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September 23, 2005

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With the return of students to campuses this month comes annual hand wringing over the lack of diversity in our science and engineering classes. The United States is at a 14-year low in the percentage of women (16.3 percent) and African Americans (7.1 percent) enrolling in engineering programs.

An engineering student body that is composed largely of white males is problematic not only because of its narrow design perspective, but also because failing to recruit from large segments of the population means the number of new engineers we produce falls well short of our potential.

Although this is not a new problem, it is becoming ever more urgent. We are faced with an engineering juggernaut emanating from India and China, with more than 10 Asian engineers graduating for every one in the United States. Educated at great institutions like the Indian Institutes of Technology or Tshingua University, these engineers are every bit as technically competent as their American counterparts.

So here we sit at the beginning of the 21st century, in the most technologically advanced nation on the planet, with a comparatively small supply of home grown engineers, facing an explosion of technical mental horsepower overseas.

Why fight the tide? Couldn’t we simply import all the engineering we need? Couldn’t we play the economic advantage and close our expensive colleges of engineering? Do we gain anything by educating engineers in the United States?

I would argue that, with a few exceptions, we really don’t. As they are currently trained, American engineers are at relative parity with their foreign-born counterparts, are more expensive, and offer no competitive advantage. But there is a way out of this predicament, one that would provide a raison d’etre for American engineering programs, and make for the kind of design the planet now so urgently needs.

Faced with the increasingly complex design challenges of the 21st century -- an era where resources of every kind are reaching their limit, human populations are exploding, and global-warming related environmental catastrophe beckons -- engineers need to grow beyond their traditional roles as problem-solvers to become problem-definers.

To catalyze this shift, our engineering curriculum, now packed with technical courses, needs a fresh start. Today’s engineers must be educated to think broadly in fundamental and integrative ways about the basic tenets of engineering. If we define engineering as the application of math and science in service to humanity, these tenets must include study of the human condition, the human experience, the human record.  

How do we make room in the crowded undergraduate engineering curriculum for students to explore disciplines outside math and science – literature and economics, history and music, philosophy and languages – that are vital if we are to create a competitive new generation of engineering leaders? By scaling back the number of increasingly narrow, and quickly outmoded technical courses students are now required to take -- leaving only those that teach them to think like engineers and to gain knowledge to solve problems. Students need to have room to in their schedules for wide ranging elective study.

There is a need for advanced engineering training, to be sure, but the place for that is at the graduate level -- in one of the growing number of nine-month masters programs, perhaps.

Teaching engineers to think, in the broadest, cross-disciplinary sense, is critical. Consider two examples of the failures of the old way.

The breach of the levees in New Orleans, which has unleashed a torrent of human suffering, came about not solely because engineers designed for a category 3, rather than a category 4, hurricane. It was caused by decades of engineering and technical hubris, which resulted in loss of wetlands and overbuilding on a grand scale. Would engineers who had studied economics, ecology, anthropology, or history have acted the same?

Or consider Love Canal (or any of a thousand other environmental debacles of the last 50 years). Would designers who had read Thoreau’s Walden, studied Beethoven’s Pastoral Symphony, or admired Monet’s poppies have allowed toxic chemicals to be dumped into the environment so remorselessly?

To prepare our engineers to engage in the major policy decisions we’ll face over the next 25 years -- many of which hinge heavily on the implications of technological design -- we must truly rethink what they need to know when they graduate.

If we do, our progeny stand a fighting chance of having a life worth living. And by giving engineering a larger, more socially relevant framework, expanding it beyond the narrow world of algorithms, the field should prove more attractive to women, minorities, and other underrepresented groups.

Just imagine. A growing and increasingly diverse number of domestically trained engineers -- equipped with the broad insight and critical thinking skills the world needs, which will also give them a competitive advantage over their foreign counterparts.

Overhauling the engineering curriculum would be challenging to be sure, but it’s a design worth building.  

Domenico Grasso is dean of engineering and mathematical sciences at the University of Vermont. He was the founding director of the Picker Engineering Program at Smith College and is vice chair of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Science Advisory Board.

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Comments on Is It Time to Shut Down Engineering Colleges?

  • Shutting down egineering colleges
  • Posted by Harry Levinson on July 18, 2008 at 5:50pm EDT
  • The recommendations of Domenico Grasso, if implemented, would certainly lead to an accelerated shutdown of American colleges of engineering, whose graduates already suffer too much from deficiencies that he would like to accentuate.

  • Hammers looking for nails?
  • Posted by Bob A. , Technical analyst at Small company on September 23, 2005 at 7:04am EDT
  • The author raises a number of engaging points, also noted in a recent National Academy of Engineering report --

    http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/0309091624?OpenDocument

    With respect to the author -- the issue in New Orleans is more than Category-3 or Category-4 levees.

    One wonders why so many resources were expended for a city that has been sinking into oceanside marshlands, in a humid hurricane zone. And after a devastating flood in 1927, which brought to the national scene, America's first professional engineer-president, who was seen as a problem-solver. Now, tough questions are being raised about the wisdom of rebuilding in the worst-flooded areas of New Orleans.

    Any "solution" can be engineered, if enough resources are committed. Consider how much investor funding was expended and "re-allocated" during the dot-com frenzy. Yet, many look back and say the economy then was never better. Does "reality" change over time?

  • Posted by Robert on September 23, 2005 at 8:56am EDT
  • I'm a professor in a mathematics department and the youngest kid from a family of engineers (electrical, mechanical, and civil). I'd say the author is exactly on target with regards to the narrowness and brief shelf life of the most technical subjects in a traditional engineering program. A broad education that gives engineers not only the math and science skills needed to do their jobs but also the intellectual skills to manage and apply information and define and solve provlems is the ideal. (Which is why I chose to teach in a liberal arts college.)

    Computer Science learned this years ago -- that the language you're going to use for coding in your post-graduation job hasn't been invented yet, and so the goal of the education should teach you how to think like a computer scientist. Math is slowly catching up. Engineering appears to be way behind, with some exceptions.

    However, the definition of engineering as "applying math and science to the service of humanity" is nothing more than a warm-fuzzy non-definition that isn't rigorous enough to base a discipline around. The application of math and science to serving humanity extends to other fields like medicine, economics, even politics. Engineering is not just a highly technical form of social work.

    So let's think about how to make engineering more of a discipline about problem-solving and global thinking, but please let's leave Walden and Monet's poppies out of it.

  • Posted by Wesley on September 23, 2005 at 9:34am EDT
  • The author writes that we (Americans) live "in the most technologically advanced nation on the planet." Really? I'd suggest the author (and all Americans) get out a bit more to test that assumption. Try Singapore and Japan if you want to see two nations that far exceed the U.S. on technological advances being used in the service of the common good. Granted, those two countries don't produce the sophisticated weapon systems that we do, weapon systems dreamed up by well trained engineers, but they do employ technology to serve the good of their populations, something that we clearly don't do as much as we should.

  • I'm with Robert
  • Posted by Samwise , Actuary on September 23, 2005 at 11:36am EDT
  • Before we go overboard shoving a bunch of music and poetry down the throats of every engineering student, why not ask what they want?

    A University could offer two kinds of degrees, one for those who wanted a more well-rounded education and less of the technical. Another could focus exclusively on the subject the student is majoring in. You could call the respectively, perhaps, a B.A. and a B.S.

    Oh wait that's been done...

  • Engineering
  • Posted by Kevin , Undergraduate on September 23, 2005 at 11:37am EDT
  • Here comes the liberal-art-solves-everything arguement again. Part of the reason that our engineers are so far behind is because some Indian and South Korean engineering schools have 5 years straight engineering and math (I've been noting this for a while on this website), while our engineers spend 2 years or more on non-engineering subjects. Thats fine for the "joy of learning" crowd, but its not a good investment - if you can't do the increasingly advanced engineering work you will be hired for, it doesn't matter how much extra liberal arts creativity you have.

    Most American students don't know the math systems and couldn't do it if they did, because they have been spending years being trained in Shakespeare and "social justice."

    So it may be time to say "Well, developing world you can do most everything better, but so long as we maintain our headway in novelist quality and social justice protesters, we know we're still on top."

  • Posted by RWH on September 23, 2005 at 1:00pm EDT
  • I hope I’m not changing the subject, but Grasso could substitute “College of Business” for “College of Engineering” and make an argument that is equally succinct.

    I know very little about the dynamics of engineering education ... except that I have two sons with degrees in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from the University of Michigan (one has a second degree in Cultural Archeology). But as a faculty member at several business schools and a former small business owner who spent fifteen years facilitating workshops for what used to known as the Big Three, I can assure you that a significant majority of young men and women with undergraduate degrees in business know very, very little about history; government; political science (and politics); literature; philosophy, religion, and culture; yes, and even economics. Furthermore, their writing skills are on a par with that of most of their professors ... and that’s a frightening thought.

    I have often plagiarized the United Negro College Fund’s slogan when referring to undergraduate business majors ... “a mind is a terrible thing to waste.” I imagine that an important distinction between undergraduate engineering training and undergraduate business training is that engineering schools have curricula grounded in subjects with important (or at least useful) substantive content, while undergraduate business majors spend a great deal of time in courses that are essentially devoid of any intellectual content at all. As I understand it, the substance of engineering courses evolves in response to changing materials, technologies, and requirements. In my opinion, business curricula change essentially because, as Gertrude Stein said, there is no there there. Since nothing really “works” – i.e., nothing is grounded in theory – we’re always eager to jump on the next bandwagon, thus endorsing the next fad. That is especially true in business management, where the only topics that are even remotely useful are borrowed from one or more of the liberal arts and sciences ... and you may be certain the “translation” is usually without attention to either the accuracy of applicability or depth.

    Perhaps the most damaging aspect of profession training at the undergraduate level is that students do not learn in an environment in which the notion of life-long learning is emphasized. Let’s face it, the college or university experience is but a blip in the education and training of young people ... and if they don’t walk away from that experience with a hunger for learning more and more about more and more, then we’ve failed. I’m certain we would be shocked to know how many graduates of colleges of arts and sciences never read another work of Shakespeare ... or never read Harpers Magazine ... or never even subscribe to U.S. News and World Report ... or never take an “enrichment” course at one of their local community colleges after they graduate. I hate to think of what the numbers are for graduates of engineering and business schools.

    I suppose we’re stuck with providing all of this training – as opposed to education – for undergraduates. If that’s a given – and I’m certain it is -- we must do much, much more than “subject” them to a potpourri of general education requirements if we intend to do more than “waste” those precious minds.

  • it's cultural
  • Posted by Dorothy on September 23, 2005 at 1:00pm EDT
  • This goes back to high school or even earlier. Students are usually required to take four years of English and social studies to graduate, while only two or three years of math and science are required or -- in the case of some badly strapped school systems -- even offered. Students who want to take Calculus or Physics in high school have to take them as electives.
    Our definition of a well-rounded citizen just doesn't include respect for analytical subjects or the scientific method. Is it because education majors think math and science is "too hard"?
    Just asking...
    No wonder those who design engineering curricula seem to be operating in an alternate universe. In a sense, they are.

  • Posted by DB on September 23, 2005 at 1:01pm EDT
  • Asking if engineers "who had read Thoreau’s Walden, studied Beethoven’s Pastoral Symphony, or admired Monet’s poppies" would have tolerated crimes against humanity argues that Dean Grasso is unfamiliar with modern German history.

  • A Stimulating Article
  • Posted by Fred Berry , Professor and Head ECE at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology on September 23, 2005 at 2:26pm EDT
  • I am a professor of electrical and computer engineering and I see it this way.

    The lack of liberal education within engineering programs may be a problem with specific engineering departments or colleges in the United State. But engineering programs that are worth anything are integrating the social and human impact of engineering into their curricula. There are many effective partnerships between colleges of engineering, business and humanities at many universities for the purpose of improving design for society. In addition, B.A. programs in engineering are appearing for the purpose of preparing people with a background in science, math and engineering for carries in law and public policy.

    Yes, it is true that the engineers coming from other countries are as good as our own graduates. That has been true for many years and this should not be a surprise now. Companies have been investing for many years into other countries building manufacturing and research centers and now the people of these countries can stay at home in get better jobs and not move to countries like the United States.

    Finally, the lack of diversity within traditional engineering is a problem but organization like ASEE and IEEE along with many colleges and universities will continue to work on this problem. However, programs like Project Lead the Way and the Infinity Project may help with diversity and declining enrolment in the areas of science, math and engineering. These two programs are designed to introduce engineering into the high school curriculum and are meeting with success.

    I see the problem as the people in the United States that are making decisions that impact our society that are not educated in the areas of science, math and engineering. Solutions can be engineered to solve problems but the people making the decisions are creating the problems. So, I am very optimistic about what we are doing in engineering education. But we still need graduates that can do convolution, Fourier Transforms, and understand entropy (just to name a few).

    Finally, thank you Dean Grasso for a very good and stimulating article.

  • means or ends?
  • Posted by Michael on September 23, 2005 at 5:16pm EDT
  • DB's comment about modern Germany is right on: "Would lovers of Wagner's music have built an obscenity like Auschwitz?"

    The author seems to see history, the arts, philosophy, etc., as means, not as ends in themselves.

    You can see a parallel to this attitude in businessmen who try to develop their "interpersonal skills", not because they value personal relationships for their own sakes, but because they hope doing so will make them better deal-makers; i.e., manipulators.

    Here's a way to test the depth of the author's commitment to a new way of thinking. The next time an assistant professor with good teaching, good service, but spotty research, comes up for tenure, the candidate can say, "If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away"; and let's see how far he gets.

  • Liberal Arts and Engineering Education
  • Posted by Hans Gesund , Professor of Structural Engineering at University of Kentucky on September 23, 2005 at 5:16pm EDT
  • There is no doubt that many U.S. engineers are under-educated in the social sciences and humanities. Two questions: 1. How well are Indian and Chinese engineers educated in those subjects? 2. What did the U.S. students learn about those subjects in grade and high school? From my experience, they sure didn't learn math and science.

  • Posted by Doug on September 23, 2005 at 5:17pm EDT
  • I'd like to offer a different interpretation of the "expand the liberal arts" component of the engineering curricula. Rather than add more English, History, etc., perhaps more of the skills developed in those disciplines should be incorporated more into the existing engineering curriculum.

    By this I mean that students should constantly be expected to seek out, critically assess, apply, and communicate relevant information outside of what is given them in class (textbooks, assigned reading, faculty designed labs). There are exceptions, to be sure, but by and large, I've observed that this skill set is not really impressed upon engineering students until their last year in design level classes (if at all even then).

    A vast generalization, but while their liberal arts colleagues work through four years of using information for research papers and the like, engineering students work through 2-3 years of problem sets and concepts where there is usually one right answer expected of them. Then, in their last year, they begin to encounter real engineering problems where there are very likely multiple right answers and external factors need to be considered to select an appropriate one. Students are suddenly expected to know how to seek out, assess and ethically use information to help them make these decisions without having much practice beforehand.

    How much more prepared would our engineering graduates be if these skill sets were developed alongside those in math and science? Hard to say, but in a world where engineers are expected to work and communicate in teams of varied disciplines, it certainly couldn't hurt.

  • shutting engineering colleges
  • Posted by chris Magee , Professor at MIT on September 24, 2005 at 8:20am EDT
  • I would like to expand Grasso's idea to try to address the total problem that he (and other commenters) are discussing.
    The first part of the expanded suggestion is making engineering (as law and medicine are) a graduate professional degree(3 or 4 year length) and eliminate all undergraduate engineering education. The more important part of this idea is that almost all undergraduates would also take significant math and science (and a little about the engineering and invention process) as well as some traditional "liberal arts". This large-scale remaking of undergraduate education (perhaps we should shut down all undergraduate education for a year and not just the engineering colleges) is very important because future lawyers, politicians, doctors, business leaders etc. must have significant technical backgrounds if we are to eliminate poor use of technology. Decisions about love canal and so forth are made by all of us and to do so we need far more technical capability than for example the average congressmen has today. The professional engineers (and business professionals if different) would take the appropriate graduate professional engineering programs after finishing undergraduate study in such broad but also technical undergraduate programs.

  • Posted by Dennis Ruhl on September 25, 2005 at 11:31am EDT
  • As a liberal arts person who has known many engineers, I miss the point. Forcing engineering students to take more liberal arts courses when they already have difficulty with the existing dumbed-down Engish or other courses meant to broaden horizons. Perhaps it is equally appropriate for Smell-the-Roses majors to take engineering courses.

    A functionally illiterate engineer, by my measure, can still design and build a mighty fine bridge.

  • "The Mind at Work"
  • Posted by Todd Emerson Bowers on September 25, 2005 at 2:28pm EDT
  • I'm reminded of Mike Rose's excellent book "The Mind at Work: Valuing the Intelligence of the American Worker". If not a best selling, it certainly should be. Rose responds that these sorts of claims, similar to ones that vocational schools are outdated and need to focus more on the humanities in this so-called "Information Age", are a form of cultural stereotyping that undermine and marginalize the dignity in manual labor. Not that I'm claiming that engineers, like my father who now teaches at a vocational school, are performing 'manual' labor, but they're 'conceptualizing' actual things. To me the author of this article writes with a distinct class bias that handicaps and trivializes the work of so many Americans, and indeed around the world. I'm reminded of the travesty in New Orleans with Katrina and how so many engineers were instrumental in finding solutions to the levy breaks. Would their work have 'better' if they were armed with a stronger liberal arts knowlege? And I, I should point out, teach sociology!

    What is needed, Rose claims, is a richer, more nuanced vocabularly that doesn't reduce work to blue-collar vs. white-color, mental work vs. physical labor, in short, mind vs. body, which the philosopher Spinoza told us to reject centuries ago. If we can reject the stereotypes that cripple's this article above, perhaps we can recognize the intelligence and dignity in blue-collar work, and perhaps even a more rich measure of 'intelligence'.

  • Posted by Ethan Deneault , Dr. at College of Charleston on September 25, 2005 at 3:00pm EDT
  • It seems to me that the author himself misses his own point. He weaves from bemoaning lack of diversity toward a strawman argument encapsulated by the difficult statement: "would an engineer do x if he'd been exposed to y?"

    My simple answer would be yes he or she would do x if exposed to y simply because y (in this case the humanities) has little to no influence on the engineer's duties. Knowing Thoreau does not mean that an engineer who is charged to build a Category 3-capable seawall with a budget of a certain amount is going to change his mind and decide that a Cat-5 seawall would be better.

    If we want to reform science and engineering education, we need to start earlier; start training future scientists and engineers younger, at the high school or middle school level. I echo a previous poster who noted that the state of pre-college math/science education is poor. Too much time and effort is spent at that level in literature, grammar and history compared to technical math and science courses.

    The average Japanese/Indian engineer is no more versed in Edo-era poetry/Sansktrit literature than the average American engineer is versed in Shakespeare. The difference between those two engineers is that the Japanese/Indian engineer was exposed to and learned a lot more math and science at a younger age.

  • Posted by Chris McNamara on September 26, 2005 at 4:37am EDT
  • I have to point out that the author is giving a strawman in his examples. In all cases the decisions that led to the disasters were not made by the engineers. The levees are the most glaring example, where the engineering teams on the project have been pushing for greater measures for decades. But they were ignored in favor of saving a buck. In virtually all organization the engineers are always pushing for higher quality and safety, while the higher-ups in 'Management' are pushing for lower cost and cut corners.

    The idea of educational parity between engineers overseas and here in the US is laughable as well. There isn't even parity between most engineers here.

    By the way virtually every engineering school already has a group of non-engineering elective courses in the required course load . They are electives but most go for either business courses or the liberal-arts courses the author is pushing for.

  • Electrical Engineering
  • Posted by Peter McLaren , Dr. on September 26, 2005 at 11:43am EDT
  • The technological sins of the world are laid at the feet of the engineer! Most of these sins are committed against the advice of the engineer by upper management with far less engineering knowledge but constrained by the need to maintain the bottom line to satisfy investors or tax payers (all of us!). The idea of social or civic responsibility is rarely paramount in this decision process. As several other commentators have pointed out, the problem is not that the engineer does not know enough about the arts but that the rest of us do not know enough about engineering! We live in a society which is totally dependent on advanced technology for its everyday existence and way of life yet most of us exist in blissful ignorance of the feature which underpins our industrialised world. That we do is already bad enough but to excuse and even glorify this ignorance is surely unacceptable!
    Our education system should ensure that all of us have a basic knowledge of the fundamental components of a modern industrialized society. This includes both the arts and the sciences. Those of us who go on to higher education have an added responsibility to enlarge on that basic knowledge, across the board, but we cannot do it all in an undegraduate course which has only 130 credit hours to reach degree level! It is a lifetime learning task based on the respect and understanding of the superior knowledge of specialists in other fields than our own.
    That US youth is not taking up the challenge of becoming an engineer could have something to do with the lack of respect for the engineering profession and the fact that we pay lawyers and accountants more than engineers? In France, where engineers are respected and paid more than lawyers, and where nobody makes it to the top in politics unless they are a graduate from one of France's top Polytechnic Schools, their handling of the big technological decisions is superior (Airbus Industrie, the Nuclear program, Ariane, TGV). France has other problems of course but technology management is not one of them. For the US to abdicate responsibility for the training of engineers and to shop for what we need on the shelves of the education system in developing countries is surely not the answer. There are many reasons why we must stay in the game not the least of which is the strategic consideration of becoming too dependent on foreign influence. Large sectors of the US economy are already moving offshore and closing engineering schools will simply accelerate this process.
    How do we fix the problem of the US education in engineering? There is no doubt that there is a need to reassess the increasing specialisation which is being forced on today's schools by shrinking budgets and increasing demands from employers for up to date knowledge of the speciality of the day. Accredition boards are responding to the demands of society and employers to inflict all kinds of social skills on engineering students in an already overcrowded curriculum. These students have not been selected on the basis of their ability to handle these types of subjects and as one of my erstwhile arts colleagues once remarked "The last thing I want to be saddled with is teaching English literature to engineers". (I have similar feelings about teaching maths to English students who think a sine wave is part of a semaphore language! ) A much broader curriculum for the undergraduate degree would be an improvement followed by fewer candidates going on to a specialist level such as a Masters degree but of at least one year's duration and better still, 2 years duration. But this will be an expensive solution which most State Legislatures will not want to consider. A well educated workforce and society reaps many benefits for the members of that society but it comes at a price up front in the form of higher taxes. And we know where that argument goes with the present attitudes in vogue in the US today.

  • Posted by Caitlin W. at University of Vermont on September 26, 2005 at 2:56pm EDT
  • Much of what this author is saying has no merit whatsoever. Should we close down all the engineering institutes just because there are more engineers being produced elsewhere? Of course not! All the other art schools in the world didn't close when the first Italian masterpiece was made. We never know where or when a truly brilliant engineer will be educated.
    Are we truly willing to give up on the American engineers? Closing American engineering schools will close the door to an engineering career to all, but the richest of Americans. As we import more and more foreign engineers, the value of the profession in America would also drop as either supply exceeded demand or else the foreign engineers, willing to make less than their American counterparts, accepted lower salaries.
    The author asks us "Would designers who had read Thoreau’s Walden, studied Beethoven’s Pastoral Symphony, or admired Monet’s poppies have allowed toxic chemicals to be dumped into the environment so remorselessly?" The answer is yes. Regardless of what is studied, the decision remains ultimately one of business. Did the people involved take the environment into account? They probably did to some extent, but cost-effectiveness of dumping swayed them. Studying some poppies isn't going to change the bottom line - it's cheaper and easier to dump.
    In fact, studying a broader range may actually hurt engineers. Would anyone hire an engineer who didn't know the specifics of his field because he was too busy writing a poem or looking at stars? No. If American engineering is watered down with liberal arts then employers truly will start looking entirely to foreign engineers for their needs. Engineering students have made a choice to be in their current major. If they aren't committed to that choice and want more variety, they should switch to English.

  • A True Engineer Would Never Think This Way
  • Posted by John DiCecco , Lets Shut Down The Whole Education System at University of Rhode Island on September 26, 2005 at 5:28pm EDT
  • I am at once outraged and ashamed that this person is charged with being the dean of a college of engineering. While I have the utmost respect for a persons right of opinion and the right to express it, the author's position as a dean of engineering is tantamount to espionage! It is clear that Dean Grasso would make an excellent politician or even a stimulating liberal arts professor. Perhaps he was at one point and harbors some deep seeded emotional trauma regarding the treatment he received as a liberal arts professor.

    Why stop at closing engineering colleges. Why don't we close nursing colleges while we're at it? Couldn't we just as easily import all the nurses we need from Canada? They already speak English and they have a lower pay scale. Or better still, lets send all of our sick people to Canada and Mexico, then we won't need doctors, hospital administrators, or custodians. Of course we'll still need ambulance drivers to transport them so lets not jump the gun at closing the ambulance driver training schools. On second thought, lets just ask Queen Elizabeth if she'd be willing to annex the US. We'll tell her that we're just not up to the task of running our own country anymore and that we'd prefer to throw in the towel.

    I've got a better idea. STOP SNIVELING. Something that must have escaped Dean Grasso in Massachusettes, Indiana, and Michigan, is that the primary function of an engineer is to solve problems. Period. Not to run from them, cower at the thought of their magnamity, or pass the responsibility on to someone else. Solve them. What a wonderful message Dean Grasso is instilling in the future engineers of America: You are not as good as your foreign counterpart, you are too expensive, and you are expendable. The reason we continue to lose ground is not because our diversity is lacking. (In fact, Dean Grasso must be looking at different numbers than what the Department of Education is publishing because it shows clearly that there are more females in the engineering pipleline than there are males by close to 150,000.) It is because we have "leaders" who have no vision.

    I am appalled that Dean Grasso is the head of an engineering college in the United States. Since he seems to have such a low regard for the profession of the American engineer, perhaps he should set the tone and resign. I'll agree with him about one thing: There are some engineers we can do without. The world can always use another lawyer or politician.

  • Best of Times, Worst of Times
  • Posted by Bill Ruhsam , Traffic Engineer on September 26, 2005 at 5:41pm EDT
  • Dr. Grasso makes some good points. I especially agree with him that current engineering curricula are too specialized.

    I disagree with him where he lays all blame for such notorious disasters as Love Canal and New Orleans' Katrina aftermath on the shoulders of "engineers."

    To quote his article, "To prepare our engineers to engage in the major policy decisions we’ll face over the next 25 years — many of which hinge heavily on the implications of technological design — we must truly rethink what they need to know when they graduate."

    I question the likelihood that the majority of engineers he wishes to train in the new method will reach the status of "major policy decider." Therein lies the crux of the problem. Love Canal was not caused by an engineer. I was facilitated by many, but it was not caused by one. New Orleans was not caused by an engineer. It was caused by a faulty and corrupt political system that could not justify the money spent for long term gain when other, closer, short term issues were at hand.

    I agree with Dr. Grasso that more studies of the human condition should be placed into our engineering colleges. I would suggest that his perspective, as far as this article is concerned, is too Ivory Tower for those of us who work and live in the real world.

  • Posted by Michael Rosen , Res. Assoc. Prof. at UVM on September 27, 2005 at 9:46am EDT
  • About Dom Grasso’s article:

    Amen to all of it.
    And a few reactions:

    He’s describing something close to the engineering education I had at Brown in the 60’s. Although I probably couldn’t have articulated it at the time, his points largely define my reason for doing my undergrad engineering there instead of MIT (although the difference now would be substantially less than in 1961).

    In addition to the capstone Mech. E. design course, I teach a seminar on "Health, Technology and Behavior". I happened to run into one of the Engineering College faculty here at UVM when I was putting up fliers for my seminar in his building; he took the position that there was no point in posting them there since there was "no way" engineering students would have time for it. Seemed a shame to me, and an illustration of Dom Grasso’s point.

    I once carpooled with a guy who worked at Draper Labs in Cambridge. This was at a time when there was a permanent encampment of anti-war protesters outside Draper. (Maybe there still is.) This really pissed him off because he felt indignant that anyone would think that it was his responsibility as an engineer to think about the global(literally and figuratively) consequences of his work.

    It's noteworthy, but not remarkable, that there is such a visceral reaction -- reminiscent of the inter-cultural antagonisms of the late 60's and 70's –- from many of the respondent here to the suggestion that they need to be more broadly educated and more broadly responsible. I think the same bunch of nerve cells that underlie the blue state vs. red state standoff gets stimulated by a topic like this. It reminds me of the time when one of the federal labs decided to work a double shift in counterprotest when campuses shut down all over the place to protest the bombing of Cambodia.

    When I worked at MIT from the mid seventies through mid nineties, Woodie Flowers used to say to the students in the sophomore Mech E. design course that any sentence (in the context of a team engineering design effort) that begins with "It's not my responsibility to ..." is probably wrong before it's finished. I quote him often.

    Mike Rosen
    Research Associate Professor
    Physical Therapy and Mechanical Engineering
    University of Vermont

  • Article Draws From Fear and Doubt
  • Posted by Evan at University of Vermont on September 27, 2005 at 3:44pm EDT
  • No offense, but this article makes no sense at all. First, the title has little to do with the proposal put forth in the article. Then the author goes on to imply that if we teach engineers in college about about the humanities and the social condition, they will be more competitive with graduates from countries such as India and China. Okay, great, but maybe we should look at what those "great institutions" are doing to create "an explosion of technical mental horsepower overseas." Global competition has always been an issue ever since Sputnik. Then it goes on to say that the breach of the levee occured because "engineers designed for a category 3, rather than a category 4, hurricane." Hello, it was widely reported that New Orleans clamored to beef up their levees in 2002, however the Bush administration would not fund it. Engineers had the foresight to see that the levees were not strong enough.

  • Author's Response
  • Posted by Domenico Grasso at UVM on September 27, 2005 at 10:34pm EDT
  • Notwithstanding the 'ad hominen' remarks, it’s highly gratifying to me to see such engaged and often insightful discussion from the engineering and education communities. I do regret that some took my 'reductio ad absurdum' title as a literal recommendation. I was hoping to provoke a national dialogue with my essay and with that I see that I have succeeded. I certainly agree with those who have said that students outside of engineering need more training in math and science at all levels of their education, from elementary school onward. Having policy makers who are scientifically illiterate makes no sense for anyone.

    But my point is that I would like to see more engineers in policy-making roles, and that requires a broader field of thought. This broader perspective will also lead better informed innovative and creative designs. I am in no way advocating “watering down” engineering education or graduating students who are not well-grounded in scientific theory. This is not about replacing difficult technical courses with fluff; this is about what it means to be truly educated.

    We have to recognize that much of our current engineering curriculum is devoted to what I call “fragile knowledge,” teaching those narrowly-defined applications, which not only become quickly outmoded, but also diminish a student’s capacity for deeper fundamental knowledge and discovery and, ultimately, limit an engineer’s world view. I advocate instilling a solid foundation of scientific principles combined with fostering an ability to think critically, communicate effectively and understand the validity of other perspectives (or be able to refute them), be they from the social sciences, arts, humanities or other physical sciences. That will allow our students to be at the forefront of engineering a truly sustainable societal infrastructure.

  • Posted by EK , That's Better at UVM on September 28, 2005 at 7:56pm EDT
  • The article has several disconnected ideas-- competing with Asia by preventing disasters by encouraging under-represented students to study engineering by incorporating liberal arts classes. Without doubt, the author's thesis is much clearer in his respose than in his article.

    However, I am still disappointed that Dr. Grasso reinforces the tired old stereotype--women and minorities are not interested in technical fields. Can't we do a little better than this?

  • Posted by Lisa at University of Vermont on September 28, 2005 at 9:40pm EDT
  • I think there is confusion here over the difference between needing "technical experience" and "technical knowledge." There is no curriculum which will fully prepare us for our future career and there is no way we can obtain all the technical experience needed in our desired job. Many of this experience will be learned with time. In this aspect, I agree with the Dean about possible minimization of very specific technical experience. However, without being taught the technical knowledge in our current curriculum, we will not have the capacity later on to acquire our technical experience. The article suggests that our current education will lead us to “burn out” as engineers, and we will no longer be desirable for hire in the future. However, effective organizations constantly enhance their worker’s employability by introducing them to new concepts and skills, constantly enriching their knowledge and experience. To suggest that an engineer educated today will be less valuable in the future is to suggest that our learning stops when we receive our diploma.
    “If we define engineering as the application of math and science in service to humanity, these tenets must include study of the human condition, the human experience, the human record.” (Dean Grasso) I agree with the Dean as well on this issue. However, the approach suggested will do little do create this balance. The implication is that by taking courses in literature and economics, history and music, philosophy and languages, we will suddenly have a strong edge with our new well-rounded education. What the engineering curriculum really needs are specially designed courses, ones that reflect on the need of real world knowledge for engineering. Don’t mandate history classes; mandate a class, for example, which teaches us the cultural differences between main global technical countries and our own, the business side, the technical side, the social side. Don’t require economics and literature, instead require a class focusing on global engineering, how it is changing our economy and current events, even environmental concerns we are facing as a global whole. To “create a competitive new generation of engineering leaders” (DG) will not consist of creating engineers with knowledge of Thoreau, classical music and vivid flowers. The latter knowledge is not going to create engineers “equipped with the broad insight and critical thinking skills the world needs.” (DG)
    “And by giving engineering a larger, more socially relevant framework, expanding it beyond the narrow world of algorithms, the field should prove more attractive to women, minorities, and other underrepresented groups.” (DG) As a woman in engineering, this is slightly unnerving. Is this a suggestion to sugarcoat our engineering program to slightly deceive and persuade “women and minorities” into finding interest in our program to boost our national statistics for bragging rights? So, these suddenly interested women and minorities graduate with their “Engineering Science” degrees, run off to get engineering jobs, and become slightly puzzled. “Why, this isn’t at all what I thought it would be like.” They consequently change careers, maybe some will stay. We now have very impressive national figures for those diverse individuals with engineering degrees, while somewhat discouraging numbers of effective, practicing engineers.
    “I advocate instilling a solid foundation of scientific principles combined with fostering an ability to think critically, communicate effectively and understand the validity of other perspectives.” (DG) As I am in full agreement with this statement, let’s also remember; Engineers may need to better learn to function in today’s society, but they are still the ones designing our airplanes and our bridges. And when it comes down to it, I would rather them have one extra Mechanism or Structure class under their belt, rather than one extra class in Latin or Anthropology when designing them.

  • Posted by Eric , Nuclear Engineering at Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst on September 29, 2005 at 4:58am EDT
  • I am a Nuclear Engineer at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and I really don't think that and engineer that has a broad, general engineering background peppered with liberal arts "stuff" is qualified to work the controls of a volital and delicate system such as a nuclear plant. I agree with the professor from MIT when saying that engineering should go the way of Law schools and Medical schools where you specialize in your type of engineering after a strong background in the sciences. I know that there are some smart liberal arts students that could do very well at engineering and I also know some engineering students that should probably go paint a picture but they continue to stick it out. The fact of the matter is that engineers choose to take engineering because they don't want to do liberal arts in the same way that liberal arts students do what they do because they don't want to do math and until the govornment can tell us what to do and what to study, like the chinese and other countries, good talent in math and sciences will be squandered. Taking away the ability to specialize would not only hurt the industry but it would hurt the whole engineering system. You cannot beleive that a general education engineer can know how to run a nuclear reactor. On an ending note, if I were told that I could not take nuclear engineering and that I would have to take classes from every engineering dicipline riddled with liberal arts courses I would not be an engineer right now. God help the world from the engineering students that would be produced from the above proposed system.

  • Posted by Ben at UVM Graduate on September 29, 2005 at 4:11pm EDT
  • A couple of quick comments:
    1. United States defense contractors can ONLY hire U.S. nationals. Would the general public prefer that the U.S. be defended by equipment that was designed by less competent engineers?

    2. When I was interviewing for entry level engineering positions in the spring of my senior year, potential employers were much more interested in my core engineering skills than my ability to recite Voltaire.

    It is not a broader education that will create better American engineers; rather it is the development of leadership skills in conjunction with a solid engineering knowledge base that will keep us competitive with foreign educated engineers.

  • Posted by Carmen , why we need to close that? on September 30, 2005 at 4:37am EDT
  • well.. i am an undergraduate for Environmental Engineering..In my engineering class, majority of the student are white males, and I am the only Asian woman in the class. So what? What we need is education and knowledge that help the society and environment. It doesnt matter where or who producing good engineer. The point are Can we benefit the world and, can we really improve the environment? that the most inmportant point.

  • a cocktail party
  • Posted by SUSAN on September 30, 2005 at 11:03am EDT
  • Life is more than a cocktail party.
    It would be lovely to go to a party and be versed in every subject to schmooze.
    Four years of college is a short time.Many little kids are forced to be involved in activities because it looks good or makes the parents happy. Yes its good to get exposed to things...But to have a passion for one thing and do it well is amazing.
    I think the society would be better if we had more experts in their field,and for them to know their limitations as well as their attributes.I think most great engineers are artists and are very creative
    naturally.They already want to think and discover.I think the real VOID is in the rest of the society.The rest of us need to be better versed in what the engineer is up against.Some people are natural born leaders,scientists,educators,and actors....
    Somewhere we flipped the switch and decided to swap jobs...we now think if you are good in film you make a great politician...That makes sense I guess, it is an illusion.If you are a great scientist you are a great teacher and communicator.Maybe not.It is okay to have limits.Maybe you like to sing but you can't.Then sing by yourself.What the society needs to do is share ideas and know how to bring in the expertsand brainstorm. There is also value in every walk of life,and learning to use your hands.
    Thinking,creativity,innovation can't be taught.What the college needs to do is give graduates CONFIDENCE.Knowledge will do that.
    The young engineers need HANDS ON skills in real life projects.They need to apply their design skills NOW BEFORE THEY GRADUATE. They need to put themselves to the test of applying their knowledge of materials,stresses.....seeing things take shape in 3D real life dimension...They get confidence from this to face the job market with real job skills. I think you need to get back to basics.They need real know how..
    and the passion and confidence to lead on...to make mistakes and learn from them...that is when the creative side comes out. Taking the sketch form the cocktail napkin to the drawing board to the computer,to the machine shop, to the world....and on and on...Life keeps spinning around and around.Engineers will make it happen if they are driven.

  • Post hoc ergo propter hoc
  • Posted by John DiCecco at University of Rhode Island on October 1, 2005 at 11:39am EDT
  • Yes, dean, many, many engineers are educated beyond the realm of mathematically intensive problem solving. There is no need to put latin in quotations if the verse has been adopted by the language. Be a better engineer, figure out a way to solve the problems you have elucidated. I have seen no evidence of ad hominem attacks. You cannot shout fire in a crowded movie theater and expect to be greeted favorably.

    I have taught students in Junior level ELE courses that haven't the slightest idea what the logarithm scale is used for. Many cannot even sketch a graph of e^jwt. The last thing these students need is to be coddled further by exposing them to philosophy 101, although it seems to have served you well.

    When an engineer graduates in whatever discipline, he or she will not be hired to research and design a Shakespearean sonnet. Nor will their job titles read "Lead Authority on the Rise and Fall of the South in the Pre and Post Civil War Era." It will not be necessary for them to have read Thoreau to understand the ramifications of pollution. We as Americans make those decisions when we want cheaper gas, cheaper food, and cheaper clothes. Cheaper doesn't happen by itself. Cheaper means corners get cut. If you cannot understand that with your extensive military background and years in the bureaucratic nightmare that is the modern university, then you need to remove yourself from what one repondent referred to as your ivory tower.

    This is not some debate over social programs that can have a positive impact on future generations. You are advocating an unravelling of the fabric that holds our technological skills together.

    I should hope that this article is distributed to your students in the college of engineering. I think it is important for them to know what kind of leadership is setting the tone for their future. It is not possible that you can advocate such a position as you do and give your students unfettered support or respect.

  • Posted by Ryan , undergrad at UVM on October 2, 2005 at 10:15pm EDT
  • I fail to see Dean Grasso's point -- if we add more liberal arts courses to the core curriculum, why does that encourage women and minorities to take up an engineering career? To say that women and minorities will be more attracted to engineering if we add these courses is tantamount to racism/sexism. And even if it were true, then they are going to be sadly disappointed when they graduate and find that what drew them into the field in the first place has nothing to do with what they are expected to do in real life.

  • HOW THINGS WORK
  • Posted by Hector Vazquez , Electrical Engineer on October 3, 2005 at 3:29pm EDT
  • Since the beginning of mankind, both men and women have had a thirst to learn the concept of "How do Things Work".

    This thirst was quenched by observing nature take its course and learning from it. Once learned by observation both men and women wanted to relay this information to others. For example a man would show his son how to fish and a woman would show her daughter how to saw. In order to relay this information, both men and women needed a language.

    Maybe at the beginning of mankind the only language available was sign language. Eventually, both men and women saw the need to relay this information in a more controlled and repeatable manner. As a result both oral and written methods were developed. Notice that these methods may have been developed thousands of years ago, when there were no Engineering Universities or engineering courses available. However, both men and women thought like engineers by first observing "How things worked" in nature, developing methods to demonstrate natures' behavior and teach others these concepts. Both men and women saw an opportunity to live better using nature's wisdom and resources. As nature and human behavior became more fascinating and complex to describe, other languages like Latin, French, English, Science and Mathematics were developed.

    Yes, mathematics is a language! It is a form to describe "How things Work" in nature using numbers and formulas. When we write f (t), we say that “f is a function of “t”. What we really mean is that the behavior of “something” that is described by “f” or that we call “f”, works, changes or “functions” with respect to “t”. We can use math to describe the behavior of a rocket as easy or difficult as it is to describe human behavior. Try this, human stress as a function of income tax or “s (i)” or student stress as a function of exams or “s(e)”. Most of us would agree that stress levels elevate with income tax and exams. This example may not be exact in all situations but neither is Physics. Therefore, to me mathematics is the “Universal Language used to describe How Things Work”.

    Other languages have been developed recently to further enhance the use of mathematics and computer use. Some are Fortran, Basic, C-Plus to name a few. These are languages just as Japanese, German, Spanish, (you get the picture). The reason you learn French, for example, may be because you like French history, became married to a French person or any other reason or “thirst” that you may have. By the same token, you may want to learn Fortran to increase your knowledge in computer programming. It all depends on your particular “thirst” to learn “How things Work”.

    All those engineers or engineering students have an excellent tool or vehicle to learn and describe how things work. Your background in mathematics can help you understand natures’ behavior (including our behavior) from various perspective, including engineering, economics, politics, to name a few.

    Your thirst to learn “How Things Work” is your driving force and it is in your blood by nature. Math, Science, Engineering, Economics, Politics, History, Observation or any other Language is only your vehicle.

    Check out the following function:

    E (m, s, e, e1, p, h, r, h1,o) – Engineering as a function of math, science, engineering, economics, politics, history, religion, human behavior, others. I am sure there is a formula to represent this function. Neither the Americans, the Indians nor the Japanese have found it. I know this however. There is a constant collision among the parameters within this function. Some people would call it competition. I would call it thirst for power and lack for humanity.

    A true engineer would experiment with the above function. In order to understand the above function, he or she would have to learn how to drive the different vehicles. Therefore, I is my opinion that the more vehicles that the student learns to drive and control, the better engineer he or she will become.

    I do not know the real reason behind Domenico Grasso’s articles. It may have been a “function” of frustration, reduced funding by the government, politics, competition, gender, other, etc. { Gr (f, r, p, c, g, o) }. It may have been a well deserved “human wake-up call”. However, his delivery may be improved by stressing on the importance of both men and women in the engineering field, their achievements and new opportunities to improve. For example, both Katrina and Rita was nature showing what it can do. If we observe well, and develop new engineering methods engineers can improve the following:

    Improve levy system – Civil Engineer
    Faster response from agencies – Engineering Degree with Project Management skills.
    Better communication systems in case of power outage – Electrical Engineer
    Better transportation systems – Mechanical Engineer with Project Management
    Better use of Federal Funds – Engineering Degree with strong economics background.
    Reduce pollutants from entering water system – Chemical and or Mechanical Engineer

    I think the above statement sounds more like an opportunity for improvement rather than a problem to solve. Those of you who saw the TV news and felt the human suffering may look at engineering as an excellent vehicle to help those in need in case of a natural disaster and prevent human suffering from man made disasters. I think the author had a good point but a misleading delivery.

    I hope that the reader, my children, specially my daughter who is in the College of Engineering at the University of Vermont will understand this concept of “How Things Work” and use their own judgment in order control and reduce this constant collision. Always remember that at the beginning of mankind both men and women used nature wisdom and resources to live better. These resource should be available for all mankind to enjoy and not to fight about. Competition gives us too much stress and only takes us out of focus. After all, mankind is also a function of all the parameters discussed above including engineering. If mankind function goes to zero, would there be anybody left to blame?

    Cordially,

    Hector L. Vazquez BSEE

  • Posted by sean on October 9, 2005 at 10:40am EDT
  • 1. This country, with UVM have produced under ABET outstanding engineers who have made us a superpower and a technology leader.
    2. With globalization, the current laws, and the low cost of doing business overseas, multi-national co-operations will continue to outsource part of their activities to foreign trained engineers.
    3. The curriculum of elementary and secondary schools outside the USA emphasizes mathematics and science while the engineering curriculum is mathematical, scientific, technical and practical.
    4. I agree with Ryan who said”To say that women and minorities will be more attracted to engineering if we add these courses is tantamount to racism/sexism.”
    5. I trust that there would be faculty and students input before changes are made in the curriculum at UVM. We should not offer more liberal arts courses in engineering to attract more students, increase tuition revenues, and graduate engineers who are unprepared for the challenges of the future.
    6. Our challenge will be to offer more programs in the mathematics, science and technology which will sustain our global technological leadership.

  • More Dr. Feelgood???
  • Posted by Hal W on October 12, 2005 at 4:47am EDT
  • Dean Grasso seems to be pedaling more of what has gotten the American Educational system from first place (where we used to be) to fifteenth in Math and so on world-wide. We do not need classes which soften our curriculum in engineering. When Sputnik was sent up by the Russians, it kicked us in the backside that we (greatest country in the world) had been beaten - gave a tremendous shove to improve (toughen) the requirements of our courses of study.

    We need to do it again. We all need to become American Americans - not play up to the differences in our past cultures. How would people respond if I identified myself as a Dutch American? The most brilliant man I have ever known (mathematician - math theory) is black, but not Africian American - just American and he would never agree to diluting our sciences/engineering training methods.

    Now a word from our sponsor: One American engineer is worth five from anywhere else. Look at the record - the major innovations come from American engineers. They may have been "Chinese" Americans, "Japanese" Americans, or some other ethnic background, but they were American raised and American trained.

    I would love to hear about the major NEW innovations coming from India or any of the other third world countries. As my old professor friend used to say "Not happening". We do sell new tecchnology to Japan (RCA sold VHS for quick shot in the arm before annual report came out), Korea and other countries, but the fact that our company management is stupid does not reflect upon our engineers - they are still the most innovative in the world.

    Remember, we do feed all those countries that you were talking about having better engineers - why can't they feed themselves??

    Dean, your article upsets me because you attempt to make us feel that we haven't done enough and you're trying to blame engineers (American Engineers) for poor management and that is beyond where you should have gone. The local government in New Orleans was given the money ($870 million) to fix their levees and they make the decision that the money was better spent on a new home for their NFL football team (to bring in more money) - stupid move by the locals. The Army engineers did a good job, when you consider what they were given.

    This reminds me of time I spent in Sudan trying to convince President of Sudan to allow project that would have changed the fate of his people forever. Project to pump water into Great Waddi Depression, generating electricity in pipes carrying water. He wouldn't buy it because the Japanese would have gotten revenue from Hydro Power, to repay them for building pipeline, etc. The Sudan would have gotten the rain from the water evaporating and it would have made their country a garden. The project was conceived by an American Engineer, so let's look at reality. America still produces the smartest, most innovative engineers in the world - they are not second place to anyone and if you think they are, I feel very sorry for you and think you should consider a career change.

  • why american students dislike engineering?
  • Posted by Zhengfei Zhang , Student, Mechanical Engineering at University of Michigan on October 13, 2005 at 3:40pm EDT
  • Anyone that has gone through a rigorous school for an undergraduate engineering degree knows just how difficult it is. The payoff for this degree is a upper middle class salary with no job security, very little chance to move up the corporate ladder. Why would anyone want to major in this? I know i regret majoring in it. If u want more kids to do engineering, u have to increase the incentive, like teaching them more math/science in middle/high school. Developing their studying habits for college majors like engineering, and then u have to make sure that engineering majors get good jobs and make a lot of money. These are all impossible in this society. So, number of engineering majors will go down in the US.

  • Don't just farm it out
  • Posted by Joanna Wolfe at University of Louisville on October 30, 2005 at 2:40pm EST
  • As an English professor who teaches technical writing to engineers, I disagree that engineering students need more exposure to Shakespeare, Monet, etc. Humanities professors have long given up on the idea that exposure to "great works" improves moral character.

    What engineering professors need to do is actually *collaborate* with professionals from other disciplines to integrate communication skills, ethical reasoning, and other problem-solving skills within existing the curriculum. Instead, what most schools do is say "our students need better writing skills, let's make them take another English class" with almost no discussion with the English department. No matter how hard I work to make writing courses relevant to engineering students, it's hard to get students without professional experience to take them seriously when their Engineering schools have a "let's farm it out" approach to writing.

    Instead, engineering schools should be hiring writing experts to work with their faculty and TAs to teach communication skills alongside of traditional engineering work.Then if schools want to assign another separate technical communication course on top of that, at least it won't seem totally irrelevant to students.

    Another way to integrate humanitarian thinking with an engineering curriculum is to change the focus of assignments to include "people" aspects to problems. I have taken several Computer Science courses and almost all of the assignments contain no context, no reason for writing the problem. For instance, a data structures class might teach students to write a priority queue with no discussion of a context in which a priority queue would be useful. I recently published a study in which I gave students in an introductory CS class (required of all engineering majors) a choice between an "engineering" version of a programming assignment and a "people-focused" version that provided a context and a reason for writing the program. Students overwhelming preferred the people-focused assignments, saying that they would be motivated to do a better job. This is a simple change to existing coursework that gets students to focus on the human contexts of their engineering problems without detracting *anything* from technical requirements. (Computer Science Education 14.2 147-203 (2004)).

    Your liberal arts colleagues can give you many ideas for improving your existing curriculum--and you can help them design courses that will be more relevant to the needs of engineers.

    Before you start adding more courses to the curriculum, see if there are ways to improve what is currently being taught. Don't just farm out this work to others and expect things to improve.