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Facing Up to Debt

July 14, 2008

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Last fall, my wife and I drove to Philadelphia for a long weekend. We spent Sunday afternoon wandering along famous Benjamin Franklin Parkway, the street that Rocky ran down before sprinting up the steps of the Philadelphia Museum of Art and raising his arms to the sky. There was some kind of fair going on that day, and the parkway was lined with food vendors, jugglers, and booths where various companies hawked their wares. Many of the companies seemed to be selling something involved with education, but it wasn't clear what. So I walked up to the booths, which were all staffed by friendly, attractive 20-somethings handing out free T-shirts, Frisbees and pens that light up if you twist them the right way. They turned out to be for-profit student loan companies. They were selling debt.

Debt, we are told, is a good thing. Cultural prohibitions against borrowing have caused whole civilizations to falter in the modern world. Our current maybe-recession has been pinned on the "credit crisis" – i.e., not enough available debt. Borrowing has become an ordinary, acceptable feature of American lives. We've come a long way since Franklin warned against becoming "a slave to the lender."

And few sectors have embraced debt with more enthusiasm than higher education. As the price of college has increased sharply in recent years, debt has followed. According to the College Board, total federal student loans increased by 61 percent in inflation-adjusted terms from 1997 to 2007, to nearly $60 billion per year. But that still wasn't enough to match rising costs -- the percent of borrowers maxing out on federal loans increased from 57 percent to 73 percent during roughly the same time. The private loan market (the nice people with the Frisbees) stepped in to fill the void, exploding from $2 billion in loans 10 years ago to over $17 billion today. More students are borrowing more money for college than ever before.

The logic is compelling: Given the huge earnings differential between college degree haves and have-nots, it seems like there's no amount of money one could borrow for higher education that wouldn't be worth it in the long run. Debt opens the doors to opportunity for people with no collateral other than the promise of their older, better-educated selves. College debt is an investment in their future, and it’s a chance that everyone feels good about taking.

But somewhere along the line our unreserved enthusiasm for college debt has gotten out of hand. It has masked tough choices and allowed pressing problems to remain unsolved, in a way that harms the most vulnerable students. This is partly because we tend to talk about debt in ways that obscure its meaning. We've allowed the lofty promise of higher education and the cold-blooded realities of borrowing to become confused. Sometimes we speak as if debt isn't debt at all.

Grants and loans, for example, are routinely bunched together under the common label of "financial aid," as when the College Board noted that "more than $130 billion in financial aid" was distributed last year. This isn't unusual -- everyone in higher education talks this way. And when federal loan programs were first established in 1965, it made some sense. Credit standards were far tighter then, and students had no recourse in the private market.

But the world has changed, dramatically so -- the debt vendors on the parkway are evidence of that. While federal loan programs undoubtedly give some students access to loans they couldn't get elsewhere, for many students the only real "aid" is the subsidy, the amount they save in terms of deferred or reduced interest compared to what they could have gotten in the private market. In an era of single-digit interest rates, the subsidy often amounts to only pennies on the dollar. Now that federal loans have a 6.8 percent fixed interest rate and PLUS loans stand at 8.5 percent, for some students there may be no subsidy at all.

It's true that the credit crisis has tightened the student loan market temporarily, but that's what crises are—temporary. As of this writing, the private lender Think Student Loans (they gave me a pen) is offering to lend students up to $250,000, with funds disbursed within 48 hours and online applications approved "in as fast as one minute." That's with no government subsidy – we're not going back to 1965. Characterizing student aid as the amount of the loan instead of the amount of the subsidy dramatically overstates the real assistance students receive.

The conflation of debt with real financial aid is abetted by individual colleges and universities, which present aid "packages" to incoming students that allegedly make up the difference between the ever-rising price of admission and the family's "expected contribution." For many students the "aid" consists mostly of lightly-subsidized debt -- as if paying money back, with interest, doesn't qualify as a "contribution." The easy conflation of real aid and debt also taints federal policy -- as with the recently-enacted "TEACH Grant" program, which purports to give grants (thus the name) to students who agree to teach in high-poverty schools. Yet due to eligibility restrictions, the U.S. Department of Education estimates, 80 percent of the "grants" will actually turn into unsubsidized loans.

Lenders, meanwhile, are eager to rhetorically bind their product with the greater good of higher education. Sallie Mae isn't so much lending money as "helping millions of Americans achieve their dream" while Nelnet "makes educational dreams possible" and Brazos promises to "help you finance your dreams." I don't fault the dream-weavers in the student loan industry for marketing their services, but seriously: when Capitol One tries to sell me a credit card or a car loan, it doesn't pretend to serve some ethereal higher purpose. It's hard not to see parallels in the sub-prime lending crisis, where unaffordable and sometimes predatory loans were dressed up in the rhetoric of homeownership.

Why does all of this matter? Because the rapid expansion of student debt, combined with the soft-pedaling of debt's true meaning, has served to forestall higher education's inevitable day of reckoning when it comes to price. While a few massively wealthy institutions have recently taken steps to reduce borrowing at the margins for the middle- and upper-middle class, constantly rising prices and debt to match remain the norm elsewhere

There are two main culprits here. Traditional colleges and universities, protected from competition by regulatory barriers and buoyed by public subsidies and rising demand, have managed to avoid most of the difficult choices inherent to becoming more efficient and restraining price. There are exceptions -- University of Maryland Chancellor Brit Kirwan has held down tuition in recent years by cutting operating costs, centralizing purchasing, and increasing faculty productivity (with the support of the faculty). At the same time, the Maryland system re-focused student aid dollars on lower-income students, reducing their need to borrow. Unfortunately, few other higher education leaders can make similar claims.

Governors and state legislatures, meanwhile, often treat universities and students as revenue source during economic downturns, shifting the funding burden to tuition as a means of softening the impact of fiscal crises brought about by their incompetent stewardship of the public treasury.

Debt has been an enabler for both groups. By grabbing money from the future income streams of students and parents, colleges and policymakers have managed to put off hard choices today.

The consequences of these bad actions have largely been hidden from public view. Student loan default rates have been a non-issue since the early 1990s, when federal policymakers cracked down on unscrupulous fly-by-night colleges that were abusing the system. But the most commonly-used measures -- the institutional two-year default rates that were established after the scandals -- are seriously flawed. As my colleague Erin Dillon recently noted, the average time to default is four years. While widely-reported 2-year default rates hover below 5 percent, the 10-year default rate for low-income students is more than 15 percent. For students who borrow more than $15,000, it's more than 20 percent. For black students, it's nearly 40 percent. These numbers, moreover, are for students who graduated from a four-year college. Default rates for drop-outs, of which there are many in higher education, are substantially worse. But since colleges get paid up front, and the federal government guarantees most lenders' loans, there are few incentives for those institutions to care.

The tectonic shift toward debt-financed higher education reinforces the notion that college is a fundamentally private good -- exactly the wrong message in a time when the nation's collective prosperity is increasingly tied to competition for information-age jobs that can cross national borders with ease. It has embroiled college financial aid offices in embarrassing scandals. It limits the life choices of debt-burdened graduates, and can devastate the financial futures of those who default. It fuels inefficiency, price escalation and public disinvestment in higher education while transferring scarce resources from families and students to financial giants' bottom line. Debt in moderation is the right choice for some students, some of the time. But it's no substitute for efficiently-run universities supported by real aid policies for students in need. Higher education debt has grown into far too much of a good thing.

Kevin Carey is research and policy manager at Education Sector. His previous column examined transfer from two- to four-year institutions.

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  • It gets worse...much worse
  • Posted by Alan Collinge , Founder at Studentloanjustice.org on July 14, 2008 at 4:55am EDT
  • I applaud this piece wholeheartedley.

    However, what is left out is the enthusiasm with which the industry defaults loans, attaches massive penalties, fees, and collection costs onto the debt, ruthlessly pursues misfortunate borrowers to pay the hugely increased amounts, and most of all, the multitude of basic, standard consumer protections that Congress legislated away that made this all possible.

    Most importantly, this piece leaves out the broad and deep swath of economic destruction that the student loan industry has left in its path over the past decade. Destruction that has made the choice of going to college the worst decision millions of citizens have ever made.

    Bankruptcy protections were taken away for all student loans, both public and private, between 1998-2005. So to were statutes of limitations, truth in lending requirements, refinancing rights, and even fair debt collection practices in some instances. Simultaeneously, Congress legislated into existence collection powers that "would make a mobster envious" (quote from Elizabeth Warren). Powers that include wage, tax, Social Security, and even disability income garnishment....and all without a court order.

    The result: Sallie Mae saw its "fee income" increase by a whopping 228% between 2000-2005 (its managed loan portfolio increased by a mere 87% during the same time period).

    "Non profit" guarantors saw their revenues escalate massively. This was reflected, I might add, in their executives compensation in most cases. I seem to recall a Mr. James Lintzenich, head of the USA Group, whose compensation increased from $883,000 in 1999 to $3.5 million in 2000, to give only one example of hundreds across the industry.

    Collection companies (often owned by the original lenders)had a job as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. Indeed, one notable collection company in Indiana even installed a 4000 gallon shark tank in their corporate headquarters.

    A feeding frenzy to be sure, with the students serving as live bait.

    So where did all this free money come from? It came from people like Capt. Rob, a veteran whose $35,000 in student loans escalated to $155,000 with penalties, fees, and accrued interest. Capt. Rob can no longer get a security clearance until he pays this astronomical sum.

    It comes from people like David, a chiropractor in Texas whose $70,000 in loans ballooned to over $400,000. David is now driving trucks in Amarillo, Texas, since the state suspended his license due to his defaulted student loans.

    I could go on here and- literally- give thousands of examples. The Department of Education could supplement these with millions of their own, except that its not in their best interest to do so. Heck, most of the people running the Departments Federal Student Aid program are former student loan executives themselves.

    Senior citizens losing their social security income based on similar escalations of their student loan debt, citizens in their 30's giving up and leaving the country. Others losing all hope, and taking their own lives. These are the stories that I have to read day after day after day.

    Sound dramatic? Exaggerated? Too ridiculous to be true? I agree. It sounds like a horrible nightmare that exists only in the imagination. Unfortunately, it is true, and easily demonstrable. Despite the concerted efforts by the lending industry, the Department of Education, and even the universities to push this issue under the rug, the truth has a way of leaking out.

  • One of the best IHE articles
  • Posted by Michael Bugeja at Iowa State University on July 14, 2008 at 6:05am EDT
  • Kevin Carey has summarized nicely the issues that all of us will have to confront in the short term. I will be sending his article--one of the best that IHE has ever published--to my dean, provost and president because his analysis supports the warnings I have been sounding here and in The Chronicle of Higher Education.

    The day of reckoning will come sooner for private institutions than for public ones, and that reckoning will be falling enrollments, happening already at some private liberal arts colleges.

    Our enrollments generally are up at Iowa State University where we have one of the highest average debt loads per student in the country, around $30,000. I predict that rising enrollments at state institutions will be a short-term bubble as high school students decide they cannot attend public institutions in other states or private schools in state where average tuition and board can reach $50,000 per year.

    Because of this, state institutions will have a later day of reckoning. But even this market will saturate in a few years, given the debt issues Mr. Carey has outlined. Then enrollments at public four-year institutions will start to decline as students turn to community colleges (whose enrollments are burgeoning already in some part because of lower tuition).

    The role of those community colleges will change, too: Instead of preparing a segment of their enrollment for four-year degrees elsewhere, they will certify their students with a degree (and be praised by legislators for doing so).

    The debt issues Mr. Carey discusses here not only relate to access to education. Access to easy student loans has allowed colleges and universities to expand curricula and programs. It has allowed technology to proliferate without assessment, corporatizing rather than democratizing academe, with student identification cards doubling as debit cards of prime use online, from virtual worlds where consumerism reigns to audience response systems requiring registration of handsets (thereby increasing fees without oversight of regents).

    This is in addition to the huge jump in student fees at most institutions in the past decade. (At Iowa universities, those fees have risen 341% in a decade.)

    I encourage readers of IHE to reconsider the consequences of curricular expansion and technology proliferation--the two main areas of budget over which we have some control--and do the math that Mr. Carey has provided here.

    Here is my math as director of a journalism school: My graduates with $30,000 or more debt earn degrees in an industry that pays $21,000-$25,000 in starting salaries. As students have learned to do with credit cards, they end up paying interest without reducing the principal of their loans. They are disenfranchised as soon as they graduate and often have less affluent lifestyles than they did in college.

    I sounded this warning in IHE in March with my article "Harsh Realities About Virtual Ones," which provided the stimulus for a chapter titled "In Praise of Disengagement" to be released in a book titled "WorldFuture 2008: Seeing the Future Through New Eyes," by the World Future Society, in time for its conference in Washington, D.C., later this month. My central thesis relates to the hidden costs of expansion and proliferation, which one fully appreciates at this time of year, balancing budgets, as I and other administrators must do to prepare for the next academic term.

    Ironically, because of student debt, some good things will emerge by default: curricular streamlining and technology assessment, which I have been urging colleagues to do now before cuts are mandated by others lacking pedagogical insight and experience.

    That said, sooner rather than later, we will witness one more outcome from the debt crisis: a new breed of top administrator who must operate out of his or her comfort zones and divine ways to reduce tuition and fees, making tough decisions and providing access to education in a country founded on that belief.

  • Financial Aid
  • Posted by Jack , Asst. Prof on July 14, 2008 at 8:05am EDT
  • It definitely addresses the issues regarding the economics of education. It seems that the funding of education has taken a turn towards online and provides students with viable options for the working segment of the population and anyone may receive a "college degree" online. So, what happens to the degree of people that had to mortgage their future to live in "college towns".
    My loans were manageable at one time but with these loan people the cost of managing my loan has quadrupled and I may never see my life being manageable due to these financial institutions preying on students. The argument could be made about being responsible and people did not have to accept the terms but I was a single parent and felt the viable means to raising a family was to attend college and there was not other choices other than to work at a minimum wage job and a person could make more money as a student.
    However, I did not plan to be charged for finishing my degree programs.

  • Posted by anthony Morales on July 14, 2008 at 8:05am EDT
  • there is no parallel when addressing student loans. For instance there is schedule of pay back for borrowers. The amount of payback is contingent on current wages earned. To distill this condition down to the most elemental of terms it is "loan sharking", no way to ever pay back the debt until all the monetary resources and equity are exhausted. All in the name of a science degree.

    I advocate that the loan payback schedule will be no greater than 3% of a persons gross salary, period. Remember this is not a purchase for a luxury item.

  • Posted by Ol' Mizzou on July 14, 2008 at 8:10am EDT
  • "Here is my math as director of a journalism school: My graduates with $30,000 or more debt earn degrees in an industry that pays $21,000-$25,000 in starting salaries."

    $21K-$25K?!? Good grief. Where are most of your students landing jobs? That seems awfully low.

  • student loan debt
  • Posted by Ruth R. on July 14, 2008 at 8:10am EDT
  • Really appreaciate the opportunity to share my predicament, briefly. Some of us had a dream of going to college as young people and it didn't happen.....I was one of those. Financially it was out of reach for me. Then in my late 50s I learned that I could still reach for those elusive dreams by way of financial aid at the local college. I relished the opportunity to jump in, and create a late-life career in social work.
    I was able to borrow more than I needed for the text books and cost of courses, and so I took advatntage of it, no questions asked. Afterall, I would have years to pay it back!
    After graduating in 1990, I worked for a time and my husband was ready to retire and enjoy life, travel, relocate to a warmer climate, etc. In 2000 I found myself eager to get back to school and get that masters degree...again, financial aid made it possible to attend a private college (a 2nd one for me) and I went for it, graduated in 2002, ready to hit the ground running again.
    Within months of that time, we bought a home that had hidden mold in it (in GA) and within a short time, my health plummeted, my husband developed a rare cancer (from the mold I suspect!) and we were devestated. My loans were in consolidation by now, we lost our home, our ability to earn, our health, and eventually I lost him three years ago.
    I am 64, live on social security, and the occasional generosity of family and friends.
    I can only keep my loans in deferment and pay a pittance each month...thankfully I have a subsidized senior apartment or I would be out on the street! I don't think my situation is unusual, either. I dread the thought that some day my social security will be cut so that Sallie Mae can have her full share of what I now owe....which has mushroomed due to interest added on over the years. So goes my "American dream," of achieving an education....at such a cost!!!
    Ruth R., Wisconsin

  • School Loans = Indentured Servitude
  • Posted on July 14, 2008 at 8:30am EDT
  • This is the story of how I am being coerced into an INDENTURED SERVITUDE and how the US Government has sanctioned one industry to prey on us and our children in re-instituting a legal form of INDENTURED SERVITUDE in 21st century AMERICA .

    In 1988, I was formally classified as disabled by the US Department of Social Security Disability after working for 19 years as a metal worker. I could no longer continue to perform my job in the New Orleans area due to a disabling knee injury from childhood (acquired a bone eating disease) that grew progressively worse with age. At the age of 38, I was directed to unemployment disability, section 8 housing, Vocational Rehabilitation assistance, and food stamps in joining the rolls of disabled Americans.

    I did not want to be on welfare and had great ambitions to pursue the American Dream. I decided I had nothing to loose by seeking an education to remove myself off of disability and into a viable tax paying vocation. I had a wife and twin 6 year old children to support. So, I began investigating schools in my area.

    Initially, I attempted to enroll in Tulane University because it was the only university in my area that offered the Chemical Engineering curriculum which interested me. However, Tulane informed me that I could not attend their school because I did not have a "track record" (GPA, ACT score, etc), since I had been out of high school for 19 years. They informed me that I would have to go to another school to establish a track record.

    So, I enrolled at Delgado Community College in New Orleans. I attended for three years and graduated Magna Cum Laude with two degrees, Electronics Servicing and General Science. I took every Math, Chemistry, and Physics class the college offered for the General Science degree. The problem was that I could not find a job in either degree after three years of student loans.

    Then, the Dean of Tulane University engineering school sent me an invitation to meet with him. Subsequently, the Dean offered me a 4 year "need Based" scholarship to the Tulane engineering school valued at nearly $100,000 in tuition. I explained that I had two children to support, but he insisted that the only condition for this scholarship is that I must attend full time. So I accepted, knowing that I would be forced to make more school loans for books and to feed my family. At least there seemed to be a chance that we may educate our way out of poverty.

    For the next four years, 1991-1995, I attended Tulane Engineering School on scholarship, while I received Sallie Mae school loans to help support my family. We also received food stamps and lived in section 8 housing. You know, like the projects where the government subsidizes part of the rent. In 1995, I graduated with a 3.0 GPA earning a BS in Chemical Engineering.

    I consolidated my school loans and the total came to $40,000 at 9% interest. In March of 1996 I acquired a job with International Paper Company located in Camden , Arkansas . I began repaying my school loan to Sallie Mae at about $363 monthly. I thought I had successfully achieved my goal of educating myself off of unemployment disability.

    **Please note that I attended both Delgado College and Tulane University with foreign students. Many of these foreign students were from countries like Pakistan , India , Lebanon , Taiwan etc. Many of these students were receiving the Federal Pell Grant and free tuition and non repayable grants to attend American universities. These foreign students did not have student loans to repay for their education and many of them don't contribute anything to the American tax base after graduation if they decide not to work in this country. The American taxpayer pays their tab in full. They essentially take home a great education and an elevated status in their home work force for free.

    I worked for International Paper (IP) for three years. After a year of payments to Sallie Mae, I received a statement from Sallie Mae detailing the amount of my monthly payments and amounts applied each to principal and interest. I noticed that the numbers did not make sense. On several months, no amount was applied to principal at all. On several occasions, I telephoned Sallie Mae and inquired about this discovery. No one was able to explain where the money was going or why nothing was applied to principal on some months. On a few of the telephone inquiries, a Sallie Mae supervisor was put on the phone with me and each time I spoke with a supervisor, they could not explain the P&I distributions at that time, but claimed they would find out and get back to me with the explanation. Each time, they never got back to me with anything. (I still have the P&I statement and I managed to obtain the Sallie Mae telephone records indicating the dates we spoke.) I took the detailed Sallie Mae statement to a CPA and asked if they could explain the method of amortization and distribution to interest and principal. The CPA also could not explain the method of P&I distribution. Frustrated at the lack of response from Sallie Mae, I called and demanded an explanation and notified the SM representative that I would, "discontinue further payments until someone explained to me the distributions and why my principal was not going down". No one responded to my simple inquiry, so, I discontinued making payments in an effort to force a response.

    In the meantime, in 1998 I researched an orthopedic surgeon and located one of the best at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota who had acquired the technology to possibly allow me an opportunity to walk normally. I decided to chance the risk of amputation for the opportunity to walk almost normally, without pain. The good doctor successfully performed an unusual knee replacement through the grace of GOD, while I was employed with International Paper Company and miraculously, I was no longer disabled.

    In 1999, International Paper Company at Camden , Arkansas was doing poorly financially, and the plant manager explained to me the company would probably shut the plant down or sell it. Camden , Arkansas is a small town of 10,000 people with this IP plant as the primary industry and main support of the town. I began looking for another job immediately. I also put my home in Camden on the market for sale immediately.

    That year, I began new employment with Boise Cascade located in DeRidder, Louisiana . I continued to market my home in Camden for sale. Shortly after we moved to DeRidder, Louisiana, International Paper Co shut down the plant in Camden , Arkansas and dismantled it. Hundreds of homes flooded the market for sale with no industry to support potential buyers. I continued paying those house notes in Camden until January, 2001. I also continued trying to sell it to no avail. Sallie Mae continued to "hound" me for monthly payments without explanation of the amortization. I mistakenly informed Sallie Mae that I was being forced into bankruptcy. Sallie Mae immediately classified my loans as "default status" and turned it over to one of their collection agencies. The collection agency immediately contacted me with the "default status" and an added 18% of my principal balance as a default fee. A month later (March, 2001), I was forced into bankruptcy, Chapter 7 to relieve the debts from the home back in Camden , Sallie Mae school loans, and the credit cards. However, though I claimed bankruptcy, Sallie Mae school loans are not forgiven and are exempt from federal bankruptcy laws. How can that be legal? That legislation obviously enriched Sallie Mae stock of which I'm sure many of our legislators own shares.

    I also went bankrupt against the collection agency which I discovered Sallie Mae also owns. Sallie Mae simply switched the loan and fees to another one of their collection agencies which was not named in my bankruptcy and after the bankruptcy was complete, continued their collection efforts in spite of the Federal Bankruptcy Court. I thought that by going bankrupt against the collection agency, I could eliminate the collection agency's 18% default fees. I thought that only Sallie Mae was exempt from federal bankruptcy claims, not collection agencies. I knew that Sallie Mae was guaranteed by the Fed not to lose money on a school loan. I did not initially realize that Sallie Mae owned the collection agency companies, also.

    Though I turned over many stones in search of an attorney, none would touch a case against Sallie Mae.

    In July of 2001, I took another job. I began employment at a plastics manufacturer located in Bay St Louis, Mississippi. Now my credit was destroyed, we lost our home in Camden through the bankruptcy, and Sallie Mae was destroying any further rebuilding of credit through the credit bureaus and continues to do so today. After the bankruptcy, I contacted the Sallie Mae ombudsman and tried to work out our differences. I was allowed to pay the minimum of $200 per month for one year to take my Sallie Mae loans out of default status. Looking back, I realize why Sallie Mae didn't respond to my inquiries about the P&I amortization. Sallie Mae encouraged me to default on my school loan and was obviously legally rewarded handsomely for it. Sallie Mae added the 18% collection fee costs plus interest and compounded it all daily and suddenly I owe more than $92,000 and climbing.

    Meanwhile, my twins are 26 years old, grown and married and moved away and my wife and I still do not have a home to live in.

    Further devisive tactics....to the credit bureaus, Sallie Mae is claiming my loan prior to the bankruptcy as a separate loan against which I claimed bankruptcy (even though Sallie Mae and the credit bureaus know you can't win bankruptcy against a school loan). Sallie Mae has actually stated on the credit reports that this loan was "included" in the bankruptcy. (If Sallie Mae has considered the loan "included in the bankruptcy", then I should be relieved from the debt.) Additionally, Sallie Mae has claimed this same loan as a separate additional loan which is "current" and in deferment, also on the same credit report with an outstanding balance of $92,000 and an original loan amount of $40,000. Combined, these two separate claims on the same credit report display over six figures of indebtedness to potential creditors. Although I contacted Sallie Mae and the Credit bureaus about this "double dipping", the Credit bureaus claim they are reporting it as Sallie Mae dictates and Sallie Mae refuses to change their claims. My only recourse was to add my personal statement to the credit report, which the credit bureau omitted anyway.

    Consequently, almost anything I must buy like insurance, etc. costs more. Sallie Mae keeps tightening the noose in an attempt to force me into a modern form of INDENTURED SERVITUDE. I cannot get loan approval to purchase a home regardless. Therefore my primary objective, to get off of welfare, pursue the American Dream of owning a home, and pay my debts and taxes as a viable contributing citizen had become moot.

    As a matter of principal, I called Sallie Mae and asked them whether or not they thought that I would spend the remainder of my life (I'm 58 years old now) working just to pay their loan (higher costs than loan sharks) without the chance of the American Dream to own a home? I requested a written reply to the question, "would Sallie Mae garnish my social security?" They wrote back stating that they would NOT garnish my Social Security. I have the letter in writing. What they cleverly omitted is that they have others in their system (a system of collection agencies) that would garnish my Social Security for Sallie Mae, they would not do it themselves. They are currently garnishing others Social Security. How obscene ...and our legislators have allowed this to be legal!

    The US Government should reward me for getting off of welfare, as a former tax
    burden to the American public and for becoming a tax contributor as a Chemical Engineer. At the very least, all interest and fees should be negated due to the divisive tactics utilized to accumulate them and my loan should revert back to the original principal amount minus payments received. I refuse to follow Sallie Mae's immoral program into INDENTURED SERVITUDE for my remaining working years and beyond, even if it is LEGAL. Someone has to understand how unjust the school loan industry has become and how our legislators have provided these loan sharking operations such as Sallie Mae more power than the IRS. Before greed took over, this industry may have been a viable system for lower income people to attain an education, a home, and a life. Somewhere along the line it was twisted into an abusive money making machine by lobbying and attaining unlimited power such that no other institution has seen in America's history. The school loan industry today does not negotiate and answers to no other agency. Even the daily job of running Sallie Mae was shipped to India. Whenever I have contacted Sallie Mae for the past several years, the people that service my loans can't even speak good English because they are not Americans. On several occassions, I had to request somone to translate my questions.

    Further, on August 29, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit Pass Christian, Mississippi directly...destroyed the house I was renting and destroyed all of our furnishings and possessions. We just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.....AGAIN.

    It has come to my understanding and in lieu of my experience that school loans have destroyed more homes than Hurricane Katrina and the toll continues to climb. The true statistics are being suppressed. I did not suffer through 7 years of tough education just to work for Sallie Mae.....I climbed the educational mountain to attain the American Dream. I would prefer to be homeless and a FREE AMERICAN rather than an "INDENTURED SERVANT" to Sallie Mae.

    Now our legislators must realize the monster they have supported preys on our childrens' lives, also. For many, the American Dream has become the future American Nightmare. I am currently forced to pay Sallie Mae $782 per month out of my monthly income for the next 24 years beyond the rest of my working career. Currently, this leaves only a remainder to survive on until I retire. Do you know what I see in my future for retirement? My dwindling social security check will also be garnished as the Sallie Mae monster continues to eat fat while I eat from a garbage can.

    This is a form of INDENTURED SERVITUDE, except I cannot earn enough to pay the cost of my passage to a FREE America in six years as was done in traditional Indentured Servitudes.

  • Inconvient fact
  • Posted by Bart on July 14, 2008 at 8:50am EDT
  • College costs have been rising faster than the average rate of inflation for 20 years.

    Does that have anything to do with rising student debt?

    Uh .. yes?

    If the machine is broken, and you don't fix it, and it keeps spilling resources on the floor -- who's fault is that?

    At bottom: something costs too much -- don't buy it.

    I'm helping pay for my nieces' college education. They are on the seven-year plan, part-time, living at home.

    Not perfect. But it is working. And my gals would appreciate it, if the folks in D.C. would quit raising taxes and borrowing money.

  • Student Loans-The Modern Day Scarlett Letter
  • Posted by Rod Ferrara on July 14, 2008 at 9:00am EDT
  • Student Loans are not true players in the financial/credit free market economy. They have no risk and this is anti-capitalism. Student Loan companies should carry the risks of default, just like banks in the mortgage mess. But due to their lobbying power they have basically created a no-lose situation for themselves, while creating an indentured servitude in student loan borrowers. Instead of assisting students in achieving the American Dream by getting an education student loan lenders are creating "An Imprisoned Generation: Student Loan Lenders are Creating Indentured Servants and Handicapping Our Economic Future."

    I have been fighting to keep my student loans current and staving off default. I penned the following in my darkest depression. It is a personal account on how student loan lenders treat student borrowers and illsutrates the un-American anti-capitalistic student loan industry.

    Student Loans- The Modern Day Scarlet Letter

    I did what everyone says to do in order to have an opportunity at success and a “good” life, but all it has brought me is pain and misery. Get an education they say, I did that. This will enable you to succeed, they say. Not in my case. All I have to show for my “education” are layoffs, unemployment and empty promises.

    Student loans are to help you achieve, I did that. But when life does not go as planned or your dreams are dashed, such assistance to attain those dreams imprisons one to poverty, despair and indentured servitude. Black balled due to bad credit relating to Student Loans one can’t find gainful employment to pay back the loans. Yet like a loan shark or racketeer the “loans” keep growing exponentially while at the same time preventing one from getting back on the track of life, productivity and employment, i.e. living. One becomes jailed in a debtor’s prison that was supposed to not exist in the US. Harassed and threatened by student loan sharks and racketeers, who would be put in jail if they weren’t given sanctuary by the government, life’s purpose slips away, my education empty promises and dreams unfulfilled. Yes, they are a government approved criminal organization preying on those in pursuit of the illusionary American dream; while at the same time enriching the “mob bosses” at the top of the student loan pyramid and discarding the rest of us like yesterday’s newspaper.

    A theology of human belief extorting one to get their “pot of gold” and be damned those destroyed on this path. The true human soul, one of: self-importance, self-service, self-righteousness and callous indifference to others. A caste system where money is all that matters whether it is achieved by immoral means and regardless of the victims’ corpses left in one’s wake.

    No I am not delusional, depressed or any other medical mental mirage. We all have pain and set backs. We are taught to get up wipe the dirt off and continue the fight. But if the deck is stacked against you and the only one’s being enriched by your labor are the student loan sharks and racketeers, it isn’t worth it. They want to keep you an indentured servant or in debtor’s prison; a prison preventing you from achieving some semblance of dignity, of purpose. Why should they care? When their mistakes catch up with them they can go receive a government handout, which enables them to continue to indenture students and keep you in debtor’s prison, even as they stand on your corpse.

    Well it is time for me to remove my scarlet letter. An eternal sleep is calling. A sleep that will allow me to escape this charade. No more pain, no more indentured servitude, free from the debtor’s prison. They can now eat my student loans, I am free.

    Author: Rod Ferrara August 2007

  • Answer for "Ol Mizzou"
  • Posted by Michael Bugeja at Iowa State University on July 14, 2008 at 9:10am EDT
  • You write: "$21K-$25K?!? Good grief. Where are most of your students landing jobs? That seems awfully low."

    Primary outlets for print journalism remains mid-sized and community newspapers whose publishers are coping with their own budgets.

    In journalism and communication, beginning salaries averaged $23,000 in 1997 and have risen only 21.7% since then (while tuition in Iowa has spiked 107% during the same time period). Some journalism schools such as Indiana's are candid about starting salaries, noting that newspaper reporters can anticipate between $25,000-$30,000 and advertising and PR practitioners, $28,000-$32,000. Broadcasters can anticipate $20,000 or less.

    We not only cope with low starting salaries for graduates. Publishers and media owners expect many of our juniors and seniors to take internships without pay in cities with high costs of living. ISU journalism and advertising students must endure one of the country's toughest 400-hour internship requirements. They pay tuition for that and then expenses.

    I hope for their sake and the sake of students of others everywhere that we can lower tuition and fees and ensure their future. I try to do that not only by practicing journalism but through fund-raising. (See "Learning to Raise Money — as an Academic Administrator," also in IHE).

  • "Students in Financial Crisis"
  • Posted by Reed Curtis on July 14, 2008 at 9:20am EDT
  • I wrote an article a few months back about the same theme: http://www.psu.edu/dus/mentor/080227rc.htm

  • Student debt and college costs
  • Posted by feudi@earthlink.net on July 14, 2008 at 9:35am EDT
  • We now see the same cost escalation in education that we saw in healthcare with the advent of Medicare. Programs like Medicare and Stafford loans create a spiraling synergy between funding and costs. It would be an interesting study at NASFAA to see what the rate of cost increases in tuition nationally is for the 2008-09 award year now that Stafford loan eligibility increased by $2,000 per year. My guess is that those cost
    curves pretty much mirror each other.

  • Posted by Carol Jordan on July 14, 2008 at 9:50am EDT
  • Anyone can get a student loan because no credit check is done by the lender. It's harder to get approved for a car! In fact, the lender can change your loan at any time without your signature. It happened to me. There is NO consumer protection for borrowers who eventually wind up dealing with loan sharks. It is predatory lending to go after people who have the "dream" without the resources and sell them a bill of goods. Isn't that what happened with the housing industry? So, how do student lenders get away with this?

  • Senior Citizensin Student Loan Debt and credit
  • Posted by Dee DeMusis on July 14, 2008 at 10:35am EDT
  • I have rearely , if ever, seen anything written about the plight of many senior citizens who carry old student loan debt. I graduated university in 1985 [ some loans dating from '81]. My loan debt ballooned because of the interest,yes, but more importantly, I had a family crisis [ terminally ill child]and I was physically and emotionally unable to begin to address the issies. I WAS in contact with the banks and the USDE. At one point [ late 80s] I eas even willing to collect soda cans and bottles [ that's all I could do because I was homeless] but I was told "that's not good enough." It wasn't until I get good jobs inthe late 90s and 2000 that I could begin to pay anything. Now I am living on ONLY Social Security; I AM paying on my loans, but the staggering sum of interest accrued is enough to send me to cardiac arrest. I wish there were some relief! If there is any will someone PLEASE tell me!

  • student choices
  • Posted by jen on July 14, 2008 at 10:35am EDT
  • It is wonderful to see an article and so many comments addressing this issue.

    I would also like to point out how very young students (18 is very young to understand what borrowing tens of thousands of dollars will be like when it comes time to pay it back)are told by counselors many times over that they don't need to worry about paying for college, because financial aid is available. Everyone just needs to fill out a FAFSA. This discussion with high school juniors, seniors, and recent graduates needs to be a lot more honest and delve into what that financial aid will really look like and how many years one will potentially be paying it back. A discussion of alternatives like trade school or working part-time in the field of interest while taking classes part-time or other alternatives needs to occur.

  • Carey's column
  • Posted by Dan Lozer , Pastor on July 14, 2008 at 10:50am EDT
  • Isn't this what they are referring to as "moral hazard" in the housing-financial debacle? (That lenders get people into debt who they would otherwise refuse because they're not really taking risk).
    Personal experience: it has been 24 years since my graduation-repayment-default ('80s economy, who knew?)-repayment cycle began.
    This year I will finally pay off the interest and fees from my loans and BEGIN paying on the $15,000 originally borrowed.
    There has to be a better way. Universities probably have people who could figure one out.

  • a personal perspective
  • Posted by Rebecca Gibson on July 14, 2008 at 10:50am EDT
  • Financial aid for higher education is a great idea. Unfortunately, the system is predatory and seriously flawed. Loans for college are reverse-qualifying loans, made to young adults who have never had a real job, a mortgage, or a car, and who are financially disadvantaged in the first place. Why else would they be borrowing the money to go to school? In my own case, I first borrowed to finish a bachelors degree in Human Services at a private Catholic university. My first job, at the local public mental health center, paid 16,000 per year, the amount of my student loan debt. I had a one-year old daughter. I could not make the payments and eat. I thought a graduate degree was the solution. I borrowed another 23,000 to finish my Masters, only to find that, even today, jobs as a Masters level therapist pay less than 40,000 per year. So, now, I have paid about 18,000 on my loans, and I owe 106,000 at 8.5% interest. I may never pay this off, but I have not defaulted. I am switching to a teaching career to take advantage of the new ten-year public service loan forgiveness program. I will not be able to marry the man I have finally found and become engaged to if I do this, as he is not willing to marry me with this debt hanging over my head. He is too close to retirement to take that on. He has heard too many horror stories about the draconian collection practices of the the student loan lenders, the worst of which is a friend whose son committed suicide, and they will not stop calling her, trying to collect this debt. Anyway, I would happily return this degree I earned in order to have my life back. I have experienced extreme stress, hopelessness and despair as a result of this debt, incurred naively and trustingly, the student loan program operates with such a benevolent facade. I counsel others to NEVER, EVER, take out a student loan. My daughter has thankfully followed my advice. Too many others have not, and will never see a debt-free day for the rest of their lives.

  • $5.000
  • Posted by John on July 14, 2008 at 11:10am EDT
  • In 1985 I returned to college to complete a MA in Education.
    The financial aid dept issued me a check of $ 5.000
    While in school, I became sick with spinal problems that made it difficult to stand or sit.
    I had to leave college and quit teaching. I applied for Social Security Disability.
    While waiting for SSD benefits I asked for a Medical deferment form from my Doctor
    She wrote a description of my condition with her signature that I was unable to work.
    The Department Of Education received the form and said the form was altered in my behalf. It was denied. I requested another form, my Doctor signed again, but it was denied .Three deferment forms signed by the doctor all were rejected. The Doctor refused to sign again.
    Over the years the $5.000 loan was sent to dozens of collection agencies.
    With penalties, and interest from collection agencies the owing balance climbed over $16.000 .
    Six years later, I hear from the Department Of Ed. Saying they plan on enforcing the collection. I receive a letter saying they are garnishing my Social Security disability checks if I didn’t write a check out for $16.000.After months of personal pleas I’m making small payments to Dept of Ed.
    The last time I viewed the statement my balance was over $30.000.and growing.

  • Posted by Author, No Sucker Left Behind on July 14, 2008 at 11:10am EDT
  • Although student loan companies hold some of the blame for this problem (due to high interest rates and fees), why have colleges themselves not been held accountable? Colleges continue to encourage students to borrow much more than they can afford, with no regard for their students' welfare. Although colleges may not want to explicitly see their students get hurt, the harm is incidental to what they do want: maximum profit. By aggressively encouraging unaffordable loan and credit debt, colleges operate today with a strategy that I have termed "No Sucker Left Behind."

  • Just an idea
  • Posted by L.L. on July 14, 2008 at 11:15am EDT
  • " .. I will not be able to marry the man I have finally found .. as he is not willing to marry me with this debt .."

    You should consult a tax lawyer on this .. but I'm wondering if filing separate tax returns would help, to keep both your assets/liabilities separate. You might/might not pay more in taxes, but what the heck ..

  • Posted by George on July 14, 2008 at 11:35am EDT
  • It's a very frustrating situation. My parents make a good deal of money, but because of their own level of debt (and how many non-college childen we had at the time), my FAFSA didn't lead me to much aid.

    At my school, if you mention you need help to pay for school the Sallie Mae application was instantly ripped out. Never is another loan company brought up and the one time I managed to go with another group (at a lower rate) they hassled me about it so strongly that I simply fell back on Sallie Mae again because the stress surrounding all of this and the rest of my life was reaching a breaking point.

    To me, this alone should get these colleges in trouble, but nothing seems to come of it.

    It's an odd problem. You need a college degree to get any decent jobs. Yet in Chicago, it's almost like a college degree is the new high school diploma. Even mediocre jobs require a few years of experience. So you get stuck in a situation where you wonder what you went to college for at all when your friends are making more money serving at a restaurant. It kills your self esteem.

    Meanwhile you only get so much forbearance on your private loans (accumulating interesting the entire time). Private loans, at least at Sallie Mae, don't have any sort of income sensitive payment plans. Currently Sallie Mae alone wants over 50% of my monthly income.

    Hilariously, when I called recently to finally get my consolidation going again I was told they had suspended the program and that it was no longer economically beneficial for them or me. For me? Seriously? Do they think I'm that stupid?

    People are worried a lot about the housing market and mortgages... Forget unemployment rates, look at how many people are simply underpaid and overworked here considering the degrees they have. When you think about the amount of people with ridiculous amounts of loans that are getting substandard jobs, a lot of them will NEVER be able to get a house. They'll NEVER be able to sustain a mortgage.

    It's amazing to me how little people in power seem to care about this fact. We never prevent anything here, we just wait until it blows up. I don't even know if it's blowing up yet. It certainly seems like it could get a lot worse.

    I don't want to get out of paying what I owe. I just want to be able to put it at a decent rate and pay something that won't require me to live in the street.

    I know this isn't as eloquent as that of my peers here, but I'm so close to giving up sometimes.

  • What can I do, to help?
  • Posted by JEFF T. , victim on July 14, 2008 at 12:10pm EDT
  • Question you might ask yourself, about how to stop this continued BLEEDING of the educational loan process. I'm only one person with very limited resources to fight this enormous,evil issue.
    You could do nothing, it might not affect you. But what about your kids, grandkids,relatives, etc., our future leaders...
    Or, you could do like me and support an organization that IS getting things done,and receiving attention in fighting this monster.

    I urge you to join and financially support the studentloanjustic.org (read the very first comment from this article) Alan Collinge is risking everything to shed light on this INJUSTICE. Help spread the word, contact reporters, congress,OPRAH, etc..a simple phone call, email, or a small donation to the cause WILL help.
    Be apart of the solution!

  • Student Loan
  • Posted by Linda G. on July 14, 2008 at 12:25pm EDT
  • Intered the student loan arena in 1980. Borrowed 7,500. Became ill in 1985-1986. Went to another school in 1987 (summer). Was charged with graduate loan at previous school spring of 1987 which I never received. After intercepting 14,000 in federal income tax I went into loan rehab in 2002 for one year and was told that loan would return to original amount of 7500 with same interest rate of 8%. After completing one year of automatic bank drafts I was sent two payment books one stating I owe 22,000 the other stating I owe 32,000. I paid a 165.00 monthly payment for one year, had 14,000 intercepted, made a montly payment of 96.00 for 3 years, payment increased to 136.00 in 2006 all bank drafts, never late or missed until this date. Anyone can do the math, it gives me high anxiety. I'm sure I will be one of those who get's their Social Security taken. What do you do? Pay them until you die!!

  • Student Loans
  • Posted by Linda G. on July 14, 2008 at 12:35pm EDT
  • My youngest daughter enrolled in cosmotology school this spring, she was told that she had to apply for a student loan to attend the second half of this 15 month certification course. When asked if she could wait and pay for the second half of the course out of pocket, she was told (no) and in order for her to start she would have to apply now. Needless to say, I warned her against it. What do you think about a school who demands a student to apply for a student loan upon registration?

  • Aren’t You Tired Of All Of This Whining?
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on July 14, 2008 at 12:40pm EDT
  • I have read all of the posts to this “gloom and doom” article, and I cannot resist quoting one of the leading economic intellectuals – some call him an economic genius – of our time; to wit ...

    “We have sort of become a nation of whiners ... You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness ... America in decline ... despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.”

    “We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today ... We have benefited greatly from the globalization of the economy in the last 30 years.”

    “Misery sells newspapers ... Thank God the economy is not as bad as you read in the newspaper every day.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbPLrqydnIQ

  • oops
  • Posted by Peter on July 14, 2008 at 1:30pm EDT
  • Kevin,

    The credit-card issuer is CapitAl One.

  • Sicko
  • Posted by Manny on July 14, 2008 at 1:55pm EDT
  • You need to watch the movie "Sicko" from Michael Moore.

  • Draconian IT IS
  • Posted by Cathey , RN on July 14, 2008 at 1:55pm EDT
  • I would not call these stories "whining" any more than a Nazi Hollocaust survivor telling his or her story should be called a whiner.

    Like much of the credit industry, these debt collectors are paid to lie to the public, I was told by the collection agency that is hounding me that I would loose my nurses' license if I didn't start paying the amount that they wanted me to pay. The name of the company was General Revenue Corporation and they are draconian in the extreme~Watch out for them everyone!! I had to pay over a grand to a lawyer to call them on their bluff (they can't take your license away in my state) and get them to back off of me. We seem to be reaching a solution here but it was Only with the lawyers help.

    Rebecca ~ I really feel your pain, this out of control problem has wrecked so many lives, you might mention to your financee that you were the one he fell in love with and wanted to spend his life with ~ not your bank account or your credit score.

    Best wishes to all

  • Credit Card to Student Loan Debt
  • Posted by James W. Gettys on July 14, 2008 at 2:20pm EDT
  • Writing of credit card debt in the 1990s, journalist-turned-economist Doug Henwood writes the following in _Wall Street_: How It Works and for Whom_ (2000):

    Economically . . . consumer debt can be thought of as a way to sustain mass consumption in the face of stagnant or falling wages. But there's an additional social and political bonus, from the point of view of the creditor class; it reduces pressure for higher wages by allowing people to buy goods they couldn't otherwise afford. It helps to nourish both the appearance and reality of a middle-class standard of living in a time of polarization. And debt can be a great conservatizing force; with a large monthly mortgage and/or MasterCard bill, strikes and other forms of troublemaking look less appealing than they would otherwise" (Henwood 66).

    To F. Manley: Commenting on Phil Gramm Henwood writes, "In mainstream speech, 'saving,' rarely travels without a moralizing subtext, one that apoligizes for vast inequalities by arguing that the poor are profligate, live in the eternal present, and are unable to control their impulses, while the rich are the virtuous opposite of all these things. Or as Texas Senator Phil Gramm puts it in his homey way, society consists of those who pull the wagon (his rich Dallas and Houston constituents) and those who ride in it (the shiftless poor). The middle-classes, obviously, fall somewhere between vice and virtue. From this black-is-white premise, it follows that the rich should be lightly taxed, and the poor, soaked; this is the rationale behind consumption taxes like sales taxes and VATs, which spare the saver and punish the consumer" (Henwood 70).

    I add that credit card debt followed Americans into the next century; 9/11 has distracted us from the mass movement manifested in Seattle in 1999. It also distracted us from Enron, Worldcom and other corporate criminal practices that are anything but the manifestation of a "few bad apples," and has landed us in illegal wars (expensive in more ways than one!) the mortgage and the student loan crisis.

    It looks to me like class warfare has long been declared by the rich against the poor. Nor should politics be about Republican versus Democrat, liberal versus conservative: It should be thought of as top versus bottom.

  • Class actions for all--contact info
  • Posted by Cindy , StudentLoanJusticeCA.org at Student Loan Justice California on July 14, 2008 at 2:25pm EDT
  • Want to join a class action or find out how exactly to lobby your legislators? Contact information at www.StudentLoanJusticeCA.org. Class actions for minorities, culinary students, those stuck with consolidation and compounded interest

  • Sarcasm is a lost art
  • Posted by mythbuster on July 14, 2008 at 2:25pm EDT
  • Cathey, check out the youtube clip before responding.
    That aside I'm not sure I'd compare this to the Holocaust.

  • Correction
  • Posted by L.L. , Health care authority at Expert U on July 14, 2008 at 2:25pm EDT
  • "You need to watch the movie “Sicko” from Michael Moore."

    We are getting off topic -- but that "schlock-umentary" had so many errors, they have to be corrected. First, the cancer case. The treatment involved was 100% experimental, efficacy questionable; NO country would have tried it. Second, the tree-cutter: in a dangerous job -- without medical insurance? Does that make sense?

    Absurd to the point of surreal.

  • Loans
  • Posted by R.F. on July 14, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • Yes Frizbane, I am tired of it.

    No Cathey, I think that a holcaust surviver might be the first to tell you to stop the whining. It is an insult to Holocaust survivors everywhere to even compare.

    For the record;

    I had both a Perkins loan and a Stafford loan as an undergrad and paid them back.

    I had another Stafford loan for grad school and I paid it back, even though my lender at the time sold my loans and I lost all of my incentive benefits.

    I did not use it to by new furniture for my dorm room, a new entertainment center or a spring break trip to Florida.

    I used it for tuition, room and board.

    I worked three part time jobs (simultaneously)as an undergrad and worked fulltime as a grad student as well.

    That having been said, I do agree that consumer protections should be built back into student loans just like other loans.

    For those people who have legitimately tried to pay and run into trouble outside of their control I am empathetic.

    The problem with the Blog media is that telling your story here we are only getting one side as lenders have to respect your privacy. I am fairly certain that most of you did not do something that you were supposed to do at the time you were supposed to do it.

    Most students can and do pay their loans back. Having said that, I would like to see more grants and work-study for college.

    I cannot understand why a college degree is the one thing that people think they can get without paying for it. You won't drive a car of the lot without the dealership getting their money up front.

    For the women who asked if it was unsual for a college to ask a student to apply for a loan at registration: No, it is not! And how did you think you were going to pay for it? If you can't pay the tuition bill out of your pocket, how were you going to pay?

    The taxpayers get to subsidize a loan for you in addition to all of the other tax breaks, grants and loans. You only have two responsibilities, learn your major so that you can graduate, and PAY BACK your loan.

  • Non issue?!
  • Posted by VOPSST Student Loan Farming on July 14, 2008 at 2:50pm EDT
  • "Student loan default rates have been a non-issue since the early 1990s, when federal policymakers cracked down on unscrupulous fly-by-night colleges that were abusing the system."

    That may be a non issue for the government, who is now hounding the victims of those 2 year trade schools, but for the victims, the issue is an on going nightmare that has relegated the people to 2nd and sometimes 3rd class citizenship in their own country.

    Unable to pay even the basic montly payment, their lives are ruined. They cannot get even a simple bank loan to buy transporation, many are refused employment. Still others are constantly on the move, trying to out run collections agencies which violate the collections laws while they harras these people, trying to get what these people do not have.

    Still other victims have been driven to turn to criminal enterprise to get money to pay off the loans, others have left the country and surrendered their Citizenship to escape the nightmare, and others have taken the final steps of suicide.

    All of that because all consumer protections have been eliminated for student loans.

    WAIT A SECOND!??? Aren't we all supposed to have =EQUAL= protection under our laws? And doesn't that include consumer protections?

    The fact is in 1990, after 30 years of neglect, the US congress FINALLY started doing its duty and started imposing oversight regualations on the trade school system.

    The Sad fact is, now that the did that, they still have NOT yet offered any relief for the victims of those schools, even though the US congressional testimony (in the US house and senate records) clearly shows that the government knew these people were victims and would NEVER be able to pay off the loans. Yet nothing has been done about it.

    Now, nearly 20 years after the fact, the victims of the 70's and 80's are still suffering, and many are neering retirement with nothing saved up becasue if they do, it's taken from them without a court order. So they have NOTHING to retire on except social security. And now with the new laws, even that can be administrativly garnished 15 percent, without the 7th amendment protections.

    Are we going to relagate these people to 3rd class citizenship even in their retirement?

    How long must they be punished as victims? As long as they remain an "non issue" to the congress, they along with the current defaultees will continue to be victims of student loan predatory lending.

  • A rude awakening
  • Posted by A.T. on July 14, 2008 at 3:00pm EDT
  • The worst part of it all to me is that moment you realize that unless you win the lottery, you will never save anything for the rest of your life even if you can somehow manage not to default...that your future is work without end with no chance of keeping anything. This is slavery. Tack on some unexpected health care costs (especially of you don't have insurance and maybe even if you do) and you might be homeless. But it is even more than that...I am now dating someone and the idea of getting married has been floating around a little. But my credit is shot and I worry that being married might taint her good credit with my bad credit. Can we afford to be formally married and take that chance? If her credit is damaged then we would really be in danger. If you are lucky enough not to have kids can you imagine a time in your life when you will feel financial secure enough to make that investment? What if you did and then got divorced as so many do? Now you are paying alimony and child support and huge loan payments and maybe credit card payments too!...what if you just can't make it? Sounds like some commenters here have actually been homeless for a while. At my lowest moments I have contemplated suicide with a gun to my head. But my father co-signed on one of the loans! Killing myself would just transfer the burden to him.

    Personally, I have been paying about $1100 per month for about 4 years on 180,000 in loans. Yes, $180,000. It used to be over 190,000. Who would ever lend you so much money without collateral? Someone with no risk of loss I guess. Trying to hit a homerun with higher education has definitely been the great mistake of my life. I always think about that bumper sticker that says something like "if you think education is expensive you should try ignorance." I think that catchy phrase was dreamed up when education was a lot cheaper. At this point, and with the job market that I have battled since my first graduate school graduation, I would gladly trade back my education for some ignorance if the debt would go along with it. Even debtor's prison for a few years seems like a good deal if you can come out debt free. Or six years of indentured servitude. Indentured servitude ends. Slavery does not and that is what some of us are dealing with.

    Personally, I have not yet defaulted although I know that will change. There is no chance that I will ever pay off my loans even without the added 20 to 50% that will get tacked on after default. I was in real estate doing well until everything started to collapse last August. My loans are on educational deferrment for a few years, (went back to Tech school...no more loans this time though)but when I get out I know that I will never be able to make the payments. (which will probably be around $1300 per month by then because of the staggered repayment schedule) I will go into default. I am already in bankruptcy and have lost everything. My credit score is already basically a zero. It was over a 730 a year ago. Hopefully, if enough awareness is raised about this problem the law will change but I would not hold your breath. Sallie Mae donates a lot of money to our legislators you know.

    Given that I basically have no future I have looked into some pretty big alternatives to what had been my formal "life plan". Some of you may find it interesting to note that there are a few states in the US that do no allow wage garnishment and so even though you can't get rid of the debt, they can't take it out of your paycheck. (SS garnishment is another issue though) Also, Canada does not use the same credit reporting agencies as the US and so credit (both good and bad credit) does not follow you if you can manage to emmigrate to Canada.
    US Student loans will follow you to Canada, but US loans reduced to a Canadian civil judgment can be discharged in a Canadian bankruptcy as far as I know. This will not wipe out your US debt, but at least you could live free in Canada.

    It is just amazing how all this has happened. It is incredible for me to think that I would have been better off skipping college and grad school and delivering pizzas...no debt, no outsourcing and you can even make more money net of the payments you won't be making.

  • Posted by A , Long Sharking Is A Crime on July 14, 2008 at 4:15pm EDT
  • I was a low-income student who went to school and took out loans to pay for my education. The promise was I would make more money than I could without a college education. I wanted to be a teacher; so I could encourage struggling economic disadvantage children to excel. A lofty dream I know, but a teacher was what I wanted to be. Needless to say, I am a teacher, but I can't afford to eat and pay the student loans back. My loan holder even tells me I can't afford to pay them back. The original amount I borrowed has now tripled. I was promised $50.00 a month would pay my loans back. When you are nineteen years old you don't fully understand that the financial aid officer is not talking about your loans. They were talking about a loan amount of $500.00. Loan-sharking is illegal, but the student loan industry is committing the same crime. No matter has much one pays on student loans they can never be paid them off. I have been out of school a few months short of 10 years. What I owe in student loans I could own a really nice home, instead of renting in a crime infested neighborhood where my kids can't go out to play. Remember I have a degree and I work in my dream profession, but I can't afford the dream life, because I am saddled under a mountain of student loan long-sharking debt.

  • Buoyed by public subsidies?
  • Posted by CCPhysicist on July 14, 2008 at 5:35pm EDT
  • It currently costs about $18,000 to attend the state university I graduated from. My cost, corrected for inflation, was less that half of what students pay today. This change is dominated by spectacular tuition increases that are partly due to a decrease in the "public subsidy" (in constant dollars) in the past 25 years. There are quite a few large state universities where that subsidy is only 20% of the cost of instruction.

    This doubling (in real terms) of the cost resulted from seemingly tiny % increases compounding over several decades and, IMO, the favorable comparison between the quality of state universities and private ones so it still looks like a good deal - if only because private tuition has gone up even faster.

  • indentured servitude or student aid?
  • Posted by d naylor on July 14, 2008 at 5:35pm EDT
  • The debt is not mine, nor my childrens' and my husband signed for the first finacial aid (ironic sarcasm) NYSHEC loan at 17.

    The original loan was $16,000.
    Six months into our marriage my husband got laid off. He was hired again eventually but by then the mean people had started calling wanting large sums of money at a time to stop default and always the dire warning "You will never own a house!" What were they cursing us? 22+ of marriage three great honors level kids and yes we do NOT own a house.

    We are not rich. We did not go on lavish vacations or own big ticket items. Most of the time we could bearly make ends meet and when we could maybe pay something they demanded money beyond our means.

    So now it has been sold/lent/given to the "william d ford agency" also with the federal government this was sold to us as help. Not only did they help themselves to over $5000 in additional fees on an already bloated amount. . .they continue to help themselves to 8% interest on the whole thing. . .interest and principle has now become principle and this was sold to us just like the student loan was. . .our government going to help us. I can not tell you how helped I feel right not. . .I really can not it would border on the obscene.

    Now the biggest obscenity of them all
    original loan $16,000
    current amount
    $56,000

    nice interest 300+%

    my question is when does interest end and usury and violiation of "excessive fine and punishment" constitutionally begin??

  • In Default and Frightened
  • Posted by Ellen on July 14, 2008 at 7:30pm EDT
  • I suddenly found myself a widow, and all I could find were minimum wage jobs in factories. Friends,family members,and even a lawyer encouraged me to go to college. I was accepted, worked very hard and found myself constantly on the Dean's List,elected to the Student Government,and I graduated with honors. Then I went to seminary for a couple years. Again, I achieved a very high point average.
    I was so stupid! Although I was given grants,
    awards and scholarships, I needed to take out Student Loans. In my case with PHEAA. So, when life did a few numbers on me...like having to quit graduate school to help take care of a parent with multiple and terminal health problems. Despite trying to pay back a portion while working a part time job, I was defaulted, let go of that job, and have never been able to find anything substantial since because of BAD CREDIT. The original $15,000 I borrowed is now $36,000 and growing daily. The collectors are allowed to use all kinds of methods to collect that would put the MOB to shame.
    Right now I am very worried. I am out of work and unable to find even a part time job.
    Not one dime has been saved toward my retirement (I am 55 years old). My 86yr old mother has now been diagnosed with Stage 4 Cancer. She has a low-income, and nothing will be left when she passes, including a roof over my head. I continually pray that I can find another job.
    Bankruptcy protection needs to be allowed for people who have my problem, whether it is a private loan or a government one..like mine.
    Life can get worse and worse if one has unexpected circumstances. Private or goverment loans.,,,not worth it.

  • Someone deserves thanks
  • Posted by finaidfollies on July 14, 2008 at 10:10pm EDT
  • ...for sharing the IHE link with many, many folks who have suffered real-life damage because of the current system of paying for higher education.

    Aid administrators, lenders, and guarantors, read this.

    There is a pox on only half of the people who deliver financial aid. I know from decades of work in financial aid that there are many people who genuinely care, move mountains to make education attainable one student at a time, and work for unfairly low wages.

    Then there's the other half. Those who don't know jack about aid; see only dollars when looking at education; will use the most crass methods to secure business; will use the most arcane regs to secure business.

    Which side are you on?

    Don't answer so fast. Who will use the slickest adverts to secure enrollment; rationalize the way that regs wring every shekel from families, because they can; excuse every increase in cost; justify every capital-intensive project; wave off every tax-deductible sports complex, wellness center, temple-trinket; blame Washington or your state capital when budgetary ends don't meet?

    Now, you two-faced fin aid community: WHO'S SIDE ARE YOU ON?

  • Posted by Karen on July 15, 2008 at 5:15am EDT
  • Exactly why is it that I cannot refinance my students loans? Yes, I have some private professional school loans, but why are these exempt from refinancing? I believe that you can even refi your auto loan. They say that your home is the largest investment that you will ever make. In the case of some former students, their student loans are quite substantial also.

  • Posted by Leni Siegel on July 15, 2008 at 5:15am EDT
  • At my graduate school, the financial aid offered us Citibank Student Loans. I needed the money and worked hard to earn a Master's Degree in Clinical Psychology. I logged 3,000 hours of Clinical Supervision as I interned in low paying or no pay internships, finally getting a License to practice in my field. While I received an "economic defermet" during those years I did not understand that I was being charged interest upon interest (those were the terms) and when I was able to land a job, my student loan debt tripled. I tried to consolidate at 6.5% and now have a loan with a company that calculates that I will be paying back $600 a month until I turn 92! I am now 63. We need some kind of loan forgiveness program for those of us who have devoted our professional careers to those in need. I work in Richmond, California, a "war zone" providing mental health services to children, 0 - 6 and their families. The loan companies are gouging us as consumers -- we are not allowed to refinance and this seems completely unfair. We've been swindled and no one seems to care.

    Leni Siegel

  • Documenting the State Role in Tuition Increases
  • Posted by CCPhysicist on July 15, 2008 at 5:15am EDT
  • Due to the luck of having pack-rat parents, I was able to make a rough estimate of how college costs have changed at one particular state university in the last 40 years or so.

    http://doctorpion.blogspot.com/2008/07/inflated-inflation.html

    Some numbers are crude estimates, but the signal is much too big to be obscured by any background noise. State budget cuts do not explain the rise in tuition when inflation is taken into account.

  • Posted by R to the G , Unemployed on July 15, 2008 at 5:15am EDT
  • I really, really wish I had been a more conscious consumer and I wish I would have read into all of this four years ago before I started college. I went to college online because I "just had to" get my degree in two years. I started in March of 2005 and graduated in September of 2006 (I had taken classes previous at a tech school and the credits transferred over). For only one and a half years of schooling, I paid roughly $45K, and about $20K is in SALLIE MAE private loans. My college did not even want to give me a choice. They shoved me into it and said Sallie Mae was great and didn't even check your credit. I didn't look into the insane interest rates (One of them was 18.5%!! Now because we're in an "economic slowdown" that loan dropped to 14%, which is still insane. My credit card's interest rate is 9%), penalites, defaults, etc. I wanted to get my degree so I could get out of my six-dollar-an-hour McJob!
    I DID have a potentially great paying job...for 3 1/2 months this year. I thought "Great, I'm set!" (My private loans have been in forbearance for a little over a year now while the interest is piling up. I have until next April to start paying it back because I know there is NO WAY that I'll be able to pay it back now.) My "great job", unfortunately, gave me and 300 other people the boot. I've been unemployed for a little over a month now. There are very few job opportunites where I live and there's no way I can afford to relocate now!!
    So here I am, almost 24, desperately trying to collect unemployment with both my private and federal loans in forbearance. I am so scared, reading everyone else's stories because I know that it will probably happen to me. By the way, my "great job" that I got had nothing to do with my degree. I didn't even need a college degree to get it; I had previous experience. In fact, since I finished college, none of the jobs I had (or interviews that I'm going to now) I got because I had experience. Not a college education.
    I will never be able to own my own house now. I'm probably going to have to move BACK IN with my parents for a third time. I'll never be able to afford to have kids. I'll probably have to file for bankruptcy and will be paying back those loans until I'm in my 50's at least. In the long run, if all goes well, I'm going to be paying back $87K on a $20K loan.
    ***THE BIGGEST MISTAKE I EVER MADE IN MY LIFE, IS THAT I WENT TO COLLEGE.***

  • Student Loans
  • Posted by Ellen Frisch on July 15, 2008 at 10:20am EDT
  • If the government can bail out the crooks in the sub-prime debacle and the people with brains of guinea pigs (I can buy a $400,000 house with no money down and a job that pays $20,000 a year) why won't they look at the student loan industry? They are essentially failing a generation of people with their high handedness. I have written senators, the Dept. of Finance, virtually anyone I could think of and been told, too bad, we cannot (cannot not will not) help you. This is a federal thing and we cannot interject. Even lawyers won't touch it, now THAT tells you something. How many defaults are there? And how many people are paying, but cannot afford a car or the basic necessities? This is reality...it's criminal.

  • student loans
  • Posted by nancy on July 15, 2008 at 12:25pm EDT
  • I am constantly worried, and feeling that my life is threatened. And, that is because of student loans.
    I think often about taking my own life.It is
    not that I would do so at this time, but, I think about it. I think about it because of
    my circumstances and what student loans have done to me. My life will never be stable.

    I was one of those "vulnerable" students 10 years ago...... and not only have student loans ruined my life, I have been ill, and also financially disabled for several years.
    Slowly I have also been getting physically limited. 2 years ago I went through a period where I could barely walk for 7 months. Just before that I had applied for Social Security because of my problems with walking. (I had problems with my knees, and back, and one hip. I was in pain all the time. I had no insurance.no money, and only a little help), I was denied Social Security because they said I did not work enough hours, and, even if I had, I would only get a little over 200 dollars a month at this point.
    At my medical exam for Social Security, the Dr. refused to help me sit up from the exam table, and I hurt my back further getting up, and re-hurt my knee getting off the exam table. Consequently, I had trouble walking for 7 months........
    I was in the emergency room for one of my knees in 2007.
    I have even recieved shots in one of my knees,and, my knees,
    are not going to get better without surgery.
    I need physical therapy for my other issues,
    in order to see if they get better. I have no money, so I can't have medical insurance, and therefore I will not get help to get better.

    I had a part time job. I made around 350 dollars for 2007.I spent half of 2007 sick.
    I was sent home from my job because of my injuries. One of my knees gave out at work, I was sent home twice.
    And on another occaision,one of my fellow workers did not want me to be working with her because my physical limitations would hinder what needed to be done.. And this issue is why i can no longer do what I was doing. It happens to me frequently.I am on and off cruthches several times a year.
    MY debt is at a point I will never be able to recover from. And yet, instead of releasing me as I begged for several years........so I can maybe repair my credit IF I can find work..............
    Student Loans knowingly continues to keep me in debt and watch my debt go higher from interest to their eventual benefit.
    This year,
    I was put in default, 2 or 3 weeks after I ultimately gave up asking for release, after every threat they sent that i responded back to asking to be released........
    I requested a form for permanant disability.They sent me the disability form, and 2 or 3 weeks later they sent me the default notice......I hadn't even been to the doctor yet.
    Currently I owe about 78,000 dollars. I borrowed I think 32,000 dollars......Imagine what it will be in another 10 years......
    AT BEST when I reach Social Security age,
    I will get somewhere in the vicinity of 3 or 400 dollars a month. if I am lucky, and I can create a job for myself, which I am trying to do, or I can find a job that I can do without being sent home all the time.

    By the time I am eligible for Social Security, if it even exists by then... I am sure that prices of food,and medical care will have reached epidemic proportion, not to mention utilities.

    Basically I am looking at being murdered
    by Student Loan Debt Collection, am I not???
    Am I not like so many others in my shoes a walking dead person now ???
    They want to take tax return money, take wages from people who make under the poverty level income ,take your job if you work as a public servant, or have you fired, and then what? drawn and quartered?......take take take take take....and they want to do this without regards to what your circumstances are. They get to harass you on the phone, they get to send you threatening letters, they get to take food out of your mouth both now, when you retire,and when you ertire also they'll take medicines away from you that you most likely take so you don't die........
    AND THE GOVERNMENT SAID IT IS O.K. FOR THEM TO DO AND WITHOUT REPRECUTIONS FROM YOU.

    So the Bush Administration has basically allowed the genecide of millions of American people through student loan debt ? INDENTURMENT? FEUDALIASM? SOCIALISM?
    in any case unconstitutional for sure.
    pick one of the above that strikes your fancy.... I think all of them can fit.

    People who are doing nothing more than trying to better themselves,and be productive members of our country, and who have been befallen with a debt they can not possibly repay because of low salaries they make, or they are not finding work at all...
    for whatever the reasons...
    and loan payments which will prevent them from taking care of themselves and their families.

    It wreaks of a government, and of a body of
    huge corporations who run it behind the scenes who do not care about anything that really happens outside their own world.
    Unless something happens to a family member of their own...why then, they just pass a bill.

    By perpetuating the practices the Bush Administration has allowed the student loan industry to commit on vulnerable citizens......my life is over now. It has turned into a living hell.
    It was over the minute I signed the papers, unbeknownst to me.
    My life took unexpected turns, and continued to spiral downward.

    There were, and still are issues of poverty due to personal illness and the illness of family members.
    I NEVER WENT BACK TO SCHOOL INTENDING NOT TO PAY MY LOANS BACK . I WENT IN HOPES OF GETTING A GOOD JOB WHEN I WAS DONE WITH SCHOOL IN ORDER TO HELP AND SUPPORT MY TROUBLED FAMILY.I WENT WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS.
    Unfortunately I became ill,and some one in my family was , and still is ill, and I had to leave school my last semester. As a result,I have never been able to secure a job in the competetive job market.

    When I reach 62 or 65......only about 10 years away....
    I will also barely be able to meet bills, or eat.
    I will end up an elderly person who is homeless, when Student Loans begin to draw their 25%. and at that point.......I will
    end up homeless, and most definitely,starve, and die.

  • Thanks to All of You!
  • Posted by Dr. K on July 15, 2008 at 12:25pm EDT
  • I just wanted to thank Mr. Carey and all of you who have added comments to this story. I work in an "open access" institution, meaning that my college accepts many students who are in every way underprepared for college, and who are pursuing college for purely pragmatic reasons. In the past year, my faculty has been struggling with the fact that too many of our students work too many hours and are therefore at high risk for dropping out. A traditional teen college student with no major responsibilities can PERHAPS handle a 25-hour-per-week job on top of 40 hours of classtime and study, if need be. A 30-year-old with two kids is less likely to be able to manage such a load.

    And so, my colleagues and I, ourselves indebeted until we die, tend to advise overworked students to consider a loan. Your comments have convinced me that this, too, is a dangerous proposal. But my state's statistics (and my professional experience) don't support the idea that most part-time students ever finish, either. Many have discussed belt-tightening on the part of colleges. It seems that our students will have to embrace at least tempory penury, too. We can't avoid the idea that many work too much or borrow too much in part because they want to live beyond their means.

  • Posted by Brian on July 15, 2008 at 12:45pm EDT
  • I borrowed for my education and have paid back nearly the original loan amount, but am still heavily in debt. In fact I owe more than I originally borrowed! I'm in my mid-40s. Unless consumer protections are restored for student loans, I will die still in debt. I have no assets of any kind and live paycheck to paycheck. I still can't afford to get married or support a family. Would have been far better off not going to college at all.

  • I see a need for statistics
  • Posted by Rebecca Gibson on July 15, 2008 at 2:55pm EDT
  • I have looked in vain for actual statistics regarding what these beneficent student loans often look like ten, twenty, thirty years down the road. It would be interesting and useful to see some hard numbers on amounts borrowed, amounts still owed despite what's been paid, among other things. Anyone have any ideas how to go about this? The stories are so numerous and so overwhelming. I think the devastation is much more widespread than one would imagine. If anyone has ideas about how to gather and assimilate this type of info. please post ideas here. Perhaps we could collectively pull this off.

  • Education Funding Club
  • Posted by Jeff Schneider on July 15, 2008 at 5:10pm EDT
  • Try looking at Educationfundingclub.org it is a private membership organization who's membership comes togeather for the purpose of funding higher education without incurring debt.

  • gee thanks, jeff
  • Posted by Rebecca Gibson on July 15, 2008 at 5:55pm EDT
  • Little late for that, for those of us who've already sold our soul to the devil, I mean student loan program.....

  • Student loans and corrupt WDC politicans
  • Posted by Joseph Galata , media at SAFF on July 15, 2008 at 7:25pm EDT
  • The horror stories about student loans goes on and on and never ends.... because the corruption of the politicians in WDC - Democrat and Republican alike - rumbles and rambles on. Those afflicted by student loan companies such as Sallie Mae and Student Loan Express, etc. continue to tell their heartbreaking stories to media, lawyers, educators and to one another; however, nothing changes because the relationship between politicans in WDC and the student loan lobbyists never changes. Has the media done any stories on a relationship between Fannie Mae and Sallie Mae, the US Banks and the WDC politicians? Any flow of money and energy between them all? Frankly, I'm tired of hearing the heartwrenching stories of Americans across the country about their student loans... what I'd like to finally hear is a few politicians in WDC who sincerely propose a solution to those already afflicted by the corruption of the student loan industry.

  • wage garnishment
  • Posted by Harold Sewell on July 15, 2008 at 7:50pm EDT
  • This is an excellent article. The problem has many facets.
    Borrowers have many grievances, from the terms of the loan to the methods of collection.

    My interest is in garnishment of wages. Originally, the law provided for 10% garnishment of disposable wages. Then it was 15%. Then, Department of Education determined that if there were two student loans, one could garnish 15%, the other 10%. Furthermore, anyone whose wages are garnished is effectively in debtors' prison. While your employer cannot fire you, there are many avenues financially that are closed to you.

    My advice is that people who are aggrieved address one issue at a time. And unite.

  • student loans
  • Posted by Jean SmilingCoyote on July 15, 2008 at 9:10pm EDT
  • From where I stand, the more fundamental problem is the lack of national commitment to full employment and commensurate pay for all college graduates. By "full employment" is meant that the graduates' educations and talents are fully employed - not that they can all get jobs flipping burgers. Pay commensurate with education means that graduates' college educations are respected to the point where we can start our careers at enough pay to repay our loans in a timely manner as well as support ourselves like middle-class Americans. Many people may not realize it, but the disrespect for college education is evidenced by employer requirements for grads to have already done internships or, when grads answer wants ads purporting "no experience required," employers will only hire those with years of work experience.

  • Contact a Senator
  • Posted by A T on July 15, 2008 at 10:05pm EDT
  • I wrote an email and included this URL to Illinois Senator Dick Durbin. I think last year he introduced a bill that would have been a major help for student loan debtors but as far as I know the legislation died in committee. I wrote to remind him of the past effort and to say to keep doing something. You should all write him (as he is a friendly ear) as well as all other senators and congressmen. Maybe in mass we could make up in numbers what Sallie Mae has in dollars. (your dollars)
    A T

  • Posted by MIke on July 15, 2008 at 10:35pm EDT
  • A good point could be made regarding tuition increases and the availability of loans. We're basically feeding the beast of bureaucracy and athletic programs. When coaches receive six figure bonuses for every game won in a major conference the money has to come from the students.

    There were abuses before the Clinton Administration denied bankruptcy protection, yet even a person declared disabled by Social Security is obligated to repay or be garnished for their student loan, and inevitably it's already in default because of medical problems and job loss, so of course the lenders with the blessing of the Department of Education tack on fees and interest upon the interest until the note has ballooned to double or triple what was originally borrowed.

    Unconscionable!

  • Posted by Mark Smith on July 16, 2008 at 5:10am EDT
  • A few years back colleges rarely had luxurious rec centers with climbing walls, heated pools, dorms which resembled condos, and gourmet food in the dining halls. Has anyone noticed the positive correlation between all the bells and whistles at the typical undergrad institution and the student loan mess? Maybe we need to go back to entertaining oneself with 2 or 3 friends and uno cards or a chess board in the hall of a cinder block dorm.

  • Drowning in Debt
  • Posted by IHE Reader on July 16, 2008 at 9:30am EDT
  • Here is an article outlining some help for those with high student loan debt:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/generationdebt/94021;_ylt=AvMiJoYYpUKvwuT3qYCZV_27YWsA

    Hope it is useful.

  • For Every Cloud...
  • Posted by Pollyanna , Collection Manager at Major University on July 16, 2008 at 3:00pm EDT
  • Let's see... greedy leaders and lenders, irresponsible students, a seemingly uncaring and negligent government... looks like we got the makings of a dysfunctional college financing system!

    Someone has already suggested that the folks who have posted their nightmares here didn't do something when they were supposed to... so I won't go there other than to say nothing happened that wasn't disclosed BEFORE signing the PROMISE TO PAY. The devil is in the details.

    And someone else has posted a link to a site that shows that our government has recognized that there IS a problem and has taken steps to make things better, so no need to go there, either.

    Who should pay for college? Should it be the government? Should the average taxpayer be subsidizing folks with above-average incomes who have over-borrowed?

    Believe it or not, there IS some good news! At my school, the default rate is under 5% which tells me that 9 1/2 of every 10 students who PROMISE TO PAY do so. The system can and does work for most students. For every nightmare posted here there are many more success stories.

  • Posted by rebecca gibson on July 16, 2008 at 3:45pm EDT
  • It slays me that there is almost never any mention of the real gist of all this. When one takes out a student loan, one is in a very real way placing a giant bet that everything in their life will go as planned, without a hitch. That means you get the job you want right away with ever-increasing compensation and never get laid off, never get sick or have an accident or have a spouse or family member who needs care to survive, never have unplanned children and god help you if you have one with special needs, no natural disaster will ever touch you, and the economy stays strong and vibrant and you are not ever the unfortunate victim of identity theft, or a fire, or a botched surgery, and let's just hope that your husband who just got back from Baghdad with a TBI will actually receive his pay and benefits, although that doesn't seem to be the trend. If any of the above scenarios befall you, however, you are absolutely screwed. You would have been better off gambling in Vegas - now you will likely never see a debt-free day as long as you live.

  • pollyanna your name suits
  • Posted by d naylor on July 16, 2008 at 4:10pm EDT
  • rules changed post signing of papers. .ie backrupcy changes in the 90's

    I am fairly certain none of that was in writing and to require the average person to wade through the tiny printing when college officers and ones own parents are saying "go ahead is pollyanna-ish "everyone should read carefully. hehe"

    or to even have the guts to call and say "we have a problem" when they are calling hounding you when you get home from work. . .how are we supposed to have deduced that the sharks would help us in our stupid twenties?

    your numbers are skewed . . .5% . . yeah and we only have 4% inflation.. .if ya don't count food and fuel.

  • Posted by James , Not Every Loan Was Signed For on July 16, 2008 at 4:10pm EDT
  • For the person that basically said the same thing Sallie Mae says. You shouldnt have signed the paperwork. Guess what I signed no paperwork with any terms on for private loans through Sallie Mae. I was mislead through the process and thought all the loans were the same. Protected federal loans with set interest rates. I was charged $1500 in fees and 18.25% interest on $13,000 that jumped to over $20,000 while I sat in school for 2 years. There is absolutley no truth in lending documents for these loans so I have refused to pay a pennie on them. The schools mislead you because they get kickbacks from Sallie Mae through a loophole that was created by lobbyists in behalf of Sallie Mae. So dont just say well you shouldnt have signed for the loans because some of us didnt!

  • Rules changed after the fact
  • Posted by A T on July 16, 2008 at 7:00pm EDT
  • Agreed. The rules changed after I signed the papers. Private loans became immune to bankruptcy in 2005, fully two years after my last loan. Unlike Federal loans, there are no loan forgiveness programs for private loans. One of the posters even said that he filed bankruptcy and Sallie Mae pushed his loans into default status even though bankruptcies do not affect student loans by law. How is that even legal?

    I find the high-minded moralistic approach (ie you should have read before you signed or that by your inability to pay these honest debts you have committed a great moral transgression) to be a bit out of place here given the context. As if Sallie Mae was some hardworking grandmother who had scrimped her whole life to lend you some college money at reasonable terms and now you have let her down since you can't pay and so she is going to suffer because of your failures) Consider some of the real life details:

    What difference does it make if you read the contract or not when you have no power to negotiate either way? You take it or you leave it. Further, often companies reserve the right to change contract terms at any time with and sometimes without notice. How is this honest? As an education is the only way to make it anymore(that is what they always tell us) you either sign up or put on your McSmile and start flipping.

    Further, the idea of the lazy, irresponsible student and the honest lender paving the road to your American dream is dated to say the least. Why is it that only the borrowers are expected to uphold their end of the deal and Sallie Mae and others get to hide behind one-sided, self-serving, non-negotiable, byzantine contractual clauses?

    Why is it ok to apply a payment that is one day late entirely to this and next months' interest amount thus preventing any current principal from being repaid and then charging you a late-fee on top of that?! They are not only stealing your money, they are stealing your future. These contract arrangements are unconscionable whether they were disclosed or not.

    An educated population is important for the country as a whole and yet individual educations are always looked at as a private benefit. If you are making so much more money over a life-time then you are paying a whole lot more money in taxes over your life time as well. Your education and abilities are a benefit to the entire country, not just yourself.

    The government says education is important and yet if you make anywhere near enough to pay back your debts you don't even get to deduct the interest on your loans against your income tax -- much less the actual cost of your education.

    I wish the government cared as much about bailing out students as it does major corporations headed by multi-billionaire CEOs who are too big to fail. There is an entire generation of people here who will never have a chance to begin saving anything meaningful to pay for their un-affordable retirement or ballooning health care costs because they spent all of the productive years padding the pockets of Albert Lord so he can afford to buy a professional baseball team or some jerk working a state job at the collections dept of a major university with a state retirement. You can't have a democracy with a slave class. Sooner or later this is going to come home to roost.

    It is time that we as a People really considered who "our" government is actually serving here and who writes the rules and for who's benefit. These mega-corps are so big they can afford to buy not just the vote of one corrupt politian, but the votes of many. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court consistently limits any attempts to slow down the super rich's spending in their own political campaigns under the guise of the first amendment thus insuring that money and political donations from Sallie Mae and others (like Freddie Mac to mention one in the news lately) will remain ever more desired and required by politicians.

    I guess what we really need is a union with collective bargaining power. You can't do anything alone and Sallie Mae is a congressionally sanctioned Goliath. Like Goliath it needs its head cut off.

  • Being Overlooked
  • Posted by Daniele Grasser , Juvenile Probation Officer at County on July 17, 2008 at 5:05am EDT
  • It seems to me that everything is being said about those people who are not paying their student loans. My issue is, how about those of us who have paid and paid for years and whose debts have barely gone down. I have paid, never in default, for >12 years. My debt went from $49,000 to 69,000 during 1.5 yrs of deferral and 3 years of paying less than the interest being accrued on my debt on a daily basis. This went on until one day I realized I was paying interest on interest every day and that the payment Sallie Mae had set up for me didn't even come close to covering my interest. So I got a second job and have been paying, at one point 1/3 of my take home pay a month. I did not get to go on vacations or reap any of the benefits of my education/job.
    I know that I am not alone. There are many of us out there, police officers, social workers, teacher and others who love our work and serve others who are caught in a never-ending spiral of frustration. Yet you never hear about us, we are too busy working to carry on and picket or write 100 letters. So we get ignored and those who don't get second jobs or don't work at all get all the attention. If some of these people had put half the energy they put into protesting into working, they could be just like me getting the shaft every time they turn around. Being made to feel like and idiot for having paid >$50,000 in interest to reduce their debt by $15,000, when they could just have defaulted and now have their reduced back to what they originally borrowed. What deal. Do I feel stupid and really angry at the lazy butt heads who always want a free ride and get it because we have weak, oil the sqweaky wheel politicians.
    The new senate bull that among other things, is supposed to give respite for those of us in the public sector, is only good for those who are graduating now. How about those of us who have already been paying and who have been royally screwed by the epartment of Education's administrators who made policy that allowed student loan "servicers" to rape and pillage students coming out of colleges 12-15 years ago because they, of the DOE & Services were in bed together? Do we get a grandfather clause so we can get a break? Not a chance, we are told we have to work 10 more years and pay for 10 more years before we are eligible to have our debt forgiven. WOW thanks a lot - but I personally will be 73 years old and probably would have paid the loan off at the rate I'm paying a month by then. So BFD. Meanwhile back at the ranch, those people who haven't paid get to get their debt reduced to what they owed and the interest rate reduced and locked in and, Oh yes I almost forgot, they also get to have their payment set at no more than 15% of their gross adjusted salary and forgiven after 20 years. And that is all I have to say about that!

  • becareful
  • Posted by d naylor on July 17, 2008 at 8:45am EDT
  • those that ran into financial trouble are not your enemies. . .they are not the ones that piled draconian interest on you. Your ire is way misplaced.

    This is a point where we all need to be together. . .not just for our stories but for the next batch of students just entering school.

    Question do you want them to suffer the hell you went through?

    This why we do this or at least why I do this. At some point all thinking people have to say "this is wack". And it freakin is.

    The phrase is not to the people, from the people and at the people it is of the people, by the people and for the people. . . Does this seem like government for us? is it how you would do it?

  • Who allowed them to change the contract?
  • Posted by Mac Wildstar on July 17, 2008 at 11:35am EDT
  • Seems to me, that many of us were not given full disclosure of the terms of the student loan contracts, which we signed up for.

    Were any of you told, that if you defaulted, that the government or any other "person" could change the terms of your contract without your prior approval?

    Did anyone tell you that thru the congressional rule making authority, that congress would be able to change the restrictions placed upon your loan? Or that they would be able to eliminate them?

    If you obtained your loans prior to the 1990 Higher Education laws that FINALLY addressed the predatory schools, were you told that congress could remove bankruptcy protections on your loans?

    It makes me wonder if we all have grounds for a class action suit, for willfull neglect on behalf of the government for not making full disclosure.

    Seems to me, that any contract that is entered into, where full and complete disclosure is not made, is legaly NULL AND VOID. And it seems to me, that this is exactly what the government has done, when it choose to back those loans, without first ensuring that the lender was making full disclosure of all terms, in clear and precise language.

    The government claims it can garnish your paycheck, social security, or any government payment without a court order. What about the 4th, 5th, and 7th amendment protections?

    If government is acting as a business, that is they have entered into commerce with us, then don't the laws of commerce apply? If they do, then it seems to me, that we have a clear breach of contract because I never gave them the authority to change the terms of my contract without my prior approval.

    It't high time we all stand up to these predators and say NO! No more hounding us, no more harrasing us, no more endless phone calls, no more threatening comments or letters.

    I am surprised a legal group hasn't looked into this yet. Heck, it might make the Tabbaco settlement fiasco look CHEAP by compairison.

    If it were any other institution operating the way the US government via US dept of Ed has, that institution would be under criminal investigation, and its higher office holders arrested and in jail.

  • The Rules Changed
  • Posted by IHE Reader on July 17, 2008 at 2:15pm EDT
  • The argument that "the rules changed" doesn't hold water. Nowhere in a promissory note or loan contract does it state, "Oh, by the way, if you can't repay your loan or if something horrible happens to you, then just file for bankruptcy." Contracts are written up in the legal environment of the day, but they aren't part of that environment. If the environment changes, the contract does not. It isn't the fault of lenders that Congress passed laws to make it harder to declare bankruptcy.

  • Oh yes it is!
  • Posted by A T on July 17, 2008 at 3:25pm EDT
  • Congress did not just randomly eliminate bankruptcy protections on private loans just for the heck of it. Sallie Mae has made many large political contributions to ensure that the rules are changed in their favor. So, I strongly disagree that it is not the lender's fault that congress happened to change the law creating a lender windfall. That favor was bought and paid for.

  • Posted by IHE Reader on July 17, 2008 at 4:00pm EDT
  • While Congress has legions of lobbyists knocking on their door, they aren't simply the agents of business. They have discretion about what bills to pass and not pass, and they can be held accountable through elections. If the majority of Congress thought loan defaults weren't a problem, then they wouldn't have passed the new bankruptcy laws. It's easy to say "big business is bad" (and it is in many ways), but changes in the legal environment don't change one's contractual obligations.

  • Well...
  • Posted by J B on July 17, 2008 at 5:15pm EDT
  • In some ways, I agree with Pollyanna. It's stupid NOT to read the fine print. If you're signing away a huge loan which you know will take some effort for you to pay back, it is incumbent upon you to have researched it before you signed.

    I agree that the policies of the loan industry are absolutely extortionate, and my heart goes out to the people here; I am reading here because I myself am facing student loan debt.

    But before my parents and I signed the loan, we made sure to read every single line, to research each and every company thoroughly, and to compare offers.

    All of which is stuff that can be done for free and which will save you a lot of headache. I guess in the 80's it was a lot different (more difficult to research). But to the guy above who just decided to stop paying because he thought that would "force" Sallie Mae--I obviously don't have to tell you, but such a terrible idea. They have nothing to lose, and they will try to pin it all on you. Whenever there's a discrepancy in my bank account, whatever--as soon as I receive the statement I go hound them, because they'll try to pretend I don't have that money. My dad finds problems in all of our bills each and every month--he is always calling up somebody to tell them how he doesn't ACTUALLY have to pay that $100 that they're claiming he does, and he argues with the financial records he's kept. Never let go, never back down, ALWAYS be as educated as possible about whatever institution or loan shark you are financially connecting yourself with and knowing as much as they do and more, if that were possible. It's about taking as calculated a risk as possible.

    Consumers need to take more responsibility before they realize the devil, and the government needs to get their butt on the job of regulating these people.

  • Posted by A T on July 17, 2008 at 5:15pm EDT
  • Most of congress was not even aware of the change. From what I understand it was a rider on a much larger piece of legislation and so it basically "passed in the middle of the night." It was a "little" detail that was never generally agreed upon. Legislators pretty much read the sections of bills that they are directly related to. Nobody reads those extra 1000 pages that someone else adds in in exchange for their vote. Lots of things get passed this way. How many legislators would say that they voted in favor of the famous "bridge to no where" for example?

  • older student loan debtors
  • Posted by jp on July 17, 2008 at 8:05pm EDT
  • I have been paying off student loans for 22 years. I am now 52 years old and finally making a decent salary, finally. I borrowed a total of 55K as of 1986. I now owe 78K and it continues to grow. I am not in default, have always made payments although had to agree to a payment agreement with HEAL loans that will never repay my debt but keeps me out of default. I have never been able to afford to own a home and never will....all those mortage payments go to the SL industry. I am stuck with high interest loan rates due to consolidation in the early 1990's.....9% now I have reduced to 7.5% on one loan, variable interest on the HEAL. I do not have to be an accountant to see my retirement is to remain as I have my entire adult life a slave to SL debt. There is no staute of limitations on the HEAL debt. They will garnish SS, paychecks, pension. I have many more horrors to share but I am so tired in my life of this indentured servitude. I wish I had never, ever gone to college to seek the better life dream from my blue collar background.

  • Capitlized Interest - big whammy
  • Posted by Susan H on July 18, 2008 at 4:05pm EDT
  • I feel the pain of all of you here. My dear hubby was in the Air Force (enlisted, not making a lot) and we had 2 children when I decided to go to college. I was a stay a home Mom trying to get an education and received both the subsidized and unsubsidized loans while getting my undergrad using the excess as my contribution to the household "income". I took a year off when we had another son but graduated in 1996 after borrowing approximately $32,000.

    Moved to Indiana; got a job, $28k /year. Couldn't afford the payments ($450/mth). Deferred payments and interest was capitalized (added to the principal) every time I entered repayment status. In 1997 I consolidated my loans (and capitalized more interest) at a fixed 9%. From then til now, with the exception for a year where I was able to make payments, I've deferred and then capitalized interest... never able to refinance my loans when rates fell below 4%... I was stuck at 9%.

    Finally a few years ago, when I lost my job, I decided to pursue a graduate degree, borrowing more money, the only way that I could "re-consolidate" and hopefully lower my rate a little. I'm borrowing the max trying to use the extra, when I can, to pay down on other debt. It's the only the thing I could think of to do.

    Why the subject "Capitlized Interest - big whammy"? My biggest complaint is that even with an undergrad degree in accounting and finance, I didn't understand what happens when the interest is capitalized. If you owe $10,000 and they capitalize $1,000 in interest, your new improved principal balance is $11,000. So any accrued interest after the capitalization is accrued on the $11,000, not the $10,000. and the principal amount on which the interest is calculated grows with each turn of the screw.

    So now I'm accruing (since I'm in deferment while in school, I don't have to pay) interest on my interest. When I last actually looked at my Sallie Mae account (a year ago) my principal was about $92,000. I don't have the heart to look at it right now... and the $92k doesn't include my graduate loans... only the undergrad loans that started at $32k.

    So where does that leave me? I haven't had nearly the collection problems that others have had but my loan balances do keep going up, I can't make heads or tails on the principal & interest calculations by Sallie Mae, I'm now "stuck" finishing grad school because if I quit I'll be thrown into repayment I can't afford and I'll probably be paying on my loans til I die. The dear hubby & I keep looking for a way to make an income (no job would cover the payment) that would allow me to pay down/off the loans without killing me in the process. If we find it, I will gladly share the knowledge.

    Hang in there folks and know that you aren't alone.... it's not "just you".

    Susan

  • Posted by Jackson on July 20, 2008 at 8:05pm EDT
  • How about facing up to personal responsibility? Who do these families THINK is going to pay back all these loans? And how? I've seen too many parents encourage their kids to not work in the summers because they might earn too much and it might affect the financial aid package the following year. It's funny, but the kids I knew in college who were getting big student loans are the ones who always had the most cash floating around, not those who were paying full load. So, like I said, personal responsibility. Inform yourselves and stop blaming everyone else for the situation you find yourselves in with huge loans. In other words, what were you thinking?

  • Students Loans Not All Bad
  • Posted by Lucy on July 20, 2008 at 8:05pm EDT
  • This is a different type of student loan story. You see, I am extremely GRATEFUL that student loans exist.

    I was the first in my family to attend college. My parents were low income and could not help me. In fact, my high school guidance counselor told me that I SHOULD NOT go to college because my parents "were poor."

    I made it through four years at a well-known east coast university on financial aid. By the way, I majored in journalism. When I graduated, I had $18,000 in student loans, not much less than what the national average for student debt is today (according to the College Board, the average student debt load at graduation is $20,000). This was 30 years ago. My first job out of college paid the grand sum of $5100 a year. Yet, I managed to pay off those student loans on time.

    I am grateful to student loans because without them I would not have had the opportunities and life I enjoy today. It was sometimes very difficult to pay back those loans, but I managed to make it happen, even during periods of unemployment.

    The problem that I see with student loans is that many students (and their parents) do not understand how to borrow wisely. Nor do they understand the implications of student loans if they feel the need to live beyond their means through further debt accumulation.

    Is it tough to have student loans when you graduate? Of course. But, if you have borrowed wisely, taking into account the amount you are likely to earn after graduation, and made a determined effort to not take on other debt, it can be done.

    Subsidized student loans are not evil. It may mean making some hard choices, not going to college A instead of college B, but loans can help students reach a much better life.

    The simple fact is this: no one is OWED a free college education. If you want a college education, and its potential benefits, you must be willing to make some sacrifices for it. That may include choosing to attend a different college, putting off other gratifications such as credit card spending, and pro-actively seeking other sources of financial aid.

    Yes, people can have unexpected disasters occur that make carrying student loans very difficult, but --- here's the truth --- for the vast majority of students who borrow wisely, student loans can be a very positive thing, not the road to disaster. What we need is better education about student debt, so that our students and their families can make informed, well-thought out decisions.

  • Well Said Lucy
  • Posted by Pollyanna , Collection Manager at Major University on July 21, 2008 at 8:35am EDT
  • I have seen some of the nightmares but I have also seen many more of the success stories like Lucy. If I didn't think I was helping more students than hurting, I would have found another career. For good or bad, student loans have become a necessary evil in higher education for most students.

    Do we need more financial counseling and education for students? Absolutely. Some well-thought out money management techniques and strategies used BEFORE signing on the dotted line will go a long way towards avoiding over-borrowing and getting in over your head. It has become WAY too easy to borrow.

  • what part of not mine do you not get
  • Posted by d naylor on July 21, 2008 at 9:10am EDT
  • not my student loan. ..and yet myself and my kids are deeply affected by it. . .for the rest of our lives.

    What part about excessive and obscene interest and penalties are escaping you all?

    I have no problem with paying back the loan. No problem with paying back the loan plus 100%. . .but the loan. . plus 300% plus and additional 8%. This is wrongness.

    No I do not deserve a free education, but m7y family does deserve to be treated with justice and mercy.

    Plus we do need to look at a STATE run system that is labeled "aid" and yet is a very profitable venture.

    How about if we pile on fees and interest on the failing banks? Think this would help them?

    What is wrong with fair?

    And why does there have to be any evil in education?

    Remember WE ARE THIS COUNTRY. THE GOVERNMENT IS HURTING THIS COUNTRY. WE THE PEOPLE. . .NOT WE THE PEPSI or WE THE TIME/WARNER. . .

    if we the people are not being served. . then who is?

  • Reply to IHE Reader
  • Posted by Mac Wildstar on July 21, 2008 at 10:45pm EDT
  • "The Rules Changed
    The argument that “the rules changed” doesn’t hold water. Nowhere in a promissory note or loan contract does it state, “Oh, by the way, if you can’t repay your loan or if something horrible happens to you, then just file for bankruptcy.” Contracts are written up in the legal environment of the day, but they aren’t part of that environment. "

    The rules of my day, said that I COULD file bankruptcy. The rules of the day said that befor a contract can be valid, full disclosure must be made.

    Fact is Full disclosure was NOT made. The goverment did not have its agent present to represent the governments interest in the contract, and they had NO oversight at the time, imposed on the schools (during the 70's and 80's). Even the US congressional record (US Senate) clearly shows the government knew these schools were selling garbage educations, leaving the students with debts they would never be able to repay. The government knew that in 1975 and again in 1991 according to the US senate report 1991, May, US Senate report 102-58, 102nd congress, 1st session.

    Yet nothing was done, nothing is being done to help those people who fell prey to the predatory trade schools of the time.

    There have been numberous articles on that fact. "The selling of dreams" an article in the George town Law Journal, by Patrick F Linehan published in in March of 2001, what these proprietary schools did was they sold you a dream, not an education.

    Congress removed all consumer protections on student loans. If they can bail out the home mortage industry, why not help the victims of the 70's and 80's when congress KNEW these citizens were being cheated?

    This is not whining. IT is demanding equal treatment under the law.

    Remember the credit card skam by the credit card companies? GIVING AWAY cards to students who didn't even have jobs, then when too many file bankruptcy on them, they paid big money to get the law changed to protect them from their own actions.

    Want a solution to the student loan default problem? Allow the students who defaulted prior to 1995 to pay off the amount borrowed ONLY. No interest, no nothing.. Otherwise give us equal protection under the law, and that means and includes bankruptcy protection and forgiveness as it applies to any other kind of government loan.

  • St George's University
  • Posted by Charles Meistrell on July 24, 2008 at 11:15am EDT
  • My wife has student loans
    The university offered loans counceling and made representations.

    The representations have not been recognized by the lenders. (One did settle with us the other has not, but has transfered the loans to nobody knows who and stopped collections) I am now fighting poor credit reporting regarding.

    The point I wish to make is that the university or whoever councils the students has a duty to make all the economics clear and not take student loans that they know are going to be a problem. They are the expert not the student. Misrepresentation is the problem and the university should be responsible. In her case the university made undisclosed payments to the lenders.

  • Posted by erik on July 25, 2008 at 10:30pm EDT
  • people that utilize usury as their main source of revenue are the most vile life forms on this planet...there's a reason they were so far down in dante's inferno

  • Those Who Are Paying Their Loans Back
  • Posted by Linda on July 29, 2008 at 8:15pm EDT
  • I've been on both sides of this issue. I paid back my college debt with a great deal of difficulty while working two low-paying jobs. Ten years after college, I went to graduate school with EVERYONE promising me that I was guaranteed a great salary when I graduated--books, magazines, relatives, friends, and newspapers. And I had bankruptcy protection to soften the terms of the one-sided contract. (And I've had loan officers scoff at the notion that we would ever understand these contracts or the educational loan industry.) And only on very very rare occasions had Congress retroactively applied a new law. So it was unforeseeable that they would go to such extreme measures for student loans. The extreme nature of their behavior means something is terribly wrong.

    I felt the need for higher education because I wanted a recession-proof salary. Fear sent me back to school. I have always been willing to work very hard all day long. But it is all for nothing now.

    I had a bad career outcome because competition became fierce: everyone had the same idea to go back to school because of the bad economy. The mainstream media sent us to school. At the same time, my government got greedy and used the false pretense of wealthy people not paying their loans back to hurt all of us.

    Here's what the small-minded and uneducated are missing that I resent to the point of being dangerous: When the kids who are currently 14 years old go to college in four years, there will be two generations who've been screwed. The older generation, their parents, won't be able to help them--EVER, because they are stuck with a lifetime of debt. CATCH THIS: These people are the basis of our economy. We need these people to save lots of money for themselves so that we can get mortgages and car loans. Banks have to have our money to lend money.

    It is irresponsible to complain that you paid for so long and so force others to also pay. Do better than that. That attitude is breaking the nation. We must end this suffering, including the suffering of those who are paying.

    Never in the history of mankind did humans owe money for the rest of their lives for their education. It should end now and never happen again. It wasn't foreseeable, so we couldn't avoid it. This is a lifetime ambition tax. What is our government telling us?

  • Student Loans!
  • Posted by Heather W on July 31, 2008 at 12:55pm EDT
  • I to once had that ream of college. My mom was a single mother of two girls and didn't have the funds. I got a student loan and a scholarship for the rest. After a year and a half, I was miserable and gave up the dream. Too much stress, too little money and too little motivation. My husband was in college in New Jersey. He was unhappy too and left. They've been garnishing his pay for months. The economy is bad enough without getting garnished. He recently paid it off and ended the garnishment but now they are going afer me. I guess it never ends.

  • The Vehicle of Enslavement in the New World Order.
  • Posted by Ronin MD on April 21, 2009 at 8:15pm EDT
  • If not Slavery... it is indentured servitude. This is how the New World Order will control the educated population.. through student loan debt. It's basically the same as how the Russian Mafia control their prostitutes... they both use debt slavery to make people do what they want.