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Catching Up to Canada

November 6, 2009

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VANCOUVER, B.C. -- Caveats about the data aside – and there are plenty, admittedly – the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s heavily used rankings on countries’ college outcomes place Canada at the top of the list for the proportion of citizens with a postsecondary credential.

So when President Obama, in a speech to Congress in February, set a goal of having the United States get back to the top of that ranking by 2020, "that means that you're trying to bump us off," Noel Baldwin, a policy and research officer at the Canada Millennium Scholarship Fund, told a group of mostly American researchers during the annual meeting of the Association for the Study of Higher Education.

Baldwin and the fund’s associate executive director, Andrew Parkin, dubbed their presentation “Canada: An Easy Target? What American Educators Need to Know to Overtake Canada as the OECD’s Most Educated Country, and What Canadian Educators Need to Know to Prevent It.” The title was a joke, sort of, but it provoked some fascinating, and very sobering, discussion about the impediments that stand in the way of efforts to ramp up the number of Americans with college degrees – and, among other things, about what kinds of degrees they should be.

First, those pesky numbers. Forty-seven percent of Canadians have a postsecondary degree of some kind, compared to 39 percent of Americans, and the numbers look worse (or better, if you're Canadian) when you look at citizens aged 25 to 34, as 55 percent of Canadians and 39 percent of Americans in that group have degrees (placing the U.S. 10th).

Why is that so? Several reasons, structural, societal and otherwise, the Canadian researchers asserted.

  • The mix of institutions is different, with much greater proportions of Canadians going to what the country calls "colleges" (which are two-year and career institutions) than to universities. Of the 55 percent of Canadians with degrees, nearly half, 26 percent, have sub-baccalaureate degrees from colleges, while in America, only 5 percent, out of the 39 percent of all those with postsecondary degrees, have the sub-baccalaureate degrees.
  • Tuitions are lower (in Quebec, college -- as opposed to university -- is free).
  • There is less income inequality in Canada, and also more equality in the academic preparation of young people by socioeconomic status. So while it's a much-bemoaned fact in the United States that wealthy students with poor academic credentials are more likely to go on to higher education than are high-achieving poor students, that's not true of Canada, Parkin said.
  • Significantly greater proportions of second generation immigrants graduate from high school and go on to postsecondary education in Canada than in the United States.

So what might the United States do to catch up to Canada? Or, as Parkin put it, "We're giving you our pointers so that you can help President Obama meet his goal."

Of course, two of the three suggestions aren't exactly going to be quick fixes: ensure a "more equitable distribution of income" across the population (a worthy goal, but "the extent to which you can work on that may be a different matter," Baldwin acknowledged), and ensure better educational outcomes for immigrants, another major challenge.

But the third was interesting: develop a "more flexible [postsecondary education] system with better non-university options," particularly for low-achieving students. In Canada, the colleges are seen as not only a viable option, but in many ways the option of choice, for many young people. In the United States, meanwhile, Baldwin said it seemed as if there is a "tendency to push four-year degree attainment," often making sub-baccalaureate degrees seem like a second-rate option.

Still, the idea that the U.S. lacked "non-university options" seemed to perplex many in the audience. Aren't there already significant non-four-year options in the United States -- where close to half of all students enroll at some point in a community college, and the proportion of Americans enrolling in for-profit colleges is approaching 10 percent, many of them in sub-baccalaureate programs?

Dewayne Matthews, vice president for policy and strategy at the Lumina Foundation for Education, the designated "respondent" to the Canadian researchers, noted that some policy experts in the United States have argued that the way the federal government and the OECD currently count the completion data significantly undercount the American numbers, by omitting community college students who transfer without an associate degree but never get a bachelor's, for instance, or take a six-month certificate program in body shop work and then get a job paying $40,000 a year.

Matthews said he wasn't sure that even counting such people would significantly change the overall picture, and an additional slide of data that the Canadian researchers presented seemed to offer a clearer -- and potentially more troubling -- explanation for the gap. About two-thirds of Canadians who enter "college" (remember, we're talking two-year public and private career institutions) graduate within four years, and only 19 percent have given up on postsecondary education entirely. The proportion of graduates rises to 73 percent after five years.

By comparison, U.S. federal data show, fewer than half of first-time freshmen who enrolled at two-year institutions in 1995-96 had either transferred to a four-year institution or earned a degree or other academic credential within six years. While some of those students may not be seeking a degree, the much lower success rates of American community college students seems like an inarguable problem, Matthews said.

While it might have seemed like a ploy to make the mostly American audience feel better, Baldwin said that his country was "stealing things" from American higher education all the time, because "we're going to try to stay ahead of you on those [rankings] tables."

American colleges are doing a much better job with early intervention efforts to get low-income young people prepared for college, for instance, and much more effectively using institutional financial aid, he said.

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Comments on Catching Up to Canada

  • Better prepared matriculants
  • Posted by Patrick Mattimore , Retired teacher on November 6, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • Would seem fairly obvious but since it wasn't mentioned... Canada routinely outscores the US on international tests (K-12). Therefore: how about sending better prepared students to college.

  • Apples and Oranges
  • Posted by James Cote , Professor/Sociology at University of Western Ontario on November 6, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • Don't be fooled by Canada's claims to be a world leader in producing university graduates. Community colleges in many provinces are mainly vocational and apprenticeship programmes that do not 'convert' to academic degrees like the AA. Here is a sample course offering at one college in Ontario: http://www.sl.on.ca/index.aspx?iPageID=110&iMenuID=6&iCurrID=13

  • Re: Catching up to Canada
  • Posted by Alexandra on November 6, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • It won't be long before the US catches up. Roger Martin dean of Toronto's Rotman School of Management wrote this article: http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2009.11-policy-who-killed-canadas-education-advantage/
    A forensic investigation into the disappearance of public education investment in Canada.

  • How Does the U.S. Improve
  • Posted by Ed Meehan , Partner at Arcady Bay Partners on November 6, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • The article make some very good points. From my limited knowledge of the Candian system, it seems that students in 4-year institutions are encouraged to have a program focus upon entering such institutions. In the U.S. I believe that colleges and universities, in general, do not give students good direction on skill sets required for certain degrees, the earnings potential for degress (versus the loans they may take on) or programs that they are best suited for. These are all topics my wife and I discussed with our children before they started college.

    Historically, our system has done a great job overall but looking forward we need to help students better understand how college can help them meet their goals, what they capabale and qualified to pursue and how the cost of college compares to the potential outcome that can be attained.

  • Look at inputs by institution
  • Posted by Ryan Craig at Wellspring on November 6, 2009 at 10:15am EST
  • My senior essay at Yale in the Economics department (which won a departmental prize back in the 90s) suggested that the organizing principle of the Canadian university system explains this result.

    In the U.S., the gap between our best and worst schools is very, very wide. In Canada the pie is more evenly shared so that no university gets fat, and none goes hungry. This is a statement with which most Canadians would agree, rather proudly I think. It is the natural product of our post-secondary philosophy that attempts to provide at least a decent quality education to those who meet the requisite standards. Indeed, for a representative sample of 39 Canadian universities and 117 U.S. schools in 13 categories of resources or inputs to the educational process (average entering grade, educational budget per student, financial aid, library resources, computer resources, research expenditures, etc.) the U.S. institutional values deviated from top to bottom about 3 times as much (controlling for size of sample) as the more homogeneous Canadian values. So whereas in Canada, educational budgets per student range from $8,000 to about $14,000 among institutions, in the heterogeneous U.S. system, $4,000 educations can be found alongside $40,000 educations.

     

    So what? Well we can abstract from this and come up with a neat hypothesis, if we can conceive of university system as a factory wherein educational inputs are transformed in a process to produce what we might call educational excellence, the range of quality of institutions (resources allocated to institutions) comes into play. For if, in fact, there is production of education (educated students and published research) occurring in our university system, we might well ask what sort of returns we are obtaining from our educational inputs. In particular, we might inquire as to the returns to scale in our educational system. What are returns to scale? If you double your inputs and more than double your output, you are blessed with increasing returns to scale. If instead, you fail to double your output, you are cursed with decreasing returns to scale. What does this have to do with range of quality of institutions? Well, it can be simply demonstrated that if the production of educational excellence is characterized by increasing returns to scale, a wider range of institutional quality will produce a higher output total than a more narrow range. This is to say that if we can demonstrate that the production of educational excellence is characterized by increasing returns to scale, a U.S.-type system will produce more excellence than a Canadian-type system, all other things being equal (including total resources put into the system) .

     

    I would not have been so struck by the above results had it not been for the fact that I had one more educational output to test: graduation rate. It is difficult to conceive of graduation rate as an indicator of excellence. For graduation rate measures the percentage of entering first-year students or second-year students who eventually obtain their degree. Ask students at any university and they will tell you that the hard part is first getting admitted, and then performing well, not merely graduating; it is hard to demonstrate excellence, it is easy to get by and graduate. So when graduation rate demonstrated decreasing returns to scale in my model, things began to make sense. Intuitively, the Canadian system, which (relative to the U.S.) mixes its best and worst resources (students, faculty, plant) at each institution, might not fare as well in producing excellence as the U.S. system which concentrates its best resources at a handful of institutions, and leaves the rest to fend for themselves. For given these increasing returns, the levels of excellence produced by these top U.S. schools are extraordinary, and serve to lift the entire system. On the other hand, the Canadian system allows the least qualified (and perhaps most underprivileged) students access to some of its best resources and as a result, and as the best students are going to graduate no matter where they go to school, we see that the Canadian system fares better in graduating its students than the U.S. system.

     

    Consider the analogy of agriculture. The U.S. concentrates its fertilizer resources in certain areas, providing bountiful crops in these regions, while leaving other plots of land unfertilized. Canada spreads its fertilizer over all its land, proving equality of opportunity for every seed to flower. What Canada may not have realized though is that the price of a better completion rate may be educational excellence.

     

     

  • Even OECD regards Canada's data as Inflated
  • Posted by Cliff Adelman , Senior Associate at Institute for Higher Education Policy on November 6, 2009 at 10:15am EST
  • There is always a question in international degree data comparisons as to what is counted as a higher education "degree." In the Canadian case, even OECD regards the reported data to be "inflated" (see Education at a Glance 2008, Annex 3, page 26). Why? First, because some of what we would call "certificates" are included with what we would call associate's degrees. In the international classification system (however flawed it is), these certificates are included in a category labeled "Post-secondary but not Tertiary," i.e. not really higher education (well, it could be argued, the U.S. grants some associate's degrees with shaky higher education justification). Second, the Canadians grant something called a "College Post-Diploma," i.e. a recognition of a modicum of work in higher education beyond the high school diploma. It's not clear what this creature is or how much of what the Canadians report for degrees it accounts for. The bottom line---as in most contemporary international comparisons---is fog. Another feature of the Canadian system that should feed into any analyses of this type is the power of the Provinces (far greater than that of the states in the U.S.) to determine exactly what credentials will be awarded within their jurisdictions. Each Province reports separately, and to get at the data one has to go on Web sites, Province-by-Province, add the numbers, and then compare to what you get from StatCan's on-line table generators. You might be driven slightly batty in the process.

  • Other Differences
  • Posted by Robert Leopard , Biology Instructor at Monroe Community College on November 6, 2009 at 10:15am EST
  • I just drove from New York to Michigan through Ontario. All the pedestrian bridges and overpasses in metropolitan areas in New York and Michigan had fencing to prevent vandals' throwing things off the bridges. There were no fences on overpasses in the communities I drove through in Ontario. We in the US have problems that we need to address. Education is part of the solution, but education's problems are due to deep social problems not of education's making and out of education's control.

  • Living at Home
  • Posted by Gloria , Retired Professor at Simon Fraser University on November 6, 2009 at 1:00pm EST
  • I taught in the Canadian university system for 35 years. A very high percentage of students (age 18 to 25) in both the universities (especially the mid-sized universities) and the colleges live at home. Living at home significantly reduces the cost of attending a tertiary institution and, I believe, it is a major reason that so many parents can afford to send their children to university or college. I suspect the significance of students being able to live at home while attending a tertiary institution has not yet been grasped by those who do research on university attendance rates.

    Degree completion in Canada may be high because students living at home are still provided with a high degree of daily structure. A student is far less likely to "sleep in" when parents are in the same residence or to engage in other behaviors that reduce academic performance, such as drinking or gambling.