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June 6, 2008

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I've been thinking a lot about death lately.

Don't worry—I'm not clinically depressed or gravely ill. None of my pets or loved ones passed away last week. I've been thinking about death because I've been watching Shelly Kagan (Clark Professor of Philosophy at Yale University) talk about death, at open.yale.edu. That's where Yale has posted a complete series of his lectures from Philosophy 176 -- i.e. "Death" -- as part of the Open Yale Course project. There are also courses on astronomy, psychology, religious studies, physics and more, all for free. It's pretty cool.

Shelly (he tells his students to call him that) lectures on a wooden stage in an auditorium-style classroom, in front of an old-fashioned chalkboard. He favors jeans and black Converse All-Star-type sneakers, and likes to sit cross-legged on his desk as he explains Plato's views on the immortality of the soul. He's a talented lecturer and I appreciate what he has to say. I'd like to think that I'm wiser having watched the course, that my powers of reasoning are a little more nimble, that my inevitable death makes a little more sense.

And yet, I would like one more thing from Yale. A small thing, but an important one.

I would like a grade.

I recognize that -- unlike sending video to my computer over the Internet -- the marginal cost of giving me a grade is not zero. So I'd be willing to pay. Student grades in Philosophy 176 are primarily determined by three papers. Shelly says grad students do the grading, under his supervision. So I think a fair price would be whatever amount of time it takes them to grade my papers, as a percentage of their total working hours, multiplied by their annual compensation, plus Yale's standard administrative overhead, with a little extra for Shelly's supervision and initial course development costs thrown in. Back of the envelope, I'm guessing this should amount to several hundred dollars, but if it's more or less, just let me know.

And if my grades on the papers are good enough, I would like Yale to mail me an official document of some sort recognizing this fact. I would like credit, in other words, for my new understanding of death. Credit that I could apply, if I wish, toward a degree at Yale, or any other institution of higher learning that will have me.

I'm joking -- sort of. The odds of Yale actually taking my money, grading my papers, and granting credit are rather long. And I understand why.

Universities like Yale are built on exclusivity and the status it brings. Only the best scholars can teach there; only the best students can attend. For nearly all of the first 300 years of Yale's existence, there was no real alternative -- the only way to get a Yale education was to live in New Haven, and there are limits to how large a physical university campus can be. This was to Yale's benefit, because exclusivity turned out to be a great business. Yale has become immensely rich and famous over the centuries, and it sells the perfect product for the 21st Century: branded intellectual property. Kind of like Microsoft, but without having to pay taxes or file forms with the SEC.

But even as information technology is changing our economy in ways that make exclusive college degrees ever more valuable, it's also giving institutions like Yale new opportunities to be less exclusive, by educating people at a distance. This creates an ethical dilemma for Yale and its ilk. Hoarding intellectual resources in an era where they can be distributed far and wide at no cost seems selfish and counter to the spirit of higher education. But distributing those resources too far and wide could undermine the exclusivity on which Yale's fame and fortune are based.

The Open Course Web site is an attempt to split the difference. Yale has clearly thought the implications of this through, which is why the fine print says "Open Yale Courses does not grant degrees or certificates" and "Its purpose is not to duplicate a Yale education." Yale's approach -- free courses, but no credit -- is consistent with similar efforts at other universities, such as MIT's OpenCourseWare initiative and the Open Learning Initiative at Carnegie Mellon.

I don't doubt that the intent was not to duplicate a Yale education. But the question of whether it actually does duplicate a Yale education seems open to question.

As near as I can tell, taking "Death" consists of four discrete activities: listening to Shelly lecture, doing the assigned readings, attending discussion sections, and writing three papers. The experience of the first two can be replicated perfectly at a distance, and the fourth could be, if Yale so chose. That leaves the discussion sections, which I'm sorry I missed. They could, of course, be replicated imperfectly, via chat room or what have you, at very little cost, and I'm told such features are coming soon.

The question of how much I missed by being left out of the discussions, however, can be determined empirically. That's what grades are for. If my three papers aren't good enough, then don't give me credit. If they are, then the imperfect duplication of a Yale education was, by definition, close enough.

There are obviously some limits to all of this. The number of people who could theoretically watch Shelly's discourse on death is essentially unrestricted. The number of papers Yale can grade is not. But it's surely greater than the number Yale is grading now. The costs would be paid from new revenues, and I'm guessing Yale could hire instructors or others more than competent to grade.

The world is extremely large and, comparatively speaking, Yale is very small. It could easily credential ten times, a hundred times more students over the Internet than it currently does in New Haven. Students would have more incentives to take great Yale courses, and the number of valuable Yale-certified learners would increase. This would rankle those who value Yale's exclusivity over the bounty of knowledge, culture, and insight the university could potentially provide. But that's a morally suspect position. Who cares what such people think?

Writing in the New York Times a few years before he died, famous Yale alumnus William F. Buckley defended legacy admissions policies by noting that "there are tribal instincts in life" and "colleges and universities are part of life." True enough. The question is whether Yale and other fantastically wealthy colleges that husband their precious brand names will continue to act on those instincts, or will instead take the new opportunities that technology provides to help as many people as they can.

Kevin Carey is research and policy manager at Education Sector. His previous column was about the demise of the proposed "unit record" system.

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Comments on What's Missing From 'Open' Courses

  • Can you please email?
  • Posted by John Dehlin , Director at OCW Consortium on June 6, 2008 at 10:35am EDT
  • Kevin,

    Can you please email? I would love to discuss.

  • There are two questions here
  • Posted by Ira Socol at Michigan State University on June 6, 2008 at 10:35am EDT
  • The first is the obvious one: Why does Kevin Carey need a grade to validate his own education? If he has, as he says, "been thinking a lot about death lately," and considering all the streams of thought brought forth in Professor Kagan's course, then he has accomplished the purpose of the course, and he can study further or move on to something else.

    As in the perfect Good Will Hunting quote: "...you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a f***in education you coulda got for a dollah fifty in late chahges at the public library" The reasons Mr. Carey wants the grade is that (a) the education system has trained him to require external validation before he believes he has learned something, and (b) we live in a credentialist society where the paper is more important than the reality (a posture which has proved stunningly profitable for the education industry).

    The second questions relates to the motivations of the US education system. But it seems to me that there is no real incentive for that system to reach for universal access or universal success. - http://speedchange.blogspot.com/2008/04/not-getting-to-universal-design.html - Yale graduates have no economic or social status motivation to want there to be more Yale graduates. University graduates in general have no economic or social status motivation for there to be more university graduates. Expansion would only uncomfortably increase competition. This reaches all the way up and down the education structure. University faculty have no real reason to want to increase the PhD count, and secondary school teachers would probably really rather there not be twice as many qualified graduates competing with their own children for coveted university admissions.

    Education is, first and foremost, a method of dividing those who will succeed from those who won't. That is the idea behind the use of grading, the emphasis on credentials, the costs of higher education, and much more. Which explains why Mr. Carey wants the grade, and why Yale won't give him one.

  • Yale open courses
  • Posted by Betty on June 6, 2008 at 11:10am EDT
  • Ever since the "assessment" movement started, the knottiest question has been, "Are the colleges causing learning or are they merely validating knowledge?" Part of the answer is that colleges have to receive some money from the student or somebody else in order to do either one (which is the point of this article), but another part of the answer is that we have a habit of equating learning with seat time, and we have to get away from that obsolete but politically central idea. The classic Oxford model, which is much closer to the validation model, would not be allowed to exist in the United States because we equate work (faculty work) with physical and temporally measured effort of the agricultural and industrial eras. The writer of this article even does this.

  • Sure
  • Posted by Kevin Carey , Research and Policy Manager at Education Sector on June 6, 2008 at 11:25am EDT
  • John,

    I'd be happy to discuss. What's your email address? Mine is listed here: http://www.educationsector.org/profiles/profiles_show.htm?doc_id=336135&attrib_id=12243

  • Posted by Matt on June 6, 2008 at 11:45am EDT
  • Good assessment Kevin. Hopefully, they will go for helping as many people as they can, which is really part of who we should be as a nation, rather than an elitist stratified society. We, at least in theory, say that we are a nation that allows all people to take them as far as their talents and abilities allow them. Sadly, this is not how it really is. ACDC was right, money does talk.

    I think our current President demonstrates this quite effectively as one who was promoted many levels beyond his competency and is ironically a product of the Yale brand! Did he go as far as his talent could take him? Surely, it wasn't the money or social-economic status, right? I guess we can interview him at his library at SMU when he leaves office or possibly chat with him at his home in Highland Park in Dallas, while our men and women (none of them Yale grads) are still dying in Iraq.

  • It costs more than you suggest
  • Posted by Tyler Bickford at Columbia University on June 8, 2008 at 9:40pm EDT
  • It's worth noting that the labor that grades those papers is seriously undervalued in the model you propose for distance education. The grad students who grade the papers are underpayed and in the midst of a long term contentious battle for union rights with Yale. And the "instructors or others more than competent to grade" who might be hired to supplement the TAs currently doing the grading would almost certainly be paid a pittance. Now, this is how the university currently works (http://howtheuniversityworks.com), for sure, but that doesn't make it ideal. Ideally knowledge is credentialled by people who have professional degrees, a history of contribution to their discipline, and the review of their colleagues -- that is, professors. If professors were grading all those papers, or even adequately compensated TAs or adjuncts, the costs you outline wouldn't be so small. That the university system is currently in a fit of hyper-casualization doesn't mean that we should wish for its extension. Expanding the distribution of academic knowledge can't be sustainable if it's done at the expense of the people who dedicate their lives and labor to that teaching.

  • Posted by Assistant Research Cynic at Enormous State University on June 9, 2008 at 4:50am EDT
  • The goal of a course is not the production of undergraduate papers, of which there is already an oversupply. This calls into question the premise that if the author can produce satisfactory papers, he must therefore get credit for the course. I'd also like to know if, when Shelly or the TA (hopefully Shelly) ask to meet with him to discuss the papers, he's going to ask them to do it on a videocon, and pay them for their time. If you've never met the student, it's hard to assess whether the written work truly reflects the amount of knowledge they've gained from the course. (I'm talking in general, not just about the problem of cheating, although of course that is a huge issue.)

    In order to economically grade all of these papers, of course, Yale is going to have to hire more TAs. Even if Yale didn't already have a bad rap for labor relations, the wisdom of pouring more grad students into the pipeline when we know they can't all get faculty jobs is questionable. You could try making grading the papers a living-wage job. If you start paying the graders $50K + benefits rather than $20K + student health service, the economics of this idea are going to change.

    There are ways to question the distorting effect that elite-status colleges have on the higher-ed system, but this doesn't strike me as a promising avenue. Except for people who look forward to making bank off distance learning. If you want inexpensive credit from writing an essay, take the AP test.

  • Posted by Bryan McCarthy , A Yale Perspective at Yale on July 28, 2008 at 8:15pm EDT
  • I thought this article was quite thought-provoking and important. However, after further reflection, I found that there are several points to be made that controvert or at very least problematize some of the claims in it.

    1) Kevin says: "The question of how much I missed by being left out of the discussions, however, can be determined empirically. That’s what grades are for. If my three papers aren’t good enough, then don’t give me credit."

    The problem here is that most professors do not see the papers as a way of determining how much a student has gotten or missed from the class, discussions, etc., but as another means of getting something from the class. Some of the great papers in a given class often come from people who have chosen not to go to the discussion sections AT ALL (which, by the way, often reflects in their grade). Furthermore, discussion dialectic and paper-writing are two very different endeavours and entail not only overlapping, but also non-overlapping skill sets. This is easy to tell by observing these endeavours for those of us who are much better at one than the other.

    2) Kevin says: "For nearly all of the first 300 years of Yale’s existence, there was no real alternative — the only way to get a Yale education was to live in New Haven, and there are limits to how large a physical university campus can be." Later, he says: "I don’t doubt that the intent was not to duplicate a Yale education. But the question of whether it actually does duplicate a Yale education seems open to question."

    I think he's right that this is an open question, but I think that ultimately the answer to it is going to be "no." My reasoning is this: First of all, I think that part of what the Open Yale Courses website means when they say that they don't intend to duplicate a Yale education is that they don't intend to put enough courses up to allow you take a whole degree's worth of them. Second, I think that what Kevin is imagining when he speaks of what one could get out of watching Open Yale Courses and doing the readings, etc., would be more aptly described by the phrase "Yale exposure" or something along those lines. The other part of what I think the Yale Open Courses website has in mind when it uses the words "Yale education," is something much more holistic than what can be had from afar by computer. Kevin says: "Universities like Yale are built on exclusivity and the status it brings. Only the best scholars can teach there; only the best students can attend." This is somewhat debatable, of course, but on the whole, it has some truth to it. Taking this principle with its degree of truth therefore, the consequence is that by being enrolled in Yale, you have the great majority of your conversations for the 1-8+ years (depending on program) with these "best" people. They are your mentors, your friends, your roommates, your enemies, everything. They call it the "Yale Bubble" up here. So a "Yale education" means not just that you've heard Yale lectures and had Yale professors grade your papers (you could get the latter just by submitting papers to an academic journal); it means being part of the Yale "world" (to use the Heidegger term in one of its senses). Therefore, I think it is still the case that "the only way to get a Yale education was to live in New Haven."

    Of course, the idea that a "Yale education" means something in particular does not mean that you will be able to expect the same standard of quality from every individual who has one. It is no secret that "buying a Yale education" is both possible and done. In the event that you meet someone who makes you scratch your head when you find out they went to Yale, it should be remembered that Yale can't completely change the raw material with which it works.

    3) Kevin says that if his proposal were implemented, "...the number of valuable Yale-certified learners would increase. This would rankle those who value Yale’s exclusivity over the bounty of knowledge, culture, and insight the university could potentially provide. But that’s a morally suspect position. Who cares what such people think?"

    It is right for Kevin to challenge us "Yalies" on our elitism. However, I wonder if Kevin really holds the view he seems to be propounding (if I correctly interpret his comments, that is), according to which the "bounty of knowledge" available at Yale is noble for its own sake and should be shared by all. Why for instance does he want credit from Yale? Forgetting about the fact that he wants credit AT ALL (which goes against the idea of knowledge for its own sake), why credit from Yale in particular? He has both a bachelor's and a master's degree, at least that's what it says at the bottom of the page where his email is located, which he linked for John in this list of comments. Shelly's course is an undergraduate course, meaning that it would help Kevin work towards an undergraduate (bachelor's) degree. Since he already has one, this would be a SECOND undergraduate degree and second undergraduate degrees are not usually considered to be that much of a credential. My guess then (and I think it's a good one) is that he would like to have an undergraduate degree FROM YALE, which is very much considered to be a heavy credential. But if "the number of valuable Yale-certified learners would increase," the degree to which a Yale-certified learner would be credential-worthy would decrease. They are inversely proportional. This means that the very idea of valuable (credentially valuable, that is) Yale-certified learners increasing is self-contradictory. Imagine, then, that the value of Yale-certified learning went down quite a bit. Would Kevin still be interested in investing his time in not just Shelly's class, but all of the classes (a few of which very depressingly fly lower than one's expectations) needed to get a degree of the same type as one he already has (i.e., a bachelor's) and perhaps of less (or at least no more) credential-value than the one he has? My question, as I said, then, is: Is this what Kevin (or we) want? This question is far from easy to answer, in my opinion, and definitely far from as easy to answer as Kevin's article appears to make out.

    What do you think?

    Bryan

  • digital lectures can reach billions worldwide.
  • Posted by charles darwin on August 31, 2008 at 1:50pm EDT
  • the idea of physially going to lecture at 8am in new haven, conn is obsolete.

    the age of digital lectures his here and now.

    digital lectures can reach billions, worldwide, anytime, anywhere

    digital textbooks can be read by billions, worldwide

    digital colleges can be attended by billions, worldwide.

    like cell phones, computers, internet, medicine, knowledge, the idea that few should have access is now Obsolete.

    Knowledge belongs to All
    Knowledge belongs to the world.

    Idea that only 18-26 year olds who can afford 50K per year can gain access to knowledge is gone.

    Knowledge belongs to the whole world.
    Yale, like MIT should give All courses for Free.
    World will be a better place when knowledge is Free and accessible to All, All in world, anytime, anywhere