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February 9, 2007

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My decision to eliminate the football program at Mansfield was the most difficult decision of my 38-year career in higher education. There was no joy in it; no feeling of accomplishment; no feeling of victory. Instead there was a deep sense of loss and sadness. As a president of six months, there could be few more challenging situations to face. In the reaction to the decision, it is clear that many people in higher education believe it’s either impossible or foolish to eliminate a football program. I share my experience not because I want to urge others to eliminate their programs, but because colleges can’t be places where anything besides academics can be permanently off the table. There are institutions and circumstances where football must be on the table -- and where it can be eliminated, even by a woman president.

For Mansfield, the issue started with our budgets. The costs of football had been escalating for several years and the university’s attempts to keep up with them were diverting resources from the academic program. It was clear that Mansfield was too small an institution to support any longer a Division II football team.

Once I started to raise questions about these issues, I was warned that football was a sacred cow and eliminating the program could never be an option. I was warned to be prepared for the wrath of football alumni, and for criticism that I did not appreciate football because my background academically and professionally was the theatre, and that as a woman I had no appreciation of football. “She is an actress. What can she know about athletics? How can we know she isn’t acting when she speaks to us?” I was warned about every possible negative outcome from such a decision including the loss of enrollment, revenue, diversity, community and alumni support. None of the warnings changed the reality facing the university: We could no longer afford football without cutting academic programs and academic support services. That I would not do. That was the absolute that made my decision firm.

Mansfield University is a member of the Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference (PSAC) Division II in all of its sports, including women’s soccer, men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, softball, women’s field hockey, and men’s and women’s cross country and track and field, and football. We are competitive in almost all of these sports and are taking steps to enhance our remaining sports programs. The president’s cabinet explored several options -- including moving to Division III, to an independent conference, and putting the program on hiatus. Still, the reality we faced was that the cost of football had become too great for us to bear.

There was never a question about the value of football. A football program is an important asset to any institution, so long as the institution can afford the program. The athletes learn skills such as ensemble building, problem solving, focus, strategic thinking, work-ethic, commitment, responsibility, courage and determination -- skills that enhance a liberal arts education. The program often provides access to students who might not otherwise go to college. The games also add to the vitality of campus life. Our team has not done well in recent years -- we did not win a game this past season and won only twice in the last three years. But my decision was not based on our record. It was in large measure a budgetary decision.

There comes a time in the life of many small institutions when the question must be asked, “What can we afford to do well and what can we no longer afford to do well?” There can be no sacred cows in such a discussion. The institution must examine the cost of academic, athletic, and academic support programs, determine priorities and reallocate resources to serve the priorities. And it must be committed to act on those findings.

The funding issues. Mansfield provided approximately $383,000 a year to football; student activity fees and supplemental funding provided another $76,000. Scholarships cannot be funded from state money or student fees; they must be funded from private gifts, usually from football alumni. Mansfield was able to provide only $56,000 a year in scholarships, the lowest in our conference. Additionally, the university had the poorest facility in the conference. The field needs extensive work, the field house and stands are dilapidated and the press box is even worse. None of these costs could we afford. And, if football remained, Title IX compliance would mean additional women’s sports would need to be added.

Mansfield is a small liberal arts institution, 3,200 full-time equivalent (FTE), with strong professional and graduate programs. We are committed to student leadership development and a liberal arts education. Students select Mansfield  because the education is based on individual work with exceptional faculty and staff and high academic standards. The feel of a Mansfield education is much like a private college but at an affordable public price. As a small rural institution, our enrollment will likely always remain between 3,000 and 4,000 students. Our students are often first generation college, from a rural area and from low to middle income families. State support is mainly based on enrollment. In order to bring the institution into fiscal alignment in the FY 2008 budget, it became clear in September of 2006 that we needed to make major reallocations to support established academic priorities and to provide stronger support for the other sports.

Making and communicating the decision. The decision was made by the president’s cabinet with the support of the Council of Trustees. Although we did our best to inform everyone in an orderly manner that respected individual investment, I am convinced that there is no good or right way to communicate well such a consideration and decision. Anyone who was not among the first to hear about the issue first felt that communication was poor; anyone who heard first felt the issue was sprung on them. The time line and process for communication was complex, but there were some critical communication strategies that I believe relieved much tension and provided clarity for those most affected.

1. I visited individually with each member of the Council of Trustees prior to the decision in order to explain the rationale, hear their opinions and determine whether or not they could support such a decision. The chancellor, the PSAC commissioner, and a former Mansfield president, who was also the former football coach of the institution, were also consulted prior to the decision. Key campus leaders, the athletic director, the head football coach, the directors of the marching band, and the faculty advisor to the cheerleader squad were consulted. All of these, although sad to lose football, saw advantages to the decision. This communication effort took place over a five-day period of time; each person was asked to maintain confidentiality. However, after five days, word was out on campus that the elimination was under consideration.

2. The football team members were told. As president, I attempted to visit each player individually to explain the decision, field their questions and provide support.

3. We formally announced to the campus and alumni that elimination was under consideration and requested responses from faculty, staff, students and alumni.

4. We gave the coaches’ union the mandatory two weeks to respond and considered their response.

5. I responded to every e-mail and written response, with the exception of two that were especially uncivil.

6. The cabinet, staff, alumni, and development offices did the same.

7. The Student Affairs Office worked with students to provide them an opportunity to understand the decision, to ask questions and discuss.

The final decision was made two weeks later with the stipulation that a task force of football alumni would be formed to determine the conditions under which reinstatement of a football program could be considered sometime in the future.

What was gained by the decision? The institution has made a cut in expenditures that will help balance our budget in FY 2008 and beyond.  As enrollment and retention increase, funding will be reallocated to academics. Student activity fees and scholarships have been reallocated to the other 13 sports that have not been adequately funded in the past. The institution will likely be Title IX compliant.

What was lost? The value that the game can teach young athletes about life and personal development; the vitality that the game provides on Saturdays. For the institution, it may mean a possible temporary drop in enrollment, a possible drop in gender balance, a likely drop in alumni giving and disengagement by football alumni. In my mind, the most serious loss, and the most difficult to restore, may be the loss of diversity. We are vigorously looking at ways to restore the level of campus diversity provided by football and we are taking steps to minimize the other possible negative outcomes.

One of the reasons the decision was made in the fall semester was to ensure that any athlete who wished to transfer could do so in time to sit out the semester to be eligible to play in the fall. All student athletes who remain with us, and there are several, will retain their scholarships through their four years of eligibility.

What was the reaction to the decision? Understandably a number of football alumni are devastated and some are angry. Although many football alums would dispute the statement, I appreciate and respect those feelings and the accompanying anger. Having never played the sport, I can only imagine what it is like to see a program you love disappear. I believe I understand when I make an analogy to the loss of a theatre program, a decision already made at Mansfield last year. There are a number of football alums who understand the decision and feel that if we cannot afford to support the team well, we should not have a team at all. Most of the students, faculty and staff were saddened, but accepted and understood the decision. Many expressed support that the institution was prioritizing academics and making tough decisions. The local community, with few exceptions, was supportive of the decision.

The football athletes and coaches conducted themselves with professional behavior and understanding. We all can learn from them about character. The PSAC conference leadership was understanding and helpful. There were no demonstrations; the last game was played without incident; I was not accosted by students; my car was not pelted with eggs; my house was not wrapped in toilet paper; commencement was conducted with dignity.  The students could not have done more to honor the dignity of the game. But I will never forget standing in the rain, in the stadium during the last two minutes of the last Mansfield game, the score 41 to 0 and feeling the weight of responsibility and loss. I have rarely felt sadder or more alone in a crowd. I knew that a 115-year legacy was ending on my watch.

Where does that leave us at Mansfield? We are an institution whose top priority is clear: In good financial times or bad, it will always be academics first. As the spring semester begins we are left with sadness at the loss of something valuable, but hopeful that its return can occur somewhere in the future.

This December was my first commencement ceremony as a university president. One of  the football team leaders was graduating. I expected that he might not want to shake my hand when receiving his diploma. I did not want to force him to do so. I wanted to respect his feelings. I will never forget my feeling when instead of rejecting my handshake he wrapped his huge arms around me and said, “It’s all right.”

Maravene Loeschke is president of Mansfield University of Pennsylvania.

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Comments on No Sacred Cows

  • A sound fiscal decision for Mansfield.
  • Posted by Larry Jackson on February 9, 2007 at 9:26am EST
  • Major sports can be a budgetary albatross around the neck of smaller schools. But they can be just the opposite for larger ones.

  • Is there really no question about the value of football?
  • Posted by Laurence Miller , Director of Distance Learning at Westchester Institute for Human Development on February 9, 2007 at 10:46am EST
  • President Loeschke writes:

    > There was never a question about the value of football. A football program is an important asset to any institution, so long as the institution can afford the program. The athletes learn skills such as ensemble building, problem solving, focus, strategic thinking, work-ethic, commitment, responsibility, courage and determination — skills that enhance a liberal arts education.

    That kind of logic can serve to rationalize including almost anything!

  • Football and values
  • Posted by Kenneth Graham , Professor of Law at UCLA on February 9, 2007 at 11:45am EST
  • Nostaligia often obscures evaluation of football. As one who played football in my youth, I have been appalled by what has happened to the sport with the growth of the National Football League. The violence that the NFL peddles has slowly but inexorably crept into college and high school sports. Anyone who doubts this has not listened very carefully to media coverage and its celebration of violence and the thugs who perpetrate it. The concept of "dirty player" that had some moral weight when I played has disappeared. Professors who rightly condemn violence in movies and television should listen to broadcasts of their institution's football games and ponder what lessons the broadcaster's are teaching.

  • Punting the Football Program
  • Posted by Genie Abrams , adjunct instructor of journalism at Rockland Community College on February 9, 2007 at 11:55am EST
  • Good for you, sister!
    As a Syracuse alumna, i love football and the spectacle of "football Saturdays" on campus. But you have to put academics first, and it sounds like you have strengthened your academics as well as your "minor sports" programs with this decision.
    Way to go!

  • sanity about sports
  • Posted by Sandy Thatcher at Penn State University on February 9, 2007 at 1:50pm EST
  • At last, a sign of sanity about the value and place of sports in higher education! My hat is off to Dr. Loeschke who had a tough decision to make but handled it well and found that the roof did not cave in at her university. If only other university presidents would wake up to reality and see where the true interests of their universities lie—especially when, at some of them, they are only too willing to sacrifice the "minor" (Olympic) sports at the altar of big-time football. The takeover of universities by the entertainment industry has gone way too far, and it is high time that faculty organized themselves to fight the battle in favor of the educational values they purport to represent.

  • Skipping the football drumbeat
  • Posted by Hermann Munster on February 9, 2007 at 3:00pm EST
  • I applaud, loudly, Mansfield's decision to drobp football. Not because football is a violent sport or that football athletes have tendency to not graduate from college but because too often other sports face the budgetary axe under the guise of Title IX compliance when the real reason is that football is so damned expensive.

    James Madison and Butler, to name a few, cut swimming and track & field because those schools lacked the funds to keep a 60+ scholarship football program and the so-called lesser sports suited up.

    Shame on those schools. Bravo to Mansfield!

    Football, not Title IX is gutting our collegiate sports programs. I am happy that a female theatre major with no football experience saw thru all the "football alumni are going to be angry" b.s. made the correct fiscal decision.

  • No Sacred Cows
  • Posted by Michael Bense , COO on February 9, 2007 at 4:15pm EST
  • To Sandy Thatcher:

    Interesting comments coming from someone at Penn State. Since college really is about education and not sports, maybe you should suggest that Penn State contemplate ending their football program. Or is that the most sacred of sacred cows in Pennsylvania.

  • Costs
  • Posted by Jim Aune on February 9, 2007 at 8:35pm EST
  • To me it's a scandal when a football coach at a major research university gets paid 10 times the amount of a Nobel Prize winner on the faculty. I have one question, and would appreciate suggestions for sources about it: what is the evidence that Big Football actually makes money for universities?

  • Glass Houses?
  • Posted by Sandy Thatcher at Penn State University on February 9, 2007 at 8:35pm EST
  • Mr. Bense's retort suggests that I live in a "glass house" at Penn State and shouldn't be offering such a comment when, he must presume, Penn State is similarly subject to such criticism. I won't deny that Penn State, too, has succumbed to some of the unsavory aspects of commercialization, such as its exclusive license for selling only Pepsi products on campus, but its football program—which, admittedly, has its occasional moments in the news when former team members are arrested for one or another drug or assault charge—has benefitted from the long stewardship of a head coach (Paterno) who is fundamentally driven by his regard for academic values (as reflected in his and his wife's major contributions to fund-raising for the Penn State Libraries over many years) and who works very hard to maintain the unusually high graduation rate of his players (83 percent, third highest among public institutions with Div.1 football programs and seventh highest among all 119 Div. 1 football schools). See http://live.psu.edu/story/21350. Penn State is very fortunate to be among the small handful of universities where the proceeds from football cover the entire costs of running all intercollegiate sports, with no money taken away from any academic programs. It is therefore not compelled, as some other institutions have been lately, to drop any of the "minor" sports; indeed, Penn State fields top teams in many of those sports, with ones like volleyball and fencing traditionally among the top half-dozen in the country. As a swimmer, it pains me to see a school like Rutgers drop its very good swimming teams, men's and women's, which competed well against Penn State (and my alma mater Princeton) recently, because of its obsession to become a powerhouse in football. And I remember my college days in the 1960s when Rutgers was still playing Princeton in football, and we all enjoyed watching those contests among central New Jersey neighbors.

  • Absurd
  • Posted by B.D. on February 9, 2007 at 8:35pm EST
  • " .. too often other sports face the budgetary axe under the guise of Title IX compliance .."

    How many people pay to watch football, vs. swimming? Oh, around 500-to-1.

    How many male students play football, vs. swim? Oh, 10-to-1, at some colleges.

    Please -- try using facts. Really helps. Thanks.

  • Football Isn't the Point
  • Posted by Jonathan Dresner on February 10, 2007 at 6:05am EST
  • I'm not at all surprised to find the comments on this piece turning on the merits of football, even though that's barely relevant.

    What makes this piece interesting and valuable is the model of communications and decision-making it presents: clear, defensible priorities, openness about resources, consultation with affected parties, and an active leader. I've seen institutions with this model of leadership, and it's a powerful and fine thing to see; it's more notable by its absence in most of the academy, of course.

  • Don't say?
  • Posted by B.D. on February 10, 2007 at 6:11pm EST
  • "Football Isn’t the Point"

    Really? The essay's first words --

    "My decision to eliminate the football program .."

    Hello, Planet Claire! Are you receiving us?

  • Just Pick the Right Model
  • Posted by Don Langenberg , Chancellor Emeritus at University System of Maryland on February 10, 2007 at 10:00pm EST
  • In academe, we often view issues like this using comparisons with other institutions as models. Let me offer one for this case. It is a small private institution with about half the number of students Mansfield has. When I spent a sabbatical there long ago, football was a club sport. That meant that even faculty could play. The institution was very proud of its football team, partly because it was the only one in the nation in which one of the backs was a Nobel Laureate. It was a perfect exemplar of H. L. Mencken's remark that college athletics would be a lot more interesting if the players were faculty rather than students.

    President Loeschke is to be congratulated for her masterful handling of a very difficult situation. She is a former colleague of mine here in Maryland, and though I am pleased, I am not surprised.

    P.S. The institution referenced above is the California Institute of Technology.

  • Entertainment or Education?
  • Posted by Sandy Thatcher at Penn State University on February 11, 2007 at 11:05am EST
  • And BD's point is what? That universities should squander their resources in order to provide entertainment for football fans, many of whom have no connection at all to the universities whose teams they are rooting for? As for facts, BD, here are some. NCAA rules prohibit more than 85 scholarships being awarded for Div 1 football teams. No doubt there are some walk-ons on most teams, but let's say that the majority of teams probably have no more than 100 players. Now, to use my earlier example, the Rutgers swim teams have a total of 53 students participating (32 women and 21 men, according to their rosters in the program for a recent meet at Penn State). That is only one of the six or seven teams that Rutgers is planning to eliminate. Suppose that the average number of students participating on those teams is 25. Then the total number of athletes at Rutgers will be reduced by 150 to 175 in favor of steering financial support instead to 100 football players. Yes, football brings in more revenue, but it also costs much more to run when the university is aspiring to go big time. In fact, Rutgers has a net annual loss of $3 million on its football program. At least some of that money is a drain from academic programs. All of this leads one to believe that Rutgers feels it is more important to entertain people like you than to educate students--or even to support 150 athletes in other sports. How sad!n

  • Posted by T Savage , MU Football on February 12, 2007 at 10:20am EST
  • Although a well written piece, the bottom line is the program is gone and now a large number of alums with their families and friends will never again return to campus. Homecoming has always been for Alums with football and Greek life ties and now both are gone. The concerns about diversity such be a concern for Mrs. Loeschke, I would estimate that about 75% of the diversity at MU is because of the football program. The only point missing from Sacred Cow is the alums who have the strongest connection with Mansfield University are the ones feeling the most loss. Academics will always be the most important part of any higher education institution. The problem facing MU is all the others have that as well as campus life containing social and athletic allure. Good luck with future enrollment.

  • Show me the money
  • Posted by B.D. on February 12, 2007 at 10:20am EST
  • " .. In fact, Rutgers has a net annual loss of $3 million on its football program .. "

    Please post that data's URL; most major colleges have their financial reports online.

    Once posted, I will present to the U.S. Attorney's office for disposition. New Jersey higher education appears to have a real problem, handling public funds.

  • Posted by Lou Holtz , Penn State on February 12, 2007 at 10:20am EST
  • Penn State is a football driven University and although Mrs Thatcher doesnt agree, thousands of incoming students choose their next 4-5 years of education based upon athletics. Not a sacred cow but CASH COW.

  • More on Rutgers and Penn State
  • Posted by Sandy Thatcher at Penn State University on February 12, 2007 at 1:15pm EST
  • Here is a URL that will provide BD with plenty of information about the Rutgers football program:
    http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2JmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk3MDE1Mzc0. In re-reading this article, I see that it says that eight teams were originally on the table to be cut and now only six are. In swimming it appears that only the men's team will be cut—my mistake. Those of course who want to blame Title IX will do so.

    It is Mr. Thatcher, thank you, Mr.(?) Holtz, if that is your real name, because there is no one listed in the Penn State Faculty and Staff Directory by that name (and it certainly sounds phoney to me, being the name of the former Notre Dame and South Carolina coach). If Penn State would lose a lot of applicants were its football team not so prominent, that might be a good thing because, at Rutgers, those who stopped applying because of the football team were the best and brightest students from New Jersey. Penn State, and the town of State College, would be better off with fewer students who come to Penn State mainly to attend football games, get drunk afterwards, and then trash the downtown area. It costs money to handle a large increase in applicants, and if fewer but better applicants were in the pool, that would be an advantage for Penn State, not something to decry.

  • No data here
  • Posted by B.D. on February 12, 2007 at 3:00pm EST
  • I asked for a financial report like this --

    http://www.finops.umich.edu/FormsReports/Reports/2005/highlights/athletics.html

    The information I got was a bunch of wordy, quantitatively-unsupported gobble-gook that does NOT provide the financial data and numbers expected.

    Therefore, it is clear that the assertion of public subsidy of sports is rejected for lack of proof.

    Good try -- solid effort.

  • Football Costs
  • Posted by Sandy Thatcher at Penn State University on February 12, 2007 at 4:35pm EST
  • If you read the article, BD, you'd have seen this statement: "Although Rutgers officials balked at releasing budget figures, it is clear that each year the university subsidizes football. Last year, the figure was $2.65 million in direct support and student fees, according to an unaudited statement." It appears that, for whatever reason, Rutgers' athletic expenditures are NOT a matter of public record, so I can hardly provide you with the URL you requested. But I'm inclined to trust the figures cited in this very thorough investigative report.

  • What are you talking about?
  • Posted by B.D. on February 12, 2007 at 8:10pm EST
  • "If you read .. you’d have seen this statement: “Although Rutgers officials balked at releasing budget figures .."

    Then what is this?

    http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~univcont/rpts/RU2006finstat.pdf

    There is nothing in the aforementioned that refers to, or indicates, any so-called "sacrifice" of NON-REVENUE sports for football.

    However, it does note the addition of revenue from .. football TV bowl revenue. Imagine that.

    Anyone who cannot see that NCAA football generates the most revenue for college sports is cognitively blind to reality. This has become a farce -- oh, and BTW, the world has not become flat.

  • Football by itself is not evil
  • Posted by stm60 on February 13, 2007 at 2:05pm EST
  • So football offers no benefits? I suggest you visit the University of Notre Dame and then drive down to St. Mary's of the Woods. Notice any difference in facilities?

  • Where Does the Money Go?
  • Posted by Sandy Thatcher at Penn State University on February 13, 2007 at 6:10pm EST
  • If you had read the newspaper article carefully, BD, you would have seen that the reporters were talking about measures Rutgers would be taking for the next fiscal year, not the 2006 fiscal year that is the subject of the URL you provide. But if you look carefully at that report even, you’ll note that under “Economic Outlook” it refers to a planned “reduction of non-salary expenditures” for fiscal 2007, which could well include the announced elimination of six athletic teams.

    As for revenue, no one doubts that football generates more income than other sports. The question is over net income. For all but a handful of Div. 1 teams, costs exceed revenues for football, as every expert who has examined this subject (like economist Andrew Zimbalist) will tell you. And those extra costs have to come from somewhere, often at the expense of academic programs.

    For a similar tale of woe at another large public university, see this article at the NCAA’s own web site: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4g3NPUESUGYHvqRaGLGphhCjggRX4_83FR9b_0A_YLc0NCIckdFACrZHxQ!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfMTVL?New_WCM_Context=/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2007/Editorial/Put+academics+first+in+athletics+-+01-29-07+NCAA+News

    To “stm60” I would reply, sure, Notre Dame is one of those very few universities (like Penn State) where football revenues exceed costs. But are those revenues used for anything other than supporting the athletic department? I doubt it. Compare Rutgers again. Take a look at the dilapidated state of the classrooms on campus, and you’ll see where the money doesn’t go!

  • Intercollegiate Sports
  • Posted by James Albert DeLater on February 14, 2007 at 4:55am EST
  • That intercollegiate sports should have a tangential relationship in any way to what is called higher education--even in the States--is indefencible. Ask the spokespeople at the U of Chicago or Johns Hopkins U if you're doubtful. Or read Margaret Soltan's "University Diaries" website. It's enlightening on what a disgraceful thug-money empire college sports have become. But perhaps we should allow intercollegiate competition for a time in chess, cribbage, Scrabble and croquet. Perhaps. . . .

  • No, the athletic department cannot change your grade to a C
  • Posted by Jason , Graduate Student on February 14, 2007 at 4:55am EST
  • I think much in this article was lost to an unintended (intended?) glossing over of that which gives meaning to the sacred cow metaphor, namely, the imputation of "sacredness." When one truly and courageously confronts so-called inviolable objects, events, or pastimes, one does so by confronting the attitudes, beliefs and dispositions responsible for such untouchability. This article and the actions it describes have done none of that. In fact, it does just the opposite.

    Yes, a cow was certainly slaughtered in this case, but it's sacredness remains fully intact and I suspect ultimately strengthened by this sacrifice. If the best we can do in confronting such sacred cows in the academy is simply by way of budgetary appeal, then I also suspect those who insist on worshiping at the shrine of college sports for its own sake - and if we're really honest, what other sake is really in operation here - will have their day and with a vengeance.

    We think almost nothing of cutting academic programs when the money is tight. So why is it that such academic programs are never considered sacred cows in the academy? I would hope that our priorities are measured by principle and reason and not merely by economics. I know that's naive, but then I'm just a graduate student.

  • Where? Have to look ..
  • Posted by B.D. on February 14, 2007 at 9:45am EST
  • " .. the question is over net income. For all but a handful of Div. 1 teams, costs exceed revenues for football .."

    Under what time span -- one-year? Five-year? Ten-year? As compared to account balances for the same periods? And cash-flow for the same periods?

    Others had to provide financial info on Rutgers. Now, there is still no tolerable financial analysis on net income, much less the other necessary financial statements.

    (And BTW: with NON-revenue NCAA sports -- costs always exceed revenues, viz., money-losers.)

    " .. And those extra costs have to come from somewhere, often at the expense of academic programs .."

    Once more: anyone with real, tangible proof of funds illegally used to subsidize college sports -- bring it on. Every U.S. district attorney in America would prosecute felonious misuse of funds.

    Finally, about " .. we think almost nothing of cutting academic programs when the money is tight .."

    What stops someone from teaching for free? Nothing.

  • Posted by stm60 on February 14, 2007 at 8:45pm EST
  • Mr. Thatcher,
    I am surprised that you question if any of Notre Dame's "football money" is spent outside the program? If this is the case, how then do you explain the rather nice facilities on campus? The many endowed chairs? Do these spring up completely independent of football activities?

    Without at all advocating football as the be all and end all, there is more to the sport and its reach then some (who unfortunately need to work at not sounding elitist)may grant. Take large land grant schools for example. Do you think U. of Alabama, or Okalahama football, or UConn basketball serve the people of the state as a unifier or even as innocent entertainment? Personally I think that many schools - such as land grant schools - serve purposes that are more than simply funding Chairs in Welsh Drama.

    A football program, like any program at a school, should be viewed in its totality.