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July 13, 2009

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ANDREWS AFB -- Asked if she's heard much about the new, Post-9/11 GI Bill, Senior Airman Jessica Gage laughed. “I’ve heard lots of things.”

“A lot of what you hear is hearsay and that’s why I wanted to come to the briefing, to clear up some of the rumors, you could say.”

When it comes to potential users of the new GI Bill, which goes into effect in August, just about everybody has a question. And everybody’s is different.

“Post-9/11 is different for everybody. That’s why it’s so complicated,” said Terri Bedford, the guidance counselor at Andrews Air Force Base, in Maryland, where she's been giving a series of briefings on the GI Bill. “Chapter 30” – the existing Montgomery GI Bill -- “it was one size fits all. It was the same for everybody. Now this one, Post-9/11, it’s different for every person.”

"All the way from A1Cs" -- airmen first-class -- to "colonels, it's amazing. It affects everyone so differently."

Under the Montgomery GI Bill, the base educational benefit, paid directly to the veteran, is set at $1,321 per month, no matter where veterans attend college or what they study (a veteran could have participated in a “buy-up” to earn extra benefits, but by and large the benefit is a “cookie-cutter” one, as Bedford put it).

The value of the Post-9/11 GI Bill, though, is based on a multitude of variables. Most obviously, because the base tuition benefit is tied to the highest undergraduate resident tuition charged in a state, location matters – and in fact it really, really matters. The maximum tuition benefit payable ranges from $0 per credit hour in the case of California (a quirk of semantics since California's public colleges technically don’t charge tuition, but “fees,” or tuition by another name), to $71.50 per credit hour in Massachusetts, $558.08 per credit hour in Illinois, $970 per credit hour in New York, to a high of $1,333 per credit hour in New York. The maximum fees payable per term vary dramatically too, from $470 in Mississippi to a whopping $43,035 in Colorado (inflated due to an expensive aviation program).

The tuition and fee benefit is money that goes to the college under the new Post-9/11 GI Bill, but a housing allowance will come directly to the veteran – and that will vary by location, too, based on the military’s housing allowance for a particular zip code.

But that’s just the beginning. It’s pretty straightforward if a veteran wants to attend an undergraduate public university program in-state – it will be paid for – but if he or she wants to attend a private college or a public college out-of-state, other variables kick in. Does the college participate in the Yellow Ribbon Program, meaning has it entered into an agreement with the federal government to match a portion of the difference between the base benefit and the total tuition and fees charged? If the college is participating, at what level? What proportion of charges is the college pledging to cover – half the difference (with the VA covering the other half), or much less than that? How many students will the college make Yellow Ribbon payments for – two (in which case, will you be one of the two)? Or 200 or 20,000?

Other variables come into play too. For instance, if veterans are doing distance learning full-time, they don't get a housing allowance under the Post-9/11 GI Bill. In these cases, and others, veterans are weighing whether the Post-9/11 GI Bill or Montgomery GI Bill will be a better deal for them. The Department of Veterans Affairs' Web site lists a whole range of factors veterans should consider in deciding which benefit to use. Among them: "Which benefit pays you more? What Post-9/11 GI Bill tier are you eligible for? Are you receiving other aid? Will entitlement to that aid change? What type of training will you pursue (i.e. bachelor’s degree, flight training, on-the-job, etc.)?"

“I’m telling them, ‘Do your math,' ” said Bedford. A total of 81 people signed in for her recent briefing on the GI Bill; the room had seats for 40, so she gave her talk twice. All the better to fill in so many people at once. "It actually takes an hour to brief someone on this."

"It is complex, but what I see is people hesitant to go to the [VA] Web site" and do their research, Bedford said.

“They can do this. It just takes time, and it takes effort on their part.”

Many people at Andrews are asking questions about their new ability to transfer GI Bill benefits to spouses and children. “I’ve been waiting for something like this," said Chaplain Maj. Richard Black. “It’s really a gift to my son," now age 9.

Tech. Sgt. Latasha Turner, meanwhile, separates from the Air Force August 10. She’s starting a program in dental hygiene at Virginia Commonwealth University this fall, and will be using the Post-9/11 GI Bill benefit as a Virginia resident to get tuition covered. “It’s new. I’m just trying to figure out the ins and outs of it,” she said.

Of course, other potential Post-9/11 GI Bill users are already enrolled in college. Derek Blumke, co-founder and president of Student Veterans of America (and a senior at the University of Michigan) worries that some veterans are making the irrevocable choice to switch from the Montgomery to Post-9/11 GI Bill program without really evaluating which is the better financial deal for them. “It’s such a case-by-case benefit; each individual has to do the math,” said Blumke, who described counseling a student last week who actually found that, because of his specific circumstances, the older Montgomery GI Bill program was worth an extra $20,000 to him.

The VA expects a 20 to 25 percent increase in GI Bill participation in the first year, said Keith Wilson, director of the VA’s education service. The projection is based on participation last year, plus estimates of a potential new pool of people who will be eligible through the transfer of benefits provision (intended as a retention incentive, service members who have spent six years in the military can transfer their GI Bill benefits to spouses and children if they commit to another four).

“It’s certainly new territory for us," Wilson said of the ability to transfer benefits. "Historically, nationally, we have no experience administering a program that is referred to as the GI Bill that has eligibility for such a large segment of people that are not veterans. We would expect it to change the nature of how the program is used, but we don’t have any good understanding at this point yet how that nature will change.”

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Comments on GI Bill Math

  • It's bad math, and worse law
  • Posted by Scott on July 13, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • This brief article is a good reflection of a piece of woefully bad legislation; and worse, it underscores the point that Congress simply did not do its homework in the case of the Post 9/11 GI Bill. On the one hand, the fact that the provisions are so complicated as to be a challenge even for the Veterans Administration to understand - much less clearly articulate to those who it serves - is a classic example of legislative mishmash. The authors of the bill obviously didn’t have a clear sense of what they were actually proposing, and the Congress passed on its responsibility for due diligence, leaving the VA to try and interpret not only the literal terms of the bill, but Congressional intent behind it.

    Secondly, and perhaps most egregious, is the fact that the Yellow Ribbon program is an entitlement that will enable relatively few, highly qualified individuals to attend a private college or university at taxpayer expense, and potentially great ($20 – $40K) expense per year. Ironically, the vast majority of service members are taking college classes on-line, but as veterans, that cohort won’t even be entitled to a basic living allowance (less than $12K per year) if they choose to continue their education on-line. In proposing the original GI Bill in 1944, then President Roosevelt made it clear that a living allowance was an essential cornerstone of his vision, and that such an allowance was appropriate regardless of how or where a veteran was getting an education or training. All subsequent iterations of the GI bill reflected this original vision, but the 110th Congress dropped the ball with the Post 9/11 GI Bill. It is now up to the 111th to either fix it, or run the risk of promoting a two-class veterans educational program – one program (Yellow Ribbon) for the few, academically strong, who qualify for elite, expensive colleges, and another for those who may not be as well prepared going in, and who will have to choose between supporting their families or attending college. I will not be personally affected either way, but I am confident that when the rank and file among our veterans finishes “doing the math,” the sum will point to a gross injustice to literally millions of them, and I sure hope they vote.

  • No second guesses allowed
  • Posted by Randy Plunkett , National Director of Military Affairs at DeVry University on July 13, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • From the onset, many advocates for veterans opposed the 'one time decision' aspect of the Post 9/11 GI Bill. I feel the VA is doing a fantastic job in providing as much information as possible to individuals, institutions, and legislators. In spite of taking time to assist each veteran in making a decision that best suits their situation, I still feel it is unfair for a veteran to make an irrevocable decision without the benefit of studying the experiences of others or from learning from their own experiences.

    What if someone finds that they were better off under the Montgomery GI Bill? Also, what if they base their decision on the solely input of friends, family, educational advisors, institutions, or a 'barracks lawyer'?
    I urge each veteran to call the VA for themselves; those who interact with veterans need to have the veterans contact the VA prior to making this decision. The toll free call connects one to a friendly VA staff member who will take the time to sort out details. It is worth investing time in this endeavor, as the decision may have positive benefits or negative repercussions that last a lifetime.

    I urge each veteran and those who interact with veterans to have the individual contact the VA prior to making this decision. The toll free call connects one to a friendly VA staff member who will take the time to sort out details. It is worth investing time in this endeavor, as the decision may have lifelong positive benefits or negative repercussions.

  • The new G.I.Bill
  • Posted by Ron H , Retired Manager at AT&T/U.S.Navy on July 13, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • As a veteran and enthusiastic supporter of our military personnel, I watch with interest as the new benefits bill fully impacts our troops and their families. I took advantage of the educational benefits of the former veterans package many years ago, and continue to watch the vacilations of the congress and the White House as they legislate on behalf of our troops. The new G.I.Bill must have been one of those that no one read before the vote or they would have done it differently. I agree with Ms. Redden and "Scott" that this bill is too complex and goes way beyond reason in anticipating the needs of our men and women in uniform. If no one can understand it, how can they make a judicious decision whether to participate...worse yet, it will keep some individuals from participating if they aren't comfortable with the benefits, and risks, involved.

    For example, there is one item strikes me as typical of the lack of careful consideration taken during the creation of this bill. Technology has advanced so quickly that there are a number of options open to today's veterans that were unheard of in my generation. In addition, the changing financial climate facing these folks should have been given careful consideration. However, this new legislation specifically excludes housing benefits for those veterans who choose to use one of the many reputable and cost-effective on-line universities that have become prevalent in recent years. The financial and functional benefits these institutions offer is completely negated for those veterans who choose to (forced to?) work and/or live in a location dictated by job opportunity or housing prices, or both.

    I hope that veterans and their families make a strong and consistent effort with their legislators to correct the inconsistencies and complexities of this bill. It shouldn't have passed in this form to begin with.

  • Posted by Justin on July 14, 2009 at 11:30am EDT
  • Read the end of this sentence carefully: "The maximum tuition benefit payable ranges from $0 per credit hour in the case of California (a quirk of semantics since California's public colleges technically don’t charge tuition, but “fees,” or tuition by another name), to $71.50 per credit hour in Massachusetts, $558.08 per credit hour in Illinois, $970 per credit hour in New York, to a high of $1,333 per credit hour in New York."

    What's up with New York?!? Is the first figure actually for another state -- say, New Jersey? I don't see how there can be two different numbers for NY.

  • New GI Bill Leaves out Full Time Sailors
  • Posted by Matthew Merricks , Post 9/11 GI Bill at US Navy Retired on July 14, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • Why did the VA leave out FTS Sailors. I served full time. Recieved the Southeast Asia service medal and Kawati Ribbon for my service during the Gulf War. Retired in 2005 with no GI BILL. The same sailors I training during thier 90 day recall to service is getting a full ride in education benefits. I recently was laid off from my job. No formal education to compete in today's work force. I feel like my 22 years of service is not being valued. When did 90 days of service became more valuable than 22 years of continue faithful serve FULL TIME. Who will fight for us? We maintain the reserve ships and naval stations, so that in time of war our reserve forces are ready to fight.

    Navy Full Time Support (FTS) sailors are members of the Navy Reserves who perform full-time active duty, receiving the same pay, allowances, and benefits as active duty members.

    The purpose of the Full Time Support (FTS) program is to train and administer the Navy Reserve. It is open to both male and female personnel. Enlisted FTS personnel serve in demanding billets both at sea and ashore, providing the support necessary to prepare Navy Reservists to deploy when needed. The primary advantage of FTS over regular active duty is that FTS folks generally spend longer at a single location (they are not re-assigned as often), and there are Navy reserve bases available to be stationed at that are not normally available for active duty sailors.

    Enlisted FTS personnel may be assigned to operational units (such as Navy Reserve Force ships and Reserve air squadrons), shore activities (like Navy Operational Support Centers), and majore shore commands (such as the Chief of Naval Operations, Navy Personnel Command, and the Navy Reserve Forces Command)

  • Typo
  • Posted by Jon , Student on July 14, 2009 at 11:15pm EDT
  • Yes, Justin, it's a typo. The $1,333 figure most likely applies to Texas, not New York. Incidentally, New York's figure is up to $1,010 as I type this.

  • I agree
  • Posted by Mike K. at I would seek help on July 18, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • Mathew, I agree with you. If the Post 9/11 does not cover FTS, I would seek help from your elected official. But, be sure that it does not cover you. Its up to us veterans to ensure that our voices are heard. I severed 21 years in the AF, and after retirement have a longer reserve time than someone that has spent 4 years in the AF, why? that does not make much sense either.