism, sexual assault or other acts of violence, students targeted by these actions often pursue the matter through both the campus conduct process and the legal system. Campus conduct processes exist to provide students facing allegations of misconduct with a fair process in which they may respond.

    The Pacific case aside, conduct processes are just as vulnerable as any other human activity to practitioner errors in judgment. A casual review of any issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education provides ample evidence that incidences of incompetence in higher education are hardly limited to student affairs staff.

  • Cases reported to police are not always adjudicated
  • Posted at Powerful Purpose Leadership on June 19, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • Keep in mind that just because an alleged sexual assault is reported to police doesn't mean that the prosecutor will accept the case. Date rape cases are very hard to prove at the reasonable doubt standard. That is why institutions have processes to suspend/expel students found responsible of violating the institution's Code of Conduct.

  • Why have these constant headaches
  • Posted by Libertarian on June 19, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • Why would colleges want to have these headaches? Abolish college sports. If groups of students (with local non-students included, perhaps) play in their non-college clubs, they still do sports yet colleges are safe from liability.

  • Vice President Griego is Accused of Telling the Truth.
  • Posted by Retro on June 19, 2009 at 11:30am EDT
  • A theme of these complaints seems to be that Vice President Griego is alleged to have had the temerity to be truthful; and, in so doing, to have used expressions regarded by Foubert and his ilk as verboten -- politically incorrect, if you will.

    OMG, Vice President Griego may have said to the complainant [Yes, "complainant" not "victim" or "survivor".] that there were "multiple truths" to the case. What is it about that statement that is so terrible? It is that the statement is true; and that it does not follow the "rules" of expression demanded by Foubert and his ilk!

    Vice President Griego is also under fire for telling the complainant, while the case was pending, "that the three [alleged] rapists were 'victims as well.'" What is it about that statement that is egregious? It is that
    Vice President Griego told the truth, and that she did not follow the "rules" of expression set down by Foubert and his ilk!

    Foubert asserts that "[o]ne of the cardinal rules of dealing with a [alleged] rape case is not to tell the victim 'I don't believe you'." He goes on to allege that when you say there are really multiple truths to the case because the people charged with gang rape say they didn't do it, that that is re-traumatizing to a survivor. Thus, Dr. Griego is accused of using words with which Foubert and his ilk disagree. Vice President Griego is not accused of saying "I don't believe you" to anyone; she did not "re-traumatize" anyone; and she should not be taken to task for failing to follow the "rules" of expression set down by Foubert and his ilk!

    Let me conclude my heretical comments by suggesting that the academy should cease to be a party to the forum shopping engaged in by complainants and their advisors. The academy should no longer be seen as a forum for determining whether an accused student has committed "rape." That is the function of the criminal justice system. If you believe that the academy must protect its members from those who are accused of harming another and who may do so again, then let the charges be clearly stated as such, and let the academy engage in that limited undertaking.

  • Keep in mind
  • Posted by Matt on June 19, 2009 at 1:00pm EDT
  • The victim in this case did not want this matter pursued in the justice system. Pacific handled this case to protect one of its students, as universities across the nation do every day. Pacific was doing the right thing and the sanctions given to these students were probably "right." Foubert fails to mention this. The comments made by Pacific officials were not made using the best language possible. However, most people have done this at some point in their life.

    Also, remember that lawsuits are completely one-sided and biased. Very few of any of this groups claims come from the University. It seems like an awfully biased argument. I wholeheartedly respect this group's desire to help sexual assault victims and to help end sexual assault on our campuses, but they need to continue to make their message more balanced so it conveys the full truth.

    Lastly, is publicity like this really what the victim wants? Does she want her case plastered all over the country? Maybe she does, but my work with sexual assault victims has been that they generally want the disgusting perpetrators held responsible for their acts, but they don't want what happened plastered all over the news. Are stories and letters and blog posts really what is best for the victim in this case?

  • People really should realize that they don't have all the facts!
  • Posted by A Pacific Student , Student at University of the Pacific on June 19, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • As a student at University of the Pacific and someone who knows the parties involved in this case I would like to let you all know that you do NOT have all the facts in this case. There are so many false allegations in this case that it is not even funny. I am disgusted and appalled by the statements that are being made in regards to Dr. Elizabeth Griego.

    Dr. Griego is nothing less than an absolutely amazing woman. She truly supports ALL Pacific Students and does a fantastic job serving as our Vice President. Anyone who has ever met this woman knows that she is truly a compassionate and amazing woman. Dr. Griego would never make statements like the ones the victim in this case is alleging. The number of false statements and allegations that are being made is appalling.

    As a Pacific Student and someone who believes in this institution and what it stands for I stand behind Dr. Griego 100%.

  • The Character of Pacific
  • Posted by A Pacific Alum , Former Student/Staff Member on June 19, 2009 at 2:30pm EDT
  • It seems there are many people concerned about this case. From students of the University to Professionals and Scholars around the world. While I do not mean to criticize what each professional, or scholar seems to know from research, I do pose that in many cases the assertions they are making about the University, the University Process, and Dr. Griego are based on what the popular media is portraying. Unfortunately, as mentioned by a previous commenter, that is not the complete truth. I was a student/staff member at the University during the sexual assaults as well during the aftermath of the Judicial Hearing board and I can say with utmost confidence that the University Process was unbiased, and consistent with it's stated purpose, process, and proceedings.

    A few concerned [scholars or professionals] suggest the University should have forwarded this issue/case onto criminal courts and the authorities. I can attest that the University did contact the Police and proper authorities about this matter, however, Jane Doe did not want to cooperatve with a criminal investigation. Knowing this University Officials acted appropriately by adjudicating the case through the University Judicial System with the purpose to act in the best interest of all parties involved. I clarify my point by stating, acting in the best interest of the students alleged of the assault does mean putting them through the Judicial Process and holding them accountable to any and all actions they have committed, and through this process the intention of the University is to encourage the victim to feel that a form of justice is done [through the university process and outcome], and that [she] may begin to move forward from this.

    With that, the University acted in allignment with the Principles of Good Practice within Student Affairs set by NASPA in that their actions showed committment to justice, honesty, equality, civility, freedom, dignity, and responsible citizenship. (NASPA, Principles of Good Practice for Student Affairs, 1998).

    In addition, I would like to comment on the remarks and slander that has been made about Dr. Griego. I was able to work with Dr. Griego and learn from her about good practices in Student Affairs, and I wish to say that Dr. Griego is of Good Ethical Character. She acts always on the behalf of the Students of the University. The statements about her character, I believe are only made from what people have read in the news articles, and that not many of those who have chose to pretty much defame her have actually worked with her or who have had the privilege to learn from her.

    In closing I wish to highlight an earlier point made about the victim, and her needs/wants regarding this case. Is it the case where she wants all this publicity, or is it a few spokespeople about this issue of sexual assault bringing this case to national level making it worse for her. Adding to that regarding these spokespeople about sexual assault asserting their titles and professional experieince with this area, again, I do not discredit their knowledge; However I do pose the question, does the actions, remarks, comments of these individuals including Foubert reflect good Professional and Ethical Standards regarding Student Affairs Practice and conduct, and does this letter truely work for the betterment of the University system, or is it merely an attempt to gain national publicity at the cost of a University, and its leaders?

  • What is Foubert up to?
  • Posted by reader on June 19, 2009 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Steve McAllister's clarification is insightful in highlighting the backhanded way John Foubert is going about collecting "support." The article says the facebook group has 388 members - but that doesn't mean they all support the attack on Pacific. Several of the comments indicated that people joined the group to correct misinformation.

    I'd also point out that the only public sources I've read disparaging the conduct of the woman involved are those being pushed by Foubert. So is he supporting her or is he out to get her and others who report sexual assault?

  • Community Standards
  • Posted by Charlene , Leadership Coach on June 19, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • The Pacific Rape Case has gone viral. Put it up there with Keyboard Cat and other Internet memes that have people saying OMG! This case, like many others has become fodder for blogs and social networking sites (all of which have 24 hours a day to fill with content). The difference between a rape case and an Internet phenomenon is obvious. Though the similarity is that for those uninvolved in the case, this is just another form of entertainment. Or worse, some have seen this as an opportunity to gain notoriety.

    For those of us in the profession, this is not entertainment. This is our life’s work. We believe in supporting students and one another to provide quality educational experiences. We are in the service society itself.

    Of course, NASPA and other associations would want to fully investigate the professionals involved with handling this case. As we engage with one another throughout our days, this case will come up, just as we have talked about every other tragedy that has influenced our students and institutions. However, let us use the same discernment and critical thinking skills we ask of ourselves as we design curriculum and administer programs. Let us keep the “he said, she said” among our young students and hold each other to a higher standard of communication.

    The words being attributed to Elizabeth Greigo simply do not make sense. As a former WASC team member who has dedicated her career to students and the profession of improving student services on a national level, I find it impossible to believe the words that are being attributed to her. Having worked with Elizabeth, I know that she is truly a professional who weighs her words and thinks before she speaks. Anyone who has interacted with her has observed the careful manner of her speech and movements.

    The rape case will be handled in the courts. The matter of defamation of character and the degradation of our own professional standards is another story. In the meantime, people will continue to form opinions, speak such things as statements of assertion and spread accusations across the globe with a click of a button. It is my hope that the professionals witnessing this case would be mindful and compassionate as they watch this scene unfold. And, I might add, be warned that your institution is not immune to controversy. Should you find yourself a leader of both a school and a reputable association, you too, are likely to be misquoted and defamed.

  • Disappointing x2
  • Posted by 2PEEZ on June 19, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • I am especially disappointed that Inside Higher Ed has provided Mr. Foubert and his followers with an opportunity to continue propagating allegations about an active legal case. Also, I was equally disappointed to find out that Dr. Foubert is both an active NASPA member and a current faculty member at Oklahoma State. Shame on him. Good grief, haven't we all learned that rushing to judgment without all the relevant details is both irresponsible as professionals and harmful to those involved in the incident? 

    It might be helpful for anyone interested to consider NASPA's Standards of Professional Practice. They were developed for a reason.

    NASPA Standard #6 says that, "Members respect and acknowledge all lawful authority. Members refrain from conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation or unlawful discrimination. NASPA recognizes that legal issues are often ambiguous, and members should seek the advice of counsel as appropriate. Members demonstrate concern for the legal, social codes and moral expectations of communities in which they live and work even when the dictates of one's conscience may require behavior as a private citizen which is not in keeping with these codes/expectations."

  • Who is paying Mr. Foubert's tab?
  • Posted by HeadOfTheClass on June 19, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • Seriously...what is his connection to this legal case?

  • Another Clarification
  • Posted by Steve McAllister on June 19, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • To be clear -- I was not misled by John Foubert into signing this letter. I fully support what the letter is asking the members of NASPA to consider.

    My comment was to clarify my position on the issue of sexual assault on college campuses in general, and clear up any misconceptions that the context of my comments may have caused as a result of the reporter's interpretation of my remarks.

  • consider all the facts
  • Posted by Molly Sims, EdD at UCSF on June 19, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • I find this article and some of the ensuing comments to be quite troubling. The comments point out what the article irresponsibly failed to mention: that the case was being handled not by the judicial system, but by the campus. A reading of the University of the Pacific’s response to the allegations (found in the University’s March 30 statement at http://web.pacific.edu/x30279.xml) clearly states that “The University promptly issued a campus-wide advisory and also notified Stockton Police,” as they are obligated to do by law. HOWEVER, “Ms. Doe declined to file a report with police.”

     

    In the face of the victim choosing to not pursue criminal charges against the accused rapists, the University initiated its own investigation. When the accused rapists were unsatisfied with the outcome of the investigation, a second investigation was completed that upheld the outcome of the first, and the accused rapists were punished.

     

    Comments from Foubert and McAllister are incindiary; victim advocates they may be, but they are fomenting hysteria with their specious allegations (I'm referring here to the subjective interpretation that the university's comments blame the victim).

     

    Rape is a terrible thing, but people are reacting without looking at all sides of the story. Condemning the University without knowing the facts—or worse, knowing the facts but deliberately ignoring them—is unfair, unbalanced, and mendacious. The University took adequate steps to ensure judicious handling of the incident. The ensuing clamor (particularly the biased letter to NASPA regarding Dr. Griego) has taken no such conscientious stance, but instead represents an uninformed, unbalanced, and irresponsible attack.

     

    I have known Dr. Griego for many years, and have never known such a conscientious, thoughtful and professional student advocate. The NASPA organization and its members deserve a responsible, intelligent, dedicated and conscientious leader, and they have that in Dr. Griego.

     

    Molly Sims, EdD

  • Please Read
  • Posted by Really... , Student Affairs at UC on June 19, 2009 at 9:00pm EDT
  • Foubert seems to have created every part of this controversy. He created the facebook group, the NASPA letter and this story. After reading the stories, we know that Foubert has been in touch with Jane Doe and her attorney. Is he a paid strategist? Is this not a conflict from the get go? Does this not raise questions about the real intentions of this controversy?
    As some of the comments have said, I hope we are able to read all of the credible facts surrounding this controversy and ultimately see the truth.

  • Posted by Monika Perrine on June 19, 2009 at 9:00pm EDT
  • I am one of the 13 who chose to sign the letter drafted by Dr. Foubert. It is my understanding that this letter was not ever meant to mislead anyone. I believe the true purpose was to present information, and raise awareness about the obvious deficits in the manner in which this situation has been handled. If nothing else, hopefully this situation can serve as an opportunity to provide education, and raise awareness about these issues, and the way they are handled in a University setting. Steve McAllister mentioned that every individual who signed this letter had their own reasons for offering their support, and I believe he would be 100% accurate with that statement. Personally, I found this information to be highly disturbing. Are we forgetting to look to the fact that there were preceding circumstances which could/should have indicated that these men were dangerous? Second, to condemn "Jane Doe," or any victim for that matter, based upon their behavior leading up to an assault is appalling. Questioning the character of this victim does nothing more than discourage other victims from coming forward, and somehow excuse, or justify the behavior of the true criminal; the rapist. By allowing these actions to continue, and by the choice of UOP to handle this situation in the way they have, a very strong message is being sent. This message, whether intentional or not, negates the fact that rape, of any kind, is never acceptable, it is never the fault of the victim, and it is always a crime. I hope that at the very least, we can all become more educated in hopes of putting an end to this horrific crime, and the pattern of questioning the victim before the perpetrator. While I can respect the opinions of all, I truly believe that UOP dropped the ball, and it is time for the needs and safety of the victim/s to come first.

  • date rape
  • Posted by Kathy Hayward on June 19, 2009 at 9:00pm EDT
  • Rape is Rape!!! No means no!!!! I though we had come further than this. There is no excuse for such behavior and it cannot be pushed aside as if nothing is wrong. We must learn from this that alcohol is still being used to weaken the resolve of young women and it is still being used as an excuse by young men that it is okay to take advantage of someone who has had too much to drink. Women beware and be careful!!

  • fair and balanced?
  • Posted by Heather Thomson , Director of Development at Cazadero Performing Arts Camp on June 19, 2009 at 9:00pm EDT
  • I feel compelled to write because the portrayal of Elizabeth Griego in this article does not square with my experience of her. I worked for Elizabeth years ago, and have since become her friend. Here’s why: I find her to be a woman of great integrity, warmth, and character. In addition, professionally, she is exceptionally competent and fair minded. She’s one of those university administrators and student advocates who is in it for all the right reasons – to help students learn, grow, and reach their highest aspirations. I don't think anyone who knows her well would argue this point.

    Great controversy has arisen recently over the handling by UOP of a difficult case of sexual assault. I can't speak to the details of the case, but I can tell you in all my professional interactions with Elizabeth Griego she conducted herself with great thoroughness, care and integrity. I can't imagine she would treat this incident in any other way.

    Much of the current controversy seems to have been generated by allegations that are being treated as fact - and it's unclear to me whether Mr. Foubert or Mr. McAllister are fully aware of what is fact and what is allegation in this case.

    Elizabeth Griego is someone who has over the years earned my great respect and admiration, for her personal integrity and professional conduct. I am confident that the facts of this case, once fully known, will confirm this.

  • Stop the Slander, Consider the Facts
  • Posted by Laurie , Dean of Student Life on June 20, 2009 at 5:45am EDT
  • The defaming and slander of the character of VPSA Elizabeth Griego is completely out of line. Anyone who knows her, as I do, knows that she is completely dedicated to enriching the experience of students and would never do or say the outrageous things she has been accused of. She is an outstanding leader in the world of student affairs and has been a role model and mentor to many in the profession over the years.

     

    As someone who has worked with students in colleges for over 25 years and who, like Dr. Griego strives to serve and support students every day, I urge you to look at the facts that have been presented and not at the unproven allegations that are being spread in this case. It has been clearly stated that Jane Doe declined to cooperate with the police and so the university filed the police report and proceeded with an internal investigation. Jane Doe has now decided to pursue a legal course of action. This is what our court system is for and we should all reserve judgment until all parties have had their opportunity to be heard and the court has rendered a decision.

     

     

  • Civil Discourse
  • Posted by Julie Allison , Director, Office of Violence Response and Prevention at Pittsburg State University on June 20, 2009 at 5:45am EDT
  • I am one who endorsed and signed the letter that was sent to NASPA. I would urge all of those who are concerned about the issue of responding to allegations of rape on college campuses to focus on the issues that were highlighted as primary concerns in the letter. The letter made no personal attacks. The letter ultimately encouraged individuals to learn more about the case and take whatever actions that were deemed appropriate.

    I believe this is an opportunity for all of us to become educated, as well as to educate others about the myths that remain prevalent (still today) regarding the crime of rape. Perhaps a fruitful conversation about the obstacles that higher education institutions face when dealing with allegations of rape (and other crimes as well) could evolve. Some of these obstacles are inherent within the adjudication process of higher education institutions, which are bound by procedural rules dictated by law. Other obstacles, however, are more easily overcome.

    The statements professed by the University of Pacific in response to the lawsuit are unnecessary (and the most remediable) obstacles to providing a safe environment for college students. To suggest that the behavior of one who is the target of a rapist (or of rapists) is in any way causally connected to the crime of a rapist is not only absurd, but serves to trivialize the actions of those who commit rape. Rape is an intentional act of violence. Alcohol is the number one predatory drug used by rapists to accomplish their crime. Most rapists are serial rapists, and will repeat their crimes.

    Perhaps the intentions behind the statements made by some at UOP are less important than the potential effects: The statements professed by UOP could serve to undermine student safety on college campuses in a permeating fashion.

  • Some Additional Points
  • Posted by John D. Foubert, Ph.D. , Author at The Men's Program: A Peer Education Guide to Rape Prevention on June 20, 2009 at 6:15am EDT
  • In response to several comments: 1) Brett Sokolow is absolutely correct, Universities have reasons independent from courts to adjudicate cases of sexual assault and are obligated to do so. Oddly enough, they often handle cases more sensitively than the court system. 2) The intent of the 13 of us who signed a letter to NASPA and released it publicly was to raise awareness of this case and open the actions of adminstrators from the University of the Pacific to public scrutiny. Such transparency can help bring change when change may be needed.

    3) An individual can have a reputation from some of her peers as someone who is worthy of respect and admiration and still have done everything that Dr. Griego is accused of in the lawsuit against the University of the Pacific. I know several student affairs administrators, including Vice Presidents, who have stellar reputations with their peers and have done things equivalent to what Dr. Griego is accused of doing. 4) NOBODY, including Dr. Griego, has all of the facts of this case at their disposal. Many people are talking about it. The 13 of us who signed the letter expressing our concern quote from the legal case against the University of the Pacific and the response from the University of the Pacific and ask that people read the cases for themselves.

    5) I am not, have not, and will not receive any compensation of any sort in any way whatsoever in any connection at all in any relation to this case. I stand up for causes I believe in and I believe in this cause.

    6) I have not created every part of this controversy. Three men who chose to commit sexual assault and were found responsible for doing so by the University of the Pacific did. And it surely seems to me and I believe it should seem to any reasonable person familiar with the case through newspaper reports or by reading court documents that much of the response of Dr. Griego and Richard Rojo from University Relations made the survivors trauma much worse. 7) I wish that more people were concerned with the well being of the survivor in this case and in incidents that happen on campuses nationwide. This is one case among all too many that plague our nation's campuses every year. Surely in not every case do we hear in the papers that a University Relations spokesperson say it wasn't rape. In not every case do we read in court documents that the VP for Student Life tells the survivor there are "multiple truths" to the issue at a tender time of the process. But there are women, and men, who survive rape on college campuses all over the country. In all of Dr. Greigo's responses to this issue, unless I have missed something, though I've seen mention of how support services were offered to the survivor at the beginning, I haven't seen any concern expressed for her well being after that. I haven't heard any expression from the University of the Pacific in their public statements hoping that the survivor in this case is recovering as well as she can. I've also have seen very little concern in these posts about her among those critical of those of us who are drawing attention to this case.

    Many people seem to think that Dr. Griego is the one being attacked here. The one who was attacked was a first year college student. And her story is the point. There is one thing I've learned in 17 years working with rape survivors. The truth of their story is hard enough to report. They don't need to add anything to it to make it sound any more horrible than it already was. Every individual can decide for him or herself who to believe in this case. My choice is to believe what I've read in the lawsuit filed by the survivor.

  • True
  • Posted by Matt on June 20, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • What Mr. Foubert says is true: NOBODY has all the facts in this case. However, he takes from a biased and one-sided court filing and claims that to be the truth. That is the problem here, in my opinion.

    None of us really know the truth in this cse, ex. However, it's kind of interesting that nobody here has questioned that the victim was raped, yet Mr. Foubert continues to say "he chooses to believe victims of rape." It sounds like it is his way to distort things and try to get away with it.

    Let's hope that in the future, he'll argue in a more unbiased way. Supporting victims of rape is commendable; however, molding the truth into something it likely isn't is not.

    Additionally, VP Griego did not refer to this case as "not rape." A spokesperson did. Trying to get her resign from NASPA, but in a passive aggressive way, is not the way professionals in the field of student affairs should act. I'll drop my concerns if this group can show that they are doing this only after they contacted Griego first. The professional move would have been to contact her and deal with her directly. Somehow, I don't believe that is the case.

  • Foubert's Fiction
  • Posted by 2peez on June 20, 2009 at 9:45pm EDT
  • Thanks Dr. Foubert for churning out your latest version of the truth. After reading through your latest propaganda, I believe we have a better understanding of where you are coming from now. You admit to choosing to "believe" the allegations presented by the survivor (via her legal team) with only limited understanding of the people and processes in place at Pacific. That's sure not a very successful way to convince anyone of your expertise (I believe you mentioned 17 years). Rather, it reveals you to be an inexperienced zealot with a limited ability or inclination to delineate the difference between truth and fiction. Your online rush to judgement is reminiscent of prosecutor Mike Nifong's folly in the Duke lacrosse case. I think most of us are aware of what eventually happened to him and the University. It seems that there were "multiple truths" at work in that instance...interesting, huh?

    Last thought, you made the comment in your post above that "you" haven't seen where Pacific or Dr. Griego has showed any concern for the survivor after an initial offering of support services. This definitely appears to be a significant omission by the University, or perhaps another "truth" to consider is that Griego and her staff inadvertently forgot to include you in all their correspondence with the survivor and her family. That's a real dropped ball in my opinion. 

    Give it a rest Foubert...I choose to believe that we have a judicial system in place in our country so that you and other zealots aren't allowed to prosecute others based on opinion, misinformation, allegations, and purchased websites. 

  • Continuing the Dialogue
  • Posted by John D. Foubert, Ph.D. , Author at The Men's Program: A Peer Education Guide to Rape Prevention on June 21, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • Thanks for all of the comments. I was hoping for a spirited debate and that has certainly been the result. "Matt," when one makes an argument it is inherently biased from one's perspective. I cannot make an unbiased argument, nor can you, nor are you doing so. Also, I don't think I'd call what the 13 of us did as passive, or actually even aggressive. I'd call it an assertive and bold statement designed to get NASPA's attention, the attention of the University of the Pacific, and the attention of the public. It appears to have succeeded on all counts. Though Dr. Griego wasn't the one who was quoted as saying that the case wasn't rape, one has to remember that University Relations offices speak for the University. It will be interesting to hear what role, if any, Dr. Griego had in preparing University Relations staff about whether or not the case was a rape, particularly given the fact that she played such a central role in managing the case for the University.

    "2peez" If you notice in my statement above, I state that besides offering the suvivor support services to the survivor in their initial contact that unless I'm mistaken I haven't seen any concern expressed for the survivor in their public statements. I made no and make no claims to know what sorts of concern they expressed to her otherwise. My point (7) above was that people seemed to lose sight of the survivor in all of this and it seemed to me that was important.

  • So should we lie to the victim?
  • Posted by Ross Bennett , Former Student Council Senator at University of the Pacific on June 21, 2009 at 6:30am EDT
  • Dr. Foubert a very small amount of research would lend you the answers which you seem fuzzy on in your previous post.

    VP Griego, is the VP of Student Life
    Rolo is in the marketing department.
    She has direct contact with Rolo, as much as any VP does, but that does not mean she coaches him in the role.
    As for a rational explanation of his comments, I give a fairly reasonable statement for why a head of marketing might be quoted as making a distinction between types of rape in a statement to a newspaper for the surrounding Stockton community:

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/topic.php?uid=88486508770&topic=14091
    My post is on this site above, 19th down, giving a simple reason that one can pull form the information given online and to the courts about Rolo. The papers did a very poor job of interpreting his statements, and he may have done a poor job of making them. But also in the sight above, in my first post, I link the UoP student code of conduct, which does not differentiate between types of rape, in any way.

    So while I do not have a Ph.D, Dr. Foubert's comments raise some concerns for me. Elizabeth Griego is accused in the plaintiffs case of first being hopeful about the plaintiff's case in the beginning, and then also accused of giving a very different answer during the deliberation when the plaintiff asked why the decision was taking so long. She had hopes in the beginning, and the timeline that the university outlines in its response shows what changed between the two points in time.

    Dr. Foubert suggests that VP Griego should have never answered the victims question on why the deliberation was taking so long with "multiple truths". However what does this really mean? This means depriving the victim of any of the very real perspective that the evidence in the case gave, and instead lie to her and let her be entirely unprepared and shocked by the verdict. What kind of victim support is that? How does one with so much experience in victim advocacy suggest it would have been better to keep the victim in the dark, at least until the board recommendations were heard? Lets look at some facts about the case, and see what is known about how the case looked to the board.

    Jane Doe refused to give evidence to the police or the university (not desputed in her court case). The university conducted its own investigation without that evidence. The 3 male students were tried, without Jane Doe ever being present for any of the witness testimony, some of the only evidence that the board can be given without the evidence she refused to give. On top of that, her only contribution mentioned in her case against the 3 male students, is a video tape of her account of the events that night. This was most likely given without addressing witness testimony to the contrary that she may have never heard. You can find all this information in the plaintiff's court case and UoP's response.

    This is all a board had to go on, and VP Griego knew it. She had the information on what the case looked like to the board, and how the board might rule that some of the students could not be with good reason punished to the full extent over the incident. So, Dr. Foubert suggests, that this information should not have been related to Jane Doe. He suggests that VP Griego continue to tell Jane Doe how much hope she had for the outcome of the case, and that the long deliberation or current outlook of the case as presented to the board was sure to have all 3 students punished as severely as possible!

    I still can't understand how this is a feasible alternative. How do you claim to stand for victims rights yet hope that every administrator, in the name of "victim support and sensitivity", let victims be entirely blind-sided by a judicial decision? How is that the answer? I'm sure VP Griego worded it in as sensitive a way that she could, and with respect, yet that doesn't matter, as the "multiple truths" should still supposedly be withheld from the victim.

    Does Dr. Foubert believe Jane Doe is not intelligent enough to realize what it means when the board rules that two of the students should be only suspended? Should we believe that Jane Doe will not be shocked by the decision and come to the conclusion on her own, in frustration and shock, that no one believes her? Should we believe that won't traumatize her? Maybe she should be allowed to fall down that logical path of destruction on her own, but I for one would thank an administrator for helping me down that path slowly, rather than having the floor fall from beneath me. It just doesn't make sense, and it is frustrating that being duplicitous is being held up as the standards of victim support, when the truth is about to be revealed. I have no doubt that VP Griego might have been thinking about victim support and sensitivity much more than Dr. Foubert suggests.

  • Dr. Griego performed admirably in this case
  • Posted by Mark Linder , Adjunct professor/Department of Political Science at San Jose State University on June 22, 2009 at 3:00am EDT
  • Dr. Griego faced a confused and difficult situation not unlike the situation with the De Anza baseball players. She was remarkable in her ability to sort out the truth. She was committed to being sure she understood the truth. Her decision was appropriate and on point. I have worked in this arena during my almost 13 years as a deputy city manager and assistant city manager for the City of San Jose. I am very impressed with the diligence of Dr. Griego. The University of the Pacific is fortunate that she handled this complex situation. I urge those who read the speculation and the gossip to get to the facts. The fact is Dr. Griego handled this case well and should be congratulated.

  • Posted by Male Ph.D. on June 22, 2009 at 12:45pm EDT
  • Have we learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse fiasco?

    People need to be considered innocent until proven guilty, yet we have people here referring to the complainant as "victim." She is not a "victim or "survivor," she is an alleged victim and the young men are "alleged rapists." The people who hold the belief that women never lie about rape must also subscribe to the corollary that men always lie when they deny allegations that they raped. I believe such a stance is reprehensible and, yes, sexist.

    Eugene Kanin is but one researcher who has studied rape - especially rape on campus - for decades and is one of the few scholars who has had the courage to publish scientific, thoroughly peer-reviewed articles on the matter even though, to his credit, they do not fall in line with political correctness. The bottom line: false allegations of rape are much more common than we are led to believe. This is not to say that this is a case of false allegations; rather, it is a plea to try to keep a level-head about these sorts of "he said/she said" cases.

    Men do not always lie when they deny these kinds of allegations, and the disastrous response by Duke university faculty and administrators to the lacrosse false allegation fiasco should serve as a cautionary tale to help us keep our perspective. IMO this case is controversial primarily because those who attack Griego seem to have forgotton about due process and "innocent until proven guilty." After all, the basketball players were students too, they deserved to have their stories believed as much as the alleged victim, and Griego had just as much duty to serve them as she did the alleged victim. The only problem I see with any of this is coming from those who are fanning the flames against Griego and the alleged perpetrators.

  • No connection?
  • Posted by Alum04 on June 22, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • Just so I understand this: John Foubert is maintaining here that he has absolutely no connection to John Clune, the Denver attorney representing Jane Doe in this case, and that Mr. Foubert's aggressive attack campaign on Facebook, via e-mail, listserve, web-page comments, and in the media is being done purely out of the kindness of his heart?

  • A Cause I Believe In
  • Posted by John D. Foubert, Ph.D. , Author at The Men's Program: A Peer Education Guide to Rape Prevention on June 22, 2009 at 6:00pm EDT
  • Like I've said before, this is a cause I believe in. I've never met the survivor, I've never met Mr. Clune, I have not, am not, and will not be taking any compensation for my involvement in this case in any form whatsoever. I have sought and continue to seek to bring to light what I believe are the injustices done in this case to the survivor and to women in general at the University of the Pacific. I have done so before in similar cases -- see the facebook group "I Support Cassandra" if you wish -- and have also fought for social justice in the area of fighting the pornography industry, see the facebook group "Say No to Nude 10, 12, and 16 Year old Girls Pics Displays by Colleges." I took on both of those causes without compensation as well.

  • Posted by Male Ph.D. on June 22, 2009 at 10:00pm EDT
  • John Foubert said:  "I have sought and continue to seek to bring to light what I believe are the injustices done in this case to the survivor [sic] and to women in general at the University of the Pacific."

    Let's make sure we're clear about this:  You're 100% certain that the men in this case, who claim that no rape occurred, are - indeed, *must* be - lying?  Three eye witnesses who claim innocence vs. one who refuses to testify under oath?  

    All I can say is that I'm very, very glad that there's a judge standing between you and all the rest of us men who live in U.S.  I thought we eschewed lynch mobs in the last century.  

  • Posted by Monika Perrine on June 23, 2009 at 3:30am EDT
  • This is not a personal attack on the male population, and I will use "male" only because the majority of victims are female. I believe that most men in this world are good people, however, a small percentage are not good people, and unfortunately, these criminals typically reoffend, and continue to victimize. "Jane Doe" does not deserve to be treated as a criminal, and it is her choice, no one else's, to determine whether or not she wants to "testify under oath." Rape is a blatant theft of choice among other things, and perhaps instead of enduring the re-victimization and trauma of "testifying under oath"; she has chosen another avenue for her recovery. Looking back through these posts it isn't difficult to see why so many victims choose not to involve the legal system. This situation isn't about Dr. Foubert; it's about a woman who was raped, and the manner in which she was treated when she chose to come forward. Rape is a horrific crime, and it never goes away for the victim. Everyone can provide their personal logic and opinions, however, why is the victim in this case the one who is being ripped apart? Why was she assaulted the weekend she returned to see friends? Why does the women's basketball team have to leave a social event when the men's team arrives? Why does the presence of alcohol or this woman's behavior prior to the sexual assault negate the fact that she said no? Rape is the crime; the rapist is the criminal, NOT the victim. The possibility of being sexually assaulted increases upon the entrance into college. Regardless of how this specific situation turns out, I hope a lesson can be learned about University policy, and the way any individual is treated when so courageously coming forward as a victim.

  • Lost Sight
  • Posted by Matt on June 23, 2009 at 3:30am EDT
  • It seems we have lost sight here. This really is not about the rape survivor. I hope that she is moving on and trying to get her life back on track after this assault. Some people are questioning her, and that is not the point of this article or Mr. Foubert and this group's attempt to get vigilante justice.

    To me, this is more about a group of people, led by Mr. Foubert, who are, in essence, attacking a well-respected administrator based on information from a overly biased court complaint? Does everyone's feelings of respect for Griego mean that she could not have said those alleged things? No--but in my opinion, until we get to a court of law, we must give her the benefit of the doubt. Until the facts are determined by a jury, there are no facts--just accusations (from both sides, mind you).

    And to be honest, accusations are not enough to indirectly call for the resignation of president-elect of a national organization of college and university student affairs administrators. The only thing Foubert and his crew should be attacking is the PR person. That person is the only person in this case that we know for certain said something horrible. If what is accused by the rape survivor is found to be the truth, more power to this group. But right now, these are only accusations. A seasoned student affairs professional should know better than to act like this. That is what is disappointing about all of this. Why don't we let the courts settle this before we tear apart a VP who may or may not have done something wrong? You all are better than that.

  • UOP Found them Responsible Already
  • Posted by John D. Foubert, Ph.D. , Author at The Men's Program: A Peer Education Guide to Rape Prevention on June 23, 2009 at 3:30am EDT
  • Male Ph.D., the University of the Pacific already found the three men responsible for commiting sexual assault. The spokesperson from UOP even eventually called it rape. That point isn't even questioned by either side that is party to the lawsuit.

    And by the way, quoting Eugene Kanin on false reporting is like quoting Saddam Hussein on how to run a free and democratic society. Try looking into the research of Dr. Kimberly Lonsway and JoAnne Archimbault and you'll see false reporting rates are 2-4%. They exist, of course, but are very rare.

  • Posted by Male Ph.D. on June 23, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • It appears that I'm dealing with 'true believers' with a level of fanaticism that approaches the most fervent religious zealot in the mold of Cotton Mather.

    The "2%" figure for false rape allegations is a myth - here's the story on that: http://llr.lls.edu/volumes/v33-issue3/greer.pdf

    Credible scholars, including Kanin, know that false rape claims are much higher, and the Innocence Project bears this out. With this in mind, I believe that Greigo did the right thing by giving the accounts of the basketball players as much credibility as that of the alleged victim. And again, the is no "victim," "survivor," "perpetrators" or "rapists" in this. All we have are *alleged* victims and *alleged* perpetrators.

    As for the work of Lonsway and Archimbault, IMO it's unconvincing. They engage in circular referencing in the manner that the Greer article cited above outlines.

    And finally, as for the findings of "guilt" by the UOP panel: Dr. Foubert, irrespective of your emotional references to Saddam Hussein (I could analogize your stance to that of Bush and Cheney with equal credibility), to use such events as "proof" of guilt is beyond laughable. I've sat on numerous student disciplinary and conflict resolution boards and to say they are a modern day Star Chamber is no exaggeration. The complainant is provided with professional victims advocates, activists and other biased parties with agendas and who run the show, while the defendent is denied legal representation; the best he gets (because the victim of those Kangaroo courts are almost always male) is a fellow student to act as 'advocate,' i.e., moral support. Hardly what most reasonable people would call a fair hearing.

    Again, the majority of folks who are pushing against Griego simply because she gave the basketball players the presumption of innocence that they deserve sound like a lynch mob to me. Heaven help us all if you become the dominant force in academia and beyond.

  • A group for HONEST dialogue
  • Posted by A Pacific Student at University of the Pacific on June 23, 2009 at 12:45pm EDT
  • In light of all the conversation that has begun I hope you all will find this new Facebook group to be useful. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106111483048&ref=mf

  • Dr. Griego mentor and role model to many in the field
  • Posted by Troy Gilbert , Director, Academic Services at University of California Berkeley on June 23, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • As a 25-year student affairs professional at a couple of campuses in northern California, Dr. Griego has been an tremendous mentor and role model to myself and countless others. Any rape case on a campus is a horrible ordeal for all involved, there is not a dean or administrator among us who wants to go through what Dr. Griego has gone through trying to do the best for ALL the students on her campus.

    I have worked with hundreds of student affairs administrators in my career. Suffice it to say that if my daughter or son had a horrible crisis on their college campus, Dr. Griego would rank #1 as the chief student affairs officer I would want handling the situation.

  • Slander detracts from the real issue.
  • Posted by Laura on June 23, 2009 at 7:30pm EDT
  • As a women's center director, I have been following this situation and have to say that I am heartened by the number of people not falling for the slander that has been perpetrated against Elizabeth Griego and the others at Pacific involved with this case. Date rape is a grave issue that many people continue to minimize out of the idea that everything comes down to a "he said, she said" version of the facts, giving them an excuse not to respond with the seriousness these cases deserve. When people falsely attribute quotes, sling unfounded accusations, and try to play judge, jury, and executioner to those involved with the case BEFORE it even goes to trial, they add to the idea that facts don't matter. I have spent the last ten years of my professional life advocating on behalf of rape victims and am sad to say that those who behave unprofessionally in their probably well meaning attempts to help others only end up giving those who think rape is not a serious issue fuel for their argument that these cases are too subjective to prosecute.

    Further, I know Elizabeth Griego's work and know that she has only worked on behalf of women's rights, not against them. Those who want to help women should keep their eye on the ball and go after the real perpetrators of violence against women. Finally, I find it very interesting that those who are attacking Griego are men. Perhaps it is time for them to re-examine their own views on women in leadership positions and sexism more generally. I read a lot of aggression in the Facebook site that was set up about this case; this seems like a very odd way of fighting violence against women.

  • More Thoughts
  • Posted by John D. Foubert, Ph.D. , Author at The Men's Program: A Peer Education Guide to Rape Prevention on June 24, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • Whether "Laura's" post was written by a female, a Women's Center Director, or someone who even knows Dr. Griego is something we really can't know given that this person has signed in with a fake or incomplete name. One thing the writer of this post missed completely is that the letter signed by 13 of us included many, many women including Dr. Julie Allison, Lauren Chief Elk, Monika Perrine, Judy Clancy Benitez, Sandy Morris, and Joanne Archimbault. It would of course be to Dr. Griego's benefit to make this into a "Foubert is attacking me, give me sympathy" situation. It is therefore no surprise that so many posts are of that variety. The truth of the matter is that there are those of us in the sexual assault education community who are deeply concerned by the events at the University of the Pacific and we wanted our concerns in writing.

    If people think that The University of the Pacific with Dr. Griego's leadership has such a great record of working with rape survivors, then why would the local Women's center come out in the Stockton Record and allow themselves to be quoted as follows:

    "The university has a sexual-assault education and outreach program, but Gomez criticized it, saying the university does not allocate enough resources nor does it foster a culture where victims feel comfortable speaking out about assaults.

    Gomez said the women's center has received a number of acquaintance rape cases, and the university's policies about disseminating certain information has made it harder for the center to efficiently handle some of those cases."

    With regard to Troy's comments, if what is alleged in the lawsuit is true, the rape of "Jane Doe" could easily have been prevented given what was known about in a case less than two months earlier. If so, I find it very hard to believe you would want her in any position of authority over your child. She will certainly never have any authority over or contact with mine.

    "Male Ph.D.," if you are male, if you have a Ph.D., who knows... Kanin's study took data from one police jurisdiction. We call that in research circles "not generalizable." If you took a research class, you would have learned that principle. I suspect not which is why I call into question whether you are who you say you are, and particularly if you have a Ph.D. For a discsusion of Kanin's study and a complete resource about false reporting, this link addresses the issue comprehensively by Archimbault and Lonsway: http://www.ncdsv.org/images/False%20Reports_Excerpt%2005_14_07.pdf

    "Male," your reported experience with conduct boards is unlike any other I've heard of in my career. I encourage others to read this peer reviewed journal article on the experience of survivors with such boards: http://jdfoub.people.wm.edu/Garner%20&%20Foubert%202007.pdf

  • Identifying the critical issue(s)
  • Posted by Julie Allison , Director at Office of Violence Response and Prevention on June 24, 2009 at 6:00pm EDT
  • It seems to me that many of these posts are relying on a false assumption that this is some kind of competition: "Foubert vs. Griego."

    I see no purpose in denigrating the character of either of these professionals. I know that Dr. Foubert has spent nearly two decades working to stop violence against women and to support victims of such crimes. I believe those who know Dr. Griego and her work, and that she is a competent professional with integrity.

    There are many of us (albeit not enough) who work tirelessly trying to end violence, particularly violence against women, and supporting the victims. I know of noone in this field who has not made mistakes. Learning from these mistakes is critical.

    Those involved in judicial systems--either in higher education or in the criminal justice system, face a balancing act between defending the rights of the victims vs. those of the accused. There are differences in procedures, process, and outcomes, each of which are dictated by the policies/laws of their respective educational entity/jurisdiction.

    It seems to me that the issues most important to this conversation has become secondary to defensive posturing by those who, for whatever reason, feel compelled to "take a side" for either Foubert or Griego in an unnnecessarily personal manner.

    I have no reason to believe that the procedures of the judiciary process for adjudicating student complaints outlined by UOP were not followed. Any time a case goes before a judiciary board, or goes to trial, there is incomplete information. That is why decisions made regarding such cases are by definition judgments.

    Given this context, I would like to suggest that the conversation should be redirected to the most significant issues.

    1. The vast majority of rape victims/survivors do not officially report their attacks to any entity. This does not mean they are not victims/survivors. College students who report sexual assault/rape to their institution may go through the non-legal, yet institutionally binding judicial process. If the accused is found responsible (analogous to guilty for the criminal justice system), they are offenders of the transgression/crime for which they were accused. If there is an offender, there is a victim/survivor.

    2. The behavior of an alleged victim is not relevant to the determination of whether one who is accused of a crime has committed that crime. This behavioral analysis of the alleged victim--especially in cases where the accusation is rape or sexual assault--relies on the false assumption that rape is about sex. It is not. To focus on the behavior of a complainant during the determination of whether a crime has been committed by the accused is at the very least misguided. If one is found responsible/guilty, to (mis)use the behavior of the victim as a means of justifying a "light sentence" sends a dangerous message to offenders, and a stark message to victims/survivors: do not report.

    3. Women are most likely to be the targets of rapists. Monitoring or curtailing the behavior of women has been the means by which our society has historically "protected" women from such crimes. This effort has failed miserably. It is the behavior of rapists (not the majority of men, nor women) that must be stopped if we want to stop rape from happening.

    I do hope we can agree on this: we all want to stop rape from happening.

  • Posted by Male Ph.D. on June 25, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • To John D. Foubert: Yes, I have a Ph.D. and am male; what you believe is immaterial. As for Kanin, you appear to cite one study, the most contentious one because it's the one that angers feminists and rape activists the most, however, in that study he actually looked at two sources, not one. I agree that it is not generalizable to the public at large, but IMO it is the most generalizable study of its type to done on college women, so it's the most generalizable study for that population. Indeed, Kanin has conducted many studies on the topic of rape over many years, which is why he is considered credible. I read the citation you provided for Archimbault and Lonsway and as I said it is unconvincing. We will have to agree to disagree on that score.

    To Julie Allison: There are many theories on what rape is "about," and the 'power and control' theory is simply one of them. Also, we have to remember that indeed women *do* lie about rape - the Innocence Project, DNA testing, etc., show this unequivocably - so I believe that unless and until a court of law (i.e., not a university committee) examines all the evidence and then finds guilt, there are no "victims" or "rapists," only complainants and alleged perpetrators. That we seem to be advocating for throwing out the constitutional and morally-proper rights of men in the name of radical feminist ideology (i.e., the "women never lie" myth) is shocking indeed, but to be expected from women's rights advocates and activists. That's why we need to reign in this dangerous trend of assuming guilt prior to legally-sound trials.

  • With regards to victim behavior
  • Posted by Ross Bennett , Former Student Council Senator at University of the Pacific on June 25, 2009 at 8:45pm EDT
  • I agree that it is not the most reliable form of evidence to go by witness testimony. I also agree that many victims do not formally report the crime. I also know that it is a major problem that victim advocates desperately are trying to address, as the lack of evidence usually leads to a very hard to prove crime.

    I realize it is so wide spread, that one might think that some sort of compensation must be made in the judicial process to account for the lack of evidence from the victim. Unfortunately, that in itself is fallacy. We need to stop rape, and similar sexual crimes, but not at the expense of tipping the scales so that we may decide that they are "appropriate" for the case.

    That being said, in the face of a lack of evidence, witness testimony is the only thing left. In this particular case, it seemed to refute parts of the victim's story, but I don't see how it would have been much better were the witnesses not allowed to testify. Infact, no claims of support for the story from either side would be admissible then, and it would be a purely he said/ she said, or in this case, they said / she said. In the end, Id on't see how the board would be less confused in the slightest with this restriction.

    Both parties should be able to call witnesses to support their claims. Whether or not the act of rape is really about sex, the attribute of the event in question is in fact "consent". Behavior can contribute to that end. Noticeably directing commends at the men in question about getting laid, might demonstrate evidence to that end. So might witness testimony as to a hug shared between the accused and the victim at a time shortly after the event took place.

    Consent, with regards to words and body language, is a behavior in and of itself. It is emotional, and the existence of it brings about physical changes within a consenting adult. At the exact time of the event, there is only one possible way to provide any evidence of either consent or non-consent, and that lies mostly with the physical evidence the victim has following the event. There is no more judicial policy or step that the university could have taken in this case, that would have better revealed the truth on the issue of consent to the board. Since the university is also not a legal entity, I believe that this case has achieved more educational value than the university could ever have hoped. Proof of this is seen in the discussion that is still abound everywhere.

    Rape needs to be stopped, but without the evidence from the victim, the board could have not been any less confused. Whether the witness testimony was supportive or not, it is the only possible avenue left with which one can attempt to clarify the situation to the board. I whole heatedly support efforts by victim advocates to try to stop rape, but I draw the line for that support at tipping the scales of justice in a judicial process (prejudgement) or fingerpointing without a large portion of the facts (again, prejudgement). Without stepping into those domains, the only answer I can think of for helping to stop rape and bring rapists to judgement is by increasing the statistic of collected evidence in the reported crimes.

    I agree with you, and I think everyone here does, that we all want to stop rape from happening. Some of us also wish to equally minimize the false judgement of rape. I have suggested the very obvious, yet equally rarely collected rape evidence as a solution. I think the better question to ask is what solution anyone here is suggesting?

  • Posted by Laura on June 25, 2009 at 8:45pm EDT
  • Well, Foubert didn't really respond to any of the points in my post except to accuse me of not being who I say I am and to accuse Griego of trying to garner sympathy. Maybe instead of making accusations toward everyone else, Foubert needs to examine whether slandering and attacking women are the best ways to advocate on their behalf. While I disagree with the male Ph.D. student's characterization of women's rights advocates as irrational people who don't care about facts, I can see how he would draw this conclusion based on Foubert's comments. I hope he will consider that there are reasonable people like myself who care about both equality for women and due process.

  • Foubert
  • Posted by Jessica M. Davis at Ball State on June 25, 2009 at 8:45pm EDT
  • Since when is "Laura" a made up name? Why would it be unrealistic to be a women's center director? Or for someone to respond as a male with a PhD? These are all normal options and no reason to question someone's judgement or reason. Frankly, I don't trust your judgement - it seems like your entire job is to write scathing emails/posts. Perhaps you are better suited to the field if IT or perhaps you could run a gossip column? In fact, given your slanderous remarks and incredibly pathetic attempts at ruining another person's career in an attempt to advance your own, who would ever want you to have their real or complete name? And, as far as Troy's children not being in contact with yours, what a great, great fortune to have thrust upon them.

  • Clarifications
  • Posted by John D. Foubert, Ph.D. , Author at The Men's Program: A Peer Education Guide to Rape Prevention on June 25, 2009 at 10:00pm EDT
  • Laura: I'm not accusing you of not being who you say you are. My point was we don't know who you are. It is your right to remain an anonymous "Laura" of course. My point is that we don't have any way of knowing who you are and if your claim to be a Women's Center Director is true. You can easily be pretending to be one for the sake of gaining credibility in this discussion. Also, I have neither slandered nor attacked women. 13 of us have raised serious questions about the leadership and behavior of administrators at the University of the Pacific, and particularly Elizabeth Griego. Yes, I led this effort. Yes, I am a man, she is a woman. She is in a position of power as both Vice President for Student Life at UOP and President-Elect of NASPA. In the view of many, it appears that she has misused her power to hurt other people -- including women. As a person who fights for social justice, I will raise objection to the behavior of people -- male or female -- when I believe the context is appropriate. This is such a context. I don't make the dualistic distiction of questioning judgment of female in power = attacking, therefore I should find other ways to advocate for women. It seems that you are making an argument of that sort. We will have to agree to disagree on that point.

    Ms. Davis: I'm not saying Laura is a made up name, I'm simply saying that we don't know who Laura is and whether her position is what she claims it is. We also don't know if the person who claims to be a male with a Ph.D. is either male or has a Ph.D. either because unlike you or I, they have not given a name. That is their right, they simply are not revealing their identity. Regarding Troy's comment, my statement was intended to state that I would not let my children attend an institution where Dr. Griego was the leader. I know nothing of Mr. Gilbert's career and would not make comments about his children having contact with mine. My point, which I did not make very clear, was that based on what I've heard has happened at the University of the Pacific I would never send a child of mine to a be student where Dr. Griego was in a position of leadership.

    Thank you to Julie Allison for trying to get this discussion back on a productive track.

  • Solution?
  • Posted by Monika Perrine on June 26, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • If one is searching for a solution to find through this situation, I, offering perspective only from my personal and professional experiences would make the following suggestions—and let’s hope that relevant, productive conversation can come from this:

    1. While I can respect the need for an investigation before labeling someone a “rapist,” I cannot find a reason to berate a “possible” victim for any reason. Is it unreasonable to expect these awful situations to be handled in a sensitive manner? I think not. I believe all (or at least most) of us have been able to agree on the fact that rape is a horrible crime, and that it needs to stop. Sensitivity goes a long way.
    2. Rape has often been considered an “unspeakable” crime. Victim blaming, whether intentional or not, only makes it more difficult for a victim to come forward. Questioning the morals and/or character of a victim sends the message that there is something she/he could have done differently to avoid being raped. Whether rape is a crime of power, a crime of opportunity, or based upon sex, or any other reason that comes up, it is still a CRIME. To suggest that what a victim was wearing, drinking, or doing prior to an assault is unfair, and irrelevant. Something will always have been happening in the moments leading up to a rape. The rapist is responsible for his/her crime, not the victim. I think we have all been able to agree on this one (for the most part).
    3. There have been many comments discussing the need for more victims to report…with physical evidence. There are many reasons that rapes are not reported, regardless of these reasons, it is the choice of the victim. If it becomes more acceptable to talk about rape, if compassion and sensitivity aren’t withheld, and if victims aren’t made to feel as though they are being held responsible for the crime of another, maybe these numbers would increase.
    4. As far as false allegations: I believe Dr. Allison has handled this point well.

    No one wants to see people hurting each other. Obviously, there are things that could have been handled differently and more gently in this specific situation. “Jane Doe” does not deserve to be treated like a criminal.

  • Posted by Recent Victim at NYU on June 26, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • Well said Monika, thank you. Do any of you know what its like to look at comments like these and the relief that is felt after reading something like what she has just said and what she has continuously said? If you did, all of you would be taking her advice to heart. Thanks Monika and all who have been supportive of victims.

  • Mr. F, you go too far
  • Posted by BB , Former student at University of the Pacific on June 27, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • This matter begs resolution based upon a determination of the facts and the applicable law, not upon the serial recitations of Mr. F's unfounded opinions. The plaintiff has filed a complaint and the University has answered. The parties are now in the process of discovery of the facts.

    In the absence of facts that cannot possibly be available to you, Mr. F you go too far . . . especially in your unwarranted assault on Elizabeth Griego. You flirt with defamation and false light.

    Perhaps someone should shorten your leash. That way you could only gnaw on your own feet.

  • Posted by Male Ph.D. on June 29, 2009 at 5:45am EDT
  • Monika Perrine wrote: "No one wants to see people hurting each other. Obviously, there are things that could have been handled differently and more gently in this specific situation. “Jane Doe” does not deserve to be treated like a criminal."

    Without a doubt rape is a devastating experience, however, a false allegation of rape is an equally devastating experience - perhaps even moreso because the person did nothing wrong.  For a man falsely accused of rape, it means the end of a career, friendships, many times marriage, incarceration, etc.  Indeed, his life has ended, all based on the words of another, a person who has little, if anything, to lose by making a false allegation.  Furthermore, there is not only little support and assistance for falsely accused men, but because our society takes rape very seriously his name is usually published in media (while hers is not) and most people automatically turn against him once they become aware that he was accused of being a rapist.  In most cases, the outcome of a trial makes no difference - the permanent damage is done.

    It is said that rape is underreported, but I personally doubt it and believe that in fact the numbers of false allegations balance out the numbers of unreported rapes.  And so, gIven the high numbers of false allegations (the Greer analysis shows that the  "2%" number a myth) I think that we need to show at least the same level of sensitivity and respect, and to provide the same level of support, for men accused (but not convicted) of rape.  Indeed, similar to Monika's plea, John Doe does not deserve being treated like a criminal based solely on the words of another person.  

    We need to come to grips with the fact of false allegations of rape, make it completely acceptable to discuss the issue, and learn to treat men who are accused with the same sensitivity and respect that we currently treat women who report rape.  Only then will we have a just and fair system.  But currently, rape activists and advocates treat women's word as sacrosanct and thus all men accused of rape as criminals, and because Dr. Griego did not fall in line with the True Believers she's being attacked.  What a sad state of affairs.  We seem to never learn from our mistakes.  

  • Sensetivity and Fairness.
  • Posted by Ross Bennett , Former Student Council Senator at University of the Pacific on June 29, 2009 at 7:15pm EDT
  • Thank you Julie Allison and Monika Perrine, your comments are well formed and informative.
    Thank you too, male Ph.D. You summarize the hypocrisy very well.

    I do agree that it seems insensitive and misguided to bring victim behavior into this, at least at first and from an ideal standpoint. Indeed, it is unreliable and rather arguable as not indicative of the event at all. However, this is only thinking of the situation as it applies to the victim!

    Witness testimony had to be entered in this case especially, with no other means of supporting evidence. What if the witness testimony included someone who saw the men feeling her up earlier that evening at the party? What if there was witness testimony that said she became disgusted or uncomfortable, or asked them to stop at the party? What if witness testimony saw her leave the party, and the guys followed her shortly afterward? What if, upon entering the apartment, a witness noticed the men shove Jane Doe rather forcefully into the apartment?

    Behavior communicates just as loudly and legitimately as words. The behavior of a person is as much a show of their feelings and desires as anything else. It gives insight into one's character or state of mind.

    Were any of those"what if"s known to judicial affairs, but not allowed to be presented to the board, I have no doubt every one of you would be just as concerned about the injustice and insensitivity at UoP as you are now. None of them witnessed the act directly, yet their accounts are relevant as shedding light on possible intent. The sad truth of our court system is that people have been convicted on even less witness testimony than provided to the board! You cannot allow the behaviors and actions of the accused to be reported upon, and then have the victim be given immunity from it all. The purpose of presenting the actions of the accused would be to support claims of forceful, inappropriate, or persistent nature on behalf of the accused. It IS relevant! So how can witness testimony not be said to be relevant to support evidence as to the desires and consent of the victim. Yes, victims are driven away by such notions, but this unavoidable double edged system is our system of balance in this country. The witnesses had to be brought forward, but when among the testimony some of it reveals a pattern of unfavorable behavior for supporting the victims claims, what basis do you suppose the university would have for telling the board to ignore it? At this point even assuming that witness testimony should have been omitted, we are left with a he-said, she-said senario, one in which the tiniest support for either side could sway the case disproportionately. What an absolute mess for the Board to figure out.

    As for sensitivity, I have no doubt in my mind that a speech described as being on "multiple truths" can be both necessitated by a situation, and given in a very sensitive matter. this term from the UoP response and the plaintiffs claims in her filing are the only insight anyone has to go on so far! A statement from UoP describes it as "multiple truths", and the plaintiff (in this new case) describes it as a much more vulgar comment, and this is all the information that has been necessary to deeply concern everyone with UoP's sensitivity. All of this before any clarification in trial. Sensitivity indeed! Everyone seems quite quick to judge and take action!

    Finally, UoP commences with victim blaming in it's response, and yet the response is a response. It is formed in response to blaming the university on multiple counts for things that the university feels the plaintiff and/or the circumstances are responsible for, not the university. This isn't victim blaming anymore, the plaintiff is on the offensive and attacking now, and the university's response directly refutes the victims claims.

    All of this is a horrible situation for victims rights. It is a horrible situation for the university. It is a horrible situation for the victim (I assume, since she is suing, of course male Ph.D has a point about the state of social prejudice and assumption). I don't see how any party is making this case more clear or beneficial, by speculating and arguing pre-trial as to who is more misguided in a case we have no specifics on yet anyways! What has come out of it is personal and professional attacks on both sides, on individuals who should not be attacked, and through it all the university is being dragged through the mud. I'm sorry if I don't find this a worthwhile exercise in advocating victims rights.

    Finally, this case isn't about a victim who was raped anymore, and that is the real point. This isn't about who was right: the victim or those found guilty of various degrees of sexual assault. This case now has to deal with damages due from claims of insensitive treatment, and has nothing to do with rape anymore. It seems the point is lost on many, but this case is not a criminal case, and it has no ruling as to the validity of a rape having taken place, or the punishment of those supposedly responsible. So please keep that in mind when evaluating this case.

  • Refocusing
  • Posted by Kelly Ammendolia , Assistant Director of Residence Life at University of Puget Sound on June 30, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • This issue, and the myriad of antagonizing responses to it, is deeply troubling.

    The sexual assault survivor absolutely deserves and is entitled to care, sensitivity, and unconditional support in her process of reporting and recovering from the alleged crime; just as the alleged perpetrators are entitled to due process and support as the charges are investigated and a decision about responsibility is made. I don't think that professionals on any side of this argument can or will deny either of these assertions.

    I am absolutely supportive of this discussion on an issue-based level. This is one of the most remarkable and beautiful aspects of our field. We are committed to sharing best practices in order to create better ones. It is through such probing collegial discussions that we unveil innovative and improved ways to serve our students. This is our responsibility.

    Sadly, as Julie Allison so eloquently stated, the issue has wrongly become a competition: "Foubert vs. Griego." I agree there is no purpose in blackening the character of either of these unmistakeably intelligent, capable professionals. I do not know Dr. Foubert, but do not question his knowledge base or insight. I have worked with Dr. Griego and have known her to to be a compassionate leader of principle and candor.

    NASPA was founded on core values of learning, collaboration, fellowship, and the spirit of inquiry. This is not a character debate. Let us instead place focus on how, should a similar sexual assault scenario present itself at another of our institutions (as it undoubtedly and dishearteningly will), we can partner together now to protect and provide for our students in the future.

  • Redirecting the Conversation to Relevant Issues
  • Posted by Dr. Julie Allison , Director, Office of Violence Response and Prevention at Pittsburg State University on June 30, 2009 at 5:30pm EDT
  • In the case that began this (intended to be civil) conversation, the issue of false allegations is irrelevant. While false accusations for any crime are horrific, those who were accused of sexual assault at UOP were given due process, and found responsible for various degrees of sexual assault. I can only imagine what the victim, if she is reading these, is feeling and/or experiencing. My worst fear is that she is being revictimized by some; my hope is that she knows she is supported by many.
    This case has obviously touched some sensitive buttons. The allegations that the victim/survivor was sexually assaulted by three men were founded by UOP. The consequences for both those found responsible were and are perceived as unjust by not only the victim/survivor, but others as well, including myself. Additionally, the consequences for the victim were unwarranted. To intentionally require that the behavior of the victim/survivor AND the basketball team for which she played must be curtailed is not fair to anyone on this basketball team. I would guess that this was a part (and only a part) of why the victim/survivor chose to leave UOP. I can’t even imagine how she felt as she walked through campus knowing that she was erroneously considered one who may have contributed to the crimes of the offenders for which she was a target.
    There are many “safety guards” in place to protect the rights of the accused, both in higher education institutions and in the legal system. I am not against such “safety guards” which are based upon our country’s constitutional right that all of those who are accused of crimes receive due process.
    I appreciate Kelly Ammendolia’s attempt to redirect the conversation to one that is productive to improving the manner in which accusations are handled.
    Given this context, I will suggest that the following issues are significant, not just to the case that instigated this discussion, but to higher education institutions everywhere.
    1. The provisions that outline due process for those who are charged with violating the policies of a higher education institution are generally quite explicit. The rights of the complainant are less clear and more variable among institutions. In this regard, the relevant issues include (but are not limited to) the following:
    a. Should there be mandatory consequences for those found responsible for violating sexual assault/rape/stalking policies?
    b. Should the complainant have some input into what such consequences might be on a case by case basis?
    c. How can higher education institutions maximize the physical and psychological safety of students involved in such cases before, during, and after judgments about such cases are made?

    2. What policies/programs can higher education institutions implement in order to prevent sexual assault/rape/intimate partner violence/stalking? While intervention policies are mandated by law, prevention efforts are not. Perhaps a conversation on such proactive efforts would be helpful. I will add the caveat that inhibiting the behavior of women (who are most often targets of such crimes) has failed miserably. We need to think outside of the box, and could utilize both the majority of men and women who are not perpetrators of such crimes. Indeed, the majority of individuals---male or female---abhor such crimes.

    3. Students in higher education institutions do not generally fit the stereotype of a “criminal.” Yet some of these students do violate policies including aggressing against their fellow students. While the peers of those who have been found responsible for violating policies—especially those involving gender-based violence--may not support the behavior, I have found that the general tendencies of many peer students is to “protect” the offender. The most common method of doing so is to denigrate either the behavior or character (or both) of the victim/survivor. This seems to me to be a permeating inhibitor of campus safety. It is perhaps the most insidious effect possible in such cases, and the most difficult to either prevent or respond to, but one that is of utmost importance. Finding solutions to difficult problems is worth the effort.

  • Posted by Male Ph.D. on July 5, 2009 at 6:30pm EDT
  • Julie Allison wrote: "In the case that began this (intended to be civil) conversation, the issue of false allegations is irrelevant."

    WIth all due respect, the issue of false allegations is central to this, and indeed all, rape cases. Because false allegations of rape are very common (the best estimates for college campuses are 30 - 50%), it is imperative that every person involved in investigating such cases keep the possibility of a false allegation at the forefront as the case proceeds. This is what Dr. Griego correctly did as she proceeded, and this is what got her in trouble. In fact, the fact that the accused students were found responsible by a non-judicial board of community college staff and (presumably) students is the irrelevant aspect of this case. Griego is in trouble because she did the right thing and refused to assume the men were guilty based solely on the word of the female complainant. In these types of cases, there are always "multiple truths," whether activists and advocates care to admit it or not.

    "While false accusations for any crime are horrific, those who were accused of sexual assault at UOP were given due process, and found responsible for various degrees of sexual assault."

    No reasonable person would consider a quasi-legal tribunal composed of activists and advocates biased in favor of the complainant to be "due process." Only a court of law can provide due process, and those men did not get that at UOP. I believe that what they got was a one-way ticket off campus in what could be described as 'damage control' for the administration. If they were clearly guilty of rape, I'm certain the men would have been prosecuted by the local DA.