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November 4, 2009

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The United States economy is at risk because Indian and Chinese universities are educating more engineers than American institutions, or because some European countries have graduation rates that put those of American institutions to shame, or because of … (fill in the blank with the comparison of your choice).

You’ve heard the comparisons. And many times -- without thinking much about the validity of the claims -- you may have been pleased by the rhetoric. After all, the figures are usually cited to emphasize the importance of higher education, and sometimes even to justify the need for more spending on higher education or for more rigorous preparation of students -- generally causes supported by academics.

But a report released today suggests that many of the most commonly cited figures are highly questionable, based on the sort of apples and oranges comparisons that statisticians should have rebelled against years ago. In a number of cases, the flaws may overstate significant problems in American higher education. In many other cases, the flaws may render data valueless for promoting the kinds of education reforms that are needed, the study says.

“The Spaces Between Numbers: Getting International Data on Higher Education Straight,” being released today by the Institute for Higher Education Policy, is by no means opposed to making international comparisons or to using data to inform policy. The author is Clifford Adelman, who before moving to the institute spent his career as an education statistics guru at the U.S. Education Department.

Adelman’s argument in fact is that the United States (and other countries) are losing the chance to benefit from comparisons because the flaws are so significant. And he suggests new approaches to data collection and analysis that could improve on the current system.

While the report’s criticism extends to a number of international projects, the prime target is the much cited data released by the Organization of Economic and Cooperative Development. Because the OECD’s members are economically advanced democracies, they are presumed to be a good comparison group, Adelman notes. But he argues that they aren’t. (OECD's press office did not respond to requests for comment.)

Among the criticisms raised in the study:

  • Degree completion data are flawed by comparing community colleges in the United States (where many students never intend to seek degrees) with students in European countries that have institutions offering sub-baccalaureate degrees, but that enroll only students seeking such degrees.
  • Another flaw in degree completion analysis is that data from the United States count only students who finish degrees at the institution they first enrolled in, while almost all other countries count “system” completion, giving credit for those who transfer. (The completion rate for the most recent OECD comparisons would have grown to 63 percent from 56 percent, had an equal comparison been used, but that figure was relegated to a footnote, the report says.)
  • Foreign students are counted in some countries’ totals and not in others -- a significant factor in some European countries that have high enrollments from other countries.
  • The definition of “beginning students” is so vague that some countries count students who have already earned postsecondary degrees.
  • The OECD counts all of a country’s bachelor’s degrees the same way, regardless of whether they are earned in three, four or five years.
  • Various ratios in data do not reflect significant changes such as population spurts or significant expansions of higher education systems. As a result, shifts in ratios -- of students or graduates per institution or the population -- have little value.

All of these problems result in “negative propaganda,” particularly about the United States and its educational quality, the report says.

In an interview, Adelman said that he didn’t think there was an ideological agenda behind the flaws, and that the issues are rather a reflection of institutional inertia. But the result is “numbers that are empty and void -- numbers that have no real meaning.”

While most of the report focuses on issues related to the OECD, Adelman also faults the U.S. Education Department for some of its data collection systems, in particular as they relate to community colleges. For instance, he notes a similar issue to the OECD use of data: The department tracks community college students as if every single one is a degree candidate. “They are not, and everyone who has worked over community college data knows that,” the report says. Why not separate data, he asks, for those in degree programs, for those in job training programs, for those in strictly remedial programs, and so forth?

How to fix the system? Adelman suggests many changes throughout the report to present more accurate comparison groups. But he also suggests some large shifts in how information is gathered.

One major change he suggests is an effort to reflect the way different countries divide their populations into “qualifying” students for higher education, and those who don’t qualify. Whether by national examination or high school attended or various other measures, data are influenced by who is really in the pool of potential students, he writes.

A second key change needed, he writes, is to study measures of “inclusiveness.” While OECD countries vary in which populations are disadvantaged or have been historically excluded from higher education, they all have such groups. And he writes that a key issue for all of these countries’ higher education systems should be the way they are reaching these populations.

The United States tends to focus on race and ethnicity, given the history of discrimination against various groups, and on wealth, since tuition is a factor in the United States. Some OECD countries have no tuition, and no similar history to the United States with regard to race, and so track disadvantaged populations in a range of ways -- such as geography. All nations could benefit, the report says, by learning to better identify and track such populations and to compete in narrowing gaps among groups.

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Comments on Apples and Oranges

  • Interesting article
  • Posted by Interested spectator on November 4, 2009 at 7:30am EST
  • If you don't like the conclusions, rubbish the methodology.

  • Posted by Jim on November 4, 2009 at 8:00am EST
  • It is politics after all. The best way to draw attention to somethng is to publish data that supports your contention, even if the one using the data knows it is flawed.

    We really should not compare our system with others unless the political system in that country equals ours, then we are all on the same political footing. For example does China have a 'No Child Left Behind Policy' or what about mainstreaming all students? Does that happen in any other country.

    On the college level we have a President that says 'everyone' should go to college, does this happen in other countries? Or is college earned through hard work and achievement, it is not a right of each indiviudal in those countries to atten college like int the USA?

    The other guage I use is the number of international students being educated in the US at the expense of colleges and universities (tax payers). If the education model is so good in their countries why come here? For the experience? Maybe, but my guess is that they can't get into their own schools. At our university which is a state run school, the first thing our internationals want to know is 'how much are you going to give me to come' this is taxpayer dollars, and I personally do not see this invsetment. I would rather spend the taxpayer money educating local citizens then those who come from other countries and claim that there educational system is far superior. The upper administartion sees it as a 'bragging' right, we have more international students then you. There will come a time when colleges and universities will say 'enough is enough' and then some hard financial decisions will have to be made.

    Oh well another day in the good ole USA.

  • Hypocrisy is alive and well in higher education
  • Posted by Norm Stahl , LIteracy Education at Northern Illinois University on November 4, 2009 at 8:45am EST
  • For over three decades there have been organized cross-national studies on the performance of school aged students in fields such as reading, science, and math. The youngsters from the U.S.A. have always been in the mix but rarely at the top of hill. Yet few individuals have taken the time to carefully evaluate the results from PIRLS, PISA, TIMMS, etc. Rather, higher education types have often been the very first to raise their copies of the local papers or to quote Fox News about how the education system has gone to hell in a handbag primarily to promote their own agendas.

    Now nobody can say that the public schools are perfect...far from it. Still fully understanding the findings from PIRLS, PISA and TIMMS is not something done over the grande coffee of the day at Starbucks. There are serious technical manuals that come out over a period of years. There are so many subsets of the data that it would take months if not years to fully understand the findings. Yet those in the Ivy Tower along with politicians and Dittoheads are ready to attack the schools without fully understanding the cross-national data (and what do you tell your students about data?....I thought so.). Further, if it is a given that folks have not actually read the reports, it is ever more the fact that folks have not read the literature speaking to the misuse of such data.

    So now we enter an era where higher education is finally becoming accountable, and the myth of being the shining star of the U.S. education system is being exposed in various ways. You'll have to live with the results of the cross-national studies whether the results be good or bad from a national or state or institutional perspective. You best learn about the research methods. You best learn of the uses and misuses of such reports. AND finally, welcome to a club that has been beat-up regularly with the misuse of the results of cross-national studies.

  • thanks to Cliff and IHE
  • Posted by Gerald Sroufe , Director of Government Relations at American Educational Research Association on November 4, 2009 at 9:30am EST
  • Cliff Adelman and IHE warrent our appreciation for bringing some concrete, verifiable examples to the ongoing debates regarding international comparisons of institutions of higher education. Many have decried the apples and oranges comparisons, but most have been content to provide a single example of the problem. Not all of the points raised in the study are likely to prove of equal impact in explaining the limitations of current comparisons, of course, but at least the debate can move from hand-wringing and chess-thumping to examination of data in accord with a compelling list of problem areas.

  • Posted by Patricia Maloney on November 4, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • Fine work by Clif and IHEP. Anyone interested in learning more about this should ask ACE to make Jane Wellman's outstanding paper from 2007, Comparing Apples and Oranges in the Small World, publicly available. Some may claim that numbers do not lie, but the placement and interepretation of those numbers is a critical act.

  • Thank You
  • Posted by Campus Entrepreneurship , Higher Education/Entrepreneurship PhD Student/Blogger at GMU on November 4, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • Good to see this report, now we can only hope that the media/general public take notice. The disappointing part is that there are many people/institutions that benefit when American Higher Education appears in crisis. Hopefully we will see more studies/researchers asking the questions that Adelman/IHE have posed.

  • K-12 Comparisons Are Equally Fraught
  • Posted by Claus von Zastrow , Executive Director at Learning First Alliance on November 4, 2009 at 8:45pm EST
  • The OECD has also had difficulties making apples-to-apples comparisons between industrialized countries' K-12 systems. Comparisons get used for all sorts of purposes by people from across the political spectrum, but the quality of the data or the true lessons of the comparisons are not always clear.

    A related topic: A new study of the Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics pipeline suggests that U.S. is not losing STEM candidates, as is often supposed. It also finds that it's the highest performers who have been dropping out of the STEM pipeline in greater numbers over the past decade. This gives the lie to arguments that other countries are filling economic demands we're neglecting. It seems, in fact, that the economic incentives for staying in STEM have been weakening.