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October 15, 2009

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In the age of The Onion, Jon Stewart, and Jon Stewart critiquing CNN for doing fact-checking on "Saturday Night Live," the concept of "fake news" is hardly novel. And those who enjoy such satire can no doubt identify plenty of cases where the humor didn't quite work.

To say that the article published this month by Reed College's humor publication, The Pamphlette, did not work would be an understatement. Consider this opening:

In what is being called a “tragic, but all too predictable” event, the staff of The Leaphlette, a student humor publication at Lewis and Clark College, have been accused of rounding up and gassing all of the Jews on their Portland, OR campus. “There were warning signs,” said Lewis and Clark president Thomas J. Habberstashery. “About a month ago they published a satirical article making light of the Holocaust. We should have seen this coming,” he said, gesturing towards the towering crematorium sitting on the spot once occupied by the campus library. In addition to the inflammatory article, The Leaphlette put in a request to the chemistry department for “a fuckload of Zyklon B” for the purpose of “conducting Jewsperiments,” a move which, according to President Habberstashery, “in retrospect, should have raised concerns.”

The article goes on to say that some students "have claimed that the incident highlights the need for a multicultural resource center or a women’s studies department or something at Lewis and Clark." The fake president of the college is quoted as saying: "The most tragic part of this whole debacle, other than all those dead Jews, is the damage that I fear will be done to the school’s reputation. In the coming admissions season, when an applicant is faced with a choice between Lewis and Clark and some faggoty college like Reed, I can’t help but think that this incident will play into their decision.”

The Pamphlette is typically distributed at Reed only, dropped off at various places on campus (a Web site for the publication isn't current). In this case, however, a copy also made its way to Lewis and Clark, and so Reed has been considering just what went wrong -- in front of non-Reedies. While Reed prides itself on intellectual rigor and intense discussions about just about everything, it takes the privacy of its community seriously, and this marked a rare case where another college became involved.

On Tuesday night, about 250 people from Reed and Lewis and Clark discussed what had happened, and although the humor magazine has distributed an apology and Reed's president apologized to his counterpart at Lewis and Clark, many students remain unsettled. One of the editors of The Pamphlette said at the forum that he did not regret the article. And some critics have noted that this isn't the first time the publication has used the Holocaust in ways that offended. A previous article mocked Anne Frank. (Others have noted that The Pamphlette is an equal opportunity offender, and that the same issue with the article about gassing Jews also featured an article making fun of Black History Month.)

Further complicating matters, the issue with the article about gassing Jews at Lewis and Clark appeared as the latter college was dealing with an incident in which swastikas were discovered on a library bathroom wall. While the Reed students involved in the publication said they didn't have any idea about that incident, some Lewis and Clark students found the article particularly offensive since their campus had in fact been prompted by the swastikas to discuss issues of anti-Semitism.

Colin Diver, president of Reed, sent an e-mail to students and faculty members in which he said that the articles in The Pamphlette "display a remarkable insensitivity to the deeply held feelings engendered by some of the most horrific and painful episodes of our collective history."

Diver, while noting that the publication is supported by funds for student organizations, stressed that he would never try to censor. "Leaving aside my personal reaction, however, it is my role as president to uphold the principles by which this college is governed," he wrote. "One of those principles, stated in the Community Constitution, is that publications supported by student body funds shall not be subject to censorship or editorial control by the college. There will, therefore, be no attempt by the administration of this college to restrain publication of The Pamphlette or to take any other action that would amount to censorship of its content."

Editors of The Pamphlette agreed to answer questions about the situation if they were posed to a group e-mail list and if answers would not be attributed to anyone by name.

One editor, answering for the group, said that the intent of the article was to satirize a column in Reed's student newspaper that "argued that satirical Holocaust denial enables real genocide. We found this claim ridiculous, and that the goal of our article was to satirize this notion by driving it to its logical extreme." He declined to provide copies of the article on black history or the piece about Anne Frank, but said that the black history piece was "written by a black student and that its content would be unquestionably fine on Comedy Central."

As to the larger debate, the editor said that "we are all saddened and disappointed at the level of controversy we have inadvertently caused. It seems that many people have taken issue with things that we've written, and have been carrying these issues for a while. For whatever reason, none of them felt it was necessary to contact us directly with their concerns, and instead all waited until the forum to vent their frustrations. In the future, we would like to see a more direct and personal dialogue between our publication and the members of our campus community."

Another editor of the publication said in a phone interview that those discussions should not have extended beyond Reed. She said it was important to have context about Reed to understand what was going on. "We're a small paper at a college the size of a high school, and one of the students here thought it was right to contact someone at Lewis and Clark, when the article had nothing to do with Lewis and Clark," she said.

Asked if anything about the article might still have been offensive even if no one off the Reed campus has seen it, she said that "it still would have been offensive, but I don't think it would be this big a deal. I don't see why it was necessary to not let this be an internal issue at Reed, instead of being exposed to the outside community.... I think we could have controlled the situation a lot better if that hadn't happened."

What if the situation had been reversed, and someone at Lewis and Clark had written about gassing Jews (or something else) at Reed College? Might she care? "If I found out about it, I wouldn't feel personally targeted," she said.

Rachel Hall, managing director of the Greater Portland Hillel, which serves students at Reed and Lewis and Clark, said she went to the forum at Reed Tuesday night, accompanying some of the Jewish students at Lewis and Clark who wanted to express "their outrage."

Hall noted that she was struck by the way the students on The Pamphlette kept stressing that the article wasn't supposed to leave the campus, suggesting that that's what mattered. When Hall asked a question, she said, the Reed students didn't appreciate it and appeared "very unapproachable."

Her sense, from the discussions this week, is that many Reed students think "it's cool to be postmodern and think that racism and sexism are gone, and that Reed is such a safe space so you can make any jokes you want and not think about it." After the meeting Tuesday, Hall said she was approached both by Jewish and racial minority students from Reed who told her that they didn't feel secure raising questions about comments that were offensive to them, and that they felt the expectation of many on the campus was not to consider such issues.

Nothing should be off limits to discuss or even to satirize, Hall said, but there should also be civility, especially at a place that boasts of its academic rigor. "I don't think anyone here is saying that you can never joke about the Holocaust. I don't think anyone is saying that anything should never be talked about, but this was just rude and inconsiderate and offensive," Hall said. "Shouldn't Reed have a higher standard of intellectualism?"

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Comments on Mocking the Holocaust

  • Concerns
  • Posted on October 15, 2009 at 6:30am EDT
  • Hi, I'm just a little confused about this. People are claiming that the satirical paper at Reed caused great concern due to the fact that it trivialized the Holocaust. But shouldn't it be of more concern that ACTUAL anti-semitism was found on the Lewis and Clark campus? I don't understand how people can be devoting their energy to criticizing the Pamphlette when really, a greater problem seems to be an action that was promoting serious and genuine anti-semitism. Any feedback on this point is appreciated. Thanks!

  • Plenty to be concerned about
  • Posted by Frankie , Associate Professor of English at University of Nebraska-Lincoln on October 15, 2009 at 9:30am EDT
  • I'm not sure we need to choose between matters about which to be concerned in this case. We should be concerned about the discovery of swastikas at Lewis and Clark. We should be concerned about the anti-Semitism implicit in the Pamphlette's attempt at a satire centering on the Holocaust. We should be concerned about the Pamphlette editors' desires to keep discussion of these matters private and personal rather than public and open (thereby insuring that the issues raised by the satire may be contained and individualized rather than examined in systemic and institutional terms). And we should be concerned, I think, about the sense among Jewish students and students of color at Reed that they are constrained in raising concerns about anti-Semitism and racism at Reed where the expectation is that "civility" trumps the imperative to speak out for justice, equality, and peace.

  • south park
  • Posted by denwanai on October 15, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • For a generation raised on South Park and Jon Stewart, it seems that the phamphlette article was simply a lame attempt to emulate that genre. This is also the first time these kids have the opportunity to print without the principal or teacher saying "no no, this it too offensive - you can't say that!" Maybe their freedom prevented common sense from kicking in. It must have felt heady to print something so shocking. But now they suffer the consequences of hurt and criticism.

  • NOT FUNNY
  • Posted by old timer , professor at CSULB on October 15, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • To the estimated 12 million people murdered in the Nazi Holocaust, the thousands of military personnel killed in the war, and their descendents, the holocaust is hardly a joking manner. Rather than satirizing this inhuman event, educators should be teaching that some views and behaviors cannot be promoted even in jest in a civilized society. A student newspaper that pokes fun at Ann Frank, the Nazi Holocaust, and Black History month doesn’t deserve the support from the student body. The student senate should consider revoking their support.

    Reed’s faculty and administration have failed the students involved with this publication and should provide remedial education or they will be social misfits throughout their post college life’s.

  • RE: Concerns
  • Posted by Jodi Heintz at Lewis & Clark on October 15, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • I want to thank the first commenter who addressed the issue of swastikas at Lewis & Clark. I work at the college and agree that this incident is a serious one. Upon discovering the swastikas, the college opened dialogue with a number of leaders from the Jewish community in Portland, began a review of hate speech policies that we may adopt, and are developing a Bias Response Team so that we can address such issues very quickly, should something like this happen again. Most importantly, perhaps, we are organizing a series of events to talk about what is a very difficult issue for some -- cultural difference. So, for example, how can we safely and respectfully ask questions about difference without fear of appearing ignorant or insensitive? How can we address offensive remarks in a productive way? Lewis & Clark is disheartened by this incident but our hope is that we can provide an educational opportunity that ultimately creates a safer, more supportive environment for all. -- Jodi Heintz, Public Affairs & Communications, Lewis & Clark

  • Let's Read Together!
  • Posted by let's read together! on October 15, 2009 at 12:15pm EDT
  • 1) Her name was Anne Frank, not Ann Frank.
    2) None of the articles say anything disparaging towards Jews or the Jewish culture. If anything they are only making fun of holocaust deniers and Lewis and Clark.

  • I agree with Old Timer
  • Posted by DFS on October 15, 2009 at 12:15pm EDT
  • Damn it, but some things are just not funny.

    There has to be a line somewhere, which we will not cross.

    Else, we may as well be the voicepiece of Iran.

  • Extremely Concerned
  • Posted by Susy , Owner at HEMS-4-U on October 15, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • After reading this article and feeling anger emotions filling up my body, I have decided to write a comment about it.
    I am a parent of a high school senior applying to very good schools all over the country, plus ones that want my daughter to attend theirs; being Lewis and Clark one of them. Now not only I am completely against any application towards it, I am angry for the fact that students are allowed to make a joke of a period where millions of lives were assassinated just for the fact of being Jewish, including all of my grandfather's family members. How far is our youth going where respect for all human kind has been lost? Where are the administrators of the school making sure to prevent attacks on any human being? A meeting after that facts is just a band-aid, school should work on prevent situations like this one instead of react towards them.
    Finally, as a college guidance mentor, this situation makes me think Should I recommend this school with racial. religious bias, and who knows what else? Probably not

  • Re: NOT FUNNY
  • Posted by Carl on October 15, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • Quoting Old Timer: "Rather than satirizing this inhuman event, educators should be teaching that some views and behaviors cannot be promoted even in jest in a civilized society. A student newspaper that pokes fun at Ann Frank, the Nazi Holocaust, and Black History month doesn’t deserve the support from the student body."

    The incident at Reed is not evidence of any downfall of civilized society. It may not meet the standard set by Jonathan Swift, but it falls in the same tradition. There is a long and storied history of exploitation of cultural taboos in satire.

    Also, satirical references to the Holocaust has been common for some time now. You may want to look up stories in The Onion such as "Local Jew feels left out of worldwide Jewish conspiracy", "Jewish Texans Commemorate Holocaust ... Texas-style!", and "Holocaust museum cashier has yet another depressing day". So it's actually somewhat surprising that the Reed story drew so much attention.

  • Really?
  • Posted by reed who? on October 15, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • First of all Mr. Jaschik and the editors of The Pamphlette, it's Lewis & Clark, Lewis AND Clark is a community college located in Illinois (wouldn't want to be viewed as intellectually dishonest) Secondly, to "Concerns" swastikas were found on L&C's campus and everyone was very upfront and determined to address the issue. I for one have seen similar if not worse graffiti on Reed's campus, but no attempt was made to address concerns or even acknowledge it's existence. Something about taking "the privacy of its community seriously". The only time it is, is when the local news has picked up on the story first, remember the nooses?

    Finally, maybe it's the changing on the seasons, but it seems to me that the Reedies should be outside half naked, playing tablas, and dancing around while trippin on shrooms right about now. I guess maybe this year was a bad harvest or something.

  • History Repeating?
  • Posted by Saddened on October 15, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • Sadly, I have heard more and more young adults voicing racist, sexist, anti-Jewish/Iraqi/Mexican/Indian/Latino/Atheist/Catholic/etc. than ever before on my college campus. I think it is due to two reasons...

    1. Young adults have not been taught manners - yes, I am serious - they don't know how to talk or write or act with awareness of others. I was observing a speech class not too long ago and a student arrived late. He walked in front of the speaker to get to an empty seat. What?! Didn't he know to quietly wait until she had finished her speech before walking BEHIND her to get to the seat? He honestly didn't have a clue that what he did was disrespectful. I have an office that is near a classroom. Every day students come into the hall from the class to take/make calls on their cell phones. They stand right beside my open office door and talk with boyfriends/girlfriends/parents/parole officers/etc. I have heard more than I care to know about fights/sex lives/money/betrayal/drugs/drinking/etc. I have asked many of them to take the calls elsewhere and had the students glare at me/cuss at me/ignor me/accuse me of listening to their "private" conversation/etc. When attempting to get out of an elevator, I am figthting against students getting in the elevator - they don't know that you stand aside to let people out BEFORE you get in. So, of course, these same students will not have any problem telling anyone else about their twisted idea of humor and not consider the inappropriateness of the material. They will not consider the shock value to be negative but rather find it amusing and even gratifying. If anyone is offended, that individual should "get over it" and move on as it was only a joke, a satire, a mockery. They weren't serious after all. They called themselves faggots remember? As if that somehow should make it even and all better. They also comment that they picked on the members of the black community a while ago; so it's not like they just pick on the Jewish population.

    2. I think that some of our young adults are actually becoming more intensely racist than they were a few years ago. A few decades ago, you had individuals who were racist but they basically kept their opinions to themselves or their close friends. They did not organize except for the isolated groups such as the KKK. The average "Joe" or "Jane" might spout off with a friend about some minority but they didn't actively protest. Now, with the internet, it is very easy to get caught up in an online group that can quickly become a mob. Online mob mentality can spread to in life mob mentality and these individuals can leave their homes and head out on the streets fired up and ready to cause some harm. They can be like the editors and take their ideas further and print them for the masses - all the while sharing them online with friends and getting immediate encouragement and validation. The internet breeds discontent and hatred and it allows it to grow unchecked. Virtual reality and reality get blurred and before long you have offensive signs showing up on walls. Worse yet is when there is no accountability for their actions all in the name of academic freedom. Freedom is the right to an education without all this crap. Accountability is responsibilty to all the students and not freedom without responsibility for some of the students.

    Open your eyes and look around - for everything positive the internet has brought us; it has also brought us an equal number of negatives

    As we get closer to each other via the internet the world gets smaller and we find we are often standing closer to others unlike ourself than we used to stand. Many are not comfortable sharing their space with people who are unlike them. So they strike out - with hostility and with fear and with anger. The world is only going to get smaller. People are only going to get more territorial.

    We will lose much of what we had gained if we don't stop it now.

    KMH

  • Posted by Charlie on October 15, 2009 at 1:00pm EDT
  • I'd just like to point out that before the Nazis started rounding up and murdering Jews, they rounded up and murdered political dissidents, including those who said or published things that they disagreed with. Just saying.

  • Posted by Laura on October 15, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • This is also the first time these kids have the opportunity to print without the principal or teacher saying "no no, this it too offensive - you can't say that!"
    It probably is, and the problem is that those principals and teachers did just say "no you can't" instead of explaining how a decent, civilized person acts. Maturity isn't just a matter of passing an age benchmark. You have to help teenagers develop judgment. Which feeds into what Saddened has said, and he/she is right, of course.

    As to satire - surely we all understand that "A Modest Proposal" wasn't written to get laughs.

  • Posted by hydropsyche on October 15, 2009 at 2:15pm EDT
  • As a graduate of another small liberal arts college not unlike Reed in its curriculum or demographics, I always noticed that the student newspaper "satire" tended to be making fun of Jews, Latinos, African-Americans, or women, and never, ever the white men whose numbers dominated our campus and its newspaper staff. When called on this, the authors maintained that their work was satire or humor and that they themselves were not racist, anti-semitic, or sexist, and that any readers who thought so were just easily offended.

    I say, if what one has written seems to be indistinguishable from what a racist, anti-semite, or sexist would write, then your intent doesn't really matter, or you are at least a very bad writer.

  • Posted by I Am a Reedie , Student, Junior at Reed College on October 15, 2009 at 2:30pm EDT
  • @reed who?

    Yes, it is true we at Reed have had racist graffiti on our campus. Last year, in fact. However, quite contrary to your statement that "no attempt was made to address concerns or even acknowledge it's existence", there was huge concern on campus over the issue, many public discussions for staff and students, and diversity, sensitivity, multicultural, etc. workshops, group talks, and the like. The only extent to which we "did not address" the issue is that we kept our discussions within the college, and did not engage Portland at large. That is what privacy of our community is, it is not shutting down conversation for our own community members.

    Also, quips by non-Reed members such as "Finally, maybe it's the changing on the seasons, but it seems to me that the Reedies should be outside half naked, playing tablas, and dancing around while trippin on shrooms right about now. I guess maybe this year was a bad harvest or something" display such an ignorance of Reed, our culture, and our student body (and I've read many comments like this from other articles about Reed) that it often becomes incredibly frustrating to include non-Reedies in discussions about events on our campus. Approaching us with that level of characterization (which I find offensive) is, to say the least, sickeningly ironic given the context of this topic.

    Nevertheless, this particular article and all the comments thus far, excluding the one I've quoted, have done a wonderful job at an honest, neutral portrayal of events, and for that I thank all of you.

  • Posted by Charlie on October 15, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • I'd really love to hear some funny jokes you've heard that mock white men. I want to fight the power, too!

  • Seriously?
  • Posted by Kate on October 15, 2009 at 3:15pm EDT
  • Satire is always at home on college campuses, because there is so much reading and analyzing going on, and so many people who think they've just invented (because they have just discovered for themselves) rigorous criticism. I think we lose a lot by holding any subject or event "above mockery", and I think the quoted section of the student paper was completely hilarious. There is nothing wrong with questioning the idea that there are horrible consequences for mocking a tragedy -- mocking and denying are not the same. Also, guys, the holocaust has been mocked before, during a time when people had less distance from it, but the sense to be able to take a joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg

  • Once again out of context
  • Posted by Reedite at Reed College on October 15, 2009 at 3:45pm EDT
  • The article satirizes the exact response It recieved. It was written in response to a fairly nasty complaint in the QUEST. Even if you ignore that it takes quite a concerted will to overlook the obvious satirical intent directed at the MRC and the Holocaust was just a means to express the ridiculous behavior of such organizations.

    Here's a tidbit for the benefit of anyone who thinks "diversity" and "multicultural training" would "solve" the problems at Reed; one of the two editors of the Pamphlette is Jewish and the author of the black history month article is African American. The MRC has once again managed to exagerate a situation to create drama and give themselves a reason to exist. Lets all be honest... Reed is one of the most progressive campus' in the nation - Not exactly a place of great racial strife.

    - Minority Reedie

  • Posted by E.Moran , English Prof on October 15, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • Quoting Old Timer:

    "Reed’s faculty and administration have failed the students involved with this publication and should provide remedial education or they will be social misfits throughout their post college life’s."

    All the outrageous satires and jokes in poor taste don't bother me as much as the clumsy but sincere quote above, calling for re-education to socialize potential "social misfits." Maybe we could hold these remedial classes on the Quad so that the socially fit students might ridicule them as they march by on the way to American Studies.

  • Diversity
  • Posted by Julia , Web Media Outreach Director at Chaminade University on October 15, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • This is an interesting discussion. I grew up in Portland and I am familiar with Reed as well as Lewis & Clark. I now work at one of the most diverse colleges in the nation, that happens also to be Catholic. I am continually called upon as part of the admissions team to explain what this campus is "really like." One of the differences I can now see between the campus atmosphere here and the atmopshere at these colleges is the level of discussion to understand and accept differences, which is continual, night and day, in jest or in seriousness, amongst all students. The students here are quite frank and open about their opinions. Racism is still quite alive, and painful, for those who experience it or have experienced it in their lifetimes. Statements made in jest can easily be mis-interpreted, especially if you have grown up in a different culture and you may not have been raised speaking English. Kindness and courtesy translate well, satire is quite complex and may not translate at all. The editors of the Pamphlette may not realize just how small their world of Reed actually is. I hope Reed can help them to prepare for a much more complex and dynamic world than they are used to.

  • Thanks Lewis and Clark for the fast and great Response
  • Posted by Susy , Owner/Founder at HEMS-4-U on October 15, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • I have just finished talking to MR. Celestino Lima, Dean of Students at Lewis and Clark.
    Not only he explained what they did find, but all the steps they are taking so this type of situations will never occur again.They hhave had conversations with Portland ADL, and Jewish leaders. As angry as I was before, and probaly a bad "reaction" to the reading of the article, i am extremely satisfied to find an institution that approaches all their "bias" towards differences in individuals with such a commitment.
    Thanks Lewis and Clark for claryfying your position , making it very easy for my business to recommend a school guaranteeing safety, diversity , academics and a great college environment.

  • Catastrophic Misquoting
  • Posted by Colin (Reedie) , Physics Major at Reed College on October 15, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • The original article was not "mocking the Holocaust" in any way. Let me make clear the context. A few weeks before, an issue of the Pamphlette described some fake history. It had entries along the lines of:
    Christopher Columbus: invented the light bulb out of spaghetti stolen from Marco Polo.
    Teddy Roosevelt: Invaded the North Pole but was driven back by mole people.

    In the midst of this ridiculous fake history, one of the entries was:
    The Holocaust: This never happened.

    A student read this entry mocking holocaust DENIAL, and took it at face value, thinking it was a REAL denial of the Holocaust. She wrote a letter, published in the school newspaper, damning the Pamphlette for this "insensitivity". She suggested that the Pamphlette was inviting a second Holocaust, when, if anything, the Pamphlette was actually seeking to delegitimize Holocaust denial. She did this without talking to the Pamphlette editors, which the editors felt was improper behavior.

    The Pamphlette decided to satirize the self-rightousness and gross misunderstanding of this letter. So they took the letter published in the school newspaper and brought it's logic to its ridiculous conclusion. The satirical newspaper, described a parralell college (LC was just a stand in for Reed in an alternate universe) where the Pamphlette counterpart actually decided to carry out their nefarious plans. If only, the Pamphlette article reads (in a section painfully left unquoted by Higher Ed), someone had written a self rightous letter, and we all kept our sensitivities on hair-trigger, then this tragedy would never have occured! It's a reducto ad absurdam argument against the letter in the school paper, it had absolutely nothing to do with hating Jews.

    They wrote the article in question, not to mock the Holocaust, but to mock the self-rightousness and pointlessness of excessive PC mongering and the dangers of taking satire out of context (a point which seems to be ironically lost on Higher Ed). The extreme context dependence of the article was why the editors were so upset when it left campus. It's true they exercised poor judgement, but only because they overestimated the inability of the audience to follow their sophisticated (and yes, very funny) argument, in the face of imagery that invoked the Holocaust.

    How can this exchange possibly be news? There is nothing in the article that is actual anti-semitism. There isn't even a dangerous breed of post-modernism. Inside Higher Ed has made a gross and unfair error in the publishing of this article and should be manifestly ashamed of their distortion of fact and lack of context.

  • Posted by Glenn (Editor of the Pamphlette) on October 15, 2009 at 4:45pm EDT
  • Thank you, Colin. I am glad that some Reedies are able to read things beyond their face value.

    I' like to clarify another point. The article states that we published an article mocking Anne Frank. However, as I told the author,

    "We published an article in which a vapid, self-absorbed and otherwise unsympathetic fictional sister of Anne Frank found Anne's diary and thought it was dumb."

    Are you vapid and self-absorbed, Mr. Jaschik? If so, then I could see how you might think that this was mocking what is, without a doubt, one of the most influential and moving pieces of literature in the 20th Century. Otherwise, I am perplexed at how you could interpret this as mockery when it comes from the mouth of someone so obviously meant to be an object of scorn. Perhaps it made your angle more clear, but I am pretty sure that you won't win any Pulitzers with that kind of reporting.

  • Please pay attention to Suzy's comment.
  • Posted by DFS on October 15, 2009 at 4:45pm EDT
  • It is very informative.

  • Posted by Marianna on October 15, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
  • I'm going to have to retract some of my comments because of the new information Reed students are providing. I didn't realize that the story in question was a letter, and not a column, as stated by the article.

    What I think really boils down to this: Transparency and sensitivity are crucial to a community that professes the ideals of higher education. As a student editor at a women's college, we have no shortage of workshops and community dialogues about diversity. Of course, the other side of the coin is that when everything is a safe space, no one wants to be held accountable for their views. That's why I think it's so important that the editorial staff issues a statement, and also why I didn't understand the reticence to speak, until now.

    I still don't think it's right that students at schools like Reed dismiss these very real issues as PC bull—that is, the issue of minority students feeling silenced. As a satirical publication, or any publication, your job is to make the community question itself. It is desirable that they should feel uncomfortable, but they should never feel targeted.

  • Posted by Marianna on October 15, 2009 at 5:30pm EDT
  • In light of the new comments posted by Reed students: Thank you for the context, which changes the situation materially (was it a column or a letter? It still says column).

    I regret making judgments so quickly without accounting for the fact that your input was missing from the story. But rather than keep it on campus, I think you should issue a statement—and, as I said before, continue to be open about editorial decisions.

    It concerns me that students at a school that wears the badge of inclusiveness would be so glib about students feeling hurt—although, to clarify, that's a criticism reserved for the person who wrote it and the students who dismiss the outcry.

  • Re: Marianna
  • Posted by Colin , student at Reed on October 15, 2009 at 6:15pm EDT
  • The editors were holding a forum on the issue. There were many many emails flying around. People were talking about it in Commons, in the quad, everywhere. The newspaper published at least three articles about it from different perspectives. And you claim, "Someone needs to empower these students to make themselves heard." (!) Marianna, you are hypocritical in your own arrogance.

    It is sometimes difficult to speak up about being offended. This is as it should be. When people offend, at least at Reed, it is almost never malicious. But being called offensive can be very hurtful. Everybody understands this, and so pointing out when somebody is offending you is a delicate process, and only productive under certain conditions. Marianna, you've simplified and idealized the constraints on this conversation. Political correctness is a very complicated issue to address, but on some level it amounts to finding a very fragile balance between being careful, and being open. If you're too careful, you cut into creativity and stifle dialogue, if you're too open, you hurt peoples feelings. In the article, the balance was lost, but that's hardly the fault of the community.

    It's because at Reed we take this balance so seriously that there's so much discomfort about the issue. You didn't name your college, but that's the nature of our kind of "safe" space, where mindless binaries are given up in exchange for the multifaceted complexities required of reality and demanded of an empathetic, rational mind. I'd be very surprised if the women at your college didn't feel the same way.

  • I Am Ashamed of Reed
  • Posted by Leslie A. Zukor , Anthropology, Senior at Reed College on October 15, 2009 at 7:30pm EDT
  • I am ashamed to be a student at an institution whose student body funds The Pamphlette. The Pamphlette is a group of adolescents who spend their Fridays trying to offend people, hardly the intellectual pursuit that Reedies are known for.

    At the Reed Forum on the incident, a Pamphlette staff member, Chip Williams, said "The fact that you were offended does not concern me." In other words, the apologies from the editors of The Pamphlette were hollow.

    I wrote the article raising concerns about The Pamphlette. I asked the editors to exercise responsibility in free speech and not publish anti-Semitic content. I also quoted the International Association of Genocide Scholars, who said that Holocaust denial paves the way for future genocides.

    The response from the editors was to publish an article making fun of Lewis and Clark, the claims of the International Association of Genocide Scholars, and me personally. It was definitely not a mature response from editors who had already apologized once for their actions.

    If anybody would like more information on the situation, feel free to email lazukor@gmail.com, and I can give you some perspective from a student who has been offended by The Pamphlette. Sadly, too few people have spoken out.

    But I will always speak out and defend my ancestors who were killed in the Holocaust, which is a tragedy, and should not be satirized.

  • Thanks Colin!
  • Posted by Andrew (Of The Pamphlette) , Student at Reed College on October 15, 2009 at 7:30pm EDT
  • I would like to genuinely thank Colin here for actually understanding what the point of our article was, and for adequately summarizing the historical facts of the situation which are absolutely necessary in order to understand why we published what we did.

    Ultimately, we at The Pamphlette are regretful for publishing a satirical article that was so thoroughly context-dependent. Without context, the article we wrote can indeed be taken as some a form of slander or hate speech, which is so far from the article's actual intentions. We regret that people were hurt or offended by our article. Nonetheless, it was a SATIRICAL, JOKE NEWSPAPER, something most people keep forgetting. We are sorry our joke perhaps went a little to far, but we hope people will just calm down, get over themselves, and move on. This is hardly a newsworthy story.

    Although I don't know who you are Colin, you should send me an email and I'll buy you a beer.

  • Oh, By the Way...
  • Posted by Leslie A. Zukor , Anthropology Senior at Reed College on October 15, 2009 at 8:00pm EDT
  • I love how the Reed students refused to give a copy of The Pamphlette's spoof of The Diary of Anne Frank. If The Pamphlette is so funny, then why be afraid of sharing past issues? In case you are interested, I can provide past copies of The Pamphlette, from my own personal files. Only then will people understand the magnitude of the disregard for people of Jewish heritage at Reed. My email is lazukor@gmail.com, and I only wish more Reedies would speak out against such satire. It is simply not funny to create the climate where Jews don't even feel that their heritage is respected.

    -Leslie A. Zukor

  • Irony
  • Posted by RM on October 15, 2009 at 8:00pm EDT
  • While I hasten to say that what saddens me the most here is the cultural and historical insensitivity displayed by these students, it also saddens me, as an English professor, that these students, and many of the commenters to this article, have so crude an understanding of irony and satire. And since a better understanding of these is important to the fundamental point about the hateful sentiments expressed, I feel the need to comment on irony and satire as forms of expression.

    Verbal irony is often described as "saying one thing and meaning another." So, these students and their defenders say, we didn't literally mean any of this. We meant something else! We meant that Holocaust denial was wrong or (a very different object of satire) that those who can't take a joke about denying the Holocaust are wrong. But irony is really not "saying one thing and meaning another." No expression of any interest ever says just one thing (in this simple version of irony, the thing that was not said but really meant), and this property of language is especially the case with irony, which says at least two things at once, and often more (hence we often have to ask: is that ironic?).

    In the particular case above, the humor says: 1) the positions espoused (Holocaust denial; excessive concern about cultural insensitivity) are laughable. (This is the limited extent to which the editors of the magazine and their supporters understand irony.); 2) The Holocaust never happened; Jews are being murdered (Yes, I know, this isn't "meant," but they still are said, and how do we know that writers or readers aren't getting momentary satisfaction in saying them, even if they disavow that satisfaction to themselves or others; 3) These are subjects we can joke about; I like to shock people. I don't care if the subjects I'm joking about are intensely painful ones. They are not so important compared to the pleasure I get in pissing people off.

    Likewise, the "joke" about Anne Frank's Diary, as I understand it, has a very simple sense of irony, that as long as the Diary isn't mocked directly, there's nothing offensive there. There's much more to this "joke" than that, but I won't go on.

    Let me close, however, by noting that another failure of us teachers of English is that people commenting seem to think that irony and satire are modern inventions. Yikes. Besides the ignorance of literary history here, it is letting these students off way too easy to say, "well they were raised on South Park and the Daily Show." If only, apparently. Strong and effective irony understands, intuitively if not consciously, the subtle and multiple ways irony means, as well as what kinds of irony work and what don't. These students (and their defenders) have no clue. I think they need to work not only on their cultural and historical insensitivities , but also their literary ones. When I was in college I took an entire course on satire. Maybe Reed should offer this course.

  • Colin wins.
  • Posted by M. , Reed Alum on October 15, 2009 at 11:30pm EDT
  • I really can't say it better than Colin. For those of you still unclear on the exact sequence of events leading to the article in question, read Colin's response.

    I find it ridiculous that certain people are so unable to grasp that there is, in fact, a difference between publishing outrageous over-the-top satire, and publishing one's own actual opinions.

    Tragedy is satirized constantly. And it should be. Life is less tolerable if one does not stand with one foot on either side of the line between the hideously depressing and the hilariously funny.

    Leslie, you may hate satire and think that nobody should ever make fun of anything remotely tragic, but quite a large number of rational human beings disagree. You obviously cannot process the fact that the editors of the Pamphlette are NOT ACTUALLY ANTI-SEMITES. I doubt you ever will. I imagine you will continue plodding through life, being offended by everything you can.

    Also, props to the Pamphlette editors. They have remained calm, level-headed, and reasonable whilst under attack from hordes of people who are anything but. And they publish a hilarious paper. Rock on, guys.

  • It was a column, not a letter...
  • Posted by Leslie A. Zukor , Anthropology Senior at Reed College on October 15, 2009 at 11:30pm EDT
  • Marianna - Just one small point of clarification. I wrote a column for the Quest and not a letter to the Quest. I both regularly photograph for the student newspaper and sometimes also write columns, and have published on a number of topics. So - don't try to trivialize what I wrote as a mere letter to the Quest.

  • Irony??!!??
  • Posted by Colin LaMont , Physics Major at Reed College on October 15, 2009 at 11:30pm EDT
  • RM, certainly Reed students do not believe satire is a modern invention. Hum 110 (Reed's required course) includes Aristophanes! In my year we read The Clouds, but I think they're back to reading Lysistrata. :)

  • Dear Leslie "A." Zukor,
  • Posted by McGarrett Sutherland , Psychology Major at Reed on October 16, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • I do not believe that you continue to harp on these non-issues because they actually offend you. I don't think that every time you happen to glance at something that doesn't take the Holocaust (and the deaths of your ancestors) EXTREMELY seriously, you weep for the memories of your family and shake your fist at the clear callousness with which the Pamphlette and all of its fans are making fun of your family, religion, and heritage.

    If you actually took any of this "misuse of the 1st Amendment" seriously, it seems to me, you would A) talk to the Pamphlette editors personally, like you didn't, B) stop reading the Pamphlette because you find it offensive, and stop collecting every issue for stashing in your own personal files (which ya didn't), C) courteously express your personal hurt and ask nicely if these articles could be toned down some (still didn't), or even D) ask other Jews whether they found it even remotely offensive, and write a letter--excuse me, COLUMN--in the Quest, written by a number of Reedie Jews to the Pamphlette to frame your argument with some substantive backing (oh wait, still didn't).

    No, actually, you're just bored. Bored, with nothing better to do.

    I am not a Jew. You are a Jew. You were "offended." And yet, other Jews at Reed exist, and they were not "offended." In fact, I personally know a number of Jews at this school who found the articles absolutely gut-busting.

    So stop whining. Kthxbai.

    P.S. Love the squirrel pics! Keep it up!

  • For Susy's first comment
  • Posted by Lewis & Clark student , Senior at Lewis & Clark on October 16, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • Hi Susy,
    I am glad you talked to Celestino Limas and feel comforted about your children applying to Lewis & Clark. It's been the best four years of my life here and I am sad that I have to leave so soon.
    I'd like to point out that in your first comment, you say, "I am angry for the fact that students are allowed to make a joke of a period where millions of lives were assassinated just for the fact of being Jewish" in reference to Lewis & Clark, but no jokes were made at Lewis & Clark. The swastika graffiti, while equally offensive to what the students at Reed did, was what took place at LC and no jokes were made in a publication.

  • A Thin Reed
  • Posted by RM on October 16, 2009 at 8:00am EDT
  • M, a Reed alum, writes, "I find it ridiculous that certain people are so unable to grasp that there is, in fact, a difference between publishing outrageous over-the-top satire, and publishing one's own actual opinions." Maybe, as Colin suggests, you all do study irony and satire in your introductory humanities course. If M is any evidence, however, you leave the course not only with a simple-minded notion of how irony works, but also a clueless belief that it is others who are unable to grasp the meaning of of irony. You can lead a horse to water...

    Meanwhile, McGarrett Sutherland's attack on his fellow Reed student has may silly ideas, including about how engaging in public discourse works. If you put something into writing that is publicly distributed, you open yourself to public criticism, not to personal courteousy calls. I could go on point by point through this post, but I think what I would have to say is obvious.

    One of my most esteemed colleagues is a Reed graduate and, though I don't know Reed well, I've always thought of it as a good school. I hope that the comments of Reed students such as Colin and M are not representative of the current student body.

    P.S. since M suspects people's motives, he or she might wish to know what my stake in this discussion is. First, I'm Jewish and I am offended; second, as an English Professor with a particular fondness for irony (which I think I do grasp, thank you very much), I hate to read simple-minded writing and analyses of it, and third, and maybe most importantly, as someone who is a US citizen and worries about a general decline in the level of political discourse in this country, I feel the need to speak out against statements that reflect this decline.

  • Posted by Devils Advocate on October 16, 2009 at 10:00am EDT
  • "some things are just not funny."

    You mean like how the inquisition is not funny? I mean, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Or how that eating Irish babies is not funny? Because it would be horrible to eat Irish babies.

  • Do your Homework!
  • Posted by Ruth Worley , Parent of Reedie at not yet institutionalized on October 16, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • Colin Wins. Stupid people are more easily offended than smart people. They do not even bother to check facts before they spout off.. Let us all hope that Reed continues to nurture our childrens ability to think and reason.

  • Some Homework
  • Posted by RM on October 16, 2009 at 12:15pm EDT
  • Taking the injunction to do our homework, I am offering some required reading, Linda Hutcheon, Irony's Edge: The Theory and Politics of Irony (Routledge, 1995). In this really interesting book one can read, e.g., this introductory statement concerning the problem of irony: "With irony there are . . . dynamic and plural relations among the text or utterance (and its context), the so-called ironist, the interpreter, and the circumstances surrounding the discursive situation; it is these that mess up neat theories of irony that see the task of the interpreter simply as one of decoding or reconstructing some 'real' meaning" (11). Also recommended reading, for a gentler and broader introduction to the subject: Claire Colebrook, Irony (Routledge, 2004).

    That homework gets assigned to all the commentators, such as Devil's Advocate, who think jokes and irony are simple. For Ruth Worley I have a special assignment. In the spirit of the fact checking to which she enjoins us, I'd like some peer-reviewed evidence for her claim that "stupid people are more easily offended than smart people." Or was this claim an ironic one?

  • Peer-Reviewed
  • Posted by fromtheSidelines on October 16, 2009 at 1:30pm EDT
  • RM, you might want to explain "peer-reviewed" just in case she doesn't think it simply means her friends agreed with her so that must make it true. I've had students turn in papers using sources such as Wikipedia, USA Today, and Wall Street Journal.

    Note to the psychology student - seek a new major. As a gatekeeper to the profession, I would not welcome your attitude to this profession.

  • What a mess!
  • Posted by Chris London (Reed '87) on October 16, 2009 at 2:00pm EDT
  • No amount of well constructed phrasing or attempts at rational argument would make any difference in any of this, so a few disconnected thoughts.

    1) I thought it was good satire when I first read it, mocking those who mock the legitimate need society has for people who raise red flags. Now reading the comments here it seems that maybe they writers did mean to stand on the side of those who mock the flag raisers, and in so doing end up standing on the right-wing side of the so-called culture wars.

    2) If Pamphlette wanted it to stay 'in-house' then you should have come up with a fictitious name for the college instead of using that school across the river that Reedies often like to look down on.

    3) I'd also originally read it as mocking the hand-wringing of liberals (and conservatives for that matter) who after the fact of a horrible event say "How could we have known? That Dylan Klebold seemed like such a nice boy!" when all along there were people (the red flaggers) who were telling them PAY ATTENTION (actually, I don't know if there was any flagging prior to Columbine, it's just the only image that comes to mind right now). I liked that. It's like now reading all people in the NY Times business section saying "of course the market isn't self-regulating". You jerks, you think that's a new discovery?! Some of us have been saying that, like, forever! But no, we were the lunatic fringe. And guess what, even though we were proven right, we're still the lunatic fringe. But I digress.

    4) I can see how the having the original mockery of denial being read as an exemplar of denial would be galling. But, frankly, I liked the piece before I knew the context because now I can't get past reading it as just being ad hominem against a specific individual, which has no redeeming value and no serious intent. Swift's intent was quite serious. The Pamphlette's seems to just be snide. Yes, humor can be serious! And really good humor is dead serious. I gave you guys too much credit.

  • I've been censored
  • Posted by Chris London on October 16, 2009 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Since the moderators of these comments saw fit to cut my point #5 I will rephrase it.

    #5) McGarrett Sutherland: you should be ashamed of yourself. I ashamed that you get to call yourself a Reedie.

  • Wait, what?
  • Posted by Rational Observer on October 16, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • "I'd like to point out that in your first comment, you say, "I am angry for the fact that students are allowed to make a joke of a period where millions of lives were assassinated just for the fact of being Jewish" in reference to Lewis & Clark, but no jokes were made at Lewis & Clark. The swastika graffiti, while equally offensive to what the students at Reed did, was what took place at LC and no jokes were made in a publication." - Lewis & Clark student

    Wait. Was your selling point right there supposed to be "at least we do anti-semitism right, not with some pussy jokes"? It's amazing how statements that claim that swastika graffiti is equally offensive to satire in a fake newspaper are now used in response to the satirical article that mocked those exact statements.

    Stay classy, L&C, and enjoy the fake rivalry.

  • RM
  • Posted by JOR , English Major at Reed on October 16, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • As thrilled as I am to see this become a forum for professors to patronize undergraduates, I hope as well that the sort of ad hominem polemics espoused by these individuals does not prevent further scholarly discourse. Of particular concern to me is utter lack of academic rigor behind the arguments of R.M. Rather than support his theses concerning irony, he has merely cited his own expertise, made dismissive and unfounded accusations regarding the intellectual aptitude of Reed students, and most egregiously, asserted an inherent superiority that attempts to reduce the heteroglossia-and as a professor, I am sure he will see where I am headed with this-of this open forum through intimidation. "Simple-minded," "clueless," "you can lead a horse to water..." "what I would have to say is obvious," "general decline of political discourse," "these students have no clue," "when I was a student": forgive the discontinuity of this selection of quotes. I intend them only as evidence of RM's assertion of power in this dialogue.

    To say that RM lacks academic argumentation would be false, so I suggest instead that his arguments must be looked at for what they indeed defend. RM writes, "the humor says: 1) the positions espoused (Holocaust denial; excessive concern about cultural insensitivity) are laughable." His language betrays the bias of his argument: the Pamphlette article parodies not excessive, but inappropriate and decontextualized concern. The original article, as Colin has already made clear, juxtaposed the claim that the holocaust does not exist alongside numerous fictional claims. RM's assertion that the literal signifier "holocaust doesn't exist" can be isolated from this context as suggestive of the belief itself is patently opposed to any understandings of semiology. This signifier is inscribed within a signifying chain of the claims that came before it; its literal signification is emptied in the process. The claim "the holocaust does not exist," therefore operates at the level of metalanguage and second order linguistics: discourse. The discursive register here is parodic: the phrase is imbued with the irrationality of the previous claims; the "butt" of the joke, as it were, is the deniers themselves.

    The subsequent parodies of concern for cultural insensitivity are inscribed within the context of the initial discursive register. Because it is holocaust denial that was initially parodied, Leslie Zukor's subsequent description of the article as insensitive to the holocaust could be read as histrionic and uninformed (I understand RM, that you were in part reacting to the assertion that the editors would dare to deem her uninformed). This latter critique then, is not of excessive concern, but inappropriate concern. Even if RM's argument that saying the holocaust did not occur signifies at least partially the literal meaning of the phrase, this is not the argument Leslie Zukor made, and it is not the one that was parodied.

    Still, I would like to return again to RM's question, "how do we know that writers or readers aren't getting momentary satisfaction in saying them, even if they disavow that satisfaction to themselves or others." He has employed this question as an argument for his theory of literal, single-leveled signification. Yet, this prodding rests upon assumption and, at best, pop psychology. Perhaps he can provide us with further evidence that they received pleasure from saying this, but I find this claim to be conjecture. As Bakhtin argues, the intent of an author is nearly ineffable. It certainly will be distorted if the heteroglossic discursive registers of the work are not accounted for.

    RM's argument that the "LC Kills Jews" article is insensitive seems to have greater validity. Leslie Zukor initially argued in her Quest article that by using the Holocaust as the Rohstoff of satire, the Pamphlette risked trivializing a topic that is of significance to many individuals. Although I have argued that the first article had not done this, it seems to me that the "LC Kills Jews" article does exactly what she had accused them of. In this, it is perhaps most of all poor quality humor, as RM has argued, because it lost sight of its initial aim as parody. As to whether it is offensive, that seems highly variable.

    This is an important point, I believe. As I am sure RM knows, contemporary theorists regard mimesis as barely functional in literary discourse. Genette argues that James's distinction of showing and telling is invalid, because all narrative discourse is Erzälung: telling. To ignore the stylistic-particularly parodic-mode of the discourse of the original Pamphlette article is a dangerous exegetic move.

    Here, I would like to argue against both the claims that I have made, and those of RM in his subsequent post. Literary history and academic discourse and understanding regarding literary concepts is not static. Rather, these concepts are fluid and cannot be treated as edifices. Literature is no longer understood as mimetic. De Man's treatment of allegory undermined its critiques by Coleridge and the other Romanticists. As an English major, who hopes to enter academia, I appreciate that RM has provided some theorists' analyses of irony. Yet, to suggest that these monoliths to be received is to ignore the fluidity of theory. At Reed, our conferences analyze and critique secondary texts, because they are not the be-all-end-all of knowledge. They are merely one person's ideas, and as I understand it, the reason all these journals are floating out and about where everyone has something to say about one line of Spenser is precisely because interpretations vary, and theory is mutable. Both RM and I are guilty of treating theories as permanent structures.

    For all of RM's critiques of Colin's argumentation, it is impressive that he has not bothered to look at Leslie's. She makes absurd claims such as "the Pamphlette is a group of adolescents who spend their Fridays trying to offend people." She oversimplifies and overgeneralizes; yes, Chip Williams said something, no, that doesn't mean it is true of all the editors. Leslie's next paragraph is simply baffling. It seems as if she is suggesting that by having written an article and making a request accompanied by a quote- another monolith- that something should have been done. Perhaps the implication is that because she, an individual, was offended, the Pamphlette should have been done with it. Leslie writes that the Pamphlette has created a "climate where Jews don't even feel that their heritage is respected." This is difficult to believe, perhaps because Reed has the 13th highest percentage of Jewish students in the country according to Reform Judaism magazine (http://reformjudaismmag.org/_kd/go.cfm?destination=ShowItem&Item_ID=1518). I don't feel unsafe going here, nor, do I suspect the other 399 Jews here who collectively make up nearly ONE THIRD of the student body (29.8%).

    Admittedly, this has trailed off.

  • Clarification needed....
  • Posted by LC on October 16, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • "Another editor of the publication said ... it was important to have context about Reed to understand what was going on. '...[O]ne of the students here thought it was right to contact someone at Lewis and Clark, when the article had nothing to do with Lewis and Clark,' she said."

    Does someone on the Pamphlette staff want to comment on this statement, given that Lewis and Clark was actually the target of this article? If I were a Lewis and Clark affiliate I'd be outraged.

  • Use Your Manners
  • Posted by PleaseSayItCorrectly on October 16, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • Okay, everyone please pay attention. I am not Jewish but for the sake of everyone who is Jewish ---- please stop calling them Jews. This is disrespectful. They are members of the Jewish faith not the Jew faith. We don't call Catholics the Caths now do we? It is only right that everyone please use the correct language - they are Jewish individuals. She is a Jewish woman.

    That is all - you can now return to your regular postings.

  • Re: Mr. Sutherland
  • Posted by M.L., a reed senior on October 16, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • The comments expressed by Mr. Sutherland are, in my opinion, in bad taste, and poorly reflect the views and opinions of the Reed community with whom I have spoken about this event.

    While the initial Pamphlette article (of fake history) was, in my personal opinion, an appropriate use of satire, the second article is deliberately aimed as an attack in response to Ms. Zukor's Quest response and includes content which, while certainly not intended as anti-Semitic, it is deliberately insensitive to much of the Reed community. While some members of the Jewish community may not be offended, it marks you as someone who has grown up in a privileged and comfortable bubble, Mr. Sutherland, to no be able to acknowledge that the content has strong potential to upset others.

  • Re: Clarification needed
  • Posted by M.L., a reed senior on October 16, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
  • As I understand it, the coincidence with L&C was unintended and unfortunately timed. The information about the swastika incident at L&C had not, to the best of my knowledge, been released until after the article was published. The Pamphlette article was a direct response to a submission to the Quest (Reed's newspaper), by Ms. Zukor (which was in turn a response to the 'fake history' Pamphlette).

  • Re: LC Clarification
  • Posted by Reed male , Senior English Major at Reed on October 16, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • "Does someone on the Pamphlette staff want to comment on this statement, given that Lewis and Clark was actually the target of this article? If I were a Lewis and Clark affiliate I'd be outraged."

    This again speaks to the importance of context. Lewis & Clark was not, as has been said dozens of times, I repeat, was NOT the target of the article. It was used as a reflective metaphor for the Reed community. Did you not notice that the name of the fictional satirical publication--printed in the Pamphlette article--was called the Leaflette? This has nothing to do with LC--it is about the politics of the Reed community, it is about Reed as an autonomous institution. The issue is so internal to our institution that the entire context of the article is nearly impossible to communicate to non-Reed-affiliated organizations, which is why it was radically inappropriate for the article to be sent to these respective organizations.

    On one of these forums, an LC student asked how would Reedies feel if something analogous happened on the LC campus, and the obvious response is that we wouldn't care if we understood that the publication in question was not at all directed at our community.

  • RM AND OLDTIMER
  • Posted by E.Moran , English Prof on October 17, 2009 at 8:00am EDT
  • are re-educators. RM joins Oldtimer in reccomending we cleanse our students (and everyone, I guess)of their insensitivities:

    From RM "I think they need to work not only on their cultural and historical insensitivities , but also their literary ones."

    Let's put them out on the Quad with OT's "social misfits". Re-indoctrinate the bastards till they all sound like RM. Pomposity is better than anti-social insensitivity.

  • Posted by C , student at L&C on October 17, 2009 at 8:00am EDT
    • Does someone on the Pamphlette staff want to comment on this statement, given that Lewis and Clark was actually the target of this article? If I were a Lewis and Clark affiliate I'd be outraged.

    I think it's pretty obvious that L&C was not the *target* of this article. It is, I think, excessively obvious that the article was referring to Reed the entire time. I'm from L&C, and had no background about the article when I read it, and I had no doubt about that intention. Regardless of how you feel about the message and/or execution of the "comedy," we should keep in mind that, at the root of this entire thing is little more than a giant misunderstanding. It's pretty apparent that the editors did not intend to elicit this reaction, and harping on it ad nauseam on the internet is only going to cause everyone to more fervently stick to their guns and express opinions that may never have even been considered if the conversation had not been pushed to this extreme. How about you stop wasting time and channel this passion into something that matters?

    One other thing--It's amusing that some people in this thread seem to have distilled Reed's 'honor code' down to the maxim "stop snitching."

  • Posted by M , student at Reed College on October 17, 2009 at 6:45pm EDT
  • Dear C, from L&C,

    Your 'amusement', or rather, schadenfreude at the reductionistic approach to our Honor Principle that you apparently only perceive in the comments by Reed students on this forum indicates that you too hold a reductionist conception of our Honor Principle, and frankly, that you do not consider the depth and weight that the HP is supposed to hold for our school. This may be yet another misunderstanding, but I feel that the tone of your last comment is also disrespectful to the ostensible - and most of the time - the actual guiding principle of our educational institution, debates about what "most of the time" and "actual" really mean for each member of the Reed community aside.

    This kind of harmful reductionism was also seen in attempts made, by those in the wider community, and by a Reed student or two in particular, to reduce this controversy over the Pamphlette 'article' to hollow rhetorical arguments that happen to concern what are actually very important, complicated and difficult issues for Reed, and ALSO for other colleges of its similar size, composition, and mission. These are things like understanding the true nature of satire and its appropriate use in humor, and the understanding of how the Honor Principle should be applied (hint: not as a retroactive punishment), and importantly, more essential and universal issues such as free speech, how to combat racism, achieving social justice, means/ends in all of these issues, and more.

    I'm not 'amused' at your school's misfortune and ignorance, which apparently happened along in the form of swastika'd bathrooms, and please don't be amused at Reed's eternal and essential negotiations with our Honor Principle, which you so kindly reduced to a campaign against "snitching."

  • Please Just Stop
  • Posted by Colin , Physics Major at Reed College on October 18, 2009 at 4:30am EDT
  • C. ... M. ... 

    Please.  I think you understand each other perfectly.  M,  swastikas drawn anonymously on a bathroom stall are the fault of the person who drew them, not the fault of the community's "ignorance" (except in a most tangled and useless kind of causal reasoning). It was an attack on LC, and as Reedies who have experienced similar attacks in the past, we should be sympathetic. C. this wasn't people yelling "stop snitching", this was "don't bring satire that's difficult to understand out of context, out of context".  That's hardly a reduction of the honor principle, it's a single demand.  You both know this, stop using oversimplifying rhetoric as a club.  There's no reason we must stoop to the level of those who caused this mess: those who would purposefully continue to misunderstand intent in order to further their delusion that they have "stood for up for what's right", when really they have only stood up for the thrill of hearing their own voices.

    Which brings me to R.M..  I can only say that if you weren't real, you'd have to be a character formulated by a master playwright. I particularly enjoyed this delicious line: "as an English Professor with a particular fondness for irony (which I think I do grasp, thank you very much), I hate to read simple-minded writing and analyses of it". That had me absolutely ecstatic with the recognition of perfect, glorious, cosmic irony: the kind that one rarely has the chance to experience in real life.  It has made this nasty thing almost worthwhile.  If you don't "get it", R.M. that's OK, irony can be pretty subtle sometimes.

    As an aside, Ruth Worley, I can only thank you for your praise, and your fantastic trust in letting your son or daughter learn and grow in the Reed community.  I hope that he/she is enjoying it as much as I.

  • Posted by jj on October 18, 2009 at 4:30am EDT
  • Reedies, if you claim Lewis & Clark was not the target and was just randomly chosen ... but just a "reflective metaphor" (what sort of academic clap trap is that?) .. then you really do need to get out of your library carrels once in a while.

    This sort of inward, navel-gazing mental masturbation is probably what had caused you to be so surprised that people are actually offended by your lame "satire."

    Grow up.

  • To "M"
  • Posted by EF , reedie on October 18, 2009 at 4:30am EDT
  • I'm pretty sure "C" was arguing that the comments regarding the honor principle in this thread have been using what you call a "reductionistic" approach. "C" wasn't using the "reductionist" approach him/herself. "C" seemed to understand that our honor principle is more than just "stop snitching."

    Deep breaths.

  • Devils Advocate
  • Posted by DFS on October 18, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • Perhaps you don't have a calculator with you. Allow me to calculate for you. Be warned: this is the concept called subtraction. Don't get bogged down by any annoying details -- I'll be brief.

    2009 minus 1940 equals 69 years. Perhaps that's not enough time to erase present life experience.

    I'm not a history major, though. Perhaps you can illuminate for me: when was the Inquisition over?

    I don't think anyone who was a victim, or an immediate family member or a friend of a victim, is still alive.

    I could be wrong, though. Perhaps there's some kind of inquisition at your campus still going on.

  • My final word on this -- and a question
  • Posted by RM on October 18, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • Folks--I wish I could respond to all the issues point by point. I am fortunate to have a day job, however, that I can't neglect. (Note to Colin: otherwise I'd be there thrilling to my voice). Let me express my appreciation though to JOR for his detailed set of points, and note to C. Moran that I am proudly a re-educator, and I would think all teachers are, since just about any education past age three is re-education.

    And in the pursuit of re-education, here's my question: a number of posters have compared the satire at issue with Swift's "A Modest Proposal." But it occurs to me that a problem with that comparison is that it likens reactions to Swift's piece now, at a very historical distance, to reactions to it in its own time. Did some people then take it seriously? Did some people then who were on the side of the Irish understand the humor, but nonetheless feel the situation was too serious to make those kinds of jokes? How did its Irish subjects feel about it? And is there any reception or political history that suggests the satire was an effective tool for Swift in this case? Or was Swift too was just thrilling to his own voice, even while the satire accomplished nothing?

    So for those of you whose day jobs are eighteenth-century literature, or who have time to do the research, inquiring minds want to know. I have to say, as they do on CNN (kudos to Jon Stewart), "I'll have to leave it there."

  • wow
  • Posted by ex-reed on October 19, 2009 at 5:00pm EDT
  • What an impressive display of arrogance. Props to the reedies who recognize the larger "contexts" and see that Reed does not exist in a vacuum.

    btw, DFS, there are indeed immediate family members of survivors who are still living.

  • ex-reed
  • Posted by DFS on October 19, 2009 at 6:15pm EDT
  • Yes, but I was speaking of the Spanish Inquisition, there.

    Exactly my point about the 20th century Holocaust. I already did the subtraction, dude/dudette!

  • form and substance
  • Posted by morris on October 21, 2009 at 3:30pm EDT
  • I decided to provide a comment because I believe that the people who published the "offending" item and various authors of comments are well-meaning and honorable people who deserve to hear from someone directly affected, some of the outrageous statements not withstanding.

    I differ from the others authors of comments because of my older age and because I am a survivor of the Holocaust - yes, I was there and I assure you it really, really happened. The civil war is history for me while the Holocaust is not. So do I see that this was a parody? Yes, of course. Is the Holocaust off limits for Humor? I don't think so, though one has to be careful how it is done. Do I find the result offensive? No the attempt is too crude to have any sting in it. Who if anybody is to blame? Not the students who are innocent children who don't know better as they play with fire. Whom do I hold responsible, then? The school teachers and administration who have not taught the students what it is to be an adult human. What happened? It is a demonstration that "a little learning is a dangerous thing," as the poem notes. I doubt that this item would have been written had the authors been more familiar with what they are dealing with. Now be honest with yourselves. Would you have written your item had you known what Hoess, commander of Auschwitz said about the gassing - "we knew that they were dead when the screeming stopped."

    We all make many mistakes as we live our lives. What separates the real humans from the wannabes is what we learn from our mistakes. You made a mistake - now what will you do to learn something from it? And your mistake is not that outsiders found out, or even what you published. But something much more deep than that. I leave it for you as an assignment to discover what the "real" mistake consists of. As one of my university professors used to say, over 50 years ago when he was displeased with an answer. "Your education has been neglected." It is time to fix that.

  • Reed College-Holocaust article
  • Posted by Bob LeBovidge , senior citizen at retired on November 9, 2009 at 5:45pm EST
  • Directed to all those immature,smart-A's responsible for this insensitive article:Thanks to my deceased grandmother's wisdom,who at the last minute,sent my 17 year old mother to America from Vienna,Austria,in 1921,instead of her older sister,my entire family was saved from the gas chambers of WW11.She brought some to the U.S.A.in Sept.1938,just before the anschluss,and the rest from Holland in 1940.Except for the oldest sister,who survived the war through the goodness of nuns,who hid her in a church basement,often having to eat tulip bulbs as food; her husband was Catholic and a deserter from the German army.what do these spoiled,ignorant,thoughtless american kids know of human suffering;they get fat eating pizza and subs,belong to fraternities/sororities with no worthy purposes,indulge themselves in meaningless activities,and G-D knows what else. What next?satirical articles of those poor victims of the 9/11 tragedy,unable to escape the burning floors above and beneath them,having to choose whether to jump to their deaths,or being FRIED ????.what these insensitive kids need are mandatory visual courses starting in public schools, showing man's inhumanity to man.Sadly,so much of America has lost it's caring ways by wallowing in self-indugence.....G-D help America.