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Can I See My Grade?

It was last official day of the semester. I had just finished recording my grades. Suddenly a wasp wafted into the office through an open window. The reincarnation of a student I had once flunked? No time to jest. What to do? I couldn’t leave quite yet, as I regularly used to flee a former office, only to greeted the next morning or afternoon by wasps who had proceeded to take up residence there, until I had to kill them with cans of insecticide. This day, though, I didn’t even have a fly swatter.

Perhaps in the closet of the custodian there was something. I left my office, and asked one of the secretaries in the outer office. No key, no luck. But wait. One of my students — I had just a couple of hours ago decided to give him a “B” instead of a “C” — chanced to be present. He offered to deal with the intruder for me. I hesitated. This might mean he would feel entitled to ask about his grade. Yet it sure would be nice to get rid of that wasp.

The student accompanied me to the office, spotted the wasp buzzing around the ceiling, took off his shoe, stepped on a chair, and dispatched the insect with one no-nonsense swat. Awhile ago, it had taken much more time for me to decide about his grade. Please, don’t ask me now, I said to myself. To the student, I offered profuse thanks as well as nervous self-consciousness about my own fear of wasps.

“Sure, no problem,” he shrugged, continuing out the door and then a short distance down the hall. Were we going to avoid the fateful question (with its attendant suspicion that the student had helped only in order to ask it)? No, we were not. He abruptly turned and asked in a sort of plaintive voice: “By the way, do you think I could see my grade?” Damn! I wished I could have taken off my shoe and swatted the wasp myself.

Is there a right way to answer the question? I’ve hated it since I began teaching, and not just because, at the instant of its utterance, the moments of teaching and learning fatally collapse into grading and being graded. In my experience, any answer is wrong. Tell the truth, and you’ll almost certainly get into a squabble about the grade. ("I thought I improved.” “I’ve got to raise my GPA.” Etc.) Refuse to tell, and you risk disdaining any student’s understandable concern.

What I used to do was make my answer dependent upon the individual. So I always truthfully answered ones who were to receive either an “A” or a “B,” unless they had slipped by semester’s end from the higher to the lower grade. Then my reply was the same as it was to all the rest: “I haven’t finished grades yet.” It was almost always a lie. Of course the students never knew. More to the point, they couldn’t protest or argue.

Talking about grades was, and is, always rife with potential conflict.

None of it is edifying. Gradually, as if to withdraw further from the spectacle, I slipped into what could be charitably described as a gnomic phase. To the “A’s” or “B’s” I took to saying, “I don’t discuss grades, but you won’t be unhappy.” They understood, and smiled.

To the rest, I said things like, “don’t worry,” “I know you tried your best,” or, most boldly of all, “it was really hard to decide.” Some disliked such words-the last soaked in special pleading of my own, haplessly designed to forestall the student’s. Most students just shrugged and went away, figuring, perhaps, gnomic does as gnomic is.

Or else maybe, once an asshole, always an asshole. In my experience, one definition of an asshole is a teacher who says, “I never discuss grades.” (And perhaps nowadays one who gives lower ones than “A” or “B.") Period. It took me many years to get to this period. Finally, however, I can report that I have. One size fits all. Don’t ask, don’t tell. Just read the syllabus. Nothing there about the curiosities of human communication, much less the dynamics of learning, whereby a discussion of one’s grade by the student, especially if the grade is unsatisfactory, is almost impossible to prevent, once the grade is uttered by the teacher. There is simply the statement: “grades will not be discussed,” because it’s virtually impossible to discuss them, as opposed to whine about them.

Once I had a student who thanked me for giving him a “D.” (Grades had just become available in the registrar’s office.) He expected to fail. I never expected him to. But I didn’t mention this, and there was undoubtedly much else neither of us mentioned, including his secret wish for a “C.” So it goes with grades. One mere letter (or number) represents many things both to student and teacher. So few of any of these things can be honestly discussed between them that it’s better none are, at least in the heat of the evaluative moment. One reason for the rise of the syllabus, I’m convinced, is to dispense with so much as the possibility of what might be described as the Scene of Whining.

A grander, more explicit dream of the syllabus: to remove the subjective moment entirely from grading. On the ideal syllabus, gradewise all is given, from the percentage of the grade devoted to each quiz to the percentage deduced on the basis of excessive absences. Grades aren’t “given.” They’re computed. In the Platonic syllabus, no student ever stops by any professor’s office in order to “explain” about that last absence, much less to “inquire” about that last quiz. A student might as well question the institution’s stated date for final class withdrawal. Of course it goes without saying that in heaven every student has actually read the syllabus.

Alas, back down on earth there are usually a few in every class who haven’t — or else who are somehow, inexplicably, in denial over the precise intelligence that the syllabus is designed to impart. These students are not necessarily the ones who are most likely at semester’s end to ask to see or know their grades. As my own above example illustrates, given the right circumstances, just about any student will raise the fateful question. But paying no attention to the syllabus helps, even if it must be admitted: No syllabus can spell out or guarantee the conditions of its own reception!

Just so, even a description of the most scientifically calibrated grading procedure cannot remove either the presence of a subjective moment or, which comes to the same thing, a student perception that such a moment has not occurred in actual professorial experience. That’s the moment the can-I-see-my-grade question either openly addresses or else risks getting caught up in-from which a grade not so much issues as the final phase of a decision-making process but as the naked decision itself, stripped bare of rationale. If you’re a teacher, try as you might — in your heart of hearts (or at least your leather grade book) — you’re never going to free your grades from being perceived by some students in this way.

Especially today, when a further and far more insidious student perception is widespread: that the grade has become a commodity. “You get what you pay for.” Who has not heard students blurt this formula, as if on command? In my experience, it’s pointless to argue with the ones who do. You may as well argue with the whole culture that encourages them to think of grades, like everything else — from skin cream to SUV’s — as things to be bought. Besides, are we all not familiar with the phenomenon of, precisely, “grade inflation?” If oil is subject to inflation, why not grades — only this time, happily, to the advantage of the student “consumer?”

Can I see My Grade? One could argue that at many universities this particular question is now beside the point. Now the point is to get everything online — students, teachers, course materials, and certainly grades. Some software programs allow students to access every quiz or test result, right to the end, and then see the final grade virtually as soon as it’s posted. This might be characterized as a successful example of “customer satisfaction.” But wait. What if the customer is not satisfied? Then can-I-see-my-grade becomes comparable to asking can-I-see-my-bill to a “service representative.” In each case, the question constitutes the opening move in what all concerned know could be a protracted process of checking, re-checking, speaking to the supervisor, further negotiating, and so on.

If the subjective moment of grading cannot easily be removed from the evaluative process, neither can the subjective moment of inquiring about it. The two seem symmetrical to me. Perhaps this is the reason I’ve always hated the inquiry. It immediately sends me back to my decision, which I often experienced as agony, and now have to re-experience as if the agony never happened, for it’s pointless or provocative — sometimes both — to exhibit ambiguity or equivocation to the student, who only desires the happiest, highest evaluative construal of all manner of factors, whether banned by the syllabus or not.

“Can I see my grade?” There’s simply no defense against this question. You can reply as Harried Professor or Good Buddy. You can comprehend yourself or be comprehended as Registrar or Service Rep. You can alternate all your whole teaching career, as I have, between resenting the question and trying somehow to comply with it. The only certainty: The question is coming, at the end of pretty much every semester, and not always from the mouths of students whom you could have predicted. What you answer them may well define you as a teacher-for them, even for yourself-as much as how cheerfully you answered questions in class or how jauntily you handed out the syllabus that first day.

And my reply to the particular wasp-slaying student who last asked me the question? I paused, as to decide whether to revert to my initial way of dealing with it; after all, I had decided to give him the higher of two grades and he would not be displeased to learn this. Instead, I just went on emotional autopilot, as authorized by my current procedure, and lied that, sorry, I hadn’t completed all the grades yet. The student was disappointed. Would that I could have apologized further, and tried to explain-well, precisely what? That his simple question was not in fact so innocent? “Give me a break!” he’d probably cry. In a sense, this is exactly where we came in.

Speaking of innocent, though, finally, what about the wasp? He — I’m assuming — just drifted in for whatever reason. Not instruction of some sort, surely, although I don’t know much about wasps apart from their sting. My guess is, wasps, unlike humans, know pretty much everything they need to know from a very early age. In any case, he was collateral damage this day. I wish I hadn’t been instrumental in bringing about his death. At least I wasn’t obliged to give him a grade.

Terry Caesar’s last column was about the concept of “faculty wife.”

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You think you’ve got troubles?

Because students grades are posted on Blackboard, I usually don’t get this question very often. But I well remember a few years ago that I had two students that consistently scheduled meetings with me to appeal their grade BEFORE each exam!

John F. DeFelice, Associate Professor of History at University of Maine at Presque Isle, at 8:30 am EST on March 4, 2008

I’m Still Living In A Parallel Universe

Forgive me Terry, but I think this essay is really weird.

This is my 48th year of teaching and I have never had the sensations expressed in your confession. During the past 35 years I have had a grading strategy that entails, among other things, more heavily weighting performance at the end of the course (I have had the advantage of teaching courses with cumulative content, and my final exams are very comprehensive). In any event, here is an excerpt from all of my syllabi ...

“Whatever you do, don’t ever ask me to convert a numerical grade into a letter grade. Frankly, I never think in terms of letter grades until after the final exam has been turned in, graded, and the final numerical average has been calculated. It’s a waste of your and my time to even consider that question. I will tell you this ... if your final average is above 70%, you will make at least some variation of “C” on the course; above 80%, at least some variation of “B;” and above 90%, at least some variation of “A.”

Finally, although I am intent upon giving students the grades they ‘deserve,’ it is my inclination to ‘participate in your success, not in your failure,’ whatever that means (you figure it out).”

While many of my colleagues have hard-and-fast rules about grading and grade scales, that would never work for me. I think I’m a pretty good teacher (I like to think of myself as an intellectual colleague) but during the many years I have been teaching I have never mastered the art of writing the perfect test. Someone has to “protect” the students from my lack of skill in testing ... why shouldn’t it be I?

Oh yes, I should add that, at the conclusion of the course, each and every student gets a short e-mail message from me (granted it’s an enhanced boilerplate) with hir grades (tests, homework, projects, and final) included in it. Sometimes it takes me the better part of a day or two to write these messages, but, unless I’m mistaken, these guys are paying up to 50% of my salary. And anyway, (1) I like upwards of 80% of them, (2) 30% of them like me better than they like their own parents, and (3) 90% of them treat me with more respect than my children ever did.

Oh, one more thing Terry. What in the Hell are you doing in your university office at this time of the academic year anyway. Grading should be done in your home office (don’t even bother to change out of your p.j.s), with a bottle of wine sitting on your desk (a glass is optional), with wonderful distractions just waiting for your attention (“hmmm, now would be a good time to replace the washers in my garden hoses”), and by the next time you see your students, they will already have received the e-mail messages mentioned above and will be fawning all over you (“oh, Professor Caesar, you’re the greatest ... let me introduce you to my parents”).

Frizbane Manley, at 9:10 am EST on March 4, 2008

As an advocate for students and other college consumers, I find this article very disturbing.

When students go to college, they are paying high prices for educational services, and they deserve to be treated with respect.

Grades are very important to many students. They can affect many things, including the ability to maintain academic scholarships, the ability to get jobs and internships, and, in some cases, whether parents will continue helping them pay for their education or not.

Therefore, a student who is on the cusp of getting a B or a C might be very reasonably worried.

What’s wrong with transparency? Why can’t a student be allowed to know where they stand?

Articles like this give Higher Ed a bad name. Imagine how you would feel if you received this kind of passive-aggressive response after asking your boss for a raise, or asking the mechanic when your car will be ready, or asking your contractor when your home repairs will be finished, etc. etc.

College instructors provide both education and grading, usually at high prices, so that students can both learn new things and get good jobs when they graduate. Get used to it.

Author, No Sucker Left Behind, at 11:25 am EST on March 4, 2008

Mixed expectations

A student in my college developmental writing class wrote what would have been a C paper, but he totally ignored all the suggestions given to him on the peer review and just reprinted the previous draft without any changes. I gave him a C- and wrote comments that he could have gotten a B- if he had followed the directions from the peer review. When I returned the papers, he looked at his grade and, without reading any of my comments, immediately began high-fiving with his classmates because he passed! He then crumpled (and crumbled) up the paper and threw it in the waste basket.

Another time a B+ student in the Running Start program had worked extremely hard, so I gave her the benefit of the doubt and upped her final grade to 3.5 based on the progress she had made. She ended up in my office crying because her high school would record the grade as an A- and she needed at least a 3.7 for the high school to record it as an A!

Now, I just flat out tell sutdents what their grades are and they can decide what is or isn’t good.

bluechip, Faculty at Green River Community College, at 11:25 am EST on March 4, 2008

Between Frizbane and Terry what else needs to be said? I hate grading, love some of my students, some love me. What the hell?

Vincent Spina, dr, at 11:45 am EST on March 4, 2008

Thanks Vincent

May I add that I have long admired the art of brevity; albeit from afar. Sadly, I have never mastered it.

Frizbane manley, at 12:55 pm EST on March 4, 2008

This is pitiful. You should be more compassionate toward your students. Not everyone can afford to endorse the whole “grades aren’t everything” policy that you endorse. Didn’t YOU ever worry about your grades in undergrad? Did YOU ever ask a professor for an early notification? What about those students who might be applying to graduate school? I think this is an “ivory tower” situation. To academics, this might be a somewhat familiar annoyance, but to the rest of the world you sound like a silly elitist. THere are people in the world who have to do back-breaking labor to make scraps, and you’re complaining about answering an annoying question? Suck it up, and stop your whining.

Nate, at 12:55 pm EST on March 4, 2008

What’s wrong with a little dialogue?

I you are worried about students putting grades ahead of learning, then use the grade question to initiate conversation about what is going on in class. If the student’s grade is high you can discuss what part of the subject most interests them; if the grade is lower than expected you have a chance to clear up some misunderstandings and maybe even nudge the student into a less disinterested approach. How is that a bad thing?

dorothy, at 1:30 pm EST on March 4, 2008

Did any of you try to have students do a self evalaution/grade?

If you have been clear about expectations, I am betting they will do what mine ususally have done- grade themselves hard than you do.

The key is the up front expectations thing.Here is where well discussed syllabus, scoring guides, rubrics and listening to and answering questions comes in— I think this is all part of the art of teaching-

mary, at 1:40 pm EST on March 4, 2008

Honesty in revealing grades

Terry,

I, too, am puzzled by this piece. I have always believed in being honest with students. I have no trouble discussing their grades with them at any point during the semester or after. I always accompany the request with a discussion of how they can improve and what they are learning. I find that’s what students want. Good luck.

DC

Dan Close, Associate Professor at Wichita State University, at 2:05 pm EST on March 4, 2008

grading the grader and the grader

The trouble with students and grades is that some students and teachers think that the grade is given. It is not given. Any good or reasonably good teacher has standards, ways of assessing learning and performance. The trouble with students crying about their grades is that it makes it seem that the teacher “gives them.” Once the teacher makes clear what the expectations are, and what the assessment tools are, and gives some training exercises so that the students know what is expected of them in the test or graded assignment, everything will be clearer. Of course, the anxiety about the grade will continue, because unless the student is a blockhead, he/she wants to succeed, hence the worry about the grades. But at least he/she won’t bug the teacher to raise the grade, or present last minute gigantic excuses for bad performance in a plea to re-do the assignment.

Elisia, at 3:10 pm EST on March 4, 2008

What if the student has a valid case?

I wish I could say I’ve always gotten grading right, but I haven’t. I try hard to be consistent, but so many factors go into grading that it’s hard not to err in one direction or the other. So when a student appeals a grade, I try to take the arguments seriously and review how I arrived at the grade. Occasionally I’ll change it by a plus or minus. But my policy is never to tell students individually “on the fly” what their grades are. They seem to understand “policy,” even if they don’t like it. On a matter raised by another person’s comment, if I grade a first draft and give my students a chance to revise it, I tell them that failure to revise, including taking my comments into account, will result in an F. Sticking with the original grade is not an option.

Damon Hickey, at 3:35 pm EST on March 4, 2008

“College Consumers”

Author: “As an advocate for students and other college consumers, I find this article very disturbing. When students go to college, they are paying high prices for educational services, and they deserve to be treated with respect.”

Respect is a two way street and grade grubbing, however passive, doesn’t inspire reciprocal respect. If I viewed myself merely as an Educational Service Provider, and my students merely as “College Consumers,” I might think like you do. Until then, I’m going to blow off mid-semester “what’s my grade?” requests just like the author of this piece. Get used to it.

“Articles like this give Higher Ed a bad name.” yawn. . . bored now. . . the last half of your post was totally somnolent. . .

Brian, Asst Prof at Large Midwest U, at 4:40 pm EST on March 4, 2008

Sad to see such an out of touch and anti-student article.

irt, at 4:45 am EST on March 5, 2008

I thought I read this essay fairly carefully, but I still can’t figure out your justification for not sharing the final grade with the student. Wasp aside...for god’s sake, the student’s came to your office, the grading is finished — if the grades are relatively cut and dry (as your appreciation of the “rise of the syllabus” indicates), what in the world are you afraid of?

M, Instructor at an Illinois community college, at 10:20 am EST on March 5, 2008

The wasp

Much discussion about compassion for students. So, what about the wasp? In my experience, most wasps that come into buildings are sluggish and far from aggressive. They are easy to capture and take outside. Just invert a glass or cup over the wasp, slip a piece of paper under it, invert, and go to the nearest window (or door, if your windows are hermetically sealed as most are in today’s academic buildings) to release the creature. No need to kill by swatting or by poisoning the (your) air. And you’ll feel better because of your act of compassion.

B, at 5:05 pm EST on March 5, 2008

Veracity in Educational Ethics

Veracity is a principle in ethics that I personally believe needs a compelling greater good to violate. It is a privilege and honor to be a full time faculty member. I simply do not understand the logic of intentionally lying to students. Our profession does have a code of ethics. Perhaps there is a need for an article about our ethical codes as educators.

Joan Morris, ARNP, instructor at USF Tampa, at 8:55 am EST on March 6, 2008

Tell it like it is!

Maybe I’m a little too young (first year as a TA), but I fully believe in being honest with my students. I’ll tell them their exact grade, no matter how good or bad it is.

I’m disappointed that a lot of professors want to tap dance around the topic. I hope that I don’t become that cynical as I grow older.

Robert, PhD Student, at 9:45 am EST on March 6, 2008

The grades the thing...

As a former graduate student of Terry’s, I can say that his “don’t ask me about grades” policy is one that I respected so much, I I’ve adopted it as one of my own policies now that I’m teaching. Now, before the self-righteous outcries, you must know that Terry welcomed any sort of discussion about the paper—the topic, the content, the research, the focus, the grammer, or whatever. He just wouldn’t entertain the sniveling, whining, student who thinks that he/she is somehow qualified to determine what constitutes an A or a B or what differentiates a C from a D.

Of course, I have made errors, but I insist that all grade changes initiate with me. Once the student suggests, insists, or asks for a grade change, all bets are off. I mean, really, once you talk “grade,” the subject matter, content, and everything else important about the assignment is lost, anyway.

Jeff, at 12:20 pm EST on March 6, 2008

grades are earned and we should be willing to talk about them

Students are people, our people for the time that we have them in our classrooms. In the spirit of encouraging cooperation and respect, we should be willing to discuss grades with students. I am far from a perfect grader, but all of my writing assignments have rubrics associated with them and these rubrics are included in the syllabus with all of the other policies/practices unique to my classes.

Sometimes when students and I disagree on a grade, I ask them to sit with the rubric and self-evaluate. After this exercise, they usually understand why they received a particular grade and I have never had a negative exchange using this technique. We should show respect towards our students, not because they are customers, but because they are human beings who are trying to improve their lot in life at a time when the economy will surely challenge them more than our classes.

As a last resort for the rude whiners we sometimes have to deal with, I tell them that their absences, performance, level of excellence in writing/testing earned them a low grade and that their fate rests with their choices. Existentialist yes, confrontational no.

phree, dr., at 2:00 pm EST on March 6, 2008

Ugh! I know; don’t tell me!

Ugh; I just read over my own comment, and yes, I realize that I misspelled grammar as “grammer.” Since I realized this on my own, can I possibly have my grade changed?

Jeff, at 10:15 pm EST on March 6, 2008

Evaluation

I hate grading, but I’ve always been transparent about it. I believe that students should never be surprised by their final grades, just as employees should never be surprised by their annual evaluations. “How am I doing?” is a fair question, and it deserves a thoughtful answer.

Diane, at 2:00 pm EDT on March 27, 2008

I am thrilled to discuss grades with my students — I teach at a small private institution where many of my students are first-generation college goers. Many of them are struggling to adjust from high school to college life, and to learn the “rules of the game". Many of them don’t yet understand that they need to take a more active role in all aspects of their education. So if a student comes to see me during office hours to check in on their grade, it shows me that they are taking initiative, and I’m thrilled.

What doesn’t thrill me is my college’s policy on posting Mid Term grades on the Banner system. Instead of coming to talk to me — so I can discuss strategies for doing better in class, or help direct student’s interests — they only need to go online. This, to me completely undermines the role of the instructor, and the importance of real-time relationships and support networks in helping all students to succeed.

Lori, Talking is Good, Posting is Bad, at 3:00 pm EDT on March 28, 2008

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