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July 10, 2009

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When the issue is conflicts of interest in biomedical research, debate is generally centered not on whether to regulate but how much to regulate. Yet while state legislatures, medical schools and health care associations weigh in with varying ideas for oversight of doctors and their drug-rep-provided free lunches, one Harvard professor of medicine is organizing an opposing army.

Thomas Stossel, the American Cancer Society Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School, is spearheading a new nonprofit professional organization that is, according to Stossel’s preliminary description, “to be a forum for what we believe is a hitherto silent majority of individuals engaged in clinical service, medical education and medical innovation ready to oppose a small but well organized and well-funded coterie responsible for an anti-industry movement.”

The Association of Clinical Researchers and Educators (ACRE), slated to hold its charter conference this month, will be led by a steering committee consisting of physicians from Harvard Medical School, the State University of New York Downstate and the Mayo Clinic. Thomas Sullivan, president of Rockpointe, a medical communications company that organizes educational symposia, often with pharmaceutical sponsorship, for doctors is helping Stossel with the group's formative steps; ACRE will be logistically managed by Diann Rohde and Associates -- Rohde being a former vice president at the National Multiple Sclerosis Society. So far, funding for ACRE has been covered completely out of pocket, though Stossel said he welcomes industry participation and support. The tentative schedule for July’s meeting includes more than two dozen speakers – doctors, industry representatives, health and patient association officials -- and topics range from policy explanation to the value of collaboration between medicine and industry (for which, of course, Stossel makes no apologies).

According to Stossel, the perceived risks of physician-industry relationships are too often demonized instead of assessed for value. “The damages are imaginary or speculative,” he said, adding that in the “crescendo” of anti-business sentiment in science and medicine, “no one wants to sign up to be abused by The New York Times or Senator Grassley.”

Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa has certainly been at the forefront of the crusade against conflicts of interest in medicine -- making public revelations of wrongdoing and proposing stricter regulation through legislation -- and some of those high-profile conflict of interest cases have indeed inspired tighter scrutiny.

Harvard Medical School, for example, is reviewing its conflict of interest policies after Grassley last year uncovered that psychiatrist Joseph Biederman of Harvard-affiliated Massachusetts General Hospital received $1.6 million from companies that produced the drugs he used to treat children for bipolar disorders. Part of the push for review of conflict of interest policy came from Harvard Medical students who lobbied for faculty to be subject to a full disclosure policy. Also last year, the National Institutes for Health froze funding for an Emory University depression study because of a conflict of interest involving Charles Nemeroff, chairman of the psychiatry department and the study’s principal investigator. Nemeroff collected, but mostly did not disclose, about $2 million from pharmaceutical companies that, in some cases, produced the products he was using in his research.

According to Avi Markowitz, cancer research chair and professor at the University of Texas Medical Branch’s Comprehensive Cancer Center, and also the associate clinical director of oncology clinical trials there, those high-profile cases are not indicative of a widespread ethical problem in medicine or medicine-related industry.

“There’s a normal distribution of human behavior,” said Markowitz, who sympathizes with Stossel’s cause and is slated to speak at the charter ACRE meeting in July. “You’re going to have sleazy people here and there. Are regulations going to stop these people? No. But that should be caught if you have appropriate disclosure.

“Frankly the stuff at Harvard,” he continued, “I don’t know how that stuff can happen and people not know. The way to deal with that is not to say that [doctors] can’t [work at all with industry]. The appropriate response is, who was supervising them and didn’t catch it? Or did, but didn’t do something about it?”

Moving beyond disclosure requirements to bans on certain physician-industry relations, though, is exactly the direction some officials are moving -- which Stossel sees as a slippery slope to "totalitarianism" in medicine. Vermont passed a law this June that, along with requiring drug and medical device makers to publicly disclose the amounts of money given to health care providers and the names of those providers, will ban nearly all industry gifts to doctors, nurses, medical staff, pharmacists, health plan administrators and health care facilities.

While Vermont’s law is certainly more stringent than most, other states have similar rules on the books: Minnesota requires pharmaceutical companies to report payments to doctors and Massachusetts, as of last year, limits the kinds and amounts of gifts health care providers can receive (with mandatory disclosure of payments over $50).

Apart from state-mandated regulations, university membership groups are endorsing stricter federal requirements for biomedical research -- the Association of American Universities and the Association of American Medical Colleges in June recommended that the government up reporting requirements for those involved in biomedical research -- and individual institutions are adding their own regulations as well. The University of Wisconsin, for example, recently began requiring its doctors to fully disclose specific dollar amounts of payments received from industry-related activity -- replacing a prior policy that allowed for payments exceeding $20,000 to be reported just that way.

For Stossel, the more minor regulations regarding doctors’ acceptance, for example, of pens and meals -- the “low-hanging fruit” -- is where the regulation trend started, but has grown egregiously in a way that is “disrespectful” to physicians and industry alike.

“The pens, the meals, who’s going to fall on their sword for that?” he said. “But when that’s done, now you’ve admitted you have a corruption problem.”

But what’s more important, he says, is that “influence, on balance” is not detrimental to patient care. “For me as a patient,” he said, “when some surgeon is up to her elbows in my abdomen, I don’t care who’s paying her, I just want her to be good.”

And as far as making doctors -- and their tools -- better, Stossel contends, physician-industry partnerships are beneficial because “in order for doctors to be on the cutting edge, they need to be close to business.” Most of the recent major positive advancements in science and medicine -- discovery and development of new medications and new medical devices -- have been gained in part from industry, Stossel said.

And not only that, Markowitz said, but the research done through industry-sponsored trials is often even more rigorous and vetted than research done through trials outside of industry presence. Markowitz shared a story about a small mistake in dosage in one of his patient trials being conducted under the purview of the National Cancer Institute -- something that was not harmful to the patient, but negatively impacted trial efficiency. “Those little things will happen” in trials that are both industry-sponsored and not, he said, but they are more likely to be quickly caught and corrected under industry’s watchful eye where “the scrutiny and manpower is so much greater.”

Those behind the movement toward tighter regulation on relationships between medicine and industry generally acknowledge the societal benefits of such partnerships, but also claim, as an April report by the Institute of Medicine points out, that “[s]uch conflicts present the risk of undue influence on professional judgments and thereby may jeopardize the integrity of scientific investigations, the objectivity of medical education, the quality of patient care, and the public’s trust.”

While Stossel calls the IOM’s justifying evidence simply speculative, Bernard Lo -- chair of the committee that produced the institute's conflict of interest report, and a professor of medicine and director of the program in medical ethics for the University of California at San Francisco -- cites “carefully reviewed empirical evidence” as the backbone of the institute’s regulation recommendations.

“In medical research, there are numerous documented examples of bias in research design and reporting associated with industry sponsorship of clinical trials. In clinical care, there are studies suggesting that use of drug samples and attendance at drug company presentations is associated with prescribing that is inconsistent with evidence-based practice guidelines and with the physician’s own preferred prescribing choices,” Lo said in an e-mail, adding that participation of medical school faculty in speakers’ bureaus, at least where content is provided solely by industry sponsors and not analyzed by the faculty, might also undermine the mission of academic health centers to teach critical thinking and independent appraisal of evidence.

“The evidence overall is suggestive rather than definitive,” Lo said, “but addressing conflicts of interest is a matter of preventing undue influence, bias, and loss of public trust, rather than trying to remediate proven cases of bias.”

But for those in Stossel’s camp, including Markowitz -- who will present at ACRE’s charter conference on the value of collaboration between medicine and industry -- what the IOM report suggests is that doctors should be presumed guilty until proven innocent.

“There has been a McCarthy-style witch hunt going on here. I believe the standard should be that you’re innocent until proven guilty,” Markowitz said. “Can I tell you everybody is on the up and up? No. But there are people in every profession who will behave dishonorably, and no rules anywhere will stop those people from doing that.”

The most egregious cases making recent headlines -- the Nemeroffs and Biedermans -- are not excusable, Markowitz said, but are bound to happen with or without more extensive regulation of the physician-industry relationship. Bad apples are a fact of life, he said.

Where the two camps -- those who would call physician-industry relationships conflicts of interest and those who might not -- might find room for compromise is in financial disclosure guidelines. The IOM’s report called for doctors to report their industry-related earnings as an essential “first step” in identifying and responding to conflicts. While the IOM goes further in suggesting restrictions on the ways doctors ought be allowed to collaborate with industry, and Stossel and Markowitz mostly cringe at those recommendations, that first step of financial disclosure is generally not in dispute.

Both Stossel and Markowitz said they have drawn income from industry-related activity -- Stossel added he’d be happy to disclose the figure if “we level the playing field by publicizing the salaries, bonuses and board fees of academic administrators and high-profile medical journal editors who are demanding or making the disclosure and prohibition rules.” Stossel did say that he has advised biotech companies, participated in speaking engagements and has “licensed to a company and made money” off his research. “That’s what I went into this business to do, to do something creative to help patients,” he said.

Henry Black, clinical professor at the New York University Langone Medical Center and another speaker slated for ACRE's July conference, said full disclosure is "perfectly fine" -- that patients could decide for themselves if industry-related income implies bias -- but that now, because of a heightened public attack on conflicts of interest, "people assume if you get any money you're dirty."

Markowitz, who said that over the course of a quarter century he’s worked with a majority of the major players in pharmaceutical development, fully supports financial disclosure requirements (on top of his $350,000 salary, Markowitz said he’s made as much as $30,000 in a year from work with industry, while in most years he collected half that). Speaking freely about his non-salary income, Markowitz did add a caveat: “If you want me to do it, shouldn’t you make the politicians do it? The journalists?”

Markowitz also added that an arbitrary cap on how much a physician can receive is unreasonable. If a physician is accurately reporting his industry-related income, Markowitz said, the level of scrutiny of that doctor’s relations will naturally intensify with higher reported amounts.

It’s far from dirty money, Stossel says -- in fact, he added, he takes a biannual trip to a remote village in Zambia to see about a thousand people in need of health care: “And I can afford to go because of my ill-gotten commercial gains.”

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Comments on Conflict With My Interests

  • What is good for healthcare providers is good for politicians
  • Posted by Ted Pate , Professor Integrative Biology and Pharmacology at UTHSC Houston Medical School on July 10, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • In order to avoid conflicts of interest, we are formulating policies that prohibit healthcare educators and providers from receiving money and gifts from industry. Shouldn't politicians have the same restrictions? If they were not able to receive money and gifts from industry, we would end up with much better and more responsive legislation. Maybe Senator Grassley should propose those same types of restrictions for his fellow politiciians.

  • Ted is right. . .
  • Posted by Amy de Rosa on July 10, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • . . . as is Stossel when he uses the term 'totalitarian' to describe the government intervention in physician-industry relations.

    Our representatives in Washington have forgotten that rules apply to them too and that they're citizens just like everybody else.

  • Posted by Chris on July 10, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • "Stossel added he’d be happy to disclose the figure if 'we level the playing field by publicizing the salaries, bonuses and board fees of academic administrators and high-profile medical journal editors who are demanding or making the disclosure and prohibition rules.'”

    If they're at a public institution, their salry information is already available.

  • Politicians have to disclose!
  • Posted by John Farley on July 10, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • Many politicians in fact fill out financial disclosure forms. Political campaigns have to report campaign contributions. Much of this information is available online, and reporters can write that candidate X is a paid-for shill for the Y lobby, based on that information.

  • GENERATION RX
  • Posted by Kevin P. Miller , Director on July 10, 2009 at 2:15pm EDT
  • Stossel says there's a "witch hunt" going on. Oh really, other than Biederman, Karen Wagner and a few others out of MILLIONS of doctors and researchers, name others who have been victimized by this "witch hunt."

    This is self-serving pablum. THE FACT IS that at least 56% of the panel members on the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders) had ties to the drug industry — and had received fees DIRECTLY from the very people and organizations whose drugs they were approving. Now we see that many of those drugs should not have been approved — or at least not without serious safeguards. Stossel doesn't seem to get that his work — and the conflicts-of-interests by his brethren — have the potent to kill people...and DO indeed kill people.

    One needs look no farther than the quackery of overusing ADHD, Bipolar and other powerful psychiatric medicines on children, as I explore in great detail in my film, GENERATION RX. Say what you will, the conflicts are more than unethical...they are often criminal.

    And don't preach to me about the 1000 children in Zambia that you so graciously afforded healthcare to, Mr. Stossel. How about trying Appalachia, like Dr. John Abramson did, or somewhere else in the US? Whether your "gains" are "ill-gotten" or not, I will never trust the research and medical communities to police themselves.

    The days of believing in doctors as a humanitarian lot are WAY behind us now — and sadly, never to return.

  • Politicians Do More Than Disclose
  • Posted by Mike Hickerson on July 10, 2009 at 2:15pm EDT
  • John Farley is right: politicians disclose all sorts of information about their income. Federal officials go even further, with specific limits on what kind of income and how much they can earn while in office:

    http://www.rules.house.gov/Archives/jcoc2ag.htm

    Federal politicians with extensive stock holdings (like Al Gore, Bill Frist, or Dick Cheney) will also put their stock portfolios into blind trusts while they are in office, to prevent the appearance they are making laws that favor companies they own. I expect that most state governments have similar rules. (Remember how Caroline Kennedy balked at the US Senate seat in NY when she found out she would have to declare her financial holdings to the NY legislature?) Sure, politicians are just as slimy as the rest of us, but Markowitz needs to get his facts straight.

    Stossel is a professor at Harvard, but needs extra income to volunteer in Africa? Good for him for giving back to the less fortunate, but his reasoning is pretty weak. I know people who go on short-term aid trips all the time, and none of them receive supplemental payments from pharmaceutical companies. Let's not confuse two unrelated issues.

  • Remember when mommy taught "drug pusher = bad?"
  • Posted by Karenski27 at UNM on July 10, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • Mommy should now add: "All drug pushers = bad, not just illegal ones. Legal drug pushers VERY dangerous!" So I'm with the others on this post in believing that it is not only naive to expect an industry to police themselves when there's so much potential to make HUGE amounts of money BUT we MUST police them because they can also KILL us when they are NOT policed!

    What is it that Dr. Stossel said: "But what’s more important, ...is that “influence, on balance” is not detrimental to patient care. “For me as a patient,” he said, “when some surgeon is up to her elbows in my abdomen, I don’t care who’s paying her, I just want her to be good.” Well, as a patient, I disagree: I GREATLY care if she is so influenced by a drug manufacturer that she uses only what they "push" rather than what's best for me and my surgery. I don't think the good doctor cares what we patients want so long as he is able to line his pockets with undue influence and that is exactly what we patients find extremely scarey. I don't want a drug pusher practicing medicine on me, I want a doctor NOT UNDER THE INFLUENCE practicing medicine, using their best unbiased knowlege to "first do no harm" to me, and that is what is getting lost in this discussion. I don't think modern medicine takes that rule to heart any longer. I think the current medical mantra is more like "oh well, you have to break a few eggs..." Well, if it's me or my loved ones, they are NOT eggs, but people whom I DEMAND the medical industry NOT HARM!

    As for politicians, I believe the money big Agra and big Pharma are throwing around is too HUGE for them to be able to police themselves, either, so yeah, full disclosure and tight conflict of interest scrutiny over them, too. When the legal drug pushers have this much power and influence, the consumer is the one to get hurt. We consumers need to put tighter controls on ALL who can be influenced by them (doctors, politicians, etc.) who are in a position to harm citizens. I think the days of trusting people to do the right thing are WAY over!

  • Conflict of Interest
  • Posted by Stan Dundon , Professor Emeritus at Califiornia State University, Sacramento on July 10, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
  • My field is History and Philosophy of Science. It dismays me that the testimony pro and con industry/academic ties fails to focus on the real danger. Disclosure is an obvious absolute. But the problem is influence on the direction, not the content, of science. Mertonian inspired research has shown this danger to be real. For kids with learning problems, how often do we find research in which a drug company pays to go head to head against a behavioral or family-intervention counseling approach? Why would they? They make money on the drug paradigm.
    Secondly, the drug firms have supported, in fact promoted, court decisions stating that firms have no obligation to orient their product development in the best interest of patients. They have a legal right to act simply as profit generating institutions. No doctor working with them could complain if it were reveal to him/her that the company knew a more effective or equally effective but safer cure is available but hidden by the company because of potential to damage the profit margin of the company. When I suggested to my own MD father that he hire a nurse and charge enough to cover her salary and office space to oversee a diet and exercise routine for overweight patients (many at risk for diabetes) and require those coming to him for diet pills (amphetamines in those days) to utilize the nurse's program for a specified time before pills would be prescribed, he objected: "I'm not a gym coach!" The whole image of the profession has been affected. Professional prudence requires total absence of attachment to any given tool or route to a cure or protection of health other than the judgment of its potential to serve the well being of the patient. A patient places trust in that prudence implicitly. If someone were holding my heart in his hands, I would be very concerned to learn that he simply had a best friend who sold stents or valves or cath-lab equipment. I would be terrified to learn he made money by his choice of supplies.

  • Responding to Chris
  • Posted by Steven Clark at University of Wisconsin on July 11, 2009 at 8:30pm EDT
  • "Stossel added he’d be happy to disclose the figure if 'we level the playing field by publicizing the salaries, bonuses and board fees of academic administrators and high-profile medical journal editors who are demanding or making the disclosure and prohibition rules.'”

    "If they're at a public institution, their salry information is already available."

    Stossel is at Harvard, a private institution. So, you would agree that he shouldn't have to disclose his industry support?

  • Who's paying ACRE's bills?
  • Posted by Jack Friday on July 12, 2009 at 5:45am EDT
  • Rockpointe dont come cheap!