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What We Can Expect From Students

Paula M. Krebs has been a professor of English at Wheaton College, a selective New England liberal arts college, for 15 years. Her sister Mary Krebs Flaherty teaches writing as an adjunct at the inner-city campus of Camden County College, a two-year institution. They are writing a series of artiles about what it’s like to teach English at their respective institutions.

Paula: I’m trying not to be annoyed at my students who have e-mailed me that they won’t be in class today and tomorrow because their flights back to school were cancelled due to the snow. What business, I wonder, do they have flying out of town three weeks into the semester? And this snowstorm was predicted all week — they knew there was a chance they’d not get back for classes. Then I remind myself that one said she’d left for a “family emergency” and another because his sister had just given birth. They have a right to set their own priorities — it’s up to me how to handle those decisions in terms of grading.

Mary: Very few of my students have a computer at home, let alone internet access, so they can’t e-mail me about problems that come up, such as not being able to attend class due to a snowstorm. None of my women students with children attended class during the snowstorm — not because they couldn’t make the commute, but because they didn’t have a babysitter for their kids and the elementary schools were closed in Camden. The priority for these students is exactly that — their children first, class second. I am acutely aware of the time restrictions that my students face in their personal lives. Most, if not all, have part time or full time jobs, and as I said before, many of my female students have parenting duties when they get home. I find that I have to make homework assignment decisions based on what I think they can actually accomplish without overwhelming them.

Paula: Mine would love it if I took into account their part-time jobs and other obligations when I assigned homework, but I can’t do that. This is a residential college (more than 90 percent of our students live on campus), and I operate on the assumption that taking classes is their full-time job. So I assume that they’ll spend at least three hours outside of class for every hour they spend in class, and I assign reading and writing accordingly. They grumble, but most of them do it.

Mary: I would love half of that time commitment from my students! Instead, I have accepted doctor’s notes for prenatal care appointments and family court documents from students who wanted “excused” absences from class. If a student wants to see me before or after class for additional help, I feel that I have to be generous with my schedule to accommodate them given that, as an adjunct, I have no office or office hours. Since most students have part time jobs and several students even work full time jobs, they have to balance outside work, family obligations, and homework. I admire their tenacity, but I also have to make sure that they are doing a fair amount of school work outside the classroom. This is especially difficult because for many of them their only access to a computer is on campus, and they have to alter work schedules and family schedules to type their papers. To add on to their schedules, I encourage them to participate in a campus bookclub called Mental Elevations, which is one of only three school-sponsored clubs on the Camden campus.

Paula: On my campus, most students have part-time jobs, but many also participate in activities on campus — theater, singing groups, clubs, and, of course, sports. Scheduling events outside of class is always problematic. We have to work around rehearsals, practices, and working hours. I have never had a student with childcare responsibilities. For me the biggest problem is to make sure they see the relevance to their future careers of what I’m asking them to do. The value of a liberal arts education is clear to the faculty, but it isn’t necessarily self-evident to a 19-year-old how reading Elizabeth Gaskell will help in the world of high finance or state government or retail management.

Mary: It’s much easier for me to make clear to my students that effective writing carries over into their other academic courses as well as future careers. We read paragraphs and essays in different rhetorical patterns that directly correlate to specific career choices. We recently worked on the process essay (“how-to”), and I told them to think about being a human resource manager who had to write a training manual. Before that, we went over the narration paragraph, which corresponded with a nurse’s record of a patient. For me, translating the usefulness of effective writing is relatively easy — getting the students to believe that writing is a skill that they can learn is the difficult part. They bring a “one and done” attitude into the class, and I need to help them come to think about writing as a process. By following certain steps, they can learn to be effective writers.

Paula: Your students must have pretty clear career goals or aspirations that bring them to a community college at a nontraditional age.

Mary: My class dynamic is definitely interesting because I do have some students directly out of high school (with children of their own), as well as a number of returning students who have now realized that, say, having a CNA certificate (Certified Nursing Assistant) is not as valuable or rewarding as an RN degree. In either case, it seems that the beginning students in Basic Skills classes only have a level of practicality that college equals money and better opportunities for their potential careers.

Paula: I think liberal arts colleges like mine want to have it both ways, really. The students and their parents are investing huge amounts of money in this bachelor’s degree, so they want a return on that investment in the form of a job. At the same time, they have chosen a liberal arts college and not a community college or a state college or university, so they also have a sense that they want an education that is more training in critical thinking, writing, and arts and sciences than it is job training or vocation-oriented, as in engineering or business school. So in our courses we treat knowledge and inquiry as valuable in and of themselves, but outside of class we stress internships, networking, and job and graduate school placement.

Mary: I find myself having this exact duality in my role as graduate student and as a teacher. There is a huge gap between critically discussing 19th century novels like Bleak House at night with fellow graduate students, then turning around and teaching the concept of concrete supporting details in a basic skills class the next morning. What makes this even harder is the fact that in between teaching and being a grad student is working 40 hours a week at a job that doesn’t have any relevance to my academic life. But it’s the job that pays the bills, and allows for my education, so it has first priority. Maybe this is why I have so much empathy for my students....

The previous column by Paula M. Krebs and Mary Krebs Flaherty explored grading and other measures of academic performance.

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Diverse Learning Experiences — Same Content

Dear Paula and Mary,

Your series reinforces the need for student success studies, and remaining sensitive to learning styles and student profiles. It also reminds us of the need for similar learning outcomes that stretch a wide variety of socio-economic settings. I have come to appreciate greatly the work of organizations like the National Resource Center for the First Year Experience (USC) and NACADA for helping us to realize the benefit of both the Wheatons and the community colleges, and that half of our students go through the latter. And there is another type of student not really covered in your series—the poor student at the Wheatons. I have a degree from the other Wheaton (IL) and one from Miami (OH), a public ivy, but came out of poverty. It would be interesting to see a dialogue about this population as well—and, students from affluence attending community colleges. Have you seen Tracy Skipper’s primer on student development theory (National Resource Center, 2006)? It provides palatable theoretical underpinnings for many issues related to your discussion. Also, Mary’s adjustment from the Bleak House to the undergraduate classroom reminds me of Plato’s return to the cave—attempting to make the adjustment after being enlightened (The Republic, Book VII). I think you’ve hit upon one of our key challenges and charges as teachers—helping them to find answers to ultimate questions. I remember studying 18th-century primers in the McGuffey collection at Miami, and was amazed that 12-year olds were required to study the classsics, and oftentimes to learn Latin. I’ve come to believe that “The Dream Needs To Be Stronger than the Struggle.” You both seem to be helping students to do this—though the struggles are different. See www.indwes.edu/buckcreek and “Shooting for the right goals.” Sincerely, Thanks for your creative and engaging series. JP

Jerry Pattengale, AVP for Scholarship & Grants at Indiana Wesleyan University, at 7:20 am EST on March 13, 2006

Bottom Line

I sympathize with Paula and Mary, but...Having heard most of the rationale for not getting the work done including family deaths, births, hospitals, illegtimate doctor notes, etc., etc., after a while one comes to the realization that, like it or not, they are coming to the University or the Community College, and especially the Community College, to improve their chances in the world of work.

Therefore, the bottom line is that when they sign up for a course or a program, they, in essence, sign on to a “contract". The contract is explained by the syllabus and the products to be delivered (on both sides) are specified. Both of us, the professor and the student, have contracutal expectations of delivery that is measured by the grades and the mutual assessments. Each of us must manage within those bounds and deliver within the time contraints expected irrespective of our personal lives. We both have “decided” this is what we will achieve. In any decision-making process, the rewards and the consequences are spelled out. The results speak for themselves.

We all need to change this “One Nation under Therapy” and recognize “The World is Flat” in order to compete in the Global Village.

Edward Winslow, A “retired” Business Professor, at 10:40 am EST on March 13, 2006

working students and attendance

Because my introductory classes meet only once a week for fifteen weeks, and because they meet for four contact hours each week (one hour of lecture, three hours of lab/studio/presentation), attendance is critical. Eligibility for grading is established in the first day’s handout and by contract: thirteen of fifteen class meetings fully attended is a pre-requisite for a final letter grade. Although some of them don’t want to hear it, I frequently remind them that they deserve the opportunity to fully attend our class.

Walter Dufresne, adjunct assistant professor at New York City College of Technology, at 12:45 pm EST on March 13, 2006

How many hours of homework

Part of the interchange above suggests three hours of homework for every hour of class. To graduate in four years, most students require 15 hours of class a week (not counting labs). Three hours of homework for every hour of class would add up to a 60 hour week. I agree that a 15-unit load should be equivalent to a full-time job, but no more. How about two hours of homework for every hour of class, yielding a 45 hour work week?

David Meredith, Professor at San Francisco State University, at 5:40 pm EST on March 13, 2006

the idea that students should put 3 hours into prepping for every hour they spend in class works well in theory, but in practice, only works with middle and upper class students. You can say the syllabus is a contract that requires 9 hours of homework a night in addition to attending every class until you’re blue in the face-that doesn’t mean students will do it. Particularly working with nontraditional and underprivileged students, their schedules are more demanding than traditional students, they have other responsibilities, like childcare and work. Saying too bad just reproduces an educational system by and for the wealthy, an increasingly smaller and smaller population when even middle class students work or take out massive loans for school.

grad, at 7:15 pm EST on March 13, 2006

family and work responsibilities

Acknowledging legitimate family and work responsibilities is not “therapy". Men may have a wife to care for their childen and every aspect of their lives outside of the classroom, but women don’t often have this luxury. Balancing work, school and family responsibilties is a fact of life for all women with children. Schools, like workplaces, need to adjust to the idea that women have just as much right to an education as men, and work to do what they can to help students access education despite these responsibilties. It is not only students but faculty members who struggle with ways of doing things that are based on men’s needs and their privilege to almost never have primary responsibility for children. The disparity in the numbers between male and female faculty with children shows that this concern is real for both students and faculty. This is not a therapy issue, but an access to education (and employment as an educator) issue.

S. Johnson, at 2:10 am EST on March 14, 2006

Obligations and Performance

Once again we come back to balancing workload and planning. Seeking a higher education is a “choice” and then becomes a “goal” that leads to another higher goal of a better life or some other objective one wishes to accomplish along with all of the consequences that decision brings.

That choice being recognized, then one’s personal behavior is modified to meet that goal if it is important enough. What goes with that decisive action is all of the consequences that follow. If family life needs to be modified, then change it. If personal time and relationships need to be changed, then change them. If one needs the help of others, then get it. The point being, as in all other major goals in our lives, things need to change to achieve any worthwhile goal, and it becomes necessary to make the changes and acceptance of the consequences that follow. Only the student and the faculty member can make it happen. As in life, one must do what it takes to get what they want and accept the consequences that follow. It’s that simple and that difficult.

Edward Winslow, a “retired” Business Professor, at 9:15 am EST on March 14, 2006

Student and Instructor Expectations

Dear Paula and Mary:

Thank you for sharing your introspections on your jobs. What is especially important to me is that you care so much about student success and that you continue to grapple with the endless dilemmas of the day.

For each conclusion you reach, there will be another dilemma, like the popping heads under a child’s hammer.

Keep it up.

Best wishes.

Lloyd.

Lloyd Rain, Dir of Purchasing (Retired), at 1:35 pm EST on March 17, 2006

‘What We Can Expect From Students’

When Paula is discussing 3 hours of work for every hour in the classroom, it might be useful to understand that Wheaton’s classes (most of them, anyway) are worth 4 credits rather than 3. I’m a graduate of Wheaton (MA) and teach at CSU, Sacramento — where credit hours are 3 per class. It makes a difference. I struggle with this dilemma (how much to assign) as well. Sac State is a school where the median age is 27 and most students work full-time and/or have families. I think it’s problematic to call it sexism when we assign work on this basis. My struggle is that, while I recognize the challenges most of my students face, their degree is supposed to mean something. How much can it mean when we don’t cover enough material or ask them to be responsible for covering it? There indeed are clear class differences for the most part between Wheaton and CSUS (and I went to Wheaton in large part because it gave me the best financial aid package, thank you) but asking the students to ignore the responsibilities which come with seeking a degree will produce students with inferior educations. It’s hard getting them to realize that — as well as getting them to realize that hard work is good for their brains....

Alyson Buckman, Associate Professor at CSUS, at 7:00 am EST on March 19, 2006

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