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September 28, 2009

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BALTIMORE -- Carleton College has 18 new students from China this year, and they are paying about half of their own expenses. A handful of them don't need any financial aid at all. While Chinese graduate students are no shock on university campuses, significant cohorts of undergraduate applications from China are a new phenomenon at most colleges. Just a few years ago, Carleton had only three or four students enrolling from China, and it never enrolled students who could afford to pay their own way.

In the past few years, the number of annual applications from China has grown to 300 from 50 or 60 most years. "It's remarkable how the tide has shifted," said Paul Thiboutot, dean of admissions at Carleton. He described the growth -- and related issues -- at a session here Friday at the annual meeting of the National Association for College Admission Counseling.

Carleton isn't alone in seeing this increase. At Duke University, the number of undergraduate applications from China hit 500 this year, up from 175 three years ago. The number of matriculants is up to 30, from 8.

Even as admissions officials welcome the interest, many are concerned about a range of issues -- practical and ethical -- that come with recruiting and evaluating these students. Deans here reported that they are routinely blocked from direct recruiting in high schools, or asked by high school principals to guarantee admission (and scholarships) to a specified number of students as a price of gaining access to students. (The admissions deans say they decline such offers.)

A thriving industry in China provides assistance to applicants on identifying American colleges and helping them apply -- but the help goes well beyond what admissions officers consider even remotely ethical. There are reports about forged transcripts and test scores. Several here said that when they e-mail applicants, the answers they get back aren't close to level of English fluency suggested by essays that have been submitted on the students' behalf.

At the same time, admissions officials stressed that there are many honest Chinese students and educators -- many of whom would be outstanding students at American colleges. But the process of identifying them, in a country where agents promise that they can guarantee admission (for a fee) and where such admission is considered even more valuable than it may be in much of the United States, is challenging.

"We are all dealing with an uneasy intersection of two cultures," said Christoph Guttentag, dean for undergraduate admissions at Duke.

Many in the audience said that they were excited about the opportunities but also more than a little scared -- especially if they didn't have much experience in the area. The session was called "The Chinese Are Coming," and while this is no Red Scare, there is quite a lot of anger at the companies that coach applicants. Joyce Slayton Mitchell, who introduced the session and who is author of Winning the Heart of the College Admissions Dean, called some of the companies "vultures."

Mitchell and others made clear that those agents are already involved in the admissions process, and that the Chinese system enables this, given that there are far too few places for qualified Chinese students to enroll in their own country, and direct recruiting is difficult.

"The only place left in the world that is difficult to have access to the public schools is in China," she said. "So you know very well that most [Chinese] students who apply to your colleges come through a business or a test-prep company or an agent or some kind of service that costs them quite a bit of money."

Timothy Brunold, director of undergraduate admission at the University of Southern California, said that "not a week goes by that I don't get a call from a faculty colleague who mentions many of the grave concerns we've heard today," who wants to know "how do we know that these credentials are valid?"

USC has long had a large population of Chinese graduate students, but the undergraduate population is new. This year, there are 60 freshmen from China. Bunold said that in the previous five years, the total combined population of freshmen from China wouldn't have reached 60.

Given the concerns, Brunold said he recently conducted an analysis on those who have been admitted in recent years -- and the findings reassured him. Retention and graduation rates are around 85 percent, he said.

It's true, Brunold said, that reaching Chinese students will involve a need "to take some chances," and that "we should be very concerned" about agents claiming the ability to get students admitted. But Brunold said that the healthy retention rates at his campus reinforce the idea that there are many outstanding students and "it's time to embrace students from China" coming as undergrads.

The key, he said, is to "apply the same sorts of approaches" used on domestic applications -- careful, individual attention to each candidate.

Guttentag of Duke also said that there are great benefits for American colleges of adding qualified Chinese undergraduates. But he said that there are serious cultural issues to face. The Chinese "educational culture," he said, is based much more than is the case in the United States on "rote learning and memorization" with a "desire for the quickest path to success." These values encourage students to use agents to get in, and to engage in what would be seen as corner cutting at best to American admissions counselors.

While this culture offends many American educators, Guttentag said it was important to remember that "their system is stable, entrenched and, for them, successful" in terms of economic growth. American educators ignore the success of the Chinese system "at our peril," he said.

Strategies for Colleges

So what should admissions counselors do?

Guttentag said that they need to send more people to China and boost their ability to evaluate Chinese students. Admissions offices would benefit from a Mandarin speaker, he said, offering an example of why: He recently receiving an anonymous letter alleging wrongdoing by a company seeking potential applicants as clients and whose advertisement (partly in Chinese that he can't read) was attached.

Colleges also need to trade information and learn from one another he said. While there are cases where admissions deans are in competition, this need not be one of them, he said. "There are a lot of Chinese. There are more than enough to go around," he quipped. "It's not like when we're all competing for the top 10 kids from North Dakota."

Thiboutot, of Carleton, said he too worried about the practices of some Chinese schools and businesses. But he said that before "we malign a system of culture," American guidance counselors might also compare what they find so offensive across the Pacific to what they see at home. When he travels to China, he is frequently asked what test score would guarantee admission for an applicant. While the question is frustrating, he said that he gets the same question in affluent suburbs in the United States.

Many American educators object to the companies that act as agents for Chinese students, he said. But when some independent counselors in the United States charge tens of thousands of dollars to wealthy families for help in the college admissions process, he asked how different the systems are. "Is the [Chinese] experience foreign to us, or are we being imitated?" he asked.

If there is a difference, he said, it may be that the Chinese "are more upfront about announcing that they are using such and such a firm, and explain this is how it is done in their country."

Have American colleges admitted Chinese students who didn't send original material? The answer is probably Yes, Thiboutot said. "But that can be said of domestic and international students."

The Counseling Business in China

Much of the criticism of agents in China concerned businesses that are thriving in the country without formal ties to American colleges or organizations. Several international businesses, such as IDP Education and Hobsons, operate networks of agents or counselors. Asked if these companies' counselors raised the same concerns as the local agents, the panelists said Yes, and that their goal was direct communication with students, without intermediaries.

At least some in the audience weren't convinced. Privately, several said after the session that while they agree in theory with what they heard at the session, they do not have the resources of the institutions represented on the panel, or the ability to send counselors on repeated trips to build ties in China or other countries with large populations of potential students. One audience member said that if this market continues to grow, it could overwhelm American admissions offices. "Do we really want a billion Chinese applicants and a billion Indians having direct access to us?" he said.

The panel did not feature representatives of either IDP or Hobsons (although both companies had booths in the exhibit hall). NACAC has taken a hard line on the use of international counselors -- if they are paid even in part based on performance, as is common in this area, and which practice is accepted in other countries that recruit in China. The association's Statement of Principles of Good Practice states that colleges should "not offer or accept any reward or remuneration from a college, university, agency, or organization for placement or recruitment of students." Compensation must be through salary, the association says.

NACAC's position is consistent with U.S. law. But while federal rules bar commissions based on enrollment, the ban is only on students who are eligible for federal financial aid -- and so does not apply to foreign students. (NACAC's ethics code does not make a distinction, and insists that commissions are wrong, period.)

Mark Shay, IDP's regional director for North America, was not in the audience at the session Friday. He said later that falsifying records or writing essays for applicants may be common with some entities in China, but that these are activities that the company prohibits -- and would be cause for dismissal.

He also said that the commission structure used by IDP is significantly different from those used by local companies in China, and assures integrity. "Our counselors are paid well, and their compensation is predominantly salary, not incentive or bonus. IDP counselors receive less than 20 percent of their entire compensation from performance incentives as opposed to what we believe to be 75 percent at other firms," he said. "With a focus on finding the right fit for a student as opposed to doing whatever it takes to get a student into a desired school, IDP operates a different kind of business that the examples described in the session."

Jeremy Cooper, president of integrated marketing solutions for Hobsons, said he agrees that there are abuses in the Chinese companies that engage in the kinds of activities discussed at the meeting here. But he said that's precisely why entities like Hobsons can help.

"I suspect that the discussion was around what the use of agents currently is, rather than what can be done to professionalize the industry in the future," he said. "What Hobsons are looking to do is really change the whole agent industry and create an environment where the agent is no longer selling, but truly counseling." That's "no small task," he said, but it's a worthy one. There are both "professional agents and many unscrupulous ones" in the field, he said, and they shouldn't be all judged together.

Cooper said that the panelists were correct that "the ideal is a direct connection between a university and the student." But he added: "The reality, however, is that this cannot always, or often, be achieved. When the universities are not in country it is vital that their brands are being represented professionally."

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Comments on 'The Chinese Are Coming'

  • NACAC Principles Should not Extend to Vendors
  • Posted by Mark Shay , Regional Director at IDP Education on September 28, 2009 at 7:30am EDT
  • NACAC's Statement of Principles of Good Practice makes sense for a university representative/employee that represents only one school. It starts to become impractical for organizations that represent many. Buy a list from SAT and it costs per name, buy a click from Google and it costs per click, so if you buy an application from any vendor, shouldn't the same focus on performance apply? Compensating a vendor based on success is good business practice when control is in the hands of the non-incentive-driven university. As AIRC (http://www.airc-education.org) brings certification of good practice to the US market, there is now some safety in using external recruiters.

  • Public colleges
  • Posted by Jo , Small Cog at MegaStateU on September 28, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • It will be torture for the tenured, but go to the library on a Friday night. Filled with Chinese, Japanese and Korean students. Very few others.

    My guess is, 10% of UG enrollment is Asian. They are really financially propping up MegaState.

    Language is an issue, and needs to be authenticated positively.

    But, unlike so many USA students, they work intensely to over-come that issue.

    Now, if they would just stop smoking ..

  • In India now for English and Computer Sciences !
  • Posted by Iris , Director,Center for English and Foreign languages (CEFL) at Dayananda Sagar Institutions, Banglore,S.India on September 28, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • May I add that it is not just to the US but to India too that the Chinese are flocking!
    Last year, we had 120 of them here to learn English and this year a little less.
    Last year's batch are now doing BCA, Bachelors in Computer Applications, and seem to be managing fine.In other colleges, they study Engineering. Naturally, for India is closer and cheaper for them!
    We teachers, on the other hand, are learning how to teach them as their system is still the old one of short-cuts to passing an exam and rote-learning.
    Their use of bilingual dictionaries was distracting and I have banned it this year.We will teach them how to use an English dictionary first thing!

    But to their credit, I must confess, that those who did attend class regularly were very sincere and willing to learn more!

    It is easy to be impatient with a new culture but their desire to improve themselves should be recognised and encouraged, despite the agents' roles.We are aware of all this but persist in helping them as they are so young and need English to survive anywhere in the world.That is why we have an exclusive Language dept here.We teach Arabs too.

    This year I am in constant touch with one of the Directors, who has brought them out, and this has helped me plan and ask for strict implementation of our rules etc. The Internet is so useful for this.
    I have also offered to help the old batch with more English(EAP), if they so desire it, for a very small fee. Some have asked for this continuing help.
    I think this is what education is all about ultimately. As for essays that are not so original, one can always conduct a Placement Test on arrival for ones' own satisfaction/purposes and offer help with study-skills and Language.
    Iris(retd.Prof.of English),
    now Director of the CEFL

  • It's not just the Chinese
  • Posted by Jay , Chair at Regional U. on September 28, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • We haven't had any problems with our Chinese students. For us, the problem is Hyderabad, India. They have some super corrupt companies there that are faking students credentials. Students who are marginal at best are being quoted as having the equivalent of 3.5 GPA's.

    As for studying habits, they are worse than Americans. They miss about 1/4 to 1/3 of the class meeting times, are late for their TA assignments, and never seem prepared to work. This is not all of India, as we have some good students from there. Just Hyderabad.

  • The Chinese are Coming
  • Posted by Pamela on September 28, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • The Asian students I have encountered are respectful and polite. They are very good at taking something and making it better and are excellent at group work. For many Asian students the concept of plagiarism is completely foreign. If a student copies an essay written by another and changes a few words to improve it, the new essay is a tribute to the first student and is considered the work of the second. In the US, this is considered cheating. Academic institutions must provide ethics training for students from other countries to prevent them from being inadvertently disgraced due to cultural differences. These kids have a work ethic all of us can admire.

  • Chinese Students are net contributors to the learning community
  • Posted by Sidney L. Greenblatt , Instructor in Asian and Asian American Studies at Syracuse University on September 28, 2009 at 5:30pm EDT
  • I am a Chinese speaker with a good deal of experience in both recruitment of students from China and in academic advising and counseling and teaching over a period of nearly 30 years. While I am aware of the failures of some recruiting agents in China, I am also aware of very successful pre-college prep programs. Most important, however, and I echo others in this regard, is Chinese student commitment to both learning and practice and their ability and drive. With few exceptions, they leap beyond lingustic, cultural and institutional differences. What is also noteworthy, is that the new crowd of undergraduates includes more young women than ever before and more regional and ethnic diversity than in any previous cohort. That, in itself, will have a significant impact on the professions both here and in China. The weaknesses in recruitment and preparation are worth noting, but they pale by comparison to the promise of these new recruits.

  • Advising students from China about US higher education
  • Posted by Peggy Blumenthal , COO at Institute of International Education on September 28, 2009 at 7:00pm EDT
  • In reviewing today’s article on the increasing flows of Chinese students to the US, one significant omission requires mention. EducationUSA, a U.S. State Department affiliated network of over 400 advising centers in 170 countries supported by the Bureau of Educational & Cultural Affairs (ECA, has many centers in China to help PRC students get unbiased information about the full range of US higher education.

    Recently, ECA announced a policy that received some press, including a notice in IHE, stating that EducationUSA centers should not refer students to or work with commercial agents. In response to the growing concerns of US colleges and universities regarding the situation in China, EducationUSA is evaluating advising throughout the country and will be working with local partners to ensure that all advising centers adhere to State Department policy. IIE, in cooperation with the U.S. Department of State, is putting a team in place in China to work with the U.S. embassy and consulates to address the various challenges resulting from the growing interest in U.S. higher education. We hope that U.S. institutions will continue to see the value of working with students who are advised by EducationUSA centers. We welcome input from our colleagues in the US higher education community so that EducationUSA centers in China may best serve their needs.

     

  • Other route to US degrees for China students
  • Posted by Dr. YN Chow , General Manager (Academic Division) at Technololgy Park Malaysia College on September 29, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • The problems highlighted in the article are not new. There is a small but significant private higher education industry in Malaysia that any US universities can count on to act as a "filter" for students from China, that is, if such universities are willing to collaborate with their Malaysian counterparts.

    My institution has a long established link with Cal Poly Pomona where we offer students a "2+2" towards a US degree (conferred by Cal Poly Pomona). Students will study up to 79 credits at our college and transfer these to the US. As we are in a better situation to handle fraudulent academic credentials (at least many in Malaysia are fluent in Chinese), and we do reject many "suspect" cases, the chances of a fraudulent case reaching the US is slim. This because we use the curriculum and standard of our US partner and there is a strict local accreditation body called Malaysian Qualifications Agency which holds great power to regulate the industry. Hence even if a person from China could bluff his way into a Malaysian college, the chances of his continue ability to cheat his way for the next 2 years are slim as he would have failed miserably within the first couple of semesters!

    Hence, I urge all US institutions which are interested in China students to perhaps also look at Malaysian private colleges like ours to collaborate on win-win arrangements.

  • Turn It Around
  • Posted by Corinne , English Communications Instructor on September 30, 2009 at 8:30pm EDT
  • My best friend, who returned to college in her mid forties, just finsished 4 months at the University of Bejing where she studied business and Chinese Language immersion. That University provided the American Students with tutors who stayed with the students throughout the entire stay. They were not allowed to speak English. Did they struggle? Yes. Did they succeed? Yes. Although my friend came from a very reputable college that had connections to the University at Bejing, I can not help but wonder if her instructors thought she was not qualified as she struggled with becoming fluent in Chinese, not just for speaking but for academic pursuit. All students whether placed by another university or a private placement service, should simply have to provide a notarized transcript from their high school or college. That document should be the lead indicator of whether a student has the credentials, followed by testing. It needs to be expected that a student who is immersing themselves in a foreign language and environment will need help and guidance. If the University is accepting their tuition, they have the obligation to make language accomodations.

  • Plagiarism and Asian Students
  • Posted by John Richard Schrock , Professor of Biology, Department of Biological Sciences at Emporia State University on October 4, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • The system of education in India and East Asia centers around teaching to an all-important leaving exam; being able to repeat exactly the instructor's or textbook's correct answer is highly rewarded. Therefore the (until recently) Western educational method of asking students to read, think, and synthesize a new answer is foreign.

    To address this, the article "The Growing Problem of Plagiarism and the Correct Use of Science Citation" in the July 2007 PRC journal Shengwuxue Jiaoxue ["Biology Teaching"] 32(7): 14–17 (in Chinese) modifies an exercise by Wilmott and Harrison and further explains the need to correctly cite sources, the problem with self plagiarism, and the rate authors fail to check original citations but use citations via other publications. Chinese and English translation can be accessed in pdf at http://www.educationfrontlines.net/publications/htm at year 2007.

    In the last year, the PR China Ministry of Education has become greatly concerned with the rate of internet plagiarism and the copying culture at the university level.