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March 18, 2005

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Who lies at the bottom of the hierarchical organization of academic life? If we consider any institution's administration, would it be, say, the assistant dean of students? It would not be the student assistant to the assistant, because students, by definition, are not part of the administration. But perhaps if you are part, and you merit a student assistant, you are entitled to consider yourself -- or better yet, be considered -- superior in status to another administrative position that does not so merit.

These are deep waters. They get no less murky if we consider faculty.
If an associate professor is classified higher than an assistant, and an assistant higher than an instructor, what about an instructor with respect to an adjunct? Again, I believe, organizational distinctions begin to dissolve, the closer we get to the bottom of the hierarchy; adjuncts are simply not faculty -- or at least not faculty in the same way -- once the category is invested with some claim to permanence.

What about staff? Are the people who process financial aid forms entitled to feel better abut themselves than those who do paperwork in an academic department's office? There must be those at some institutions who do.

I don't believe any institutional organization authorizes the feeling, though, any more than it authorizes the feeling of any faculty member who gets mad at a clerk in financial aid for acting aloof. With staff, we are not so much at the bottom of hierarchy as to one side of it; an institution has to have people to keep accurate records and type clear reports but it does not derive its identity from these things.

Nonetheless, when everyone is accounted for, in the impossible and incommensurate ways in which the accounting can be done all across as well as up and down campus, I believe there is someone at the bottom:
the janitor. An institution has to have people to clean the toilets and mop the floors. The janitor works close to the ground. The janitor works close to us, and so, although he or she may not get paid more than the grounds crew, he or she has some claim to be in some way comprehended by our organization. But how?

Even if not unionized, at most universities and colleges the maintenance people have ways of recognizing themselves. At the one university where I taught most of my career, a special newsletter eventually came about, including maintenance with clerical staff, noting special anniversaries or years of service, and featuring awards
given by the administration. Nominally at any rate, maintenance people were considered part of staff, and staff part of the university, insofar as the administration was concerned. No matter that maintenance is not
part of any university in the same way professors are.

Yet of course inside the institution it does matter. For starters, janitors are no longer "janitors." They are "custodians." A custodian told me so some years ago. Once a week, for the better part of two semesters, she used to knock early in the morning, whereupon I would stop whatever I was doing and pass my trash can over to her. We would chat for a minute or two, just as we did occasionally in the hallway.

She called me, "Dr. Caesar." I called her, "Dorothy." I took her to be uttering a term of respect. Although she always seemed quite comfortable with me, I never felt quite comfortable with her.

How close or familiar are professors expected to be with custodians? (That is, the ones who remain awhile. Most work in expectation of getting transferred, and eventually do -- to other buildings or other divisions.) Should we eat with them? Unlike Larry David, who, in an episode of "Curb Your Enthusiasm," takes his maid to lunch at his
country club, in a helpless gesture of gratitude (she sits frozen and wordless), I never asked Dorothy to lunch. Like Coleman Silk in Philip Roth's novel The Human Stain, is it acceptable to have sexual relations with custodians? Another uncomfortable question. In fact, everything to do with any relation between professors and custodians is unhappy, beyond perhaps cordial greeting and remarks about the weather. No wonder custodians are situated at the bottom. We can get dragged down there with them, if we are not careful.

By the same token, no wonder that graduate teaching assistants who would unionize themselves make common cause with the custodial staff. Thereby, the question of a custodian's precise place or non-place within academic hierarchy is rendered, as we say, "academic." Of course we could also say it is transformed into the question of a teaching assistant's place, and thereby sinks beneath the organizational surface all over again. Custodians can be represented. But they do not represent themselves, and so we may well consider the one in Joyce Carol Oates's novel, Marya, who regularly leaves Marya's desk drawers slightly open and puts out cigarette butts in her potted plants. A middle-aged black man, Sylvester seems to be filled with resentment against the young professor. But he does not speak.

And what would be say if he could? That despite his membership in a union, he still suffers the indignity of being at the bottom -- and of being treated as if he was at the bottom? Whatever my relations with custodians, I do not think I ever realized so fully that they could not effectively speak to me until I taught in Japan. At my university,
middle-aged women in white uniforms and bakery hats cleaned the toilets. Middle-aged men mopped the floors. Everybody seemed to ignore them. They were not even invited to various of the university's annual celebrations (which included staff). In fact they were employed by an independent cleaning contractor, and so, as "outside" persons in the remorseless Japanese sense, it would be, I was assured, "unthinkable" to consider them in any way part of the university.

Fair enough. And yet there they were, inside the walls anyway in the most intimate ways, several times a week. The women shyly shrank when I said hello. One man in particular always smiled. Did they accept their position utterly, in ways unimaginable to me? Would an American counterpart such as Sylvester be, in turn, unimaginable to them? Part of what we say about ourselves as academics is founded upon what we say of our custodians, beginning, ideally, with some acknowledgment of the fact that they have not themselves entered into our discourse or that we probably enter into theirs in unknown, troubled ways.

A reshuffle of the institutional order might benefit custodians. Trouble is, somebody is always going to be at the bottom of any hierarchy. I cannot imagine an academic institution without hierarchical terms. But I can offer a memory of one provincial university in China where I taught 20 years ago. The distinction there between senior teachers and "young" teachers (nobody spoke of graduate teaching assistants) was familiar enough to me. So was the evident separation between faculty and administration (including Party officials). Where I had problems was with the relation between either of these two groups and "staff." This was not only because of the egalitarian Party ideology, whereby everyone consisted of the People, and the People consisted of everyone, all the way down.

Our chair was known as "dean." An elaborately discreet man, he never let on until nearly year's end that in fact he was engaged in a long-standing struggle to obtain a divorce from his wife. It was a very intricate story, beginning with the fact that she was from the countryside and now refused to agree to the divorce because it
apparently meant she would have to return there. We knew his wife, the dean added. She was the custodian in the building where we taught. In fact, she lived there!

The dean mentioned a broom closet down the hall. Next day, I went to check. Damned if the closet was not, well, roomy. Somebody could sleep there, although you would probably have to be Chinese. Most Americans would never think of sleeping there, but somebody could. And you would certainly have to be a professor in China not to feel embarrassed or self-conscious at disclosing your marriage to a custodian.

Not only was the dean's marriage unexceptional in the China of that time; it may have been to the dean professionally advantageous (his wife demonstrating his proletarian affinities). Just so, we cannot imagine anything other than professional disaster for a dean in the United States at the present time marrying a custodian. For better and undoubtedly worse, it remains hard enough simply to imagine what administrators and professors have to say to the custodians who move among them, as if everybody was part of the same institution in pretty much the same ways, although it would probably be best for everybody, top to bottom, not to say too much about it.

Terry Caesar's last column was about students who leave in the middle of class to go to the bathroom.

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Comments on Marrying the Custodian

  • Get a life!
  • Posted by William Siverson , Professor & Grad Director at University of Illinois on March 18, 2005 at 8:52am EST
  • The place most of us meet "housekeeping" and "gounds" staff are through the "third places" and the "social affairs" in and around the University. I don't think the University of Illinois is alone in this: there are bowling leagues, poker/card clubs, soccer leagues, baseball and softball leagues, cricket leagues, "Magic" (a card game) clubs, and all sorts of other things on campus that are open to faculty, students, staff (including housekeeping), and, in short, anyone with a University affiliation. It isn't a work related setting, and you meet others from a wide array of what the academics might consider social statuses [at least within the U-- UI (rightly) pays housekeeping as well as it pays junior faculty, so status is rather subjective and more properly called "prestige"].

    In the bowling leagues, in which I participate, people are first drawn together by an interest in bowling. It wasn't until about five weeks into the season that we began finging out what one another does for a living. By that time, it didn't matter. During bowling, and for that matter when out for beers afterwards, you couldn't tell the janitor from the professor from the athletic director. Mostly, during the game we discuss politics, school sports teams, local affairs, kids, spouses (I almost said wives, but two were women!), Iraq, and all sorts of non university related stuff.

    It wasn't until about five weeks later that we began finding out more about what others did for a living. And it didn't matter. I won't pretend it might not make a difference if that was the first thing we learned about someone, but after spending three hours or more with someone twice a week, by the time it comes up it is irrelevant.

    My daughter-- a student at my University (but in a radically different field) says the same thing happens in Soccer, which is her passion. At first, she doesn't know whether the others are janitors, professors, grad students, spouses of a U affiliate, or what. By the time she finds out, it just plain doesn't matter.

    I've taught/worked at several universities, and UI is one of the best in regards to who can participate in these "extracurricular" activities. Some indeed have student-only or faculty-only (etc) functions and activities. Most of UI's are open to any employee or student. I'll admit there are times when I wished that wasn't true, but mostly it is a good experience.

    I'll aslo admit that I was the first in my extended family to even attend college; most of my high school did not go to college; only one of my siblings ever went to college (and then, it wasn't until he was in his forties). But, I find that interactions with the "lower level staff" to be really significant. They are real, interesting, and involved people. These things that Oldenburg called "Third Places" help us realize that, they help us learn from one another and appreciate one anothers' plights. It is perhaps useful that we don't discover occupational status at first. At first, we discover bowling ability. Then we hear about family. Then about politics. Then sometimes about religion. Finally we discovered occupational prestige.

    I'll also admit I probably am a bit biased since one of the "Operations" I met bowling has become my best fishing buddy. But, I am certain that he would not be my friend had I met him under other circumstances.

    It is remarkable how things like church organizations, bowling leagues, soccer leagues, etc. can help overcome some of the stereotypes and hierarchical barriers that this article discusses.

    Normatively, I'll add that I believe we should have more of these. Truly, we all are in the same boat. Harvard picketers (I think adjuncts, but I don't recall precisely) noted that "you can't eat prestige." Money surely matters-- but in the Unviersity setting money is not really related to prestige; some janitorial and grounds crew workers make as much as associate professors and more than assistant professors. But prestige rather tha finacial status drives some of our interpersonal relations, and it is places where status (and money too) are at first irrelevant that we can get past these things. The .400 hitter is treasured in the baseball league whether s/he is a janitor or a chancellor. And, for that matter, so is the guy who tells good jokes.

  • elitism
  • Posted by SL , Ph.D. candidate on March 18, 2005 at 6:08pm EST
  • Terry: Why not ask a custodian to write a brief posting for this web site about his/her view of the faculty?

    Maybe then we could read something more interesting than a review of the stereotypes that you have about various groups.

    Personally, I see adjuncts as real faculty (perhaps the most noble, given the lack of respect that they get), and I believe that Chinese people like big spaces as much as you or me. But, who cares what you or I think? Let's hear from the custodian.

  • custodian/janitor/people
  • Posted by ray on March 19, 2005 at 4:53am EST
  • Seems the larger point is missed in the article and comments, where is the respect for members of the university. As a graduate student (currently ABD), I was friendly with most of the custodial staff, as well as the folks who worked in the campus cafes and chops. The common bond, beyond my originating from very humble economic backgrounds, was being a person of color. What is missed in "Marrying the Custodian" is the ugly spectre of racism, that most workers and staff at universities are minority or third-world immigrants. The professor who refuses to see is much like the man mugged by Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man, or worse, the slaveowner who regarded their human chattel as furniture. While theories of race abound, and Marxist class distinctions are foundational to analytical paradigms, actually dealing with the people in your institution who are different (be they janitors/custodians, students or fellow faculty) reveals the gap in university practice. Yes, the academy is ripe with as many trite rumors on unimportant subjects as any Jerry Springer episode, but some important issues cut too close.

  • Marrying the Custodian
  • Posted by Grace Loehr , RN, BSN, MA on March 19, 2005 at 4:55am EST
  • What an elitist piece of shit you are. I've worked with many housekeepers and secretaries with more class and intelligence than many so-called professionals. Not everybody is so privileged as to have had a university education or have initials after their names. You are a real prick. You are one example of why there is such a disjoint between theory as taught in the academy, and the real life conditions under which people, especially women, and the working class, live, the disjunct between theory/praxis. Many people work in low status service occupations at campuses and hospitals because they are well benefitted and secure, and the fact their children will be able to get a free or deeply discounted education, which they would not be able to get otherwise.

    Lest you write me off as one of the philistine rabble, I have a graduate degree from the U of Chicago, and am a nurse. Yes, a nurse. I chose praxis over theory, which will never change the world or teach me compassion. I clean shit off of people, among quite a few other things, which require professional education and licensure. I will tell you for a fact that you could not do your job, and I could not do mine, without the hard work of legions of housekeepers and secretaries. You probably dismiss nurses, too, glorifying your physician.

    One of these years you'll experience reality when you're lying in the nursing home, and the only people to show you human kindness will be ... the housekeeper (ie janitor) who cleans your room, the nurse's aid who cleans the crap off your worthless butt and shriveled testicles, and the secretary who answers your call light.

    Go ahead and flame me, I'm sick of this pompous classist elitist attitude. You're probably an older white male who has experienced, and expected, everyone else to kowtow to you.

    Go ahead and censor this. I dare you to print it. I doubt you will.

  • Posted by Terry Scott on March 19, 2005 at 4:45pm EST
  • This strikes me as kind of funny, because I worked my way through school, and by the time I was finished I probably had more credits than some of my professors. Some of the assigned readings looked pretty funny if you compared what they actually proved with the summary offered, so there's more to thinking than just earning credits or degrees.

    OTOH, one of the wisest things I heard came from a custodian who encouraged me to continue my education "because that's one thing they can't never take from you". This would have had more impact if he had actually had any education himself.

    Unfortunately, I made a rookie mistake and matriculated, and eventually left the hallowed halls of academe for the "real world", where success is not measured by what you know, but instead by who you know. Having now reached the age where I would be retired if I had continued as a humble hospital housekeeper, I am suitably humbled by the realization that the job of the university is to crank out endless graduates competing for my job.

    So who knows- maybe, like some of my co-workers then, your housekeeper is actually a physics student from a foreign land. We all gotta eat!

  • Married the Custodian's Brother, so what's the problem?
  • Posted by N on March 19, 2005 at 4:45pm EST
  • I am a PhD candidate at a top university and am married to a doctor, whose brother is a custodian in a school. Neither one of us would look down on him for that or be ashamed.

    Even with your high level of education, you haven't learned the things I learned in elementary school. We had a school custodian, whose name I even remember to this day. When he retired, us students got together and made this nice gift for him. When he died a year or two later, a memorial plaque on a rock was erected in his honor at the school. They never did that for any teacher there...

    You know, it's sad to see Americans who go abroad, and fail to learn anything. Rather than see the goodness of this aspect of Chinese society, you poke fun at it.

    All people in society contribute something important. If you don't understand that, then I suggest you try not handing your trash can out the door to your custodian for a couple days and when the garbage starts to pile up maybe you will see the light

  • Missed Recruiting Opportunity
  • Posted by George E Sivertson , Assistant Professor (retired) at Del Mar College on March 19, 2005 at 4:47pm EST
  • In my many years at community colleges I have never missed an opportunity like this to recruit and assist those in low paid positions to better themselves through the facilities of the colleges many occupational programs. Many have gone on to higher paid positions with better opportunities for advancement due to the variety of occupations presented by their low paying employer. Evening jobs with day classes and vice versa allow them to build a new career base and improve their situation often with educational tuition assistance of the College where they are employed. Don’t miss these recruiting opportunities as well as those in the community where you live. Your janitor or waitperson could be the auto mechanic, nurse aid or future fellow academic given encouragement and assistance.
    George Sivertson
    Retired Asst. Professor
    Texas

  • Marrying the nurse
  • Posted by Logan on March 19, 2005 at 4:47pm EST
  • This comment may make Grace infuriated, but what the hell, she already seems to be fuming anyway. I want to marry YOU!

    Forget custodians, forget those guys who choose theory over praxis (or vice versa), forget titles, forget full/associate/assistant/adjunct professors, forget all that elitist nonsense. It is YOU I want to marry. Why?

    Well, for starters, I want to cuddle you and calm down your seething anger. I want to help you learn how to read. Oh, yes, you know how to put word after word and read. I am sure you are quite competent in your job and all that. But, Grace, let's face it: you only see in a text what you want to see, and then once you scan a text and find a word, you just go with it, not paying attention to anything around it. And then make BIG PRONOUNCEMENTS. Your reaction is, if you pardon my French, a bit excessive. I advise you to read the text again. And then on, with every text you encounter. (Good advice also for when you read a patient's chart!)

    Why marry you? Well, I think you may need a beautiful life of long-stemmed roses, a few diamonds, late night dinners under a star-lit sky, trips to the Caribbean, and so on. Of course these are all cliches, but sometimes, with women and men (of all colors and degrees) all we need is love. I will provide you with that, plus a real leather punching bag for you to work out the morning blahs, and a bit of soap for you to wash your mouth.

    Did you ever notice that sometimes just to describe something does not mean you condone it? What would you say if your patients took offence when they know you referred to their body discharges as "shit"? Where did you learn that a nurse can curse people and wish them to be bedridden? Isn't this even more cruel and elitist that to describe the situation of custodians?

    My dear Grace Florence, do not face your patients with such impatience. Or haste. Or anger. Or lovelessness. Life is quite short for us to waste it with these ugly feelings. Marry me. I'll help you.

  • Take it easy!
  • Posted by Chris , grad student on March 19, 2005 at 4:49pm EST
  • Well, I just want to say that if this nurse ever showed up at my bedside, I would literally run for my life. OK, it is not good to speak about the custodians. OK, it is not good to speak about anything or anybody. Let's all shut up.Is this a democracy or not???
    But will somebody please tell this nurse not to rub it in (from U of Chicago, no less!! Would she have learned better manners if she was from, say, U of Pennsylvania??)before she starts giving us injections? I wonder if she approaches the janitorial staff of her hospital with the same attitude.
    I worked as a janitor for some time. The professores were mostly kind and respectful, and seemed to understand that our work was crucial for the school and the company. What is the matter with being a janitor? What is the matter with talking about the different ways janitors are treated in the world?
    I agree that to live in a closet must be a very difficult thing. But many people here do that too --literal and metaphoric closets. It was only when we started talking about the closets that people inside them could come out.
    Have you hugged your janitor today? Have you kicked your professor today?

  • Too much BS from the RN
  • Posted by nick , teacher on March 19, 2005 at 4:50pm EST
  • Ms. Loehr,RN, BSN, RA, sure does have a lot of BS. Could this angry woman possbily take care of anyone without prejudice?
    I don't believe it was Doctor Caesar's intention to demean anyone; instead, he is simply stating conditions that seem to be prevalent when it comes to socializing, even speaking, to non professionals in academia.
    However, it is a good thing Doctor Caesar printed his article: it would seem this RN has been nursing some venom long overdue for regurgitation. Whatever the reason, I hope some of her Ph. D patients don't piss her off while she is wiping their ass; otherwise, they may wish they had consulted the custodian rather than the good nurse.

  • Marrying the Custodian
  • Posted by Apricot on March 20, 2005 at 12:57pm EST
  • I'd just like to state the obvious by pointing out that Terry Caesar's piece in an analysis of prejudice, not an instance of it. Caesar observes that for a professor at an American university to be married to a custodian cleaning the toilets of his or her own department would be seen as shocking and taboo-breaking. This is a fact, even if it is not the sort of thing many people would freely admit. The observation about a Chinese person sleeping in a closet also seems completely reasonable to me: the typical middle-class American's expectations for living space are wildly different from those of most of the world's inhabitants.

  • Janitors at alma mater
  • Posted by J Carl Reynolds on March 20, 2005 at 8:44pm EST
  • Two years after my son graduated from an expensive private college here in Portland, Oregon, he is back at his Alma Mater, working as a janitor. He finds it amusing when the professors exclaim at seeing his familiar face peering at them from behind a soiled toilet bowl. He responds by saying, well, this is what a "multidisclipinary degree" is worth from UP. Naturally this perspective is a bit upsetting to the lecturing class.

    The colleges are under a lot of NCAA pressure to graduate more of their scholarship athletes and in my son's case, his "full ride" athletic pressures plus injuries and medical neglect led to something of a mental breakdown and so he went from being a star prospect to a bit of a basket case. But he wouldn'tt quit and kept passing classes - with marks too low to remain on course to become a teacher. The university apparently invented this "multidisciplinary" degree just to get rid of him. It is a bit like thebad penny returning - or the prodigal son being unwelcome upon returning home.

  • Intellectual masturb...
  • Posted by SL , Ph.D. candidate on March 20, 2005 at 9:37pm EST
  • Ok, I'm removing this site from my bookmarks and never returning. I encourage everyone who believes in the nobility of the teaching profession to do the same.

    The tone and content of the original pieces and many of the responses is shameful. I can only be thankful that I did not encounter such teachers in my life, or I would never have pursued graduate studies. May my children be as lucky.

  • Subject Verb Agreement
  • Posted by Elsa , Dr. on March 21, 2005 at 4:42am EST
  • Message to "SL" -- I think you would be so lucky if you had found some good teachers in your life! Are you REALLY a Ph. D. candidate? From where???? Don't you know anything about subject and verb agreement? Did you actually go through high school, college, a master's program, and landed yourself in a Ph. D.? Hard to believe. As your post demonstrates, you really should remove the site from your list, yourself from teaching, and go back to the basics: "the tone and content" is a plural subject, and requires a plural verb. Then, and only then, you can read what other people say. Shame on you! and on your teachers who never corrected your grammar! Talk about masturb....!!! Was that how you spent the time you should have spent doing homework and learning these simple things??

  • What "PhD" really stands for.....
  • Posted by Kate on March 21, 2005 at 9:19pm EST
  • AHEM.....Piled high and DEEP

  • Thank you Dr. Elsa...
  • Posted by PAR on March 22, 2005 at 4:21am EST
  • ...but one punctuation mark will do. My guess is that SL posted his/her comment in a less than formal manner and didn't read over it for gramatical details, much as I'm sure you posted yours in a less than formal manner and didn't bother to delete those extra '!!!! ????'. Am I right? Relax, take a deep breath and understand that this sort of inane babble (article and comments both) is the sort of thing that results in people from outside the Ivory Tower peering inside quizically like tourists at a zoo monkey exhibit. If you wait long enough someone's going to start flinging poo. Dr. Elsa, your poo was just less relevant and more mean spirited than the rest of it all.

  • Elsa: Queen of the pedants
  • Posted by Jason on March 22, 2005 at 4:22am EST
  • Elsa, I'm glad you noticed that subject verb agreement error. It certainly does invalidate the content of his SL's post.

    On the other hand, I'm not sure I can trust anything you say because of this sentence: "Did you actually go through high school, college, a master’s program, and landed yourself in a Ph. D.?" I believe you erred in the tense of the verb 'land'. Given the tone of your comment, I know you must be smarter than me, so I hesitate to correct you, but I am quite sure.

    Another thing puzzles me. For a person who gets exercised about subject verb agreement in the comments section of a web page, you seem to be very informal with your use of punctuation. It definitely adds extra exclamation to use extra exclamation points!!! Is it standard usage though???

    Hmmm... The more I think about it, the more I think you may be full of shit, Elsa. Maybe you learned about subject verb agreement in an ESL night class last week and do not realize that it is a common and quite unimportant mistake. I mean, in what field do you think SL is a PhD candidate? Grammar? I've known quite a few PhD candidates as well as doctors on the engineering side of campus that are not very good with grammar. Many foreign students and faculty members are not even very good in English. Maybe I'm wrong, though. Maybe they are not REALLY PhD candidates and they have been lying to me. After all, how could someone know the first thing about partial differential equations if they cannot master subject verb agreement.

    By the way, do you know anything about partial differential equations?

  • Married to a Custodian
  • Posted by GotMeOne on March 22, 2005 at 4:22am EST
  • My spouse is a custodian at a local community college. The institution's current advertising slogan is "Start Here and Go Anywhere..."

    My spouse took advantage of the institution's program that pays for pursuit of a degree for staff employees. Over a period of five years she completed all requirements for an Associate of Arts degree in pre-Business Administration, graduating with a 3.4 GPA.

    Since completing her degree she has applied over a dozen times for administrative and clerical positions that were advertised in-house. She was interviewed for each of these positions but has never been selected because the management of the custodial division is opposed to losing their workers. Since she's in her early fifties she believes that she has no prospect of getting a transfer to a better position at the college and that the work she did acquiring the degree was wasted.

  • subject verb agreement
  • Posted by harmon on March 22, 2005 at 8:21am EST
  • It strikes me that "tone and content" is singular. I suspect there's some kind of name for a phrase like that - consider, for example, "spic and span," "trial and error," and other such words which are commonly used together, such that it would be proper to consider them to be a unity, and reasonable to use the singular or the plural verb.

    Um...oh, yeah, the topic. Anyone remember Eric Hoffer? If you don't, Google him. He might have thought that the real question is whether anyone should marry the professor.

  • Posted by Some Guy , Dean-style racism. on March 22, 2005 at 10:13am EST
  • Here's a reality check for the idiot who screamed "Racism!":

    THE MAJORITY OF CUSTODIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ARE NOT MINORITIES. IN FACT, WHITES AND MINORITIES APPEAR AT REPRESENTATIVE RATES IN CUSTODIAL JOBS.

    I know, it's easy for a middle class white kid on the Internet to start screaming about racism whenever he wants to shut people up, but numbers don't lie.

    According to BLS, in 2004, there were 5,185,000 people in the "Building and grounds maintenance occupations" category. Of those, 14.9% were black and 32% were hispanic. Blacks appear at about their same rate as their percentage of the population, while hispanics are slightly over-represented (not accounting for immigration status or citizenship). http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.pdf

    What is interesting is how young, privileged whites always assume that all the lowly service jobs are filled by minorities. Howard Dean made this assumption a few weeks back about hotel staff, claiming that they were all minorities. I personally think this smacks of something much more sinister than someone objecting to marrying the janitor.

    Minorities fill every role in society, and we don't need ignorant lefty kids stereotyping us as all as low-status or lazy bums. We are not your servants. Get used to it.

  • Posted by Joel on March 22, 2005 at 8:36pm EST
  • Before I moved into a Professional Staff position (Don’t weep for me! The pay in excess of what most professors make, managerial responsibility, and excellent job security adequately compensate me for such a low position.) I worked for a private firm. There everyone was required to dress well, your pay was private information, and we all went to the weekly meetings where we all clapped for whoever won that month’s employee award be it the tops salesmen or the lowest of the warehouse personnel. Practicaly nobody had an office; the place was in a converted roller rink. And while I don’t know who was married to who, I happily flirted with girls who answered phones and worked the reception desk. I had drinks and played pool after work with data entry people. They probably made less then I.

    In contrast, at the university, everyone’s pay is published in a big book. Some people have uniforms, some get to wear what they want. People jockey endlessly for “better” offices. And the “employee of the month” is randomly selected! If those gradations aren’t enough for you there are always the shades of assistant professor / associate professor / full professor / tenured professor / BA / MA / Dr to obsess over.

    In short, might I suggest that if you are looking for egalitarianism in modern America you have cast your eyes towards the worst possible place?

  • Instalanche!
  • Posted by adele on March 23, 2005 at 2:05pm EST
  • I was brought up to believe that all honest work was HONORABLE.

  • Let's all read the article, shall we?
  • Posted by Luis , a reader on March 23, 2005 at 5:54pm EST
  • The situation of the custodial staff in a university, or any other company and institution, is a very timely and important subject of discussion. I see that, unfortunately, some of the people who respond to the article are forgetting the article and going for mudslinging back and forth. That is really very unfortunate. What the article does, I believe, is raise the question of how the different professions relate, especially when they are put in such close contact. I don't think Caesar is disrespectful to custodians; he just describes feelings and attitudes that are common in academia.

    In the mudslinging contest, I will refrain from throwing my own bit. However, I just want to remark that the person who suggests that the grammar-infatuated Elsa may have learned her grammar last week in an ESL class is being extremely insensitive. This person has used an ugly stereotype to the fullest. Because of the name of the writer, Elsa, I imagine this person is of Hispanic origin. With one quick sentence, Jason has put down just about every Hispanic who learned the English language in an ESL class. Or every Hispanic, period. Just because of a Hispanic name, he took his conclusion. It will be the same as thinking that every Jason is the one of the horror movie. Not fair, is it?

    Yes, the grammar knowledge of the average American is atrocious. And yes, most who take the ESL classes learn a lot, and come to have a higher knowledge of the English grammar than most native speakers of English. The way we are going in this country, pretty soon our children will have to all go to ESL classes in order to learn to speak and write properly.

    And custodians are great! If we had to take out our own garbage everyday (for instance), we'd be squabbling (even more) with one another, just like we are now. Let's chill out, and enjoy spring. Or not. Your choice.

  • Marrying a Man or Woman
  • Posted by Katherine Coble on April 29, 2005 at 10:59am EDT
  • Having read the article and comments I'm struck by one thought: Why not value people for who they are and not what they do?

    Sorry: Make that two thoughts.

    I have long considered "Elsa" to be a Germanic name, having grown up in a German community and knowing at least 11 "Elsa"s and 2 "Ilsa"s.

  • social class and different schools
  • Posted by hb on April 29, 2005 at 6:38pm EDT
  • I grew up in a Southern college town in a state notorious for egalitarianism. Most of the custodial and groundskeeping staff were students, or if they weren't, their kids were, etc.

    I went to college at an elite school on the East Coast and was very surprised at the strong sense of social hierarchy of both of students and custodial staff. I would try to say good morning to the custodians, and they wouldn't respond (sounds like your Japanese example). The students treated them rather high-handedly, I thought, and I was quite shocked.

    My guess is that it would be considerably less scandalous for the professor to marry the custodian in my hometown, than where I went to college -- but that's because social class is more rigid in some parts of the country than others.