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November 11, 2009

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Lloyd A. Jacobs announced last week that in his role as president of the University of Toledo, he plans to interview every faculty member who comes up for tenure before making a recommendation to the board on whether to approve the bid.

While many faculty members are angry about the idea that an academic career can be evaluated in a short conversation, Jacobs said he finds it odd that people expect a president to urge trustees to grant tenure to someone without the president having talked to the person and formed an independent judgment. "I think that the concept of university presidents being relegated to a rubber stamp role is one of the downsides of our current higher education," he said.

It's time for presidents, he added, "to take more and more responsibility to improve the way we execute our responsibilities."

In his three-plus years as president, Jacobs said, he has reviewed about 20 to 25 tenure bids a year and, to date, never rejected a candidate who had support in the various reviews that traditionally take place before the dossier reaches the president's office. So what insights does he hope to gain?

"I am making an independent judgment. I am attempting to exercise the responsibility that the board has delegated to me, in the best possible way," he said. "It's putting a face with a name, including the data gained from observation of body language, facial features, voice tone," he said. He said that the interviews would last about 30 minutes, and would cover teaching, research, service and other issues depending on where the conversation leads.

Jacobs, a surgeon who was president of the Medical University of Ohio before it merged with the University of Toledo, said that he has interviewed hundreds of job candidates over the years, for a range of positions. "You do interviews all the time and you gain information all the time," he said. Asked how he would approach scholars in disciplines different from his own, he said it was the same as this reporter interviewing him "without necessarily having content expertise." Further, he said that university presidents, whatever their discipline, interview senior candidates for finance or media relations positions all the time even if the president never studied those subjects.

At Toledo, the announcement has drawn harsh reactions from many faculty members. The head of the Faculty Senate said he was reserving judgment until he can talk to Jacobs, but said that the Faculty Senate should have been consulted on such a change and was not.

Harvey Wolff, president of the Toledo chapter of the American Association of University Professors, which is the faculty union at the campus, said that he believed the change violates the union's contract and should have been subject to negotiations. (Jacobs disagrees.) Wolff, a professor of mathematics, said that "this raises concerns that the president is going to be making decisions based on something" that is not actually known. "What if you have a whole bunch of yeses [in the review process] and then the president says no?"

Wolff said that while some faculty members are denied tenure by departmental committees, the norm is that annual reviews are used to let people know that they are unlikely to win departmental approval and that many of those likely to be rejected "never reach the tenure year." Wolff said that the system is working well.

The student newspaper, The Independent Collegian, ran an editorial Monday questioning the wisdom of personalizing the final stages of the tenure review process. "We find that Jacobs’ need to make his judgment on a 'face-to-face understanding' to be quite problematic. Although Jacobs will not admit it (for obvious reasons), face-to-face interviews with him will factor in personal attributes of the candidate into the process. And while it is obvious that personality is factored into the process at the departmental level, the fact is such biases are unavoidable within academic departments, but they are avoidable at the administrative level," the editorial says.

What Is the President's Role?

While the new policy at Toledo is unusual, it illustrates the lack of consensus about what role the president should play in tenure reviews. Several experts said that while some colleges operate with the expectation that the president is making an independent judgment of the review process, others operate with the expectation that the president is primarily making sure that procedures were followed -- and perhaps getting more involved in cases where various review panels disagreed.

Richard Chait, a professor at the Harvard University Graduate School of Education who has written extensively on higher education governance, said that the Toledo policy was "exceedingly unusual" and that he was "personally not aware of any other university where that occurs routinely or even exceptionally." He said that a presidential interview at the end of a tenure review means would create "the only part of the dossier available to only one individual in the process."

At a number of colleges, he said, presidents interview potential faculty hires, although even there, he said, "it's most often in the context of trying to point out the strengths of the institution."

Cary Nelson, national president of the AAUP, said that "routine interviewing of internal candidates for tenure by a university president is ill advised and arguably quite inappropriate." He said that there may be a need to do so in the event of "factual contradictions in the tenure papers." But he said that "universal interviewing by a president risks giving the impression that the faculty's voice is secondary and that subjective personal impressions -- rather than documentary evidence -- will decide the matter."

Ann Franke, presidents of Wise Results, which consults with colleges about legal and other policy issues, said she thought the Toledo policy was "unusual and could create some risks." She said that when a president considers someone in his or her own discipline, "the urge to revert to the disciplinary role could become particularly strong in a face-to-face interview. In that situation, a tenure candidate from the same field as the president would undergo a different process than a candidate from another field."

Further, Franke noted that any remark by a president could be used in a lawsuit. In such a circumstance, she said, "the two people involved in the interview could have radically different recollections," but "most of the time a jury would be more sympathetic to the plaintiff’s version than to the president’s." She said that presidential remarks have been cited in court challenges to tenure decisions. For instance, such comments were cited in a 1989 federal appeals court's ruling against Boston University, in a suit brought by a woman who was denied tenure. The woman won her sex discrimination claim and the appeals court upheld the entry as evidence of comments attributed to the then-president of the university, John Silber. The comments were not made in an interview setting, but Franke noted that the court allowed the comments to be considered by the lower court. (BU disputed the charges in the case.)

Jacobs isn't deterred by the criticism. He said that the reason he is planning interviews is precisely because he recognizes the importance of tenure decisions. The decision to grant tenure, he noted, could easily be a $1 million or $2 million lifetime investment by the university, extending for decades. "I decided to do this because I take my responsibilities seriously.... I'm responsible to the future and to the organization."

Asked if he knew of other presidents interviewing every tenure candidate, Jacobs said, "I understand many do, but I don't know their names."

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Comments on 30-Minute Chat to Tenure

  • 30 Minute Chat
  • Posted by RJS , Executive Assistant to the President at Bethel University on November 11, 2009 at 6:15am EST
  • I'm amazed at the comments in this article. The individuals cited for comment seem not to understand that mid-size and smaller colleges and universities in this country routinely have extensive promotion and tenure processes that include the dean or provost and president. Further, at the many colleges with 200 or fewer faculty, the president is likely to know each of the faculty by name, be familiar with their research and reputation, and have a significant voice in moving promotion and tenure toward approval by the trustees. Now it may be that a school with 20,000 students like UToledo finds that unusual, but schools with 6000 students like my own don't. Under many colleges' governance structures, it is in fact the president who makes the final recommendation to trustees; all previous reviews are recommendations to the administration.

  • Worst Idea Ever
  • Posted by Comic Book Guy on November 11, 2009 at 8:45am EST
  • RJS--as chair of a large department of comic book studies, I sign off on lots of papers every day without talking to the people who prepared them or trying to prepare them myself. My job is to take a quick look and make sure everything is in order, and, if there is a particular problem with a memo or form, to try to resolve it. That, as someone says in the article, is the President's job. He or she gets paid to see the big picture and to be a final arbiter of tough decisions, not to second guess the work of everyone from the candidate to a department committee, department chair, external reviewers, a college committee, a dean, and a provost. Besides the total of faith in his advisors, this choice seems bad judgment because the President is hired to do other things. Think of the opportunity costs here (not to mention the litigation).

    Unless, of course, this President is, in reality, Spiderman (oh that Spidey sense).

  • Posted by N on November 11, 2009 at 9:30am EST
  • I agree with the first comment. Why is this a story? I'm a prof at a division II school in the mid-west and everyone talks to the chair, the provost and the president. And comic book guy, I don't see much that is bigger picture for universities than top quality faculty. Are you saying faculty tenure and promotion is a second tier priority?

  • Why Wait to Conversate?
  • Posted by Steve on November 11, 2009 at 9:30am EST
  • If the president is really interested in getting to know untenured faculty, he should meet with them once a year rather than wait until right before the tenure decision is made. This way he could offer constructive criticism which would give faculty a chance to "improve" (notice the quotes) before it's too late. It makes no sense to me that the president would want to wait until the last possible second to figure out if the faculty member meets his standards. If he's going to micromanage, he should at least do it right.

    Nevertheless, if this is going to become an official part of the tenure process, it needs to be written into the contract. No ifs ands or buts here.

    Our contract stipulates that the college president has the final say as to whether tenure and promotion are awarded. I don't like this one single bit, but it's in there!

  • I'm tired of "woe is me"
  • Posted by anonymous , staff member on November 11, 2009 at 9:30am EST
  • I'm sorry, did you say "comic book studies"? I baaaadly want to poke fun at that, but I'll stop here.

    I *cannot* understand how anyone can fault a president for exercising due diligence before recommending that her institution offer a commitment of lifetime employment to a candidate. That's what we're talking about here: due diligence. How can it be a bad thing that the president wants to have 30 minutes to interact with a person whose continued employment represents a 30-year/million-dollar strategic investment?

    Having been in higher ed for the past several years I can't say whether it exists in other industries, but a pervasive attitude has fallen on most of us. It's an attitude of oppression - that every action and every change represents forces conspiring against you. A president wanting to spend 30 minutes talking with a tenure candidate isn't oppressive - it's an opportunity. How often does a faculty member get 30 minutes 1 on 1 wiht a president? How often do you get to explain to a president why what you do is important? How often do you get to explain to a president what your priorities are and how you want to shape the institution and your department? Take advantage!

    Jeez...

  • Posted by Cal State Student on November 11, 2009 at 9:45am EST
  • I will never understand faculty's indignation at being asked to do what the rest of the world is asked to do. This collective need to be constantly stroked and petted and assured that you're the most important people ever. Oh yes you are.

  • This is how tenure dies
  • Posted by GH at Columbia on November 11, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • If said this for a long time, but when tenure dies, and it will, it will be faculty who let it do so. There is no sympathy or understanding for tenure outside of higher education and higher education makes no effort to explain in a positive way why tenure is important.

    Instead, we get temper tantrums like those being thrown at UToledo right now because the president wants to interview candidates. RJS is correct. This happens at all sorts of institutions and I have to question the legitimacy of Inside Higher Ed being able to find not one.

    Can faculty really not here how silly, "If the president tries to interview me for my promotion, I'll sue!" sounds? Higher education may not need public support for tenure, but it at least needs its indifference. And stories like this just continue to create hostility to tenure and when it dies, it will die with applause, not with sadness.

    Should the AAUP spend a fraction of the time educating the public as it does threatening the public, tenure would be a much stronger institution.

    Faculty at UToledo, you may win, but this victory like so many regarding tenure will be Pyrrhic.

  • Posted by Tenured at Toledo on November 11, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • Anonymous at 9:30am asks, "I *cannot* understand how anyone can fault a president for exercising due diligence before recommending that her institution offer a commitment of lifetime employment to a candidate."

    Due diligence is reading the HUGE dossier he receives for each candidate (mine filled a 5 inch binder), filled with narratives on professional activity, teaching, and service, a CV, *all* the documentation to back that up (including *all* publications, *all* student evaluations, etc., etc.), 5 or 6 letters from outside reviewers, and the evaluative letters with the decisions from all the levels below him: department personnel committee, chair, college personnel committee, dean, university personnel committee, and provost.

    If our president really wants to "exercise the responsibility the board has delegated to [him]," then he should read the dossier and make his "independent judgment" based on that (which would surely take longer than 30 minutes). But he'd rather have a 30 minute interview and judge tenure candidates on "body language, facial features, voice tone."

    *That's* what we fault him for.

  • Why interview with so much documentation?
  • Posted by PW on November 11, 2009 at 10:00am EST
  • Why would the President not review the written materials - or a summary of the materials - the candidate so carefully prepared for the tenure process? Academics rely on careful documentation and research. Academic institutions should select their own tenured candidates with similar care--not a quick conversation.

    A high-stakes interview with a president who can negatively determine one's fate if he like the candidate in 30 minutes--despite the candidate's documented performance as researcher and teacher--seems totally against the mission of an academic institution.

    If, as the president states, he wants to wants to take his "responsibilities seriously," he should examine the materials based on the candidate's documented performance, not the candidate's ability to perform in a 30-minute conversation. As educators know, we should evaluate people based on the criteria we establish for them. I doubt that the tenure and promotion materials for this institution say that one criteria is to win over the institution's president in a 30-minute interview.

    This also undermines the extensive amount of work that committees from the department on take to review, discuss, and vote on as the candidate's file moves its way upward.

  • Toledo tenure
  • Posted by guido stempel , distinguished professor emeritus of journalism at ohio university on November 11, 2009 at 10:15am EST
  • It's nice the president wants to talk with faculty. It may help him understand his university better. However, the minute he rejects a departmental recommendation he is in trouble and probably on his way to court.
    He lacks the expertise to make such a judgment.

    The provost at my university years ago said his job was to see whether the case had been made that the candidate had met the departmental policy requirements, not to judge the merit of the individual.

  • Criteria for Tenure?
  • Posted by Ohio Prof on November 11, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • Those of you who are siding with President Jacobs, think about what you are saying. You are agreeing with the idea that, even if the department, Dean, and Provost recommend you for tenure after reviewing the reams of evidence collected in your tenure dossier, Jacobs can overturn that decision because he doesn't like what you look like (too ugly? too dark?), or the tone of your voice (too shrill?), or how you answer loaded political questions.

    Seriously? You agree with that?

  • Validity Is the Question
  • Posted by Robert W Tucker , President at InterEd, Inc. on November 11, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • The issues one might raise concerning this president's judgment lie not with authority qua his role as president but with his ability to incorporate modern scientific evidence into his patterns of reasoning.
    The predictive validity of the selection criteria he proposes to employ have been demonstrated to be low, often approximating chance or producing negative selection in relation to the goal. Even worse, they embed tacit biases that do not serve the explicit goal.
    This president may wish to trade his excessive self-confidence for scientific facts. He might begin with a few hours of reading, beginning with the 50 year old IBM research, progressing forward to at least the 1990's.
    Robert W TuckerPresidentInterEd, Inc.

  • Only ONE "chat"?
  • Posted by James Morgan , Assistant Professor, CIS on November 11, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • The surprise is not that the President want to meet tenure-track faculty - but that he/she only wants to meet them ONCE. The President, as leader, should be meeting with them routinely throughout each year.

    How else can they know them well enough to recommend them for tenure? Or anything? Or know if the process is working/broken?

    As previous poster has commented - the separation from reality of the academic world can be remarkable.

  • Recent History of The University of Toledo
  • Posted by James on November 11, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • Given the history of the University of Toledo over the last decade as chronicled extensively in the higher education and national press, I can't imagine anyone rushing to get obtain a faculty position there. However, the current economic climate will naturally cause people who would not otherwise consider doing so to take up jobs at the university to do so. For those who are considering taking up positions there, I would strongly advise doing a search to read about the university's recent history.

    From what the article indicates, the level of knowledge of recruitment by the president is simply abysmal. In the untenured faculty corner: A career in preparation for reasonably a decade or more since terminal degree: In president corner: A 20 minute "interview". Added value: negative zero.
    This is pathetic.

  • reality?
  • Posted by UT prof on November 11, 2009 at 11:45am EST
  • I don't really understand the commenters that think professors are out of touch with reality. The reality is that the UT tenure process is carefully negotiated and written into the collective bargaining agreement with the AAUP. There is a 6 year process to tenure with annual reviews at 6 or 7 levels, the final dossier has been read by dozens of people including, typically, half a dozen senior scholars from other institutions. President Jacobs's proposed interviews clearly violate Ohio labor law (which is, by the way, very real) by unilaterally changing the terms of a valid collective bargaining agreement in two ways. He would add a new step to the review process and he would add altogether new, vague, unmeasurable, and unpredictable criteria to the evaluation of tenure candidates. Believe me, nowhere in this contract does it say which "facial features" or "body language" are appropriate for a tenured professor. So the reality is that the law is on the side of the faculty and Jacobs will simply waste university resources trying to defend this policy in court. Also, explain to me what possible non-discriminatory basis the President could use for a decision to deny someone tenure on the basis of a 30 minute interview and in contradiction with the measured, objective judgments of literally dozens, if not hundreds of other people (each with appropriate expertise) in the previous 6 years of review? Which "facial features" are the legitimate basis for firing someone? The president does have a legitimate role in this process which he could exercise under the current contract if he so wished, but these interviews are not it. If "reality" is that the world is a cold, hard place where people with power in an institution are free to exercise arbitrary and capricious power to dismiss on a whim employees they have probably never met during 6 years of employment, then the problem seems to me to lie with reality, not with academic procedures designed to ensure that employment decisions are based on objective criteria and careful consideration of a plethora of documentation and evidence. Perhaps what those embittered towards hard won faculty labor protections need to do is organize their workplaces and try to improve their own working conditions if they really do face this kind of radical insecurity.

  • Posted by Thomas on November 11, 2009 at 12:00pm EST
  • "It's putting a face with a name, including the data gained from observation of body language, facial features, voice tone,"

    How is this evidence worthy of driving a tenure decision? It's great that the prez wants to meet with his faculty, and take responsibility for the university's tenure decisions. But this statement indicates an incompetent approach to doing so.

  • Posted by jim on November 11, 2009 at 12:00pm EST
  • If the president of the university must recommend people for tenure, why is it necessary to broadcast his intention to do so? If he has not exercised a veto in three years, why is it necessary to exercise a threat to do so?

  • Posted by monboddo on November 11, 2009 at 12:15pm EST
  • "It's putting a face with a name, including the data gained from observation of body language, facial features, voice tone."

    Does President Jacobs realize that this comment will be exhibit #1 when the first professor denied tenure sues for racial/sexual/age discrimination?

  • A Good Idea
  • Posted by James2 on November 11, 2009 at 12:15pm EST
  • I think the Toledo president is completely appropriate in wanting to meet with tenure candidates. The president will also have reviewed the candidates' dossiers and recommendations from the department, dean and provost. If there are specific questions or concerns raised in those documents, then these can be raised with candidates. It is hard to see how denying a president potentially useful informaton could be harmful to a correct tenure decision.

    The root of fhe concerns in the comments appears to be a generalized apprehension about faculty members being "judged" by administrators. Nobody ever wants to be judged by other people, but when a lifetime tenure commitment is involved, the more information the better. It is not realistic or appropriate to expect those in the upper chain of decision making to rubber stamp lower level reviews. Trustees expect presidents to make these kinds of critical evaluations and decisions and pay them a lot of money to do so.

  • Tenure Should be a "Bottom-Up" Process
  • Posted by Henry Vandenburgh , Associate Professor, Sociology at Bridgewater State College on November 11, 2009 at 12:30pm EST
  • I find this meeting with the president a bit chilling. Essentially, tenure should be done on hard documentation-- first by the candidate, then by departmental committees, then by schools. The president and board should essentially "rubber-stamp" this careful process, if predicated on hard documents and evidence.

    On every campus, there are those who think they have the ear of the president. Sometimes they do. These relationships have the potential to create "back channels" where old heads with an ax to grind or with a special (but unproductive) favorite they want tenured manage to short curcuit the process. Sometimes the "old heads" are young people too, so it's not just senior faculty who try this.

    Tremendous problems were created on one campus I worked on, when tenure committee members informally approached the president to have a decision go a certain way. It turned into an expensive situation for the college.

    One has visions of the Boston University tenure rejections of professors with "unacceptable" dissertations six years before. (Why have hired them?)

  • Posted by monboddo on November 11, 2009 at 12:45pm EST
  • The point isn't that it is inappropriate for faculty members to be judged by administrators. That happens. What is inappropriate is for the president of a university to announce he will be judging faculty members not by review of their teaching and scholarly work, and the opinions of their peers, but by observations of body language, tone of voice, etc. Such a review is not only inappropriate, it's nuts. And, if this president is serious about making a recommendation based on the 30-minute meeting, it will produce discriminatory effects (more polished candidates favored over those more uncomfortable receiving such a grilling). What individual with any options will choose to go to Toledo, knowing that a 6-year march to tenure could be derailed at the end because of one bad interview?

  • right, because tenure criteria are so hard and fast
  • Posted by anonymous , staff member on November 11, 2009 at 1:00pm EST
  • To those of you arguing that the tenure decision should be based on hard evidence, solid documentation, and how that stacks up with the tenure criteria...

    In what fantasy world are you living? There isn't a university out there whose tenure criteria are so well articulated and so utterly constant that a candidate simply and objectively either clears the bar or doesn't. Everything in that process is a judgment call. How many articles are enough? How many articles equals a book? Which journals are "A" journals? How many "B" journal articles equals an "A" journal article? How do we define "good" teaching? Satisfaction? Grades? Learning outcomes assessment? Who judges the teaching? What level is good enough for tenure? Which committees represent "real" service? And don't forget the collegiality criterion.

    All of it is at best based on subjective judgment and more realistically based on departmental and institutional politics.

    Given that this is the process faculty have established, how dare you cast the departmental and committee reviews as somehow more "scientific" than a review of the recommendations of those levels plus an interview? Pot, meet kettle.

    If the president's approval is supposed to be a rubber stamp, then why do we waste everyone's time with it in the first place? Because it's not a rubber stamp, and you know it. You reasonably want the presidential perogative to refuse tenure to be exercised extremely rarely, but you can't deny that the perogative exists and it has a reason for existence.

    The indignance from faculty commenters to this story is repugnant.

  • 30-Minute Chat to Tenure
  • Posted by marietzinder , WLL at cal state on November 11, 2009 at 1:15pm EST
  • I've gone throug such a "30-minute chat" and been denied tenure 15 years ago by a college president himself over the judgment of my dept, my chair and my dean who all rated me as "excellent". I was flabbergasted when the president after a mere 5 minutes told me I was not tenure material. There was not explanation whatsoever, no discussion of my teaching performance, scholarly and professional activities or service to the college and the greater community. Needless that the dean, dept chair and dept were shocked too. I learned later from the dean of students that the college had no intention to ever grant tenure to a professor in the position I had. And that has been proven over and over again since: every three to six years the professor in that position is let go. But then why should I be surprised: I'm a professor of Foreign Languages and there is apparently no need for such skills in this country!
    So, you can be sure that I smell a rat when such action are taken at any college... and that's why I'm now teaching in a college which has a union!

  • marietzinder
  • Posted by DFS on November 11, 2009 at 2:00pm EST
  • If what your then dean said is true, then it is only because you president was a cowardly bureaucrat, unwilling to just tell you why.

    This is even more evidence why the president should not have any input in denying tenure. Sure, the president must informally interview tenureds-to-be, but the president is not omniscient.

    Sorry about what happened to you. Trumpet this around, people, so that other spineless cowards will at least become more ethically up-front.

    The 'ethical' thing to annotate in your CV, then, would be moot. Cowardly bureaucrats have too much far-reaching irrelevant impact on people.

  • Power over Life
  • Posted by Justa Prof on November 11, 2009 at 2:15pm EST
  • Don't forget: this Prez is a surgeon. He's used to making life and death decisions on the table. It's called "God Complex."

  • No Ivory Towers
  • Posted by Comic Book Guy on November 11, 2009 at 3:45pm EST
  • Yes, anonymous, most kinds of evaluation--certainly for tenure--have subjective elements to them. Is that evaluation, which as people have pointed out involves many levels and both experts in the field and one's academic peers, more authoritative than a 30 minute interview? Of course. I'm always amazed that people think academics live in some kind of wafty fantasy-land. This is a fantasy about academia that outsiders must get from the movies. Anyone who lives on the inside knows that academia has lots of rules, and is certainly as rigorous as, I don't know, hedge fund trading. I wish it were less bureaucratic myself. Also a fantasy: that any decent President would have time to meet one-on-one with all of his or her faculty, at least at large institutions.

    By the way, anonymous, I need to confess something to you. I am not really chair of a large department of comic book studies. I am the chair of a large department of English. I "stretched the truth" because I thought it would gain me more authority. And that readers of IHE would know that there aren't any departments of comic books studies--certainly no large ones (apologies to members of such departments if I am wrong).

  • Posted by Jeremy L , Admissions at BC on November 11, 2009 at 4:00pm EST
  • To be sure the President would offer a free bottle of water for this 30 minute interview. Who would turn down a free bottle of water?

  • 30 minute due dillagence not likely
  • Posted by Andrew Davis , Former Chairman of the Board of Trustees at Beloit College on November 11, 2009 at 4:15pm EST
  • Depending on the size of the institution the President may or may not know the tenure canidate socially. That is not the point. Nor is it worthwhile to argue as to whether the addition of a mandatory 30 minute chat may lead to better or worse outcomes. Afterall good decisions can be made for bad reasons, imagine a coin toss being added to the process as well.
    What is stunning is that a President with power to hire and fire key senior adminastrators would not have the confidence in his own team to support their decisions.
    Such action speaks to a total misunderstanding of the process and a failure to understand how an effective president would lead. As a brief reminder as to how it ought to work remember The President ought hire a talented academic leader as Dean, trust that person to run the academic side of the institution (and it is the big side I hope) then go out and hustle resources to support that Dean and the faculty in doing their work.
    It is hard work, but not complicated.

  • 30 MINUTE CHAT
  • Posted by Jesse Parete , retired at Edison Community College on November 11, 2009 at 4:45pm EST
  • Dear Executive Assistant to the President at Bethel University on November 11, 2009 at 6:15am EST

    If that is as good as we teach our students to reason critically, then God help us. Just because some one does or doesn't do follow a given procedure does not have that procedure make sense or not make sense to follow. In the future consider what is best for our students, education in general and that which encourages our professorship to contribute to the wealth of academic knowledge that helps this country to be the greatest educational provider in the world.

  • hard and fast
  • Posted by Saucy on November 11, 2009 at 6:15pm EST
  • Comic Book Guy is right on in his response to anonymous. There are indeed subjective aspects to the tenure review process (although at my R1 they are hardly as fluid as anonymous suggests--you need at least a contract for single-author research monograph, and you will not get tenure without it). But the point is that the multiple stages of tenure evaluation, each conducted by multiple people inside and outside my university, minimize or even neutralize the risk that such subjective elements mean that a qualified candidate is denied.

    Case in point: if I never go to parties, one of my colleagues can grumpily vote against me as "non-collegial." But said colleague is obligated to record in writing his reason for voting me down. What if everyone in my dept hates me because I don't go to those parties? If they vote me down because of "departmental politics," the dean and then the UTC demand an explanation, if say, my external reviewers all say my work is fab. And on and on.

    Others above have noted that tenure dossiers are not flimsy--and in my (non-unionized) R1, the language is explicit that both sides, at their legal peril, must honor the details of our formal tenure criteria (which do exist). Those published criteria give me the basis for a lawsuit if I'm denied capriciously. It's not then just that the President's interview injects standards of evaluation *not* included in the formal, written criteria to which candidate and university are both bound (those "facial features" and "tone of voice"). It's that this would be the *only* stage of the entire process at which a single person's mood and subjective opinion (and that single person not a specialist in the subject on which I research and teach!) escape the checks and balances built into the process elsewhere.

    All of you who are of the opinion that whiny faculty should realize that tenure is a million-dollar investment: you advocate a million-dollar investment based on thirty minutes of checking out my "facial features"?! That's a more responsibly corporate model than the massive, multi-stage documentation that faculty are here defending? We're the flighty ones in fantasy land, and you're the practical ones in the real world? Uh-huh.

    Now, if the president wants to learn Latin, read my book, become familiar with the relevant scholarship, read my over a thousand teaching evals, and tell me why my outside reviewers are untrustworthy judges of my place in the field, then we can talk.

  • Posted by N on November 11, 2009 at 6:45pm EST
  • What is "dillagence"? Unique to Beloit College, no doubt.

    And Jesse, to mock someone's critical thinking skills and then follow it up with an incomprehensible sentence seems a bit ironic.

    And Comic Book Guy, your complaints "They want to interview me for my job!" demonstrate clearly the fantasy world you live in. And the comments on this board show how pervasive that fantasyland is. Only someone living in "wafty fantasy-land" would feel comfortable bitching about their lifetime employment with unemployment in the double digits.

  • Saucy's Straw Man
  • Posted by N on November 11, 2009 at 6:45pm EST
  • Saucy: "All of you who are of the opinion that whiny faculty should realize that tenure is a million-dollar investment: you advocate a million-dollar investment based on thirty minutes of checking out my "facial features"?!"

    OK the president already is in the tenure process and looks at the dossier and is adding the interview to it... If looking at the dossier is plenty to approve tenure, then how does an interview provide even less information?

    Is this the critical thinking you were lamenting, Jesse?

    Mindless.

  • how tenure REALLY works
  • Posted by Tenured Prof on November 11, 2009 at 8:00pm EST
  • At the elite universities, they conduct a national search to fill tenured slots. So an internal candidate has a very small change of getting tenure. (This means turning down some very good people: Columbia has turned down for tenure two faculty members who later won the Nobel Prize.)

    At the other extreme, at many universities, almost everyone gets tenure.

    And then there are the "in-between" universities, where some candidates get tenure and some don't.

    The process can get highly political.

    Consider two cases I know about personally:

    Candidate X was a professor who published a lot and was a great teacher. His department was full of deadheads, who naturally didn't want someone like that around, making them look bad. So his department recommended against tenure. The university administration overruled the department, tenured him, and then imposed him as department chair.

    Candidate Y got caught up in the middle of a shootout between two big guns in his department, Prof. A and Prof. B. What happened was that Prof. A "wired" the promotion file of Candidate Y with "drop dead" external letters from off-campus enemies of Prof. B. So the department recommendation, was negative (but mixed). In this case, the department was regarded as a strong department. So the administration denied tenure to Candidate Y, who promptly moved to another university and got a 40+% raise.

    This is how the tenure process works (or doesn't work) in the real world of fallible people.

    If the University President starts routinely overruling recommendations on the basis of 30-minute interview, it'll get far, far worse. What's the President going to do, judge people based on whether or not they have a firm handshake?

    Yes, legally everything is only a "recommendation" to the President, whose decision is final. So theoretically if a candidate has a hundred publications in top journals, a million dollars in grants, is a great teacher, and has postive recommendations all the way up the line, the candidate can still be rejected by the university president, whose word is the law.

  • good ole' UT
  • Posted by UTalum on November 11, 2009 at 9:30pm EST
  • This is just another feather in the cap of the utterly amazing University of Toledo

  • For Professor Parete
  • Posted by RJS on November 12, 2009 at 5:00am EST
  • Thank you for the response. I wasn't aware that others had commented on my initial reaction this morning.

    Forgive me, but I don't think I understand your comment. Is it a rebuke? Have you demonstrated--or has anyone in this list--that a particular procedure (in this case, I assume, presidential participation in a tenure decision) doesn't make sense? Or have they rather asserted that some processes don't make sense under particular local conditions, such as a union environment? You appear to be claiming that a process excluding the president (and other administrators?) "makes sense," "is best for our students [and] for education in general," and "encourages our professorship to contribute to the wealth of academic knowledge..." etc. I regard these assertions needing substantiation, not claims I'll accept without evidence.

    But at a university the size of the one I work at, the President literally knows all the faculty; he in fact reads the dossiers, including the documentation from students, peers, chairs, committees and deans. Viewed from a governance perspective, the president is charged by the trustees to oversee precisely these issues--and isn't it reasonable to agree that at different institutions, processes may differ and make perfect sense depending on the institution and its heritage? To accept that the AAUP's definition of process ought to be accepted universally--or that it is in fact universally valid--seems pretty funny when applied to many local situations. A faculty member's colleagues will almost certainly be the best people to judge her professional competence in the discipline; may almost certainly be the best people to judge her instructional ability; may not be the best people to judge her committee or institutional service; almost certainly will have little insight into her mentoring skills; are not particularly likely to have a sense of whether she is committed to the core values of the institution. At a smaller institution, every one of these issues is important. Here, if she can't work collaboratively in a team-taught interdisciplinary course that's a fundamental part of her load, she can't succeed.

    Didn't Tip O'Neill give us "all politics is local?" After perhaps a dozen campus visits as a peer reviewer for a regional accreditor, I'd say that processes are local, too, and have to be respected as such. Thanks again for provoking some further reflection.

  • tenure already a joke?
  • Posted by Darby on November 22, 2009 at 7:30pm EST
  • It doesn't matter what Jacobs does. His policies are so far out of touch with the reality of what goes on at the "working" level of the UT, that what he does or does not do won't matter

    However, I do question tenure in general. There are professors that get hired with tenure because they bring lots of cash in research money. They can write articles, but they certainly can't teach. There are professors that as soon as they get tenure slack off and do nothing or don't try because they are covered by their tenure and the faculty unions. There are professors who do AMAZING work in teaching, but don't publish and bring in the bucks, and they are not tenured. So really what it the point?

     

  • What if the candidate was not recommended at lower levels?
  • Posted by vfichera on November 28, 2009 at 2:45pm EST
  • What is not readily discernible from the coverage is whether the president also interviews those whose progress through the tenure process has yielded negative reviews at lower levels of scrutiny.

    In other words, is the president creating this "procedure" (which is an outgrowth of his already omnipotent role as final yea or nay-sayer) in order to have the opportunity to correct the biases in the process, to provide the candidate one last chance to sway the final vote by having the ear of the president to complain about mistreatment, discrimination, etc.? And if so, what is the role of this interview in the formal process of contesting a negative final decision at that or any other institution?

    Yes, the interview introduces a fair amount of risk (legal "exposure") for the institution in the event that the president overturns positive recommendations. But its potentially constructive role in attempting to adjudicate "split-recommendations" or the fairness of negative recommendations could be a positive mechanism reducing legal exposure.

    Rather than pretending that presidents in most institutions do not have the veto/stamp of approval power that they actually do legally possess in most faculty and collective bargaining contracts, perhaps faculty might better spend their time in explicating and further prescribing the role of the president and in demanding more accountability from presidents for their obligation to ensure the true integrity of the process. Ensuring the integrity of a process ia an active obligation, not a passive role of trust in rubber-stamping the results of the processes of the power elites.

    Indeed, as most presidents will learn, if they do not know this already, a "my provost made me do it" defense in a discrimination case doesn't hold much water. Most institutions are not sued by the faculty bodies whose recommendations are overturned but by the individuals who are "harmed" by the processes. Presidents should experience "heat" from the faculty when they deny or abrogate their role as the ensurers of integrity in the process.

    There are, unfortunately, far too many "insulated" presidents who never hear the candidate's assessment of the political results of tenure review until they reach a courtroom -- at which point, regardless of settlement or exculpatory jury outcome, the tenure process has already manifestly "failed" because of its costly and divisive toll on the college or university community.