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November 10, 2006

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Tuesday’s election results offered much for liberals like me to celebrate, but balloting in Michigan was a reminder that proponents of racial and economic justice in higher education need a new strategy.

On election day, an anti-affirmative action initiative passed easily in Michigan, just as similar ballot initiatives prevailed in California in 1996 and the state of Washington in 1998. Taken together with Florida -- where Gov. Jeb Bush preempted a threatened ballot initiative with a 1999 executive order banning racial preferences -- the Michigan result means that four states, with nearly one quarter of the U.S. population, have now banned preferential affirmative action for minorities and women in public universities and state government. Ward Connerly, the conservative black businessman who has backed each of these efforts, is now considering taking his cause to additional states, including Colorado, Illinois, Oregon and Missouri.

Supporters of affirmative action had a lot going for them in Michigan. Virtually the entire state establishment opposed the ban on preferences, including businesses, labor unions, civil rights groups, religious organizations, the higher education community, and both Republican and Democratic gubernatorial candidates. These groups helped supporters of affirmative action outspend opponents by a three to one ratio.

But virtually unified support for affirmative action among major organized groups did not translate into popular support. The elite strategy worked well in the U.S. Supreme Court three years earlier when the University of Michigan’s defense of the constitutionality of affirmative action prevailed. Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, the swing vote in Grutter v. Bollinger, which upheld affirmative action in the university’s law school, cited amicus briefs from the military and business communities as especially persuasive. And O’Connor chose to defer to higher education in its contention that no race-neutral alternatives were sufficient to produce racial diversity. But Michigan voters were not similarly persuaded and, with Tuesday’s balloting, effectively repudiated O’Connor’s position on affirmative action at the University of Michigan.

Nor did a shift in wording of the ballot initiative help supporters of affirmative action. The initiatives in California and Washington, drawing heavily on the wording of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, banned discrimination or preferences without using the phrase "affirmative action." Some were understandably concerned that voters were confused in those earlier initiatives because they did not realize they were banning affirmative preferences on behalf of disadvantaged minority groups. But adding the phrase "affirmative action" didn’t appear to help much. On Tuesday, Michigan passed the initiative by 58 to 42 percent -- a 16 point margin that in a presidential election would be considered a landslide.

Some portion of initiative supporters may well have been voting to keep minorities "in their place." But as a whole, Michigan voters could hardly be written off as right-wing, racist and sexist yahoos. The same electorate that easily passed the ban on preferential affirmative action re-elected Gov. Jennifer Granholm and U.S. Sen. Debbie Stabenow, both Democrats and women, by comfortable margins. A study released in the days before the election by the conservative Center for Equal Opportunity -- finding that applicants to the University of Michigan in 2005 with an SAT score of 1240 and a GPA of 3.2 had a 10 percent chance of admissions if they were white or Asian but a 90 percent chance if they were black -- undoubtedly moved some voters.

Given the results in Michigan, it is hard to see how affirmative can prevail in future initiative battles. Despite broad, bipartisan support for affirmative action among elites, a substantial financial advantage, favorable ballot language, and a political climate congenial to Democrats, affirmative action still took a beating at the polls. Faced with these realities of public opinion, what should those concerned about racial and economic justice in higher education do?

Next Steps

To begin with, higher education must rediscover its commitment to the American Dream. The public supports higher education because it sees colleges and universities as a key to social mobility. The public wants to reward students who work hard, especially those who overcome obstacles to succeed. The language -- and practice -- of college and university admissions ignores this fundamental truth. Instead of speaking about deeply held values -- equal opportunity, the chance to improve one’s position through hard work -- the higher education establishment has rallied around a different concept: "Diversity." On Wednesday, the University of Michigan’s president, Mary Sue Coleman, began a speech to the university community saying, "Diversity matters at Michigan, today more than any day in our history." She concluded, "Let’s stand together to say: We are Michigan and we are diversity." In between, she invoked diversity 19 other times.

Diversity is surely an important and positive value in education and in other areas of life. But diversity is a result, which tells you nothing per se about whether the process of admissions was fair. The diversity argument for affirmative action was favored by the moderately conservative Supreme Court Justice, Lewis Powell, in the 1978 Bakke case that initially established the precedent that it was legitimate for colleges to use race as a factor in admissions. The great liberal giants on the court, like Thurgood Marshall and William Brennan, were far more concerned about racial justice. Relying on a university’s right to assemble a diverse class, rather than society’s need for justice and fairness, saps the civil rights movement of its greatest strength: its moral authority.

Restoring the central place of the American Dream offers up some new possibilities. In 2003, the Los Angeles Times and Newsweek conducted some interesting polling that found that Americans opposed racial preferences by about 2 to 1, but they supported preferences based on income by about the same margin. Even conservatives -- from George Allen to Newt Gingrich to Ward Connerly -- say they support affirmative action based on class. Progressives may well want to call their bluff. Arguing that admissions officers should provide affirmative action to low-income and working class kids of all races who work hard and do fairly well comports well with the public’s understanding of the American Dream.

Yet most American colleges and universities do not practice class-based affirmative action, their rhetoric notwithstanding. In a study published by the Century Foundation in 2004, the researchers Anthony Carnevale and Stephen Rose found that affirmative action triples the representation of black and Latino students at the nation’s most selective 146 colleges and universities, but there is essentially no boost given to low income and working class students. Princeton University’s former president, William Bowen, came to the same conclusion in his study of a smaller group of elite universities.

As a result, low-income students are effectively shut out of selective campuses. Carnevale and Rose found that at the selective 146 colleges and universities they studied, 74 percent of students come from the richest economic quartile and just 3 percent from the poorest. It’s hard to reconcile the 25:1 ratio of rich to poor as consistent with the American Dream. And economically disadvantaged students aren’t absent because they are incapable of succeeding. Carnevale and Rose found that you could boost the representation of the bottom socioeconomic half from 10 percent to 38 percent, through admissions preferences based on socioeconomic status and that these students would graduate at rates equivalent to those currently attending selective colleges.

Importantly, many of those smart, hard working kids who overcome obstacles and deserve to be admitted are students of color. Carnevale and Rose found that class-based affirmative action would boost the combined representation of black and Latino students from the 4 percent who would be admitted based strictly on grades and test scores to 10 percent. This is somewhat below the current 12 percent representation that is now achieved with race-sensitive admissions at the 146 selective colleges.

But if additional factors of economic disadvantage not considered by Carnevale and Rose were added into the admissions calculus -- such as having a small or negative net worth, or growing up in a neighborhood of concentrated poverty -- the racial dividend from socioeconomic affirmative action would be even greater. At UCLA Law School, which used a class-based affirmative action program that considered wealth among other factors, African Americans were 16 times as likely to be admitted under the socioeconomic program as through the normal race and class-blind admissions process.

Part of the resistance to class-based affirmative action is that its colorblind approach is seen as suggesting that racism is no longer a problem, a thing of the past. But in fact, class-based programs incorporate not only the legacy of past discrimination but also the reality of current day discrimination. Take the wealth measure, for example. Black median net worth is just 12 percent of white net worth, a gap far greater than the income divide between races. To some significant degree, the wealth gap reflects both the legacy of past discrimination and continuing discrimination in the housing market. Houses in African American neighborhoods appreciate slower than in white neighborhoods because of housing discrimination.

The American public is not opposed to taking affirmative steps to help students who have faced disadvantages. Efforts to promote the American Dream -- by giving a leg up to disadvantaged students of all races -- will win far broader public support than race-specific efforts that are justified on the basis of diversity per se. How many defeats like the one in Michigan are required before progressives wake up to this reality?

Richard D. Kahlenberg, a senior fellow at the Century Foundation, is author of The Remedy: Class, Race, and Affirmative Action (1996) and editor of America’s Untapped Resource: Low-Income Students in Higher Education (2004).

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Comments on Time for a New Strategy

  • Posted by New Era on November 10, 2006 at 7:50am EST
  • The sweet voice of reason. The population as a whole is well ahead of the elites in their opposition to legally-sanctioned discrimination. Opposition to discrimination used to be a defining characteristic of progressives; for the last few decades that has been reversed, with support for discrimination a sine qua non if you were to be considered a person of the left. Let's put an end to this madness and end the racial bean counting that is driving a wedge between otherwise natural allies in this country. This could have been done in a single stroke if Justice O'Connor had simply folllowed the constitution, but she has set us up for decades of racial antagonism until the 14th Amendment is resored once and for all. So sad and needless.

  • Locking in Privilege, One State at a Time
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on November 10, 2006 at 9:45am EST
  • Faced with the current political climate, the author has a good point: it is time to call the right wing on its bluff about supporting class-based affirmative action. My guess is that few conservatives truly support such an idea, they simply enjoy making facile and misleading statements about how race-based affirmative action favors Colin Powell's kids at the expense of poor white kids from Appalachia. Most of these right-wingers are smart people, so they have to know that the result of Michigan's vote will not bring more poor Appalachian (or Upper Peninsula) kids to Ann Arbor, but rather another couple of dozen borderline applicants from the private academies of suburban Detroit (I exaggerate slightly, but you get the point).

    But even if we were to institute class-based affirmative action (a remote possibility at best), this would do nothing to address to impact of the racism that still stains our society. Poverty alone does not explain why some schools are inferior to others. The attitudes of some teachers, legislators, administrators, and school board members matter, too, as do the actions of white parents who pull their kids out of public schools the moment the minority population exceeds a certain threshold. My point is not that these people are evil racists; most of them are decent people whose views have been skewed by TV's over-emphasis on inner city crime, as well as pseudo-scientific racist garbage like The Bell Curve.

    Perceived self-interest also comes into play here. People have the idea (loudly repeated by groups like the Orwellian-labeled Center for Equal Opportunity) that affirmative action has a significant impact on their own (white) child's chance of getting into college/law school/med school, etc. Look at the "statistic" cited in the article: "applicants to the University of Michigan in 2005 with an SAT score of 1240 and a GPA of 3.2 had a 10 percent chance of admissions if they were white or Asian but a 90 percent chance if they were black".

    People are led to believe that, if affirmative action is eliminated, their 3.2/1240 kid will suddenly have a 90% chance of getting into Michigan, which is, of course, ridiculous. Someone (I wish I could remember who) once developed a great analogy between affirmative action and parking spaces for the disabled at the mall. At Christmas time, as we circle the parking lot looking for a space, any space, to leave our car, we see an empty "handicapped spot", and we think for a moment that, but for that blue sign, we would be able to park right by the front entrance. Upon reflection, that view is obviously ludicrous (the parking spot in question would have been filled hours ago), but that's the way our brain sometimes processes information.

    So I think what we have here is a problem of education. We have too long ceded the battle of the talking points to the Ward Connerlys of the world, and it's time to fight back. Maybe racism, or misguided self-interest, or ideological rationalization will be too strong and we'll fail. But at least we have to try. Of course, some people *are* trying, and I am not intending to denigrate their often heroic efforts. I'm simply saying that more of us have to join the debate and not let any facile rationalization by the other side go unanswered. We do a good job of that here at IHE. But do we do our part in the broader world?

    (Yes, I am anticipating the usual responses from the usual suspects on this thread. But folks, can you do me--and historical accuracy--at least one favor? Stop using Dr. King's line about the "content of our character". Because, really, if you think that Dr. King actually meant to suggest that we should cheerfully accept a world in which African Americans are permanently underrepresented in the nation's elite institutions, you obviously don't know much about the man's life and work. And if you're simply using the quote disingenuously, you're wasting our time and sending a pretty unpleasant message.)

  • fix the problem at its root
  • Posted by Psych Prof on November 10, 2006 at 9:45am EST
  • Instead of admitting people to college and university who haven't show they deserve it in their high school performance, why don't we (finally) attack the problem at its root, and fix the inequalities that continue to exist in the public school system. If economically disadvantaged kids can get the same primary and secondary education as their more privileged brethren in the first place, they should be able to compete toe-to-toe for places in good post-secondary schools. (And while we're at it, perhaps we should work harder on the problem of economic disadvantage in the first place.)

  • Posted by CJ on November 10, 2006 at 9:55am EST
  • I'm all for class-based admissions policies as a philosophical matter, but let's be realistic about their promise. The opposition to affirmative action is a fundamentally segregationist impulse, and it doesn't matter to the people who want it whether the segregation is by race, or class, or religion, or left-handedness: they want access to higher education for their own kind, and only for their own kind. If institutions switch to class-based admissions, we will quickly see the same sort of opposition organizing around "unfair treatment for the middle class"; after all, class-based admissions, precisely because they are more effective at generating social mobility than are race-based admissions, are even more directly threatening to the children and grandchildren of the extremely wealthy funders of the American conservative movement. And making it class-based allows middle-class voters to kill preferences without feeling racist, so if anything, the demise will come more quickly.

    At its heart, the battle against equity in higher education is a battle in which wealth strategically mobilizes unthinking people of all classes to appeal to their worst impulses--the urge to get ahead at the expense of the other, and the fear that the other is getting ahead at their expense. In other words, the root of the problem isn't diversity, or class; it's the "I've got mine, to heck with you" mentality that has dominated American political culture since the Vietnam backlash and the economic peak in '72. Consequently, if we don't first learn as a society to understand ourselves as a single people, who are all in this together, then none of these faceted political/policy strategies will have any traction in the long-run. The progressives will win a few battles here and there, but they'll keep losing the war. And we'll continue to fall behind nations that manage to rally themselves as a whole.

  • White affirmative action
  • Posted by Patrick Mattimore , Teacher on November 10, 2006 at 10:55am EST
  • Which racial group benefits the most from affirmative action (AA) in admissions to the nation’s universities? Answer: Caucasians. Even in California, where the use of race in admissions has been banned at our public universities for ten years since the passage of Proposition 209, whites get overwhelming preferences at both our public and private colleges and universities.

    In a provocative new book, “The Price of Admission,” Daniel Golden, a Pulitzer Prize- winning reporter for the Wall Street Journal, blows the door off traditional notions about AA and explains how whites benefit from relaxed admissions standards.

    Take legacy preferences for example. Legacies are sons and daughters of alumni. Many highly competitive colleges that accept less than 20% of their applicants accept legacies at three and four times the rate of their general acceptance pool. At Notre Dame for example, nearly one quarter of the entire student body is a legacy.

    Typically, legacies have lower GPA’s and standardized test scores than unhooked applicants- students without an AA edge. The vast majority of legacies at competitive colleges are white.

    Another back door admissions’ loophole for predominantly white students is Title IX. It is a myth that most of the recruited athletes who benefit from lower admissions’ standards are minorities. Title IX, passed in 1972, has propelled women’s sports onto a national stage. Because of the law’s mandate, colleges now must field teams in many “minor” women’s sports because of a proportionality requirement in the law. Only private schools or well-to-do public high schools field teams in non-traditional sports such as girl’s lacrosse, squash, water polo, sailing, skiing, fencing, equestrian events, crew and the like. Hence, the beneficiaries of relaxed admissions’ standards for those sports are frequently white kids.

    The sons and daughters of the rich and famous are another largely white applicant group that slide beneath the high bar set for non-privileged applicants. Golden cites a long-standing program at Duke University and other colleges where rich kids, referred to in admission’s vernacular as development cases, receive special consideration. The idea is that the students’ rich parents will contribute substantial sums of money to the college once the child enrolls. Children who have famous parents are admitted to prestigious universities such as Brown with substandard credentials as well.

    Professors’ progeny, another group of applicants that is overwhelmingly white, are extended admissions’ preferences too.

    Golden estimates that students who receive no AA push -unconnected or unhooked applicants- must vie for only 40% of admissions’ slots at competitive universities. The other 60% of admissions are divvied among AA applicants. The GPA’s and SAT scores of the unhooked applicants must be much higher than the colleges’ overall averages, since those numbers are deflated by the AA admits.

    Many AA preferences, such as the professor perk and Title IX athlete track, are available at public universities, such as the University of California. The larger context is that the underground old boy AA network should be included in any discussion about affirmative action generally. We must begin to understand AA less myopically and recognize the de facto post Proposition 209 reality: Our system unfairly favors rich, white kids.

  • My facile, misleading reality...
  • Posted by MnZ on November 10, 2006 at 10:55am EST
  • Unapologetically Tenured said:
    "[T]hey simply enjoy making facile and misleading statements about how race-based affirmative action favors Colin Powell’s kids at the expense of poor white kids from Appalachia."

    I went to a state university that had a generous state-funded scholarship system to increase the number of "underrepresented" groups on campus. Personally, I knew of two beneficiaries:
    (1) An extremely smart (but poor) white student from Appalachia.
    (2) A smart classmate at my high school who was a minority and the son of a successful businessman. (His parents bought him a new car at a cost almost equal to 4 years of tuition, room, & board.)

    I also knew some students who were poorer than (1) but smarter than (2) that did not receive such generous scholarships. Those students were not from "underrepresented" groups. Instead, they grew up in trailer parks, had alcoholic parents, and/or were children of broken homes. They were taking out loans, working part-time, and pinching pennies to get themselves through college. Unfortunately, some washed out.

    Eventually, the state government cut funding for the scholarship program with the expected recriminations from the administration of the university. Of course, the university administration never bothered to think that their mismanagement of the scholarship program might have led to its demise.

  • Posted by Matthew , student at Columbia on November 10, 2006 at 10:55am EST
  • "But as a whole, Michigan voters could hardly be written off as right-wing, racist and sexist yahoos."

    This sentence is the worst kind of partisan. Implying that conservatives are racist and sexist yahoos is on the same level as saying that liberals hate America.

    This kind of condescending language explains a lot about why supporters of affirmative action sometimes have difficulty making their case.

  • A Quick Response and a Comment on ACTA's Gloating
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on November 10, 2006 at 11:45am EST
  • MnZ says: "Personally, I knew of two beneficiaries:(1) An extremely smart (but poor) white student from Appalachia.(2) A smart classmate at my high school who was a minority and the son of a successful businessman."

    Well, I guess that just proves me wrong, then, doesn't it? Enough with the anecdotal evidence, already.

    While I'm here, let me direct those of you who virulently oppose affirmative action to the latest post on the ACTA blog, gloating about the passage of the "MCRI" in Michigan. After quoting approvingly from Roger Clegg of the Orwellian-labeled Center for Equal Opportunity, the blogger adds:

    "[University of Michigan President Mary Sue] Coleman is right that diversity is essential to a great university--but perhaps now she can focus her attention on the kinds of diversity that are ultimately more germane than skin color or sex to creating vibrant intellectual communities: intellectual diversity, philosophical diversity, and political diversity."

    So I guess ACTA's message is that the underrepresentation of African Americans, Latinos, and women in the academy should be considered a far less serious concern than the (alleged) underrepresentation of right-wingers. Of course, ACTA doesn't want affirmative action for conservatives. No sir! They just want us to hire more of them or else they'll run off and complain to alumni, trustees, and state legislators, who presumably have the power to enforce "intellectual diversity". And this, of course, is entirely different from affirmative action.

    How far we're come. How far we have to go.

  • Thanks for the benefit of the doubt
  • Posted by Samwise on November 10, 2006 at 12:00pm EST
  • Conservatives oppose racial discrimination because the want to keep minorities in their place? Conservatives who say that they support income-based assistance are "bluffing?"

    I offer the following criticism of the commentary here. A person who thinks that their opinions are so self-evident that anyone who disagrees must do so out of malevolence, has reached the very height of arrogance and intolerance.

  • Posted by Jim Blyler , Director at SEEdSAM on November 10, 2006 at 1:25pm EST
  • Yes, it's time to recognize that there is a "Good 'ol Boy" syndrome and its built in class system across most of America. Even the elite are inclined to look down upon others, as well.
    My personal strategy: I served in the military, received the GI Bill and used it for my college education. It worked for me and many millions of others. But, I'll concede it would probably be more difficult in today's more readily defined class systems.
    Jim Blyler, Director
    SEEdSAM (SE Educators for Science And Math)
    (SEEdSAM.org)

  • Posted by New Wrinkle on November 10, 2006 at 1:25pm EST
  • Is there a concealed misogyny in this recurring attack on legacies a time when about 3/5 of undergraduates are female and these women and their children would be most affected by the end of legacy admits?

  • HEY HEY HO HO, Identity poltics has got to go!
  • Posted by No to Identity Politics , Math Teacher on November 10, 2006 at 4:00pm EST
  • Are minority students capable of earning college admission without preferential treatment? Of course they are. What's keeping them from entering without having to racially discriminate against White or Asian students? Is it that our college admissions officers are horribly racist and won't let them in? Of course not.

    It's true that if race was not used as a factor in admissions then many minorities would not be admitted. AA supportes never go into why that is the case (other than the belief that it must always be the result of racism; lifestyle choices must not mean much to them). Denied admissions always go back to substandard academic achievement in high school. The dropout rates among minorities (except for Asian and Arab students)is insanely high. As a high school teacher I have witnessed this and see it is a result of culture, not race.

    America is not crawling with racists ready to stick it to minorities. Where we end up in life is a matter of culture and lifestyle choice, not discrimination.

    I reject the argument that racial diversity is a valid end in and of itself in academics. Scholarship and work ethic are!I earned an undergraduate degree in mathematics. My classes were always of Asian majority and the professors were either White or Asian. I only once shared a math class with a black student. I still learned math and am now teaching it to a racially diverse high school (not that it matters but I thought AA'ers would approve). I ignore race and focus on developing individual minds. I want all my students to excel at logical thinking and reasoning and plan for their futures. I don't want any student to identify themselves by race or believe they have or don't have something to offer solely because of their race. Efforts to keep AA support this type of skin-deep idendity. Kids are witnessing that and model it at school. It's disturbing.

    Also, do AA supporters care about academic achievement? They don't mention it...ever.

  • Question for UT
  • Posted by Victor on November 10, 2006 at 7:15pm EST
  • Unapologetically Tenured, are you white? And if so, aren't you, in your tenured position, occupying a slot that would be better served, for diversity's sake, by a minority?

    Or, do you feel that you need to keep your position because you can further the cause better than any minority could?

    Like Scalia observed of students supporting state-sponsored racism, of course they're for it. They're in already.

  • Time to Step Up
  • Posted by Michigan Law Student on November 10, 2006 at 7:20pm EST
  • Why do supporters of affirmative action always choose to look at its effects on the macro level?

    If you look at it on the individual level, it's effects are huge-- life altering.

    Just about everyone agrees that it would be nice to have more minority representation in elite institutions. The question is: who is going to be forced to bear the cost for this?

    Will affirmative action supporters -- say, for example, tenured professors -- now give up their positions in favor of more minority faculty members voluntarily?

    Or are these people only comfortable when others are forced to bear this burden for them?

    Come on AA supporters! Now is the time to step up and show how much you value diversity!

  • Response
  • Posted by Jonathan Cohen on November 10, 2006 at 7:30pm EST
  • One of the earlier commenters has decided that opponents of affirmative action should not use the quote from Martin Luther King's about wanting to be judged by "the content of our character".

    Why not? When the speech was made, nobody who was involved in the civil rights movement could possibly have envisioned the future. The comment was simply a statement that was central to the opposition to 350 years of racial tyranny; two hundred and fifty years of slavery and one hundred years of legal segregation. People should not be discriminated against because of the color of their skin. It was not some clever phrase invented by Martin Luther King. It was the central purpose of the entire struggle.

    Obviously affirmative action is not simply the mirror image of what came before with whites suddenly the victims and blacks on top. It would be ridiculous to claim that. But what is not ridiculous is that after spending hundreds of years and untold sacrifice to get the principle of color blindness enshrined into law, it may have been foolish and short-sighted to throw away the principle because it would now aid a more deserving class of beneficiaries. In the long run, rescuing the principle of racial favoritism, no matter how noble the purpose, may prove to have been a terrible blunder since it can just as easily be turned around at some future time and used by the majority against the minority.

    The fourteenth and fifteenth amendments and the civil rights acts of 1964 and the voting rights acts of 1965 demanded racial neutrality as a way to protect minority rights. Compromising the racial neutrality in these laws can make it much more difficult in the future to use the laws to protect minorities against discrimination.

    College admissions is not an exact science. There is no total ordering of the sets of applicants. Schools will always have tremendous leeway in how they choose to admit people. Schools can still continue to recruit and finance the education of minority and low income students.

    Here are some suggestions. Take the millions of dollars that are spent on the salaries of vice presidents for diversity and associate vice presidents for multiculturalism and their staffs and their activities and put the money into academic support to help students with poorer preparation actually succeed in college. Academic tutoring and smaller class sizes do a lot more good than paying administrators $200,000+ a year lecuring everyone about how committed they are to diversity.

    And it would certainly help to lose some of the self-righteousness towards the people of the state of Michigan who voted to ban affirmative action. It sure doesn't help the cause to have a college president who is making well into the six figures lecturing policemen, firemen, postal workers, assembly line workers and the like about how ignorant and racist they are because they want their children to have an equal chance to get in to the top university in the University of Michigan system.

  • It's Bumper Sticker Time
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on November 10, 2006 at 10:00pm EST
  • So now we're reduced to arguments worthy of bad radio talk shows:

    "Unapologetically Tenured, are you white? And if so, aren’t you, in your tenured position, occupying a slot that would be better served, for diversity’s sake, by a minority?"

    "Will affirmative action supporters — say, for example, tenured professors — now give up their positions in favor of more minority faculty members voluntarily?"

    *Yawn*

    These correspondents, who must be reading from the same hackneyed playbook, unwittingly show their hands in their efforts to be clever. Contrary to what they may think, affirmative action doesn't mean that every white male is going to be replaced by a member of an underrepresented group. So their question is a rather silly one.

    I'm here anonymously, so let's not make this about me. Let's just say that most tenured white males in the academy today got their positions during the era of affirmative action. That is, for all the scare talk about anti-white-male discrimination, they managed to land jobs in an atmosphere in which women and minority group members were given preference.

    And isn't that the point? Despite all the scare stories, qualified white males still get jobs (lots of them) in an affirmative action world. The thing is, other people now get jobs as well, and that's a good thing. Really.

    Prof. Cohen: I am not worthy to speak for Dr. King, but I think he would argue that legal "colorblindness" would mean nothing if de facto discrimination remained rampant.

  • Afirmative Action and The Left
  • Posted by Garnett , Racists come in all colors on November 10, 2006 at 10:00pm EST
  • Leftists are never 100% honest concerning their goals and aganda, not with their opponets or themselves. They use terms like racism, and fascism like a rubber stamp for what ever program or agenda they desire. The problem is not the good intentions but it is the reality of the outcome, which is a double standard of racism and fascism. As they march forward with their good intentions they are harmimg the African American people, my people, who are looking for leadership and only find handouts. Give my people their pride, black Americans do not need lesser standards- lesser competition- or lesser expection; they do need the right and freedom to be Americans, not Africans then Americans but Americans, they need to be held to the same standard as all all Americans if they are to be truly equal.

  • Posted by Marvin McConoughey on November 11, 2006 at 12:10pm EST
  • I just want to thank each commentator for enriching my understanding of the contending arguments. I would have liked to seen more solution-centered discussion, but that may lie in the future. One place where diversity is alive and well is in the individual family. I can see large disparities in the incomes within my own extended family, and so can many others, though not all. If we were to learn more about why siblings vary so much in their outcomes, we might gain some insight into how to address the more complex problems of our racial history and the need to define fair treatment.

  • *Yawn* = "There's no good answer"
  • Posted by Victor on November 11, 2006 at 4:00pm EST
  • Tenured, I'd love to see you answer that question. You can't. Dry to deflect it or deride it all you want, but it's a fundamental question here. Why is AA good for everyone else, but not for people who might want your job?

  • Posted by andy on November 11, 2006 at 4:00pm EST
  • The goal of education is human resource development. Human resource development is not just for the so-called "meritorious" of us. It is utterly ridiculous to think that any black student with 1200 on the SAT is "unqualified" to attend Michigan for human resource development. i am so sick of tired of white privilege and entitlement. They want to set the bar, control the purse-strings so that "their" money does not go to pay for better schools for "those" kids, then say that "those" kids and their families chose a lifestyle that prohibited the kids from scoring 1500 on the SAT. Amazing. I'm all for high standards for minorities but this is not about standards-this is about the opportunity to reach those standards and the opportunities are grossly unequal in this country. And when opportunities are provided, it makes a world of difference. My black grandfather was illiterate, my father, the first in family to go to college, became a pharmacist. Four of his six children are college grads, including one PhD, MD, and MBA. Our children are now in college. See how one man's education made a difference for generations to follow? If people really want this world to change, they need to be realistic-test scores and gpas do not tell the whole story of potential for all students. Public universities owe it to the "public," including promising students of color who did not score 1500, to provide them with the opportunities to make a difference in their families and in this country.

  • Posted by SB on November 11, 2006 at 6:10pm EST
  • “MnZ says: “Personally, I knew of two beneficiaries:(1) An extremely smart (but poor) white student from Appalachia.(2) A smart classmate at my high school who was a minority and the son of a successful businessman.”

    Well, I guess that just proves me wrong, then, doesn’t it? Enough with the anecdotal evidence, already.”

    Anecdotes are better than guesses, which is all you're offering here. Do you actually interact with a single conservative or just piece your information together from rumors?

  • What would really make a difference
  • Posted by Jerry on November 12, 2006 at 12:20am EST
  • One good thing about my neighborhood is that it is integrated economically. We have many millionaires and we also have people with modest jobs and even homeless people. One good quality of our neighborhood is that its safe for kids to go to school here. They can concentrate on their schoolwork without being bothered by drugdealers or robbers. On the other hand, I have to admit that the millionaires don't send their own kids to school here. The schools are not the worse, but they're not the best either. Firstly, kids shouldn't be punished because their parents are poor. Secondly, if the children of the poor are not educated, it hurts all of society. We are not optimizing the use of a great national resource when we really need to be doing so.

  • Responses
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on November 12, 2006 at 12:20am EST
  • Victor checks in with a question for me:

    "Why is AA good for everyone else, but not for people who might want your job?"

    Well, Vic, as the lawyers like to say, "Asked and answered". Please re-read my post above. But just to summarize:

    1. Affirmative action is not a policy under which all white males lose their jobs to women and people of color.

    2. Any white male under, say, 60 years old (which may or may not describe me) almost certainly got his job at an institution that practiced affirmative action. Thus, affirmative action is, to use your word, "good" for them, too.

    Even under the most "extreme" affirmative action plan, plenty of white guys succeed. Why is that so difficult to understand?

    SB chimes in with the following: "Anecdotes are better than guesses, which is all you’re offering here. Do you actually interact with a single conservative or just piece your information together from rumors?"

    Well, first of all anecdotes are not at all better than (uneducated) guesses. They are both worth essentially nothing. Second, I am not simply guessing. As you may or may not be aware, other states banned affirmative action before Michigan got into the act. And in fact, the elite schools in California and Texas (e.g., Berkeley and UT) did experience a drop-off in minority enrollments after affirmative action was outlawed, and no evidence was produced that this benefited poor white kids from Appalachia, Yreka, or Waxahachie. So I'm not just "guessing".

    Finally, a response to Professor Cohen, who said:

    "It sure doesn’t help the cause to have a college president who is making well into the six figures lecturing policemen, firemen, postal workers, assembly line workers and the like about how ignorant and racist they are because they want their children to have an equal chance to get in to the top university in the University of Michigan system."

    1. Do you have any evidence that President Coleman has been accusing "policemen, firemen, postal workers, assembly line workers and the like" of being ignorant and racist?

    2. Do you really think that the elimination of affirmative action at Michigan is going to benefit working class white kids, as opposed to the children of the upper-middle class?

  • Posted by Unapologetically Tedious on November 12, 2006 at 5:35am EST
  • "white parents who pull their kids out of public schools the moment the minority population exceeds a certain threshold."

    - HEY HEY, HO HO, WHITE PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO GO!

    "People have the idea...that affirmative action has a significant impact on their own (white) child’s chance of getting into college/law school/med school, etc."

    - White people are lying when they say they value equality.

    Someone once developed a great analogy between affirmative action and parking spaces for the disabled at the mall.

    - Blacks and hispanics are academically handicapped.

    "folks, can you do me—and historical accuracy—at least one favor? Stop using Dr. King’s line about the “content of our character".

    - It's really embarassing for us to have our betrayal of the civil rights movement broadcasted and we have no coherent response to an attack like that.

    "ACTA’s message is that the underrepresentation of African Americans, Latinos, and women in the academy should be considered a far less serious concern than the (alleged) underrepresentation of right-wingers."

    - Diversity must remain skin deep.

    "Contrary to what they may think, affirmative action doesn’t mean that every white male is going to be replaced by a member of an underrepresented group."

    - A little discrimination is ok, right?

    "most tenured white males in the academy today got their positions during the era of affirmative action. That is, for all the scare talk about anti-white-male discrimination, they managed to land jobs in an atmosphere in which women and minority group members were given preference."

    - Discrimination is good for white males too. It's WIN-WIN!

    "Despite all the scare stories, qualified white males still get jobs (lots of them) in an affirmative action world."

    - Again, a little discrimination is always ok. (We get it!)

    "Affirmative action is not a policy under which all white males lose their jobs to women and people of color."

    - WE GET IT! DISCRIMINATION=GOOD, EQUALITY=BAD

  • Posted by SB on November 12, 2006 at 5:35am EST
  • When you write this:

    "Faced with the current political climate, the author has a good point: it is time to call the right wing on its bluff about supporting class-based affirmative action. My guess is that few conservatives truly support such an idea, they simply enjoy making facile and misleading statements about how race-based affirmative action favors Colin Powell’s kids at the expense of poor white kids from Appalachia."

    You are guessing. You're guessing because you have about as much interaction with actual conservatives as I have with the Keebler Elves. If you didn't need to guess, you'd know that Texas, obviously a very conervative state, passed the top ten percent law immediately after the court banned affirmative action in the state.

    The law granted people in the top ten percent of public schools admission into the state's flagship schools, no matter what the quality of the school. This allowed more people from poor schools to attend. This happened while George Bush was governor.

    Minority enrollment at those schools is now back to where it was before Hopwood. That's the case today, despite the fact those schools still no longer use affirmative action.

  • Bad Faith
  • Posted by Kathryn on November 12, 2006 at 9:15am EST
  • If the principle you declare here is to give underrepresented minorities professional opportunities based on their race, ethnicity, or sex, you should be happy to step down from your tenured position for the cause. How is your own job exempt from the principle you proclaim? Isn't it vital -- on your own logic -- to see minorities tenured and making academic policy?

    There are relavtively few tenured positions to go around. Further, there are overwhelming numbers of white males tenured in the colleges and universities, and you are taking a privileged position away from oppressed minorities that could be used -- on your own logic -- to effect profound social change.

    But you are not willing to bring about this reform -- at least not if you yourself lose anything by doing so. Your goals are clearly quite other. If you yourself are unwilling to act on your stated principles with respect to your own job, you cannot legitimately demand that anyone else be sacrificed in your stead. You do not have rights that everyone else does not equally have.

  • Responses to the Serious and the Unserious
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on November 12, 2006 at 9:15am EST
  • Mr. Tedious: It doesn't usually take this long for buffoonish comments to start showing up on an IHE thread about affirmative action. This time, however, it took two whole days. I can only assume that there must have been a Beavis and Butt-head marathon on TV this weekend.

    SB: I'm not sure why it's relevant whether or not I interact with conservatives, but I actually do quite a bit. There are, in fact, conservatives in my very own department with whom I pleasantly interact all the time. I have even debated conservative friends about the merits of affirmative action. I don't think any of these people are racists; I just think they're wrong.

    As for the University of Texas (I notice you had nothing to say about the effects of Prop 209 on diversity at Berkeley), you might not be as up-to-date as you think. Despite your claim that "[Texas] schools still no longer use affirmative action", the truth is that UT-Austin is once again an AA institution, restoring that policy almost as soon as the Supremes overruled Hopwood in the Michigan cases. They presumably did so because the "top ten percent" law was not adequately addressing the campus's diversity goals.

  • Posted by SB on November 12, 2006 at 11:05am EST
  • Tenured, you're wrong on both counts.

    The top ten percent law is still in place and minority enrollment went back up to what it was. Here:

    http://www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2005/11/15/TopStories/Top-10.Law.Ready.For.Next.President-1057565-page3.shtml?norewrite200611120948&sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com

    Read the whole thing - this includes some stuff you'd like re: your view of politics. But not with respect to either of those things.

  • Asked and answered and asked and answered and...
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on November 12, 2006 at 11:05am EST
  • Since Kathryn has seen fit to ask the same question for what I believe is now the fourth time on this thread, I'll take one last swipe at it.

    Assuming I am a white male, I willingly submitted myself to a hiring process in which I was fully aware that underrepresented groups would receive some preference. As an affirmative action supporter, that--and only that--is my obligation. It is quite possible that affirmative action gave an edge (perhaps a decisive edge) to applicants in other job pools for positions that I applied for but did not receive. I am fine with that, too. I am fine with that because I know that these candidates were FULLY QUALIFIED for the jobs they received, and that many made it to that point despite obstacles that most of us never experience.

    The idea that we can define "merit" so precisely that we can know the exact ranking of qualified candidates for any position/law school slot, etc. is absurd (and let's not pretend that there's any real precision to test scores and GPAs). The idea that diversity can only be achieved when every white male surrenders his position is even sillier. Really, folks, if that's the best you can do, just concede the point and move on.

    BTW, my earlier comment about UT reinstituting affirmative action after the Michigan cases came out is based on a statement by then-President Faulkner promising to do so. I will admit that I haven't kept up with the degree to which Faulkner's promise has been implemented since then.

  • Questions for AA supporters
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tedious on November 12, 2006 at 3:40pm EST
  • "The idea that we can define “merit” so precisely that we can know the exact ranking of qualified candidates for any position/law school slot, etc. is absurd"

    -Fair enough but when there's so many other meritorious aspects of a person to consider (musical/artistic talent, athletic ability and academic achievement) why do you so adamantly support giving preferences based on skin color and ignore aspects that would actually help define a person?

    -Having said that, statistics tell us that most blacks and hispanics admitted under AA help would not be admitted without it. You say it's racism, I say it's culture and lifestyle choice. Blacks and hispanics are not "buying into" education like most whites and asians do. Why don't you encourage minorities to take part in education in their primary and secondary years as opposed to just higher ed? Start at the bottom of education and follow them up instead of demanding equal treatment at only the top of the pyramid (after any chance at helping them achieve the same, basic academic knowledge as whites and asians has passed).

    -Also, I must ask why are asians excluded from benefiting from AA? They come in smaller numbers than blacks and hispanics so wouldn't diversity zealots see them as a top prize to be won? Well they would be if they would stop being so successful and earning admission on their own merit. It's hard to argue racism is rampant in the face of asian achievement in this great country so don't hold your breath waiting for a progressive to mention them...ever!

    -When is enough, enough? Give us supporters of "equal treatment under the law" a sign or number to watch out for so we'll know when diversity has been achieved and you will be ready to stop racially discriminating.

    -Do you support AA in corporate America? Maybe the NBA could open its doors to more whites in the name of diversity? I'm a 5'11" white, math teacher. I would bring more diversity than they could handle I'm sure.

    -Why are professors who support AA usually from the softer sciences? Just kidding! We all know the answer to that but I want them to know how difficult it is for us to teach kids who don't have a basic education and have been admitted before they were ready to learn. In History, I can sleep during a lecture on World War 2, wakeup and be ready to learn about Vietnam without a problem. In math, I can't learn calculus unless I know algebra first. Students who are admitted to college without solid credentials are put in situations like these when racial diversity is prized about academics and achievement.

  • Posted by JT on November 13, 2006 at 10:30am EST
  • We have spent the last 50+ years telling members of our society that it is wrong to judge other people by their race.

    Maybe, the voters were not racists. Maybe they have been listening. How do you support programs which classify people by race, when that is supposed to be wrong?