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November 20, 2009

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More than two dozen seniors at Lincoln University, in Oxford, Pa., are in danger of not being able to graduate this spring -- not because they’re under disciplinary probation or haven’t fulfilled the requirements of their majors, but because they were obese as freshmen.

All had body mass index (BMI) scores above 30 -- the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ threshold for obesity -- when they arrived on campus in the fall of 2006, but none have taken college-sanctioned steps to show they’ve lost weight or at least tried. They’re in the historically black university’s first graduating class required to either have a BMI below 30 or to take “Fitness for Life,” a one semester class that mixes exercise, nutritional instruction and discussion of the risks of obesity.

It might sound like a joke, or a violation of individual rights, but James L. DeBoy, chair of Lincoln’s health, physical education and recreation department, said he sees it as his “professional responsibility to be honest and tell students they’re not healthy.”

Ninety-two students, 19 percent of the freshman class of 484 that entered three years ago, had BMIs of 30 or greater. While most of those students took the class or demonstrated to DeBoy’s department that they had lost weight, about 25 have neither proven they’ve lost weight nor signed up for the class. DeBoy began notifying the students about their unfulfilled requirement earlier this month, spurring an article Wednesday in The Lincolnian, the university’s weekly student newspaper.

Students interviewed for the story seemed upset by the requirement and, perhaps, a bit blindsided by it. “It’s not up to Lincoln to tell me how much my BMI should be. I came here to get a degree and that's what the administration should be concerned with,” said Lousie Kaddie, a sophomore.

DeBoy said it’s exactly what the university should be concerned with. “This country’s in the midst of an obesity epidemic and African-Americans are hit hard by obesity and diabetes,” he said. “We need to address this problem directly with our students.”

“No student should ever be able to leave Lincoln and not know the risks of obesity,” he added. “They could never say, ‘I wish I knew this was going to happen to me, I wish someone would have told me’ ” after suffering a heart attack or other major health problem because of their weight.

James C. Turner, president of the American College Health Association and director of student health at the University of Virginia, said he had “never heard of something like this before.” He added that he was unaware of any studies showing a semester-long class “to be effective to help someone lose weight in the long term.”

DeBoy said he will start collecting final semester data from the students in January so that he will be able to show, with raw numbers, that students benefited from the class.

DeBoy said he taught one class where, at the beginning of the term, the 14 students struggled to walk for 15 minutes at a time. By the end, some could run for a few minutes and all could walk briskly for 45 minutes.

“All of them had BMIs well over 30,” he said, “and some of them lost weight, some of them didn’t. But not one of them gained any weight during those 15 weeks of the spring semester of their freshman year.”

Turner expressed concern that the requirement “raises questions about personal rights and which trumps, personal rights or university policy.”

DeBoy defended the rule. “I’m not a lawyer,” he said, “but we test for written, oral communication skills and I don’t see this as any different…. We want our students to have a sound mind, but also a sound body.”

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  • Well, intentioned, but . . .
  • Posted by CAProf on November 20, 2009 at 8:00am EST
  • This is simply appalling. What is known is that these students are obese NOT that they are not healthy. Yes, it's true that chances are good that many of them are not healthy but no blanket statement can cover them all. As much as those people now fixated on others' weight as the key to health reform would like to believe that one cannot be overweight and healthy, it simply is not true --- you can be. Will they counsel severely underweight students to bulk up since they are at more risk of early death than the obese ones? Honestly, while I agree that it's probably better to be in the normal weight/BMI range (although plenty of studies show that BMI is such a crude and misleading measure of health that for these folks to use it as the yardstick is laughable), I think this is going too far. If the students in question are obese and not pre-diabetic, have normal BP, HDL, LDL, etc. then they should be left alone. I guess they could be advised and taught about "fat prejudice" and how that could affect their lives and careers, but either they already know about that (since our society will hardly let them forget) or this little episode at their own soon-to-be alma mater will have taught them all they need to know.

  • Posted on November 20, 2009 at 8:30am EST
  • The main mistake Oxford made was not to require this class of ALL students as part of their general education curriculum. Many of the students who were not obese when admitted (by BMI or any other measure) will be later in life unless behavior changes are implemented. Furthermore, the benefits of exercise extend far beyond weight management.

  • health education
  • Posted by Rich Morris , Director of health education at Rollins College on November 20, 2009 at 8:30am EST
  • It's sad, really, that people are appalled by this requirement. As I read the article, no one is required to lose weight or be healthy, they are required to take a course explaining the risks of being overweight and what you might do about it. Many schools, including my own, have a health education requirement as part of their general education. This really isn't any different. Pointing out anecdotes about healthy overweight people is like saying that some smokers don't get cancer or some people having unsafe sex don't get aids. It is the duty of an institution of higher learning to discuss the risks.

  • ADA
  • Posted by Lawyer and Academic on November 20, 2009 at 8:45am EST
  • While his intent seems to be good, I can make a reasonable argument that this violates the Americans With Disabilities Act, especially with the most recent amendments. I would say that he regards these students as having a disability and thus violate the ADA, hence discrimation based on a disability. Futher, some states have laws that prohibit discrimination based on, inter alia, weight. My advice, tread carefully professor. Students, you may want to look into your rights.

  • Love it!
  • Posted by LAJerry , NSCS on November 20, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • Might be some of the best (useful) education the students will get.

    "It's probably better to be in the normal weight/BMI range..." Probably? Really?

     

     

  • A New Kind of Test
  • Posted by chafner , Coordinator, College Relations at Brookdale Community College on November 20, 2009 at 11:15am EST
  • The four year private college I graduated from, at the time, required EIGHT gym classes as part of the graduation requirements, including passing a 20 minute swimming test. The field house had burned down and in receiving government funds to rebuild, the word was the building had to be part of "required" classes. There was a wide offering of classes and we were encouraged to embrace fitness as part of our life styles. They didn't watch over us to see we spread out these classes over the four years. We all found it pretty funny when a soon to graduate senior was seemingly majoring in fitness, having to take, in addition to her academic classes, several fitness classes in her final semester. Golf, horseback riding, figure skating, tennis, racket sports, aerobic dance, fencing, ballet and more... a lesson in time management and planning that was not lost on the rest of us.

  • Discriminatory
  • Posted by BBW on November 20, 2009 at 11:15am EST
  • This class is completely discriminatory! It singles out individuals based on their appearance -- unless, of course, they are conducting a fat pinch or submersion test on every incoming freshman. This adds an additional course to select individuals which could add time and expense to their degree completion. How humiliating to have to tell friends, family, and possible employers that you did not graduate on time because you did not lose weight or take this class.

    I think it is favorable to attempt to influence college students' health behaviors -- but then you should make a health course requirement for ALL students. This could address healthy eating, exercise, sleep hygiene, safer sex, as well as drug & alcohol information.

    I find this to be extremely offensive.

    Signed,
    A happy and healthy BBW.

  • Is an "educated" person a healthy person?
  • Posted by Bryce , First-Year Experience at Brigham Young University on November 20, 2009 at 11:15am EST
  • The real question for me is whether Universities should be in the business of promoting the physical health of students. As an Exercise Science grad and former coach, my belief is yes. Most institutions make claims to the tune of "we prepare students to function effectively in society" and it seems like physical health ought to be part of that preparation. So, if that logic holds then it also follows that institutions should have criteria to determine whether students have achieved these outcomes. I don't know that I agree with the criteria that Lincoln has selected, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to hold students to some sort of standard with regard to health and wellness. After all, we do the same thing for the sciences, mathematics, and literature. Would we let a student graduate who had not fulfilled their math requirement? If they failed their placement exam as a freshman and never demonstrated mastery of basic mathematical concepts, would we still graduate them?

    It's interesting how those of us in education want to enforce high standards in the "core" areas, but have no problem justifying low performance when it comes to physical health.

  • Posted on November 20, 2009 at 12:00pm EST
  • This is ridiculous. Just because someone is obese doesn't mean they are ignorant of the possible risks, and it doesn't mean they don't understand healthy eating, they may have other issues that need resolving before they can deal with their weight issues (many young women who have been sexually abused are obese, for example). Also, just because someone is not obese does not mean they know anything about eating healthy or exercise, they may simply have a high metabolism, or be anorexic, or any number of other things. Either require the class for everyone or drop the requirement.

    Do they require students who smoke to stop smoking or take a class on how to quit smoking? or are students who drink required to take classes on drinking in moderation? This is clearly discrimination, and none of the college's business. It's great if they want to offer the class as an option, or require it of everyone, but only requiring obese students to take a class smacks of discrimination, and frankly is incredibly insensitive. Do they honestly think students don't know they're overweight? Believe me, our society reminds them every day.

  • Self-examination
  • Posted by Hatch on November 20, 2009 at 12:15pm EST
  • It appears that those who express offense to the subject matter in this article are having to painfully self-examine their physical condition. As arguable as BMI can be, it is the standard at this point. Complete health will never be achieved without fitness. An elevated BMI, to the point of obesity, limits one's ability to be fit. I applaud the University's intent and maintenance of the standard the student's were aware of as they entered the University over three years ago. Holding students accountable for their actions is all to often absent.

  • "Health" is not what's being measured here
  • Posted by JJS on November 20, 2009 at 1:00pm EST
  • BMI was invented to come up with generalized measurements of *populations* - it is long-since discredited as an appropriate measuring tool of "healthy weight" - never mind "health" - in individuals, whose muscle-density, genetics, and specific health issues are unique to them.

    It has no use in establishing anything meaningful in terms of an individual's overall health or knowledge of health. Anyone calling themselves an exercise *scientist* should know this - or drop the "scientist" part and call themselves a gym teacher/weight-loss coach (and hopefully no university will allow an unsolicited personal trainer to open them up to rightful lawsuits).

    What's happening here is size discrimination, pure and simple.

  • Posted by Hannah , Ex-Adjunked on November 20, 2009 at 1:00pm EST
  • Yes, the policy is discriminatory, many obese people can be healthy, we don't want to retro back to a be-thin-or-you-won't-get-a-man cultural mantra for women. From a purely business point of view, Oxford may see enrollment decline sharply after this attack-the-symptom-not-the-underlying-cause policy. If a plunge in enrollment happens, we'll see a quick reversal of this policy.

    On the other hand, this surface punishment just could motivate some obese and unhealthy students to lose the fat. When I was 20 or so, the "stick" of being embarrassed in front of an audience while my dance troupe did a performance or not fitting into a bridesmaid's dress or even being ridiculed (quietly vs. openly with younger kids) by peers was enough to make me push away that "one more" slice of pizza or ice cream bar. Younger people seem to take the discomfort of always being a bit hungry better than my current middle aged peers. Offer compassionate counseling to those with underlying emotional reasons for overeating, but if this fitness and health policy spreads to other colleges, we just might succeed in doing what other nations with healthier populations and lower health care costs do: cover everyone who needs healthcare by diminishing the need for care. Obesity is rapidly becoming the number one generator of medical bills in this and in a few other nations also.

    As obese (but becoming less so) woman in my fifties, I struggle to lose the blubber, but I would actually find the task much easier if my employer told me to lose 50 pounds or lose my job Or, lose weight or have to buy new fat clothes, which I cannot afford .All the excuses (and they ARE excuses) I"ve used over the years would disappear fast. The problem is that with Oxford and many other institutions, fatness has become an "acceptable" prejudice as has prejudice and judgments against smokers. Many people find it sort of fun to be judgmental against "weak" people who "fall" into emotional dependence upon food, cigrarettes, drugs, or anything the judgers have managed to stay "above." But all they need do is take a much closer look at themselves.

    If the university's motive is punitive and judgemental, then this policy will die an early death. But if the motive is a sincere and compassionate effort to promote a cultural of fitness and health, the policy will either die a much slower death, or its intent could actually spread to other colleges and then other institutions nationwide. I don't sense from the article the latter motivation applies in this case.

  • Important, but discriminatory
  • Posted by Fat Academic on November 20, 2009 at 1:00pm EST
  • As a fat person with normal blood pressure, cholesterol, no diabetes, or other weight-related conditions, I am appalled that taking a health class on the risks of obesity is required for graduation. As an educated obese person, I'm aware of the risks. I can read, and every report released about weight indicates it is too much.  These students, if academically sound enough to get into Lincoln, probably also have the ability to read and hear their family doctors. 

    This is incredibly discriminatory because people have different body types and genes that might predispose them to heavier weights. If someone has a BMI of 50, they might really need help to get his life on track. A young obese woman with a history of sexual assault will need more than a course; how about providing mental health counseling as well? However, a BMI of 30 is borderline and this institution's focus on it could lead impressionable young people to eating disorders. Remember: the governor of CA is technically obese by BMI standards.

    The only way that Lincoln could justify having a required course for obese students is to create a requirement for a health course for all students. Last time I checked, smoking was more dangerous to people (including nonsmokers) than obesity was to the public. Also, black people, especially black women between the ages of 15 and 44, have higher rates of HIV infection. I think that if Lincoln really wanted to serve the public health interests of African Americans, all students would be required to take a module of HIV awareness, risks, and prevention. 

    I'm pretty sure that an attorney will soon be involved in this situation and I'm happy to donate to that legal defense fund.

  • Of course
  • Posted by CAProf on November 20, 2009 at 2:15pm EST
  • I love that someone here writes that anyone objecting to this policy must themselves be obese or unhealthy. I am not. Although, post-menopause, I am a bit bigger than I was in 20s and 30s, I am not fat by any measure (BMI, actuarial tables, etc). And even with these extra 15 lbs., all my health indicators are ok. However, I nevertheless do find this policy appalling, offensive and discriminatory. Yes, if the class were required of all, I could see it. But only to require it of obese students and then to "waive" the requirement if they have lost weight and are now "normal". Ugh. For all you who are defending, this look carefully at your assumptions. You equate obesity with unhealthfulness when that correlation is not proven. Yes, being fat might mean you have a greater chance of some health problems, but actually there's no proven link that it's being fat that causes the underlying health problem. Being too thin also correlates with another set of health issues that no one at Lincoln seems too concerned about because what I think is really behind all this is our "hatred" of fat and fat people. Many people commenting here have pointed out that being anti-fat is an acceptable prejudice, esp among the educated elite, and that the reasons one might be fat is not always about bad nutrition and "merely" poor eating habits.

  • Not research based
  • Posted by dpet on November 20, 2009 at 2:15pm EST
  • There have been very few studies that have actually examined reliability and validity of BMI as a surrogate for measuring % body fat. Some research has shown that BMI is inaccurate way of classifying young adults as obese. For example, since many college athletes have higher muscle mass, their BMI scores may indicate obesity when compared against the general population on which the index was based. As previously noted, there are many students who enter college who later have very high BMI scores. I know many former athletes who would fall into this category.

  • outraged
  • Posted by tiny but tough , Coordinator/Lecturer Writing at UC Merced on November 20, 2009 at 2:15pm EST
  • Universities are prime sites for the development and progress of eating disorders! Not only is this practice discriminatory, it fosters the illusion that body size is an accurate indicator of health, and encourages body dysmorphia. This appropriation of the student body by the University should be challenged, legally and ethically. While health education is important, this is not health education, this is fear of fat promulgation.

  • Where to start?
  • Posted by Nora Streed on November 20, 2009 at 2:45pm EST
  • It certainly would have been a good idea to establish effectiveness of a program like this before making something it mandatory.

    As noted in comments above, all students could benefit from some health information, not just the ones judged too heavy as freshmen. It's OK if thin individuals continue to make poor health choices and remain ignorant of the possible outcomes?

    And if it's another field of knowledge just like written or spoken communication, why not require it of everyone? Last I checked, thin people also benefitted from exercise and good nutrition.

    And seriously? "DeBoy said he will start collecting final semester data from the students in January so that he will be able to show, with raw numbers, that students benefited from the class."

    Or not. What benefits will his raw numbers show, exactly? I'm sure his study design went through some kind of review and approval process, right? And all the students gave informed consent? You can't just do an experiment on people without telling them you're doing it, and that it's experimental, and that they can opt out. Or without having a definite study design, a comparison group, etc.

    That kind of thing has been kind of standard practice since, well, the "research" at Tuskegee came to light.

    There's a reason that James Turner of the ACHA and UVa is unaware of any studies showing programs like this one to be effective in the long term: there are no studies that show this. And not because nobody's studied it.

    I am not arguing that health education is useless; it's clearly not. At first glance, there are just a few too many layers of wrong here. With a big scoop of crazy and a cherry on top.

  • Good grief....
  • Posted by SLJ on November 20, 2009 at 3:30pm EST
  • Why not just require that applicants to the university fill in their height and weight information on their application so that the university can calculate their BMI before they decide to accept the student. Then then wouldn't have to spend the money on this type of program..

    Certain ethnicities or genders have a higher correlaton to specific diseases and disorders...maybe we should require individuals to attend classes on these types of criteria.

    Hmmmmm, maybe people would be more offended by these practices than the one described above although it is the same type of discrimination.

  • Posted by Fat Faculty on November 20, 2009 at 5:15pm EST
  • Does this standard apply to adminsitrators?

    Does it apply to faculty?

    Does it apply to football players?

  • Posted by Ronnie on November 20, 2009 at 7:30pm EST
  • BMI is a terrible indicator of true health as it doesn't take muscle mass into account at all. Someone asked if this applied to football players? Probably not as most would be considered obese!?! Tim Tebow is 6'3" and 240 lbs. That makes his BMI 30 and officially obese.

  • not their finest moment
  • Posted by Bobzaguy , president at laserlist chicago on November 21, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • "They’re in the historically black university’s first graduating class required to either have a BMI below 30 or to take 'Fitness for Life...'"
    "…[take] college-sanctioned steps to show they’ve lost weight or at least tried."

    19% of this first class, in 2006, were considered obese. They were reminded, I'm guessing more than once, to take the class or don't graduate. It's really hard to say this is discriminatory, since the school told everyone entering at the time about the requirement.

    The school should have made the class a basic degree requirement, just as they have for any other classes they feel the student must be exposed to to earn a basic BA degree.

    After 3-1/2 years though, to threaten to actually withhold an earned degree is making the faculty and administration look less than mature with this "gottcha" type end run. It also seems to put the college in jeopardy of a very serious class-action lawsuit.

    I hope the 25 persue the action. Contract law at its finest hour.

  • Posted by Syd on November 21, 2009 at 11:45am EST
  • As a college professor I am appalled at this requirement. I think I've applied to Lincoln for employment in the past, and I'm very glad to have found a different job at a university that supports diversity.

    As an instructor I would NEVER discriminate against a student for an external factor. Race, religion, ability status, gender, attractiveness, health, doesn't matter. The university is about the development of mind, personality, community. It's not about discriminating against those we perceive to be unhealthy.

    Would you want to select only "healthy" and perfectly abled students for your university? I work with many students with disabilities, and I would never want to exclude them.

    I don't see fat as a disability, by the way--it's just a difference. And it does not matter for university work. There should be no special requirement for fat students.

    If the university cared about health, they would have a standardized requirement for all humans that took into account people's different experiences and abilities.

    This course sounds like an intellectually suspect seminar on fat-shaming. And face it, these kids get that every day. The university should be a safe space for difference. If it isn't, what the hell are we doing?

  • Posted by PeopleOfSize.com on November 21, 2009 at 2:00pm EST
  • I am a lawyer, and I look forward to the lawsuits.

    Also, discrimination aside (and it's hard to put that aside), there are plenty of well established medical reasons (physical and psychological) not to address weight in this fashion, and by selecting out individuals. It would make a very interesting study to see how many of the student participants end up with eating disorders, yo yo weight gain, anxiety disorders, etc. from being identified as in need of "wellness" training and then given it without any regard to their personal health circumstances. This "course" will be short lived (the school is unlikely to fight too hard once a lawsuit is filed, which is bound to happen), still, this is a "teaching moment" - an opportunity to examine how perhaps well intentioned, but misguided, attitudes about weight and health are, and have been, far more destructive than overweight itself.

  • Posted by Espen on November 21, 2009 at 5:15pm EST
  • This is an outrage!

    What is the next discrimination?
    No near-sighted people allowed to graduate, because they could have done Laser eye-surgery during their university years?
    No short people allowed to graduate, because they could have done bone-elongation treatment?
    No thin people, because they failed to gain weight, making their BMI "normal"?

    This is just the kind of backwards crap that I expect from an American University. This would NEVER happen in Europe, Canada, or any other country that allow their citizens to think for themselves. If the students wants to continue being overweight, by all means, let THEM decide. They are grown adults, old enough to vote, drive, drink and take care of themselves without a guardian, so they should be able to make their own choices.

    But stopping them from graduating? This university is just begging for a lawsuit. Or 25. If my child was discriminated by a University for having a BMI above 30, my lawyers would have a field day!

  • Requirements
  • Posted by Barry VanEmery on November 21, 2009 at 9:15pm EST
  • So are they also requiring a smoking cessation course in order to graduate? Financial responsibility course? Marriage and fidelity, and courses in child rearing and children's psychology so you raise perfectly adjusted kids? Proper dressing attire in public courses? What other courses are they going to require in order for you to be healthier and more responsible for your life, as they obviously know better than you how you want to live your life...apparently they think fat people don't know they eat too much.

    Here I thought I would be going to college for a degree in a particular field of study, not a quick rundown on proper citizenship and being the perfect Barbie or Ken doll rubber stamp sheeple fresh from the mold.

  • Posted by disconnect on November 22, 2009 at 5:45am EST
  • On June 20th of this year, my BMI was 30.7, which is the lowest it's been in years. On that day, I raced an Olympic-distance triathlon, consisting of a 1 mile swim, 25 mile bike, and 6.2 mile run. My time was ten minutes slower than my PR, but I didn't feel too bad, since I'd raced a half-ironman two weeks previously. My blood pressure is well in control (my mom went on blood pressure meds when she was the age I am now), and my cholesterol is balanced and at a good level. I eat a good mix of foods, get as much sleep as I can, moderate my alcohol and caffeine intake, and go for walks at break time. I take my 2.67-year-old twin daughters out for a run/walk around the block at night, then we dance to Michael Jackson videos. I enjoy Crossfit, tri training, yoga, spin classes, martial arts, etc.

    But none of that means anything, because according to their metric, I'M OBESE AND IN NEED OF BEING TOLD I'M NOT HEALTHY.

  • BMI ignorance continues
  • Posted by Luke , Sessional Lecturer on November 22, 2009 at 9:00am EST
  • I suppose a private institution has the right to set their own "fitness criteria" for graduation. What infuriates me is not their requirement or their intentions, but rather the ridiculous methodology behind it.

    I find it hard to believe a university with a health/phys. ed department wouldn't know that the BMI scale was invented by a Belgian sociologist in 1830s. Even at this time, when things like phrenology and bloodletting were considered "current medicine," the BMI formula was never meant to measure obesity or fitness level.

    According to the BMI, Arnold Schwarzenegger in his bodybuilding prime was "morbidly obese." I guarantee most students on a varsity football team would be similarly "overweight." This ridiculous stipulation forces those students into a useless filler class unless they are willing to deliberately under-eat and undertrain... and I can only imagine what kind of eating disorders students will inherit trying to avoid the needless extra class.

    I wonder what kind of faculty they'd be able to retain if professors couldn't get tenure there until their BMI scores were in the ideal range...or whether the originators of this backwards policy are hypocritically exempt from it.

  • View and Sign iPetition Against Discriminatory Course
  • Posted by PeopleOfSize , President at PeopleOfSize.com on November 22, 2009 at 12:00pm EST
  • PeopleOfSize.com has started an iPetition to address this discriminatory and potentially dangerous Lincoln University "wellness" course. Please view and sign and forward link!

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/WeightDiscrimination/

  • Look at what their on campus menus look like!
  • Posted by Don Button , chair, Graphic Communications at Sacramento City College on November 23, 2009 at 5:15am EST
  • My first thought was that this school's intention was good, but the execution was sloppy. But on further inspection, it turns out that their execution may be far worse than sloppy. Possibly downright hypocritical.
    When I posted this story on Facebook, a friend was bright enough to look up Lincoln Universities website and discover the on-campus dining information:
    http://www.lincolnuniversitydining.com/locations.html
    KFC promotions, pulled pork, fried fish, brisket, Philly cheessteak, whipped chedder potatoes, and "ultimate" cheeseburgers abound! What a crock. This school should be ashamed at requiring healthy bodies and then feeding them the crap they do!

  • Posted by Luis on November 23, 2009 at 6:15am EST
  • The regulations people place when it comes to body weight get me very irate. I am discriminated all the time because of my weight. In order to resolve my specific situation and for me to lose weight, I simply have to stop doing one thing. I need to stop going to the gym.

    I will never understand why policies like this as well as health insurance premiums use such an antiquated system for determening healthy weight.

    I am 5'11" 225 pounds. Yet I have a 12% Body Fat which is 4% lower than a normal percentage. The mere fact that I weight lift regulalry would exclude me from graduating from this university according to this guideline.

  • since when
  • Posted by frustrated on November 23, 2009 at 1:30pm EST
  • Since when does health take precidence over grades, say at least one of these students is a straght a student, your going to deny them an degree because they are over weight? This soceity has become way to obsessed with weight, yes there are health problems with being obese, yet a college has no direct responiblity on your health unless for some reason they are providing health insurance. It is wrong to deny a degree because of weight. I have known plenty of skinny so called healthy people die before they reached 50, just because you are in the weight requirement does not mean you are healthy.

  • "A Different Kind of Test"
  • Posted by Angela R , Admin. Specialist, Rec Sports Programs at Univ. of Washington on November 23, 2009 at 3:30pm EST
  • Yea for Dr. DeBoy! It's apparent that all of the incoming freshmen were aware that, before graduating, they either: 1) reduce their BMI (lose weight), or 2) take the one-semester class. And, assuming the university had to approve the course curriculum, I also applaud Lincoln for being concerned enough to implement a class to make the students informed.

    When we have individuals 18-19 years old who can't walk 15 minutes without getting out of breath, we have a serious health problem that needs to be addressed. Too bad this class isn't taught in all of the high schools across the U.S. Not only would the children get the message, but so would their parents/care givers. Better health = less medical costs.

  • Posted by Blue on November 24, 2009 at 3:00pm EST
  • Look, I don't see how this class is relevant to be required. They say they want to make sure that the students know how unhealthy it is to be over weight, well trust me, if they are overweight, they already know it's unhealthy. I am overweight, and I know the risks of it. People have been pumping it in my head ever since I was a kid. They should not make this a required course. They should offer the course for those who want to take it, because if someone does not want to lose weight, forcing them will not work. Trust me, I know.

  • GO LINCOLN! -
  • Posted by Dave , Small Business Owner at Internet on November 24, 2009 at 5:30pm EST
  • They are an institution of higher learning.

    They are holding their investment (reputation & financial) at hand.

    They have EVERY RIGHT to create a curriculum that adapts to the needs and wants of society.

    Get Real
    Get Educated

    TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
    it’s about time someone has!

    GOLincoln

  • The solution misses much of the problem.
  • Posted by Nicko , Philosopher on November 24, 2009 at 8:30pm EST
  • As has been mentioned a few times above, not everyone with a BMI over 30 is unhealthy, unfit or ignorant of the risks of obesity. It's also the case that not everyone with a BMI under 30 is fit and healthy and aware. In fact, among girls of collage age, I see plenty with a BMI under 18 who are desperately in need of understanding how much damage their eating habits are doing to their bodies. Does Lincoln require the overly skinny to take "Fitness for Life" too? What about the students who do no exercise at all but don't eat enough to get beyond a BMI of 29? There are also probably a lot of kids at Lincoln eating too much salt, drinking too much caffeine, hardly eating any vegetables and have not the slightest clue how to cook a healthy meal for themselves. They are likely eating their way to strokes, ulcers and chronic constipation, all without any external signs in their 20s but reinforcing habits that will last them until the premature ends of their lives.

    While there were obvious good intentions behind this policy, it is not only discriminatory but it thoroughly misses the mark. Nutrition and exercise have a profound effect on brain function and teaching students how to be healthy is as important as teaching language skills, study methods or how to type. If they removed the discrimination it would benefit everyone.

  • Posted by Sanna on November 25, 2009 at 5:00am EST
  • As a life-long fat person, college was one of the few places I felt relatively safe to be judged on my academic achievements and not my weight. Going to college also meant escaping the hell that was high school. A program like this would have reduced the positive experience that going to college was and it also would have hurt my (already fragile due to years of weight related bullying) mental health.

    Fat college students know they are fat. They also are constantly told about the health risks associated with being fat. In the end programs like this (and really any program that either specifically targets fat people or promotes intentional weight loss which is likely to fail in the long term) does only one thing: It increases the stigma of being fat.

    Ironically enough, I did become more physically active during my college years - mostly because I realized that exercise could be fun and not just something I had to engage in for punishing myself for being fat. I agree that it is alarming if there are students that cannot walk for 15 minutes, but even if a program like this makes them more physically fit in the short term I find it very unlikely that they will continue to exercise once they are not required to do so any longer. Plus, as was already pointed out there are plenty of thin college students who are not physically fit.

    High school PE certainly never encouraged me to become more physically active in my daily life, on the contrary, it supported my belief that a) I was not athletically gifted anyways and b) exercise was something connected with pain, shame and failure. I really would like to see research that this program makes students more likely to exercise regularly IN THE LONG TERM.

    There are plenty of other ways to encourage healthy behavior among students of all sizes. Offering safe spaces for exercise is one of them - spaces that are free of body shaming. Offering healthy food on campus is another one.

  • disgusted
  • Posted by disgusted on December 3, 2009 at 6:00pm EST
  • Very discriminatory, and extremely illogical.

    A few words for DeBoy: smoking, binge drinking, eating disorders, unprotected sex, STDs, seatbelts, extreme sports.....

    A few letters for Lincoln: R.I.P.