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August 3, 2009

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Few parts of their jobs seem to annoy professors more than grading. The topic consumes gripe sessions, blog posts and creates plenty of professorial angst (not to mention student angst).

Cathy Davidson has decided that the best way to change grading is to take herself out of it. Davidson, a Duke University English professor, announced on her blog last week that she was going to give students the power to earn A's or some other grade based on a simple formula in which she wouldn't play much of a role.

"I loved returning to teaching last year after several years in administration ... except for the grading," she wrote on her blog. "I can't think of a more meaningless, superficial, cynical way to evaluate learning than by assigning a grade. It turns learning (which should be a deep pleasure, setting up for a lifetime of curiosity) into a crass competition: how do I snag the highest grade for the least amount of work? how do I give the prof what she wants so I can get the A that I need for med school? That's the opposite of learning and curiosity, the opposite of everything I believe as a teacher, and is, quite frankly, a waste of my time and the students' time. There has to be a better way...."

Her approach? "So, this year, when I teach 'This Is Your Brain on the Internet,' I'm trying out a new point system. Do all the work, you get an A. Don't need an A? Don't have time to do all the work? No problem. You can aim for and earn a B. There will be a chart. You do the assignment satisfactorily, you get the points. Add up the points, there's your grade. Clearcut. No guesswork. No second-guessing 'what the prof wants.' No gaming the system. Clearcut. Student is responsible."

That still leaves the question of determining whether students have done the work. Here again, Davidson plans to rely on students. "Since I already have structured my seminar (it worked brilliantly last year) so that two students lead us in every class, they can now also read all the class blogs (as they used to) and pass judgment on whether they are satisfactory. Thumbs up, thumbs down," she writes.

"If not, any student who wishes can revise. If you revise, you get the credit. End of story. Or, if you are too busy and want to skip it, no problem. It just means you'll have fewer ticks on the chart and will probably get the lower grade. No whining. It's clearcut and everyone knows the system from day one. (btw, every study of peer review among students shows that students perform at a higher level, and with more care, when they know they are being evaluated by their peers than when they know only the teacher and the TA will be grading)."

Several of those posting comments on Davidson's blog expressed support for her approach or outlined similar strategies they had tried or wanted to try.

One post, "Never underestimate grade orientation," noted a caution. "I can see this working with a small course. I tried something similar several years ago at Buffalo. My mistake was to make it a 'curved' class (though only a positive curve). Two 'gangs' (one a group of fraternity brothers, the other just people who met and formed up) reached an agreement that they would vote up each others' work no matter what, and non-members' work down, no matter what, in order to increase their own grade in the class favorably, and hurt others' grades. I wrote it up a little here. When I intervened, I got complaints: I had set up the rules, several said, if I didn't like the outcome, how was it their fault."

Another posting describes a more successful attempt of a similar approach: "I've done something like this with my big undergrad class, 'Intersections: Race, Gender & Sexuality in US History,' for years now. They do all the work, at a 'good faith' level of quality (earning a check from their TA), show up on time to all classes and participate in discussion sections -- they get an A. Grades scale down from there. The greatest thing about it is that many students without previous educational privilege *love* it and often do extremely well when not being judged in the usual way -- reading a book a week, writing response papers every week, and ultimately participating at grad student level. Entitled students who try to skate by on a good prose style do not like it at all."

In an e-mail interview, Davidson said her announcement represents more than her personal distaste for grading as we know it. Rather, her views relate to ideas she explores in her forthcoming book (from Viking Press next year), The Rewired Brain: The Deep Structure of Thinking for the Information Age.

"Many of us are frustrated with grading as presently, historically constructed and are finding a mismatch between the kinds of learning happening on the Internet (from a 5-year-old customizing her Pokemon onward) and the rigid forms of assessment that has become the hallmark of formal education, K-12 and beyond, in the late 20th and now the 21st century. In an era when customizing, process, collaboration, and learning from mistakes are hallmark, when we are all having to revise how we think about the human desire to work together towards a goal -- whether a Wikipedia entry or a Netflix software competition -- we are saddled with a Machine Age model of assessment which is as rigid, reductive, uncreative, and uncollaborative as we can imagine. We know from early childhood studies that if you tell an American toddler 'here comes the teacher,' he sits up straight, looks up, shuts up, and stops smiling. That is not the kind of teacher I want to be. But by the time young people enter college, they have cordoned off 'education' into 'grading.' "

Her approach to grading, Davidson said, "encourages students to rethink everything they've learned about grading within higher education and encourages them to think about how you evaluate quality and performance -- not for a grade but for the respect of one's peers and one's own self-respect. This is one of the important skills of the 21st century."

She stressed that she's not abandoning the role of grading, but having students take ownership of the task in a way that shows that "evaluation, in a serious way, is part of collaborative, interactive creativity. Right now, we have an educational system that encourages 'teaching to the test.' That's appalling as a learning philosophy and a total waste of precious learning time and opportunities in the digital age."

Whatever the results of her grading approach, Davidson is in a secure position -- as a highly regarded, tenured professor at a leading university -- to try something new. She acknowledged that there would be additional issues for a junior professor or non-tenure-track instructor taking this idea, but said that they shouldn't rule it out. And she noted problems with continuing with the status quo.

"One never knows what one can get away with pre-tenure and that is why I tell all of my students to make their department chairs partners in anything they do, from the most traditional to the most experimental -- and to keep a paper trail. That is, write to set up a meeting to explain one's pedagogical philosophy in a case like this, send it to your chair, ask to meet with the chair, discuss it, and then write a follow-up note thanking the chair for the meeting, recapping it, and giving her or him credit for any changes you've made in the syllabus (for example) and then send a copy of the revised syllabus. That is a helpful process for everyone involved as well as a wonderful addition to one's tenure portfolio," she said.

"Who wouldn't want a teacher who thinks seriously and deeply about what teaching means? I don't believe anything is risky if it is well thought out and well communicated. I happen to believe that just about everything is risky (including playing by the rules) without careful intention and careful communication."

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  • King/Queen has no clothes
  • Posted by Carlos on August 3, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • In a field known mostly for endless (and endless) critiquing -- the absurd is unmasked. How does one objectively "grade" the "quality" of "endless critiques?" Volume? Speed? Style? Number of citations? The mind is boggled.

    Most important grading evaluation -- future employers. And many employers are unhappy with the technical abilities displayed -- grammar, spelling, style-book accuracy, structure, logic.

    Will students attempt to 'game' this system? Is Coach K, a god in Durham? Of course.

  • Groupthink Is Not The Answer
  • Posted by Jeffrey Cass , Dean, Arts and Sciences at University of Louisiana at Monroe on August 3, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • Professor Davidson has decided to get out of "grading" and let the students essentially grade themselves. The collaborations of the class, the blogs, the readings, and the assignments are given over to the students to complete and evaluate (and, oh yes, the teaching assistants overseeing with their "check mark"). She has reduced her role to "teaching" and not to enter the fray of messy assessment and oversight because that would interfere with students' learning. She argues that students respond better to a system that encourages their interactive creativity. The worldly paragons of this process are Netflix software competitions and Wikipedia entries. The only worry apparently for junior faculty is not whether or not this is an effective system, but whether or not one's tenure might be affected. So what is it that Professor Davidson has left to do? Provide students with her pearls of wisdom? I'm certain many students love this system, but, as unpleasant as it is, oversight and evaluation are vital to our job. Holding students accountable is part of what we do. That doesn't necessarily mean teaching to the test, or even having tests per se, but it does mean that professors have to assess, evaluate, and score assignments. And the students have to know that. They can be involved in the process, certainly, but I would argue that many of the student problems I see derive from students' individual inability to think critically and write well by themselves, not their ability to collaborate and participate in creative groupthink. Sorry to say, "grading," however one conceives it, is integral to the fulfillment of our professional responsibilities. And we have to be there to take the hits because they will come.

  • how to go!
  • Posted by fred lapides , retired on August 3, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • Moral: become administrator. Get tenure. Find students to do your job and relax with the tenure you take to your new role. Why not have students teach? decide what to read. Mark up papers and give themselves grades. Then spend free time if not in publishing in your field at least in updating your blog daily.

  • Getting Out of Grading?
  • Posted by david falcone , psychology at La Salle University on August 3, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • I have been using a system that overlaps with Cathy Davidson's system for years. Some differences but they share a clear description or profile of what constitutes an A, B, C, etc. Where we differ significantly, however, is in the "grading" of materials by students as an alternative to being graded by the teacher. For me it really isn't the grade, reading all those papers and providing comments, is not "meaningless, superficial, and cynical". It is a real opportunity to meet the students and their work regularly and to get personally involved in their work. I think students, among other things, appreciate that.

  • Parody?
  • Posted by CTMathewes on August 3, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • Is this a parody? I'm not sure.

    For my classes (humanities) it is ALWAYS clear what people need to do to get a grade. And I use a pretty straightforward metric to organize my evaluation of their written work (conception, execution, mechanics, structure, style). I hand out that evaluation metric as a "key" in the first class. In classes under 25 people, when I hand back work, I don't put a grade on the paper, but simply assess the overall paper in words and then give a one-sentence max evaluation of the paper in terms of those five criteria. When the students want to know the grade they earned, they can normally figure it out from applying my comments to the key. When I hand back the first paper, I also hand back a copy of a solid "A" paper (or the best that was produced). Sometimes I have had the students, as a separate but simultaneous assignment, evaluate one another's papers (double-blind). This gives them the chance to learn what a reader sees in a paper, and also to see how another student thought about the assignment.

    It's really not that mysterious or random. It's just a matter of putting in the work to find a successful way to get people to think about grading not as a metaphysical assessment of their souls, but as a device for figuring out what they're doing well and what they could do better. To ditch grading is simply to deny that assessment happens, which is a lie. (See Lindsay Waters ENEMIES OF PROMISE on this.)

  • Reconditioning
  • Posted by Doug Robinson , Professor of English at University of Mississippi on August 3, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • Yeah, I tried this for several years in the mid-nineties. I found it worked wonderfully--the first time I tried it. The students worked much harder than they ever would have for a grade, and enjoyed the learning experience more, and told me later it was the best class they took in college. But the next semester it worked worse, and it kept working worse and worse for the three or so years I used the system. I kept tweaking it, trying to find a way to restore its original success; but no luck.

    I finally realized what was going on: word was out that my class was an "easy A," and it was attracting all the laziest students. I invariably had one or two motivated students who were there for the novel learning experience, and then a whole slew of slackers who wanted to coast.

    Some of those slackers also came back and talked to me about the class later. Typically they said things like "I realized some time just before the end of the semester what a fantastic opportunity you'd given us to really learn something, and enjoy it, but by then it was too late." They'd been conditioned to be motivated ONLY by grades, and a single fourteen-week semester was not long enough to recondition them.

    I also asked students during the semester, when I noticed them doing the absolute bare minimum to have "done the work," why they weren't working harder. Their honest answer: "This class is pretty cool, but it's also the one class we CAN coast in. So if we have to cut back somewhere, we're going to do it where we won't get penalized for it."

    My project was an overidealistic one, I finally realized (and, gritting my teeth, went back to more traditional grading): I wanted to RELEASE my students' "natural" love of learning from the bonds in which they had been encased by fourteen or fifteen years of grade-slavery. I love to learn; hence, a love of learning is "natural"; hence, grade-based opportunism is artificial; a conditioned jail; hence, my students need to be liberated from their jails. I realized at some point that my project was actually one of reconditioning my students to be more like me--and that, while it did work in some cases, not only was a semester not a long enough reconditioning period, but the project itself was suspect.

    What's the answer? I have no idea. I do still believe in liberal education as LIBERATION, but find myself constrained by institutional inertia in the practical application of that belief.

  • Grade learning, not teaching!
  • Posted by Rod Chu , Chancellor Emeritus at Ohio Board of Regents on August 3, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • I applaud Prof. Davidson for taking the initiative to change the old grading game. However, this approach still misses the point. The ultimate objective should not be to assess effort; it should be to assess learning.

    Merely changing who assesses effort still maintains the traditional "seat time" paradigm of education. It still focuses on measuring inputs. It continues the notion that students must merely follow the instructions and they'll earn their reward. But is that the real learning objective?

    Every course ostensibly has disciplinary learning objectives. Has the student achieved these objectives? Has he/she actually learned the material, obtained the knowledge, developed the skill, honed the habits of mind? In general, has the student attained the competencies expected from taking and fully participating in the course?

    As radical as the notion of students grading their fellow students' work may seem, it's only one step towards competency-based education. Course taking should be a mutual contract, not that the educator and student will merely put in the time and effort, but that with those inputs, the student will learn and develop important knowledge and skills, attitudes and beliefs, motivation and behavior. Such a contract would require that specific learning objectives be identified, along with appropriate indicators of actual learning. Rubrics provide one approach that could be used to specify these learning indicators.

    Identifying what resulting competencies will be, course by course - and how they accumulate to represent the expected competencies required of the institution's degree - might seem like a huge amount of work. If so, perhaps it's because the institution's faculty haven't yet tackled the serious question of what does their degree really represent. Yet isn't this a real responsibility of the faculty?

    By changing the paradigm from putting in seat time to attaining competencies, faculty and students can become true partners in developing learning, understanding the importance and value of their course engagement and participation. Now that would be worth grading!

  • Great, but...
  • Posted by Math Instructor at Community College on August 3, 2009 at 8:00am EDT
  • I love that other people are also rethinking grading and pedagogy and not just accepting the status quo. This method sounds great for grading discussions and writing, especially in courses where the goal is just to get the students thinking. But what about courses that involve "facts"? I mean, as a math teacher, I would love my students to discuss the conventions of mathematics and different methods. But at the end of the day, they have to be able to solve the equation. In any course that has a sequel course, it does the students a disservice to send them on without knowing the material; they'll just fail the next course. Does this method do that?

  • Great Scheme
  • Posted by Peau de Chagrin on August 3, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • Prof. Davidson has formalized, with justifying rhetoric, the scheme used by many of my colleagues to "teach:" have students do "reports" each class—with the "value add," as our Dean likes to say, of having the students do the grading, too.

    David Lodge of our generation--Wherefore Art Thou?

  • Posted by PRT on August 3, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • I thinking having students evaluate one another's writing is a great pedagogical tool. I don't think I would ever want to reduce it to thumbs up/thumbs down, but when it comes to teaching writing, argumentation, and literary criticism, it's incredibly useful. However, students, I find, cannot evaluate or criticize each other's work on the level I want until after their own work has been subject to the same evaluation and criticism from me. There are three parts of grading (at least in English): there's the time sink of having to read all that writing, the annoyance of having to decide what letter grade goes with the writing, and the time and effort it takes to frame comments that will help the student improve. While using students' own evaluations to get rid of the first two is a nice idea, it pointedly ignores the importance of the third.

    If we are not just information dumpers, evaluating whether or not students have gotten the proper facts out of our lectures, but are actively teaching students to read, write, and think, we have to be more active in each of our students grading process than this system would have us be (at least on the surface). If grades could be separate from comments, and we dump the grades but keep the comments, maybe I would be okay with this. But students tend to ignore comments unless they are attached to a grade that tells them how to interpret those comments (not that the letter grades is supposed to serve that purpose, but it tends to be what happens in my classes).

  • Grading
  • Posted by Guido Stempel , distinguished proessor emeritus, journalism at Ohio University on August 3, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • This approach addresses a major problem of our grading process-the lack of feedback and ineraction. The prime example is the final exam. The student takes it and is informed of the grade in the course, which may or may not tell the student how he or she did on the exam. And even if the student finds out the score, that doesn't tell him or her much. This also happens in some classes on midterms. In many classes, 80% of a student's grade depends on test results that are never explained.
    It needs to be recognized that testing is not teaching.

  • Nice try, but I have two major issues
  • Posted by Rich Meitin , Director of Music Industry at Minnesota State, Mankato on August 3, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • 1) I am preparing students for real-world employment and habits of professionalism. Assessment and evaluation by bosses and other superiors is a huge part of that world. It is a disservice to students to neglect to prepare them in that regard. The trick is to make the evaluations as much like real-world evaluations as possible.

    2) For me, learning is infrequently about "Do the work satisfactorily, get the credit." It's almost always about quality of critical thinking; originality+appropriateness of ideas; insightful incorporation of the facts and issues under consideration into problem solving. Again, those are the kinds of things that gets people rewarded in the real-world.

    I see no way to avoid injecting myself into the judgments of such matters. The students largely lack the experience and perspective to make such qualitative judgments. That's why we pay teachers to do so.

    It's also up to us to make the learning infectious and exciting. Eliminating the frustrations (for some students) of being graded only addresses a tiny part of that equation.

    I give the professor an A for effort and originality of argument, and for a certain gutsiness. But an F for failure to account for real-world appropriateness and efficacy. Overall, D+, but I'm happy to accept revisions.

  • students game grades
  • Posted by KEL on August 3, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • Of course, students game grades. If any of us think about our own experiences we will have to admit that at times we did things that got us the grade whether any learning happened or not. Recently my university added plus and minus grades in part because faculty realized students, even not very good students were capable of figuring out that taking the final would not change their existing grade. So the blew it off. As long was we use numbers and formulas to create grades that will happen.

    The purpose of the professional in any field is to apply their expertise and knowledge to further the work. Thus the faculty member has a professional, ethical obligation to evaluate the work presented to them. To do so merely through a formula or by letting students pick their grade violates that professional credo. When I grade essays and papers the students get a grade supported by comments in the margins and a comment at the end. Then I convert it to a number for the computers and wonks of the academe. Do the students like this system, no! They have to think, create, and evaluate rather than follow a formula. Does it take enough time to drive my spouse nuts, yes. My reward is watching the students begin to realize that thinking is what education is about not just a bunch of facts or game strategies.

  • facts vs opinions
  • Posted by Pamela on August 3, 2009 at 10:00am EDT
  • The learning objectives, as defined by the syllabus, control the grading rubric. I took a strength of materials class. I was willing to rework each of the problems until I got it right, to earn an A. For English 101, since my class participation indicated I had mastered the grammar, I was given the option to write a 3000 word short story, edited and polished for publication. I did not publish the story, but I did enjoy writing it and I earned an A. For Chaucer, I wrote 76 lines of iambic pentameter, rhyming couplets, "The Wife of Bath's Reply to the Clerk's Tale." It was tons of fun, but I earned a B. I never understood why. Evidently creativity wasn't covered in the syllabus.

  • put in the time /get the grade
  • Posted by another math instructor , Professor at community college on August 3, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • I'm afraid this is another "put in the seat time and get the grade" scheme to students. Too many students at the community college coming directly from high schools are already in this mode. Good students will learn no matter what the instructor does. It's the students who need to learn how to be learners who will suffer. "Attend every class and get an A" is a disservice to all students.

  • Sounds like "contract grading"
  • Posted by Ken , asst prof at Furman University on August 3, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • and it isn't "new."

  • Innovation for "Deep learning" is good but...
  • Posted by Jonathan Baldwin , Programme Director, Design Studies at University of Dundee on August 3, 2009 at 11:30am EDT
  • The experiment here is creditable but I'm not sure the way it's described does it justice.

    The initial critique that traditional forms of grading encourage students to ask what they need to do to get an A is correct, but replacing it with "just do the work" is just as bad. But I don't think this is what's happening here.

    Maybe things re different in the UK but the way grading should work (here) is on the basis of a threshold. i.e. a "pass" (a D in our system) is what you get if you meet the basic assessment criteria. C, B or A are awarded for work (or rather, as someone else rightly said) learning of a higher quality.

    Under this system a D is good, an A is outstanding. But if you base grading round the reverse principle, that an A is awarded for doing exactly what we expect of you, you get diminishing returns because to many students (and non-students) a D, which is a pass, is good enough if all you need is the credit.

    So the trick is to develop an assessment strategy (not a marking strategy - that's the wrong way to think about it) which develops what's called "deep" rather than "surface" learning.

    In deep learning, the quantity of reading isn't what matters, it's the way it's used or understood, or communicated. In deep learning it's not turning up to class that matters, it's the contribution you make when you get there.

    If you’ve not already read it I recommend John Biggs's "teaching for Quality Learning at University" where he explains to concept much better and outlines the SOLO taxonomy for redesigning assessment.

    It sounds like I'm being critical of the experiment, but I'm not (I encourage things like this, and do them myself - for example I introduced a "one book book list" to get students to read more. The idea was to replace the traditional long list of books no one read with one, which everyone *would* read. What happened was that the amount of reading went up among the whole class as a result. A lot of critics accused me of dumbing down, but none have been able to criticise the results).

    What I would advise though is that the focus should not be on grading but on what grading communicates, which is quality of learning, not quantity of attendance. Make a threshold pass the benchmark - so to pass you need to attend everything and contribute to discussions, but to get a grade above pass you need to... (whatever) and to get an A you need to (something excellent).

    And run a control - e.g. a similar class in another university - run along more traditional lines and then publish the results.

    Innovation requires creativity and risk-taking, but it also demands to be written about more seriously and less sensationally. This sort of approach should be encouraged but it must be done along certain lines. I recommend "Action Research for Educational Change" by John Elliott which explores how to deliver pedagogical innovation within research-based parameters.

  • Posted by cynical & meaningless on August 3, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • I've been mulling it over and I just thought of a more meaningless, superficial, and cynical way to evaluate learning than by assigning a grade and it is by "____________."

  • Just because she's tenured doesn't mean.....
  • Posted by Hoosier Prof on August 3, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • I wonder what would happen to Prof. Davidson's salary if she were paid on the basis of how much effort she put into her teaching? Duke should nip this scam in the bud. And I hope that Prof. Davidson pays attention to the expressions of concern voiced in many of these posts -- there's some excellent advice here if she will take it.

  • Suggestive Reading
  • Posted by Terry , Adjunct, Communications Dept at Mesa College, San Diego on August 3, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • Good for Davidson's stirring the soup on grading- tisn't particularly new however tis a periodic provocative.

    Another beneficial source of ideas, promptings and pleasures for educators facing grade time is

    Teaching Tips, Twelfth Edition, Strategies, Research and Theory for College and University Teachers. by Wilbert J. McKeachie &

    Marilla Svinicki. (with chapters by several other eminents in the world of education). Houghton Mifflin Company. 2006. ISBN:0-618-51556-9

  • Grading-- It's OK because everyone does it
  • Posted by Prof Red on August 3, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • I suspect that the institutions led by some administrators who replied by touting "real world" realities of accountability and evaluation are in great trouble with assessment in accreditation. (Maybe administrators who use the term will list for us a few names of those in their institutions who are the hypothetical humans.)

    In recent years, accountability has not been a prevalent quality of business or education. If it was, few would have lost their life savings and retirements to "creative" accounting and accountants inability to see cooked books or demand disclosure. "Bernie Madoff? His books looked pretty good." The same kind of "real world" leadership is now advocating that the FED ought to have no accountability, even as it becomes more powerful than the U.S. government. Ahh--a central bank without accountability—an idea so university-like that it makes the spine tingle-- Well, "everyone is doing it." Just give the FED an A.

    Popular buy-in to a grade and get away as an assessment of substance may lie at the root of widespread lack of managerial accountability in the "real world."

    Grading fails to disclose what was learned, whether what was learned was delivery on truth-in-advertising and what students did to demonstrate learning. Grades never have been measures of substance. But it must be OK "Everyone uses them."

  • Posted on August 3, 2009 at 1:00pm EDT
  • There IS a difference between a professor teaching a class, and a wacko holding forth on a soapbox (even in the humanities): you give grades. This is how you determine who did any work, who learned anything. It is like having a police department; certainly imperfect, but it beats the alternative.

    If Ms. Davidson just wants to yammer and lead discussions, she should resign her position and head for a park or subway platform, and pass a hat for donations.

  • What is "educational privilege"?
  • Posted by ACF on August 3, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • "The greatest thing about it is that many students without previous educational privilege *love* it.... Entitled students who try to skate by on a good prose style do not like it at all."

    I am unfamiliar with the terms "educational privilege" and "entitled students." Does "educational privilege" mean students who care enough about their futures and made sure they sought the best prepatory education possibly before college? If so, don't we want classes that help those students who are on the ball? Does "entitled students" mean those students who got into college through some entitlement program like affirmative discrimination?

  • Refusing to judge is not the solution;it's the problem.
  • Posted by lindsay waters , harvard university press at harvard university on August 3, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • Nonsense. The refusal to judge is not the solution to the problem; it is the problem. See my ENEMIES OF PROMSE: PUBLISHING, PERISHING, AND THE ECLIPSE OF SCHOLARSHIP where i try to explain why I think that in the humanities judging that I like this artwork or this work of scholarly or critical writing about an artwork is the most important thing we do. To judge is to step up and use the authority I can have only when I do judge. To refuse to judge is to be like the character so poigantly portrayed in Bob Dylan's "I'm Not There" from the BASEMENT TAPES, a man whose voice trails in and out at just the moments that I as a listerner want to hear exactly what he's saying. Professor Davidson and I have been disagreeing on such matters ever since the MLA panel on scholarly publishing in 1999, which led to my 2000 publication in the PMLA, "A Modest Proposal" and to my ENEMIES book.

  • Teach to the Test
  • Posted by Mr. Iler , Instructor at UC Berkeley Extension on August 3, 2009 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Whenever I hear a someone question the concept of "teaching to the test" I always ask "if you are not teaching to the test ...then just what are you teaching too?” Teaching to the test does not limit what we do, it sets a minimum standard. Nothing prevents us from teaching more. If we don't teach to the assessment then we are simply setting our students up to fail.

    I don't believe any students signs up for my class with the intent of failing. Some students seem to choose actions that lead them in that direction - but they are rare. However, others can be set up by the instructor to fail. We can increase our student’s chance of success by;

    1. Setting clear expectations on what they need to do and how grades are determined. Ever get work back from students that was not close to what you wanted? Then perhaps they didn't know what you wanted and took their best guess. We also must remove "mystic" grading. Students should understand how the grade will be assessed on their work. Students not only rise to our expectations they tend to exceed them when they know what they are.

    2. Aligning what we teach to what the students are assessed on. Ever hear a student say "this wasn't covered in class" after taking a test? If so - then we own that. Since we design the assessment then we are responsible for covering the assessment topics in our class. Otherwise students are simply left to guess what to study and far too often they guess wrong.

    3. Get them excited about what we are teaching and learning. One way to get our students excited about learning is for us to be excited and passionate about what we are teaching and also about teaching itself. I would suggest that having grad students teach and grade your class - shows a lack of interest and passion in teaching and in the student. If we are not directly reviewing our students work and interacting with them in the classroom then how can we pssibly know how they are performing?

    If we do these three things alone - we would see a dramatic shift in the educational experience for everyone

    I too use peer grading - but limit usage to 20% of the final grade to prevent bias in the grading process. I also tell my students that I reserve the right to over ride any grade if I feel there is bias. The students set and own the standards for the per assessment (under my guidance). I have never had to over ride a grade. Peer review and grading are powerful tools - but only one of many teachers can use to help our students succeed. In the end we can make choices that help our students succeed or set them up to fail. I know which one I choose.

  • What about Math and Science
  • Posted by furmat on August 3, 2009 at 2:30pm EDT
  • As often happens, this idea may work (I am not sure) in the arts. But likely would not work at all in the sciences and technical fields.

    As a previous commentor says - if students need to take upper level courses which require they understand facts, this method likely fails.

    How often do teaching theories in this country neglect math and science?

  • Shocked
  • Posted by Pwening , Instructor Math at Heald on August 3, 2009 at 3:00pm EDT
  • I think there is a simple solution for getting out of grading.....get out of teaching. Why would any teacher want to so distance themselves from their students? Can you imagine if other professionals used this concept in their job?

    Let's see - doctor doesn't like to actually work with patients...assign that to your understudy. That will instill confidence in the medical system. Police don't like to patrol ...just let the citizens do it....no problem there. Attorney doesn't like to actually present cases in court...maybe the client can cover for them. I hope my sarcasm makes the point - but it seems to me that one of the duties of teaching is to grade student work. If you don't want to grade...find a different job. Let the people who are passionate about working with the students -which includes measuring their performance - do the job and remove those with no interest in all aspects of the teaching process from teaching. We have too many teachers who don't deserve the title and are ruining it for the the rest of us and worse damaging our students.

  • LAZYBONES!
  • Posted by Viper , Professor/English at SIU at Carbondale on August 3, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • Yes, another great idea from that haven of sanity - Duke University. It is no wonder that academia is under attack from politicians when ideas such as that are launched. She has tenure, returned from administration, and is in a cosy sinecure. However, why not relinquish tenure and then try out that system. If not and you are too damned lazy to do the work expected of you, then leave the field.

  • Quibbling with Mr. Iler
  • Posted by Henry on August 3, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • Being an academic :-) I feel duty bound to quibble with a few parts of an excellent comment.

    "Teaching to the test" is an idiom. It doesn't mean teaching relevant material, it means restricting teaching to the specific sample of the course which will be on the test. So it raises grades on the test while cheating students regarding all of the rest of the course.

    #2 I don't only test on what was covered "in class". I also test on the reading assignments and then go on, for the harder questions, to test on what the student should be able to conclude from the class and the readings.

    Finally, (and not a quibble with Mr. Iler) I suspect that in many areas (I'm thinking specifically of science and technology) the students simply don't have the advanced knowledge and judgment to award grades for each other's work.

  • Posted by WTF on August 3, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • For Pwening:

    "Let's see - doctor doesn't like to actually work with patients...assign that to your understudy. That will instill confidence in the medical system."

    Like Physician's Assistants and a plethora of Nurses? Even some office staff can get certified to give injections.

    "Police don't like to patrol ...just let the citizens do it....no problem there."

    You mean like how some towns rely on informants and citizen's watch groups to police neighborhoods because they are understaffed?

    "Attorney doesn't like to actually present cases in court...maybe the client can cover for them."

    You mean like paralegals and law school interns? And I doubt my mother was the only client of her lawyer's who had to point out all the discrepancies in her medical reports to her lawyer so she could win her case against an insurance company after a car accident.

    "I hope my sarcasm makes the point..."

    Yeah, but I think you may have missed that you're actually speaking the truth of many people's reality!

    Pwening, the stuff you thought would funnily illustrate your point is happening everyday across the US. This is our new reality: well-heeled managers delegate the actual work to underpaid peons.

    How else can someone think that an unschooled undergraduate has much authority to grade the work of his or her peers? I doubt I am alone in finding my students distinctly unqualified to grade themselves. Heck, I've had A students who didn't tell their clueless peers that they needed a Works Cited page for their papers. I mean, hey, it looked okay to them...

    It's interesting synchronicity this article appeared on the same day as "Adjunct Survival," which highlights the potential dangers to education when well-heeled managers hire people as underpaid peons in lieu of hiring them as appropriately compensated faculty.

    As an addendum, I loved marking and grading student work; I just hated the drama that came after I handed it back. Too many young people are arriving in college underprepared to do [what used to be] college-level work. When a 2-page paper with step-by-step instructions proves beyond them, wouldn't we all be better off if they received an F?

    But they did the work! The new Gentlemen's C. Or is now an A?

  • Faculty Development Needed Here
  • Posted on August 3, 2009 at 6:45pm EDT
  • I wonder if Duke's Center for Teaching and Learning is another one that has gone the way of all tech support (Blackboard) and no teaching technique (learning outcomes with matching instructional activities and assessment). Or if this is another case of faculty not needed to be "developed" because of course, we all remember how well our graduate programs covered teaching. Especially back in the day -

    More likely we have a tenured professor who has been an administrator (note that graduate programs don't include skill training for that either) and didn't even know about getting feedback from a professional about her idea.

    Critical feedback from an expert is the key problem here. If you actually want to do less work grading, you'll spend more time teaching your students how to do it. Even so, they are not the experts and shouldn't have full responsibility. If my child was in a class like this, I would hope he'd have the sense to drop it and get something that will be worth his time. Duke certainly costs enough that he should get something out of it.

  • Missing the point
  • Posted by Riche Richardson , Africana Studies and Research Centers at Cornell University on August 3, 2009 at 7:30pm EDT
  • I think that this is an excellent strategy for making instruction more student-centered and innovative, and actually, represents a good and viable path to professionalization. Her approach can help students to get beyond the "cookie cutter" trap that is so commonplace in institutional settings. I am a Ph.D. graduate of Duke's English department (1993-98) and always appreciated and benefited from Cathy's brilliant pedagogical vision. I admire her courage and continuing innovation in the profession. How many faculty would actually take an entire graduate American literature class to a major New York cinema conference, which is something that she facilitated for my peers and me in 1995, by covering and arranging our registration? On my committee, she approached the reading of my dissertation, like others, with the eye of the extraordinary editor that she is. Always, as a scholar, she is able to recognize the "gold" in any writing. Her strategies, I think, acutally encourage the best results in students' professionalization, an area to which she has been consistently committed in her career, and they actually require a lot more work and time as an instructor. Knowing her has been a blessing, and I have listened to and PREFERRED her advice and mentorship in this profession over the years, for she consistently encourages me to think outside the box and to be original. I had all lead articles published in major journals as an assistant professor, made two Outstanding Book Titles lists for my first manuscript, and have been tenured (with unanimous votes in my departments) in both the University of California and the Ivy League. In addition to my academic work, I have also been successful in pursuing my art career, have been the subject of essays and a film on it, and most recently, served as a "cultural envoy" to the US Embassy in Paris. I am certainly thankful to have had ambitious, supportive and courageous mentors like Cathy Davidson in this profession. When it comes down to it, not all scholars encourage their students to reach for the stars b/c they are a bit insecure and complaisant themselves; that is one reason that academic freedom is now so imperiled in some places. If more scholars were more like Cathy, one of the most committed and genuinely academic scholars and teachers I have seen, what couldn't academia do?

  • Grading is a part of the job
  • Posted by MidAgeProf , Math at Community College on August 4, 2009 at 5:00am EDT
  • Grading students is a part of the job.
    When are we going to end the McDonaldization of American education.

  • Posted by rw on August 4, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • A crucial part of "grading" is the giving of useful feedback. It seems we're doing a disservice if we neglect to give meaningful and useful commentary.

  • Liberation vs laziness
  • Posted by Alka Arora , Women's Center at UCSB on August 6, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • Critically assessing our educational practices and finding novel ways to have students participate in their own learning is great - completely abdicating the role of teacher is not. The articles begins with a point about how professors don't like to grade, suggesting that Davidson's decision to relinquish grading has much more to do with her convenience than with students' liberation.

    I agree with most of the above posts - hope this makes Prof Davidson rethink her motivations

  • Grading the Comments While Off the Grid
  • Posted by Cathy N Davidson , JHF Prof of Interdisciplinary Studies and English at Duke University on August 9, 2009 at 9:00am EDT
  • I happened to be out of the country, in a place with no wireless, for the last week so these comments filled up while I was off the grid. They are a fascinating Rorschach test of the commenters as much as they are about my experiment in a class (please remember this, everyone) on new ways of thinking, evaluating, collaborating, assessing, interacting, participating, and customizing in a digital age. Would I use this particular experiment in a class on Melville? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But it certainly would not be a way to test the content of the course by experimenting with a new form that made students take responsibility for the process of evaluation. Please note (as you will if you read the original course description in my blog at www.hastac.org) that students aren't all randomly grading each other. Rather, two students are our discussion leaders for each class. They set an assignment from among the texts I have selected and other sources (and if you think this happens "automatically" without professorial intervention you have not been a teacher--or a good one, that is; I know my students intensely in a seminar). All the other students read and then write responses. The student leaders read the blogs as do all of us (including myself). The two student leaders for that class let any student who has done a too-cursory blog know and they have a second chance. And then, in class, we discuss the readings as well as the comments students have blogged prior to class. Believe me, they come fired up and ready to discuss. Last year, I kept notes and all but three classes led in this fashion included vigorous conversation that involved every student present. Again, seasoned teachers know that rarely responds, but because students had invested in ideas in writing before they class, they defended them, they argued, they learned. Was I invisible? Hardly. But did I respect the student leaders? Always.

    I have learned enormously from so many comments here and in other places, and have learned both negatively and positively. And so will my students. In "This Is Your Brain on the Internet," where we are learning about civility, communication, and intelligent interaction on the Internet the first assignment will be reading my blogs, reading the various articles, and then, most definitely, reading all of these comments, many offered by deans, editors, and full professors, to discuss how well people read, how thoughtfully they evaluation, how graciously they offer ideas and share expertise, and/or how close-minded they can sometimes be, how willing to respond not to what someone else is trying but to their own preconceptions about others. I cannot imagine a better object lesson in online evaluation and collaborative response or a better way to help create intelligent contributors to our collective digital learning future. Thanks, everyone, for helping me create a powerful first assignment in what I think will be a fascinating course. I promise to report back on the result and on the contribution you have made to our collective enterprise!

  • Follow-Up Historical and Philosophical Piece
  • Posted by Cathy Davidson , JHF Prof of Interdisciplinary Studies and English at Duke on August 10, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • Here's the url for a follow-up posting, "Grading While Off the Grid," which is more substantive, historically and philosophically, and prompted partly by these comments:http://www.hastac.org/blogs/cathy-davidson/grading-while-grid

  • two remarks on Dr. Davidson's explanation
  • Posted by Michael Walker , professor, english at Santa Barbara City College on August 17, 2009 at 8:00pm EDT
  • Dr. Davidson's more detailed explanation of her course "Your Brain on the Internet," was very useful and enlightening. I think, however, her comment has missed two important points. While she explains the sort of work her students do in general and what her student leaders do in particular, the essential point - who grades the work - is not addressed. I can't tell if she thinks that this part of the process is irrelevant or if she'd rather shuffle it to the bottom of the pile in hopes it will be forgotten.

    The second point is her response to the posts themselves. She appreciates her students coming to the class fired up and ready to discuss the reading, but doesn't explain how she or anyone else evaluates that discussion--until she starts getting snarky about the posts she doesn't like. The posters are fired up and ready to discuss, but suddently there are evaluative criteria--some posters are castigated for not being thoughtful or civil enough, or are closed-minded and unpleasant. Are these her criteria at the seminar table? Does she wait until after the students have spoken to bring them up?

    I mention this because Dr. Davidson seems to have a pretty thin skin. Has she never read a series of responses to an online article before? If so, she should know she's gotten off pretty easy. It seems to me that a course such as hers would include reading the responses to a Youtube video, the entries in a wiki on evolution, and criticisms of a Paul Krugmann piece. If she hasn't done this before, as she indicates, she might want to prep this class a little more thoroughly. Like learning outcomes and rubrics, it's not a new idea. Reading original articles and the responses would be a good learning experience for her students in learning about styles and context, but I urge her to avoid using responses to her own writing or ideas. That could get the classroom atmosphere a little too charged for comfort.