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December 18, 2006

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An undergraduate student in my sophomore-level course has been periodically checking in with me during the semester about her class work. When she received a failing grade on her last out-of-class essay, she e-mailed me a complaint. I indicated that the paper had been a 70 percent or a C before I had to grade it down for being more than 500 words short of the required length -- in effect, her work had shown improvement, if only she had followed the minimum word or page count as indicated on the syllabus. Frustrated, she responded that she didn't know how to make her essay longer. I made a few suggestions, indicating that this was what we had been going over in class during these last six or eight weeks, and asked her to meet with me in person for help and clarification.

When she met me in my office the next day, she launched into a long list of vague complaints: that she should be doing better, that she'd gotten better than a C in high school, that a lot of what I was teaching seemed too difficult, and that she didn't see how her work was not a B level. When I asked her to be specific, she pulled out her last out-of-class essay, pointed to one of my comments and asked, "So, what's a single, unified, 'open' thesis statement?"

Dumbfounded, I realized that my student hadn't been able to comprehend simple, core concepts that had been reviewed many, many times in this course not only through lecture, but also with hands-on exercises that incorporated immediate feedback and a chance to rewrite. In theory, students were also required to understand this core concept as well as others in order to be passed in the course that preceded mine.

After explaining the concepts behind my comments, I gently asked, "Have you ever been tested for a learning disability?" Shocked, she mumbled something about never having such a difficult instructor before and that she didn't see why she would need to be tested. I replied, "Well, it just seems smart to rule out that possibility so we can focus on alternate methods to help you get this information more thoroughly." Listless, she folded up her paper, stuffed it into her backpack and mumbled something about having another appointment.

That evening, I received an e-mail message from the student, indicating that she had consulted a lawyer. Her reasons? Not only was I too hard in grading her work, but I had also insulted her by asking if she'd ever been tested for a learning disability.

I started to collect information about the process of referral to find that there is an interesting "gray area" that not only puts our professors at risk, but leave students who are suffering with undiagnosed disabilities in a state of confusion, unable to get help.

In short, although my university has many, many clear policies and procedures about what to do once a student has declared him or herself disabled, there are absolutely no guidelines for instructors who believe they might have a student in their classroom who exhibits signs of a learning disability.

In the case of my sophomore student, although she was passing with a C, she had always performed poorly in the classroom. Sometimes late, she always seemed disorganized and unable to collect her thoughts. The few times I called on her, she responded, "I don't know" -- no matter how many times I restated or simplified the question. Even if the textbook was in front of her, her eyes did not seem to focus on the area that we were studying, even if I held up my book up to the class with the area in question highlighted. During group work, she seemed to "ride on" other students' well thought out ideas-her participation limited to off-topic comments and whispered conversations about her personal life.

I wish I had linked these behaviors in my mind and alerted her sooner to the possibility of an undiagnosed learning disorder. I think I was distracted by her visits to my office; this seemed to indicate motivation on her part. If I had been sharper, or better trained in recognizing learning disabilities, I might have realized that professor-student conferences motivated by poor grades do not rule out underlying problems. Although it is heartening that this student could sense that she was not doing as well as she wanted, I hadn't yet been able to see that her inability to recognize areas that needed improvement and take suggestion was crippling her academic progress.

Her papers also fell short in every area: mechanics, structure, content and logic. No matter how much she revised these essays, her ability to produce sound writing was never realized. And with a university with very low admissions standards, a large percentage of my undergraduates equate time with grades. The ones who are willing to make the effort to improve their work often feel frustrated. Even when they spend hours reworking a major project, their final grade may not rate an A. In an instructor's mind, it simply is not A level work. At times I wonder if the high schools here are rewarding students for effort more so than the final product. Students coming out of these weak systems often think, "lots of effort equals an A" -- no matter how much their final work produced falls short of the grading rubric outlined and reviewed in core classes.

I sometimes combat this by making past student work available for current classes (with permission from the original authors, of course). Students are often shocked to see what garners an A or B in my course. Faced with an example that is far superior to their own work, they realize that the rubric does apply to their work-and the less than perfect grades are not to punish, but to motivate them to learn techniques and apply concepts that we've worked on all semester to produce a better end result.

After talking with my department chair, head of disabilities, compliance officer for the Americans With Disabilities Act, and the student's academic advisor, I've been told that as long as my intent was to help the student, I'm not at risk -- and the university will support my concern as stated. There is, however, an interesting implication here. I suppose that somewhere, at some college, a professor has referred a student to the disabilities office with the hope of pressuring the student to withdraw his or her request for a grade review -- but I have a difficult time imagining this. The idea that a professor would take something as difficult (and potentially embarrassing for the student) and use it against a student is shocking. I am hoping that my university is simply trying to avoid litigation and that this stance is not based on experience.

I will say that once identified, every university and community college I have worked for has done a wonderful job of supporting disabled students. After receiving documentation from the disabilities office on how to accommodate a student, I, like my colleagues, have always complied with enthusiasm. In one case, a student with low-vision needed to work at a front desk and used special lenses to see; I included her in projects without making her the topic of conversation. In one case, a student needed to bring her seeing-eye dog in class. Not only did I resist petting or distracting her service animal, but also made sure that she received all class lecture notes and learning materials in a format that she could review after class. We also scheduled a series of in-person consultations so she could review concepts integral to her success.

This semester, I have two students with learning disabilities in one of my sophomore-level English composition class. So that they are not "identified" in class as different, I not only make assignments available outside of class, but have created a two-tier system for specific work. They start timed writing assignments in class, I collect them as I do all student work, and then bring their materials to a private room in our academic skills center for completion. In some cases, they opt simply to do work privately outside the classroom, but this technique allows them to work alongside other students while in class. As they hand in materials, they enjoy swapping good-hearted complaints with other students, knowing that they will not be identified as "different" or "special" -- and know that their learning difficulty will not penalize their success in the class.

I recognize that some students feel stigmatized by their learning disability. Last year, I received a call from the father of a freshman student who was having difficulty in my class. Although I could not give his parent any information about his progress, the father shared with me that his son had been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder -- which explained the 20-year-old's inability to focus in class, his tardiness, and ultimately his lack of attendance during the midterm.

I told the father that if his son could contact the disabilities office on campus, I could do much to him succeed in my course. When he indicated that his son was embarrassed to go to the disabilities office on campus, I suggested that the student simply bring me a letter from a doctor indicating his condition and what accommodations needed to be made. With the parade of students passing by my podium with excuses, questions and written notes from doctors and dentists, this would hardly be out of place. I even offered my address and e-mail information in case the student wanted the doctor to contact me directly. Still, the son resisted.

During a private professor-student conference in my office, the student simply told me that he couldn't deal with his disability. He hated being different. Even worse, he hated being treated differently in or outside of class. It was a heartbreaking case for everyone involved. In the end, I had to record a failing grade for this student. His father later called and thanked me for my efforts. I couldn't help but feel that I needed to do more.

I recently completed an online course on identifying different forms of disabilities. After reading through pages of information and examples, I finished a post-test to see what I had retained. Although I scored above 95 percent, I realized that on-paper learning and the ability to put into practice what I found out will be the real test. My hope is that I'll continue to make it possible for students with learning disabilities to succeed without making them feel plucked out of the crowd. And in a perfect world, the campuses where I work will help me draw the line between waiting for a student to identify a possible disability when it may be too late to recapture the learning experience, and the time when it may be appropriate for me to gently ask a leading question-with the intention of doing all I can to insure success not only in my course, but courses to come.

Shari Wilson, who writes Nomad Scholar under a pseudonym, explores life off the tenure track.

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Comments on A Difficult Referral

  • how do we know if they have learning disabilities?
  • Posted by k judd on December 18, 2006 at 9:40am EST
  • I'd be interested in resources to figuring out by myself who might have such problems; an online course probably costs too much, but maybe one person in my dept. could take it.

    I teach English at a community college with very limited resources (no testing, "more time" being the only accomodation except for those who need note-takers or special reading magnification equipment). Instructors wonder how many of our students actually have such problems. I ask "Did you have an IEP in high school?" or "Do you know Ms. Ford? (our special needs advisor) or "Did you get special help in high school?" Students are often unwilling to share this info despite my tactful inquiries.

  • Identifying a learning disability
  • Posted by John Laurence Miller, Ph.D. at Westchester Institute for Human Development on December 18, 2006 at 10:45am EST
  • I am a professional psychologist, and specialist in learning problems. I have a few reactions to your very informative account of your experience with this student.

    1. As you point out, diagnosing a learning disability in practice can be tricky. The evidence that you present is consistent with a diagnosis of a learning disability -- but it is also consistent with other possible explanations. (e.g. significant life stress such as an illness of a family member, certain kinds of cultural disadvantage, a major psychiatric illness such as depression, perhaps even hearing loss)

    2. It it humane, appropriate and responsible for a conscientious instructor to inform a student if he or she feels that the student shows signs of an unusual problem mastering course content. If I were the instructor, I would mention that I was concerned about there perhaps being a serious problem and suggest that the student may want to contact his or her family doctor or perhaps the college's counseling center to investigate.

    3. But I would *not* specifically suggest a learning disability or any other clinical diagnosis. (Suggesting this or some other label may be harmful to the student; also you might have the wrong label.)

    I invite readers interested the topic of learning problems to read the chapter on this topic in my recent book *Mind Magic*.

  • my approach
  • Posted by Jody on December 18, 2006 at 11:25am EST
  • The community college where I teach have a standard syllabus policy statement that all instructors are to have in their syllabi. When I go over the syllabus (yes, I take time to go over the entire thing), I stress the importance that IF they have EVER received services, they are still eligible to do so at the college level. However, whereas in elementary/middle/high school it is the school's responsibility to initiate support, at the college level it is the student's responsibility to contact the correct office. We have had it stressed to us over and over that special arrangements cannot be made unless substantiated (if you do for one...must do for all), so I make sure they understand that I have to have documentation from student services before I can help them. Recently I had a non-traditional student with a vision issue...great student but it really would have helped to know his limitations so that I could have adjusted activities (computer lab).

    I appreciated this article and the response regarding suggesting a visit to a doctor etc rather than using a label.

  • A difficult referral
  • Posted by Lori Colchagoff , Directir, Disability Services at The University of Findlay on December 18, 2006 at 12:10pm EST
  • Hi! I would suggest creating a questionaire that asks about High School performance? Any subject they have struggled with? Have them list their strengths/weakness? How do they feel they learn best? This could be a start for a 1:1 meeting between you & the student.
    Just a quick idea to get you started. Goodluck, Lori Colchagoff

  • Addressing Learning disabilities
  • Posted by alexandria dejesus on December 18, 2006 at 12:10pm EST
  • Having taught General Psychology in Lecture format for over 12 years, I understand the concerns on behalf of the students that are not privi to the knowledge that one or several students cannot manage the course.
    Our position as instructor/professor is to maintain academic integrity by demonstrating academic empathy for those students that cannot fully comprehend the information given them in the course. However, we cannot interpret who may be learning disabled nor label the individual as such. Our position as instructor/professor is to challenge our students to investigate their academic needs by awarding the tool of critique for their work and offering them the necessary channels such as the student learning center in order for them to experience academic growth.

  • Don't jump to conclusions
  • Posted by Sherman Dorn , Associate Professor at University of South Florida on December 18, 2006 at 12:35pm EST
  • As other commenters have noted, faculty are not well-placed to make any diagnosis. In general, when I see some serious problems, I suggest to the student several possible causes or next steps. They're adults, and in the end anything that happens to help them needs to have their buy-in.

  • Sorry, Professor Wilson, but you were wrong
  • Posted by IM Skeptical on December 18, 2006 at 1:30pm EST
  • I find the analysis by Professor Wilson that lies at the heart of this article troubling and self-serving. It amounts to: You didn't learn what I "taught" so there must be something wrong with you, and it must be "inherent" to you. I can think of many, many reasons why this student might be struggling and about half of them have to do with the instructor. This label, like all LD labels-intentionally or not-exculpates instructors, schools, parents and even students themselves from responsibility from creating effective teaching-learning interactions. The problem becomes outside of everyone's control, so noone feels bad. But what are the long-term consequences of being labeled LD? How are LD labels applied disproportionately in our society?

    From what was recounted of the interaction, I see no reason to suspect a learning disability. One key feature of "diagnosis" is to compare students' performance in one situation to that of another. We have little information about this, but apparently the student performed adequately in high school. If this student is performing adequately in other courses, then an LD diagnosis is not indicated. At least in theory. Having said that, I see the LD label used on my campus by students and the institution in ways that are unreflective and even manipulative. The medicalization of psychology and the reliance--for insurance purposes--on that book of hokum, the DSM IV, only make matters worse.

    When in a position of authority acting as a professional we professors have the responsibility not only to give good guidance, but to give none when we lack expertise. Professor Wilson--though well intentioned-- unluckily and inappropriately, in my view, gave poor uniformed advice to an apparently litigious student and suffered the consequeneces. But hers is a useful cautionary tale not to drag out the LD canard whenever it serves our interests. As teachers our obligation is not merely to teach curriculum and point out to students who haven't learned what we wanted that we have done so (as Professor Wilson did), but rather to teach STUDENTS and exhaust as many reasonable ways to help students learn before sending students away.

    Instead of being nonplussed that the student didn't learn what she wanted in class, why didn't Professor Wilson use her time with the student to explore new ways of teaching the concepts in question?

  • From the parent's side
  • Posted by PSD , parent of an LD student on December 18, 2006 at 2:25pm EST
  • In reading the comments of the author and the subsequent posters, I can only say that as a parent I thank Dr. Wilson for her sensitivity in approaching the student as she did. Many LD kids struggle through high school undiagnosed because of myriad factors. If anything, it's sad that these kids weren't diagnosed earlier. And if there wasn't such stigma attached to being "different," they probably would have been. Luckily for my son, his problems are so severe that he was diagnosed very early. And frankly, I have little patience for the "bad teaching" label that several of you tossed so easily at Prof. Wilson. I'm sure she had enough to do without teasing out a treatment plan for each student who may have learning disabilities. The fact is, the Special Services staff at the college are the ones to come up with solutions--the professor's job is to institute them so that the student CAN learn.

  • undiagnosed L.D.
  • Posted by Michael Shaughnessy , Professor on December 18, 2006 at 4:05pm EST
  • I have read all of the comments and the excellent article on " A Difficult Referral" I believe that all of the individuals made very salient, correct points. I think faculty are faced with some difficult scenarios. Some students do not self-refer to the office of students with disabilities, and still others have " fallen through the proverbial cracks". While the schools often do a good job of identifying students with reading, spelling and math problems, they do not do as well in terms of learning disabilties in reading.
    Further in terms of the description offered, my mind went to " attention deficit disorder" and I am aware that many students on my campus have been diagnosed with ADD and are on medication for this. I would like to close with one story that really caused some concern. A graduate student arrived indicating that she anticipating trouble with writing. Apparently, she had "clepped" her basic English courses, and taken only classes that involved multiple choice tests. Long story short- she had never written a sentence in any class during her college experience. Her peers were her "advisors" and they " assisted " her with her "weakness". Did she have a "learning disability" in writing? She was certainly weak in this area. Again, I applaud all of the comments and feel that all have a point and this arena must be addressed for clarity in the future. Best for 2007 to all.

  • Posted by Shari Wilson , Nomad Scholar on December 18, 2006 at 4:45pm EST
  • The more sensitive suggestion to visit an academic counseling center is an excellent idea. I will keep that in my academic toolbox. As an contract professor with a tenuous contract, I think the suggestion to see a family doctor may hold too much of a negative connotation with a student. It's safer for me to stay with the more benign counseling center idea.

    One professor friend of mine never uses the term "learning disability" or anything close to it. Instead she simply sends students who seem to be having difficulties to the academic tutoring center. The tutors there, of course, are undergraduate students; they are not trained in any way to identify learning disabilities or even refer students to our counseling center (which has a disabilities component). At the tutoring center, the student who comes for help is given suggestions on how to strengthen their thesis or how to use the correct punctuation in their essay. But the ones with underlying difficulties return to class just as confused; subsequently they may now also be angry that the university's resources (including the tutoring center and their own instructor) has failed them. They still cannot "get" the material -- and there seems to be no one to guide them to one possibility that will avail them of the correct resources and guarantee them success in college.

    In the case of my own student, we went over the same material over and over again in a sequence of individual conferences. Even when I gently asked, "I sense that you're frustrated. Why do you think this seems so difficult?" my student could only respond that she didn't feel "helped" and that if only I could eliminate some of my curriculum, she would receive a better grade. No matter how I switched teaching modes, altered the assignments, or approached a topic, integral information that a hundred other students had received that semester was either not received, or not being communicated on paper or in person. Even when I suggested small, manageable actions on her part, she either did not do them, or did them so poorly that the action was no longer effectively transmitted to a larger group of learned skills. I'm absolutely sure she was frustrated to no end by the assignment to write a structured three-page essay.

    My biggest error? Not referring her to my university's early intervention program. They might have seen the difficulty she was having and referred her to our academic counseling center. Having only been at my university a year, I think I forgot that they offered this service. And I allowed myself to be distracted by what looked to be a show of slow but steady improvement. By midterm, she was actually passing my course. My mistake was in assuming that this meant she had mastered the material. Her question to me (at week 14) indicated that although she could make surface changes to her assignments again and again to comply with my requests, the underlying concepts were escaping her. This was a lesson that I will take with me -- never to assume that the ability to produce work after much revision is an indicator that a student has mastered the core concepts.

    My student later told me that her brother had been diagnosed with a learning disability as a child. Her parents were so devastated at the time that she had been billed as the "normal" child. In school and even in part-time jobs, she felt she simply couldn't admit she was having trouble. Asking for help took an extraordinary amount of effort on her part; one reason she found it easy to work with me is that her parents would never find out that she was having trouble with the material. Other forms of help, including the tutoring center, left a paper trail that made her nervous. She confessed that even the possibility of having a learning disorder scared her -- and she had overreacted. Under the circumstances, my question was appropriate, she said. Finally, she told me that she had made an appointment with a physician and was going to follow up and be tested -- to which I replied, "If anything, just to rule it out the possibility." Nodding, she left my classroom, books in hand.

    I realize that it is rare for a student to get to college with an undiagnosed learning disability. And I certainly understand that I am, in effect, a content specialist who is in no way trained to diagnose students. I still think that asking students who are having more-than-the-usual difficulty with college work to diagnose their problem is a mistake that may have grave consequences. Better for us faculty to rely on the resources available to gently guide students to get the assistance they need.

  • Relax, it is no big deal
  • Posted by Jim , Developmental Psychologist on December 18, 2006 at 4:50pm EST
  • Although teachers in K-12 education have a "seek-and-find" responsibility in identifying and referring students with learning difficulties for possible special education services, college professors have absolutely none. Even if the student does have a learning disability, once an adult, s/he is solely responsible for passing on that info. to the special education office of the school.
    Worse case scenario, a learning disability is an inconvenience for a student that can easily be compensated for by taking better notes, typing notes, asking a friend to take notes, or asking for additional time on assignments. The reasonability of the accommodation or modifications requested, is generally up to the professor using a reasonability screening concept. Some disabilities, such as being legally blind/deaf do warrant a higher level of accommodations, but they generally fall under the Section-504 of the ADA which is more about equal access to services (seeing guide dog in class, someone to sign for them, medication breaks, energy breaks for ADHD) than making assignments easier. It appears to me that the student pulled an IRS bluff on you. That is, hassle you with the threat of a law suit that won't go any where in order to put you on the defensive. Believe me, I have been to many court hearings about learning disabilities, and this suit is a bluff or simply a delusional view of what the disabilities act was about. Furthermore, remember that just about any attorney will write a letter for a client for the right fee, but few are nutty enough to go to court with such a silly suit. As a licensed educational psychologist, I would certainly be offended if you, as a college professor, would allow yourself to be manipulated like this. Forget about it.

  • Posted by R on December 18, 2006 at 5:15pm EST
  • I would not want a professor to ask me directly whether I've been tested for LD -- especially a professor whose class I'm doing poorly in. In my case, the answer is "yes." I was tested, and I’m LD. But I need to be careful who knows that information because, well, prejudice exists. Without a relationship of trust built up between that professor and me, I would never admit that I've been tested. I can't control what she does with that information. And if my answer were "no", well, more than likely I wouldn't know much about LD and would have all kinds of pre- or misconceptions of my own.

    A kinder way to handle the situation might be to preface the question by saying that you can see that the student is obviously intelligent and is working hard (if this is true!), but her results aren't what you’d expect from such a good combination. When that happens, you think there must be something else going on. Offer some possibilities (without expecting the student to confirm or deny any because these can be highly personal, emotional or stigmatized): overwork, outside stressors, side effects from some medicines, LD…. Stress that LD is not a euphemism for “retarded” or “stupid” – it has to do with problems that are unexpected given the person’s intelligence and hard work, and that’s what you see here. Offer a referral to your campus disability services office, counseling center, etc. And that’s it. That way, the student does not need to tell the professor if she was tested, what the results were, or any other such personal information, but can still gain access to further information and support services from people qualified to give them.

  • Understanding both sides
  • Posted by Toni Bone , LEA Supervisor at DHHS/DYS on December 19, 2006 at 5:35am EST
  • I am amazed to say the least that you are all admitting to few studentsthat come to you with problems for certain areas of learning. We all have a problem area where we are weaker in but in other areas we excel.
    I have worked with elementary students, high school students and now students in trouble.
    Just a thought you might try is if you suspect a student of having a sincere problem do a referral to the counselor or Disabilities Person on campus asking for a tracking of students high school records. The records will indicate if the student had a problem before. This can be done at the discression of the schools to assist students.
    do students not have to have high school records when they enter college?
    I am ADHD and stayed on the Deans List the entire time I went to college. It took a lot of studying and practicing but I had professors that understood my problems when I did not know I had any.
    Being older, and we won't go there,there was no such thing as Special Education. I had to do it or else. Many students today do not realize that we get what we put in. Some people learn so easily, I did not. I would tape lectures, read textbooks into a tape recorder so I could listen to them any time I wanted. I would write class notes, almost word for word what the instructor was saying. Then I would read them into a tape recorder to hear them back.
    I would then find other books to support what I needed to learn until I finally got it. I took my education very seriously and wanted to learn what I needed to be successful.
    Students have to learn and many do not know how. No matter what the disability is one can work around it. I found the my instructors were patient, understanding, and always had time to sit with me to explain again and again. If they saw I was not getting it they would tell me books that may explain it differently.
    I could never take an on-line class, I was too lost. I needed to be able to be in class and absorb everything.
    I conditioned my self and found my own way of learning and to this day all these years later I still have friendships with my professors.
    Now, my job is helping other students understand they get out of life what they put into it. That there is no magic pill or teaching that will MAKE them larn we have to do that ourselves. That takes dedication to what we want to accomplish.
    If you suspect a student is having a problem do a background check on there high school years. There counselor can do that and the student need not know.
    I applaud all educators this is a difficult time for everyone. Not matter how much you read on Learning Disabilities, IDEA'04, ADA it is all ambigous. Employers want people that put forth a lot of effort, not someone that is looking for the easy way out. That is what we have to teach students. The fact that if we want to reach our life goals and be successful then we have to take the time to learn ourselves and what we truely want to acheive. Then take the necessary steps and make the committment to reach that goal.

  • Some ideas
  • Posted by Kathy Allen , Private tutor on December 19, 2006 at 5:35am EST
  • I agree with the above comments about offering a student a number of possibilities about why a college class might be very difficult for a student. I'd also add a comment such as "there's a big jump between high school and college in how hard the classes are." Then I'd also mention that most colleges offer "develpmental classes" in reading, writing and math which, while not for credit, are intended to prepare students with LD or poor high school preparation to manage a college class. These courses can be lifesavers for students such as the one mentioned, as you can take them without any particular label. Disabled Student Services should make sure that all instructors know about all of their center's services, not just that they offer testing. I also think that professors should include the possibility of a learning disability (or learning difference, as that is a less loaded term.)

  • both mom of and one with disabilites
  • Posted by lynn , mom on December 19, 2006 at 8:05am EST
  • i was pleased to see that there are professors who care. i was also apalled at Jim the developmental psychologist and Toni Bone. jim seems to be very bitter about something, i dont know what though. your title doesnt give much for expertise. trying to make humans with disabilites seem like lawsuit hungry is ridiculous. the childs response was merely that, a snap response. the child later came back to professor and apparently had a in depth conversation that helped her. sounds like to me that you need to go back to college yourself and get a better degree. toni bone sounds like had a tough life with the motto shoved down throat of what you put in is what you get out. not all learning disabilites are the same as yours. you spoke of reading alot but what about the person with dyslexia(my husband for one)who can only read limited. or the person with dysgraphia or dyscalcula and on and on. maybe your disability was mild enough but maybe anothers is severe, you cant be the judge. i do agree that every disability can be "worked around" but it takes more that just what you put in is what you get out. each situation is different and requires different methods. both of my child have some of the same disabilites and also different ones, i also have disabilites and my husband does too. high school transcripts dont always give you the info you may think. my husband passed but his transcript gives no indication of the adhd, dyslexia he suffered from.i was very gifted in school but my transcript absolutely gives no indication of my disability. people whether child or adult with disabilities arent looking for the "easy" way out in fact our way is an extremely hard way, but when those suffering with these issues get help our world becomes clear not easy. you both and those like you do so much harm to people suffering from "hidden" disabilities because you may look like you either have expertise etc but you perpetuate the stigma which is more harmful than ignoring it. if you see a person with a physical disability you are more like to accept is as fact and not think or imply they are manipulating for there own benefit or what about the student who has cancer, they are more likely to receive help without the "manipulating" label, its just accepted as fact that they may need a week from school for chemo and need to do work at home during that time but a child suffering from a "learning disability or any hidden one" isnt seen the same way. what is seen is usually behaviors but just as the child with cancer so the child with a hidden disability needs the same time off when their disability is affecting them or help with work if thats what they need. and they laws are real and there specifically for students with disabilities, one deals with access to and the other deals with details of how it affects learning but dont ever just tell people to dismiss them. please dont say anything at all if you arent going to help.

  • Response
  • Posted by judy on December 19, 2006 at 11:55am EST
  • I am an individual who has worked with students with special needs 0-21 and at the college level. It is interesting to me that educators, parents, and the world of education all think that kids with limitations in reading and writing should continue seeking post school goals that require mastery in reading/writing skills. My strength is not in science. Therefore, I do not pursue areas that indicate good science understanding. Our students can pursue training in areas that do not reqire English composition and all the required courses to get an undergraduate degree. I see classes at the college level with such low expectations that it is embarrassing. I have also had some experience with students in Eastern Europe. Our education system is in trouble. I guess I am in favor of students passing tests in order to be in a college setting. There is nothing wrong with vocational training. We all have different strengths. Why continue to encourage those with reading/writing difficulties to pursue areas where it will always be a struggle? I am amazed at the remedial math and reading classes on campus in this present day. Four year colleges are for those individual who can absorb and learn the material. If you have limits, find your strengths and pursue a career that will allow you to use your strengths.

  • A Difficult Referral
  • Posted by LeeAnn on December 19, 2006 at 3:35pm EST
  • As I scrolled through the comments it seemed like Judy was the first person to mention the possibility that higher education is not appropriate for everyone. This student sounds like she is in over her head. Her behavior in the classroom, as described after the threatened lawsuit, does not come across to me as someone who is deeply interested in the subject or the outcome. I wish that I had had a professor half as understanding and patient as the author when I attended college back in the dark ages. Can someone explain the shame of the Learning Disability label to me?

  • A difficult referral
  • Posted by John M , school psychologist on December 27, 2006 at 6:15pm EST
  • To the comment about a student with reading/writing difficulty being "in over their head" - would you say the same thing about a student who can't read standard text due to blindness? You probably would think of alternate ways of making the information available to the student that were not so dependent on good visual processing of text. More than a century after learning disabilities were first described, it's still easy to confound disability with lack of skill or lack of readiness. In fact, in the K-12 world, we have a debate going on now over the necessity of disability categories, particularly with so-called "mild" disabilities (e.g., SLD, ADHD)- so this article and comments are very interesting to me. I am frequently reassuring/exhorting my colleagues that their evaluations do make a large difference in the lives of students, even if the student is in 12th grade.