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March 14
A friend of mine will be graduating with a bachelor’s degree in public policy from Duke University this spring. He has had two competitive internships, high grades and has been an active force on campus. Finding a job will still be a problem. Why? Because he is an international student. “Unfortunately, I won’t be eligible for this year’s H1 (work permit) visa pool (given out by a lottery),” he told me. “That may mean I’ll have to leave the country again for a short period of time. I am a Canadian citizen and so am trying to use that to my advantage but it could still get messy.” Even having a job offer from a top-notch company no longer provides any certainty in being able to work in the U.S. for many international students that come here from all across the globe, spending money, energy and years of their life to chase the “American Dream.”
According to the U.S. State Department, “U.S. law requires that most people who apply for nonimmigrant visas must provide evidence that they do not intend to immigrate to the United States.” A student visa is classified as a nonimmigrant visa and therefore all international students intending to study in the United States are required to prove to the consular officer in their country that they do not intend to remain in the United States after they finish their degrees.
American academic leaders talk a great deal about the importance of foreign students — about how we bring expertise to academic programs, diversity and international perspective to campuses, and how we bring American values of democracy back home with us. All of those things are true, but it may also be time to end the silence with which both American academic leaders and foreign students pretend that many foreign students don’t want to stay in the U.S. after graduation and pretend that it makes sense to invest millions of dollars in students — only to kick them out of the country before they can contribute to the U.S. economy.
A vast majority of my international student peers at Duke University desire to stay and work in the U.S. after completing their graduate degrees, at least in the short-term. The same is true for foreign students at most colleges in the United States. However they face a difficult quandary in trying to find a job. Most employers are looking for students with U.S. permanent residency or citizenship, but in order to obtain those, students need a job — somewhat of a “chicken and egg” dilemma. A master’s of engineering management student student I know from Turkey was turned away at a recent career fair by several company booths by signs saying “U.S. Citizens only” or “International Students do not apply”.
“International companies ask for ‘only American Citizen’ applicants, which I find a little bit weird,” he said. This is an increasingly common occurrence at career fairs across the country, as work permit visas dry up extremely quickly and fewer employers are willing to sponsor an international student for a work permit, a laborious and expensive process. In a recent survey conducted by the International Student Concerns Committee of the National Association of Graduate and Professional Students, preliminary results indicate that the main concern for an overwhelming majority of international students is employment upon graduation.
An international graduate who wished to remain anonymous had this to say about the difficulties he is facing despite working at a prestigious financial firm. He did not get a work permit visa in the visa lottery, which is how these visas are given out. He said, “The whole process of applying for a [work] visa and the massive amounts of paperwork, the heartache of never being sure what’s going to happen, and the fact that I don’t know where I’m going to be even three months from now, quite frankly, is a pain. I think I am accretive to society and I deserve better.”
Obviously international students see the anti-immigrant movement that has so much influence in American politics today. Most of this is meant to target illegal immigration but also ends up affecting legal immigrants such as international students, who fill in huge reams of paperwork and jump over many hurdles to maintain their legal status. And international students know that immigration can be a sensitive issue — as it is in some of our home nations. But other countries are not so quick to turn away those most likely to help their economies.
Canada, Australia and Britain are all countries with a point-based system that awards potential immigrants based on their education, time in the country and so on that enables them to obtain permanent residency. This includes students, and does not usually require an employer to sponsor a student through this process. As students around the world decide where to go for their higher education, these countries suddenly appear more attractive when the prospects of staying and working after graduation are considered.
So why should we be concerned about international students at all? As we trend towards a knowledge-based economy, it is imperative that we remain competitive in the global marketplace. More and more professions now require graduate degrees. According to a study by the Institute of International Education, at the end of 2005, there were 565,039 international students studying in the United States, contributing $13.3 billion to the economy — just in tuition and living expenditures. Of these students, 48.6 percent were graduate and professional students, who additionally contribute by teaching courses, conducting research for professors, and going on to become key contributors in driving the knowledge-based economy. Due to more aggressive recruitment by other countries, difficulties in getting visas, and hurdles to being able to stay and work after obtaining their graduate degrees, many foreign graduate students are leaving the United States to work in other countries. This is a vital loss to the U.S. economy and undermines America’s competitive edge.
A recent study by Vivek Wadhwa, executive-in-residence at Duke University, showed that the percentage of foreign nationals contributing to U.S. international patent applications — the ones that give the U.S. a global edge — increased 331 percent in 8 years. Allowing these foreign nationals to stay in the U.S. will immensely increase the country’s edge in science and technology. According to a Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation study, “more than half of the foreign-born founders of U.S. technology and engineering businesses initially came to the United States to study as international students. They typically founded companies after working and residing in the United States for an average of 13 years.”
Immigrant entrepreneurs that come here as international students, start businesses that generate American jobs and tax revenue and maintain the competitive edge of the US in the global economy. According to another study by the foundation, “more than one million skilled immigrant workers, including scientists, engineers, doctors and researchers and their families, are competing for 120,000 permanent U.S. resident visas each year, creating a sizeable imbalance likely to fuel a “reverse brain-drain” with skilled workers returning to their home country.”
If American universities and American politicians want to help higher education and the economy, it’s time to move beyond just lobbying to get foreign students into the country for a few years – but to talk about why it makes sense to welcome many for their careers.
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America should be welcoming foreign students with open arms. It only makes America a better country to have a more educated workforce with a wide range of skills.
Robert, PhD Student, at 8:20 am EDT on March 14, 2008
Mr. Pandiyan is exactly right. It’s in the U.S.’s economic interest to allow students who complete a Bachelor’s or higher degree to be able to change status on graduation from F-1 to permanent resident.
But more than that, it shouldn’t be so difficult to become a student here in the first place. I spent a year as an international student advisor, PDSO of a small university, and there were many perfectly qualified prospective students who wouldn’t make it through the visa process.
The irony is that one of the stated objectives is for international students to become familiar with the United States and thus increase the good feeling toward America back in their country. When the only experience that many prospective students get is rejection based on the suspicion that they only wish to emigrate, that objective is entirely compromised.
Steve Foerster, at 8:35 am EDT on March 14, 2008
Mr. Pandiyan has a point, no doubt about that. But there are more than a few U.S. citizens completing graduate programs these days who are not finding jobs for which they have credentials.
In addition – and you must know I am in favor of expanding opportunities for foreign students educated in the U.S. – I can get on-line and, without even trying, find scores upon scores of URLs for college and university departments like the ones below (they are ubiquitous) ...
http://www.siue.edu/MATH/faculty.html
http://www.business.uconn.edu/cms/p204
http://www.ee.ucla.edu/Faculty-regular.htm
http://www.bus.umich.edu/Academics/Departments/Finance/Faculty.htm
https://me-web2.engin.umich.edu/zope/pubdir/currentindex
http://www.eecs.ucf.edu/people/faculty_professors.php
It’s not enough to look at names of faculty ... that can be very misleading. Start clicking on the faculty members’ links to see where these folks got there undergraduate degrees. If you spend a little time doing this, you’ll wonder if the soon-to-be Dr. Pandiyan has a point at all.
Frizbane Manley, Professor of Political Science at Duke University, at 1:20 pm EDT on March 14, 2008
Excellent article Gautham! The framers of this country wanted bold, courageous and forward minded scholars and entrepreneurs to make America a nation for everybody despite their color, gender, ethnicity, or national origin. Our history clearly depicts how the US was shaped until now and if we did not allow such scholars and entrepreneur to explore their talents and intelligent we will lose an important generation in the future of the US. Let’s not allow our fear to isolate our future of this great nation. Let’s pedal forward to make America as the nation our founders intended…
Nithy S.R,, at 10:10 am EDT on March 17, 2008
What Frizbane Manley clearly fails to realize is that the evidence he is providing actually more plausibly supports one of Pandiyan’s points rather than Manley’s implicit claim, which is that it is easy for international students to get jobs. Remaining competitive in the global marketplace involves technological competence and expertise. Notice that the departments linked to are engineering, math and business departments — areas crucial to the American economy (much more so than political science). Manley’s evidence indicates that international students are needed to fill (or more competently fill) vital faculty posts, with the implication that US citizens are not as willing or well qualified. The argument for employing these people over less well qualifed natives can be generalized, underscoring Pandiyan’s call for greater visa leniency. What Manley’s links do not do is show that qualified US citizens are being discriminated against, nor do they refute the claim that there are limited opportunities for international students to work in the US after they have finished their programs.
JO, political science grad student, at 12:10 pm EDT on March 17, 2008
Let’s see, did Manley say Mr. Pandiyan had a point?
Hmmm, did Manley say he is “in favor of expanding opportunities for foreign students educated in the U.S.?”
Does JO deny that “more than a few U.S. citizens completing graduate programs these days are not finding jobs for which they have credentials?”
http://www.geoffdavis.net/papers/market/market.html
Does JO not know the dangers of misinterpreting someone else’s “implicit claims,” especially when that someone has a reputation for rather bluntly saying precisely what he intends to say.
“More competently fill” and “Over less well qualified natives” ... I’ll let those unsupported-by-evidence statements ride.
Please tell me where Manley claimed that “qualified U.S. citizens are being discriminated against”?
If JO is so certain Mr. Pandiyan is describing a critical problem for either the U.S. or the foreign Ph.D. students, I suggest he read these ...
http://pubs.acs.org/hotartcl/cenear/961028/foreignemp.html
http://chronicle.com/colloquy/99/americanu/background.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/200106...chive/0399/032999/stossel032999.html
http://nber.nber.org/~peat/PapersFolder/Papers/SG/NSF.html
Finally, I trust JO is a native graduate student. Most of the international students in my classes read with much greater clarity than s/he.
P.S.
The following chart shows the percent of foreign students receiving Ph.D.s in the U.S. in 1999 who were “working” in the country in 2000 and 2001 (Source: Oak Ridge Associated Universities).
Discipline ...................................... Total ...... 2000 ....2001
Physical science ............................ 1,615 ........ 80 ...... 79
Mathematics/computer sciences ...... 821 ........ 76 ....... 75
Agricultural science ......................... 487 ........ 54 ....... 50
Life science ................................... 2,058 ........ 79 ....... 77
Computer/EE engineering ................ 711 ........ 83 ....... 80
Other engineering .......................... 1,807 ........ 74 ....... 73
Economics ......................................... 553 ........ 47 ...... 46
Other social science ........................... 718 ....... 54 ...... 55
Total, all degree fields ..................... 8,770 ....... 73 ...... 71
Frizbane Manley, at 5:55 am EDT on March 19, 2008
Just having the credentials for a job does not mean one is guaranteed a job — the job market is a sorting mechanism designed to differentiate between people who all have the credentials (PhD’s presumably). Many immigrant PhD’s (myself included) are aware of the discrimination against us and try to overcome it by working much harder at differentiating ourselves from others (e.g. by may be having more published work before we go on the job market etc.).
In addition while immigration law is loaded against the immigrant job search it is relatively more lenient toward academic jobs than non academic jobs — e.g. I understand that these days the H1B cap does not apply to academic institutions hiring PhD’s (or at least there are more H1B slots available at the academic job level).
In addition, since most academic jobs are filled through national searches it is much easier to document that if an immigrant is hired then they were the best candidate for the job. This documentation makes the green card process relatively less onerous for academic job seekers — the very act of hiring an immigrant who is by definition more expensive to hire (legal and other costs) reveals the hiring institution’s preference for that candidate over others.
Therefore it is not at all surprising that immigrants will be reasonably well represented in academics — since they do form a large part of PhD grants in many fields. The point of course the author makes is that it is much harder for immigrants to find jobs in the private sector. In other words all the evidence (I suppose arbitrary web links are a form of evidence) thrown up by correspondents before me miss the point. Making a clear pointed argument is part of a faculty member’s job description — it seems like the sorting process in the academic job market is working!
Atin Basu, Associate Professor at Virginia Military Institute, at 11:15 am EDT on March 19, 2008
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N.C. Immigration
My parents entered the U.S. as international scholars near Duke U. What they did NOT have to deal with is the tidal wave of illegal — yes, illegal — immigration that has swamped the Tar Heel State.
For one group to go from 77,000 in 1990 to 600,000 by 2006 results in overcrowded schools, hospitals, and other facilities. One large, unbelievable mess of bureaucratic inaction and future costs.
It is difficult to have rational discussions in the middle of a tidal wave. And to those about to bemoan the fate of the “undocumented” — give up your job first and give up your neighborhood first. See if it is enjoyable.
Rule of law. Not open-border anarchy, as Mr. Baca would allow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/14visa.html?ref=us
P.P.C., at 8:20 am EDT on March 14, 2008