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August 28, 2008

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Many in the academic community despise college rankings and the implicit associated “grading” of universities. This is terribly ironic since universities depend on metrics such as SAT scores, high school grades, GRE tests and the like to assess the competency of students for admission. Likewise, they use student grades, faculty teaching evaluations and endowment growth figures as metrics to compare students, faculty and institutions with one another.

The emphasis on rankings has three root causes. First, parents love their children, and want the very best for them given their financial constraints. Hence parents and students eagerly devour college rankings. Second, Americans are by nature competitive “can do” people who admire and reward merit and excellence. Where else in the world do 100,000 people pay $60 a ticket to sit in uncomfortable seats to watch college kids compete by throwing a ball around (college athletic departments have no problem with performance metrics or rankings!).

Third, the failure of colleges themselves to provide virtually any information on the value that they add to their student’s knowledge, critical thinking skills, moral character, leadership qualities or any positive attribute forces the public to look to outsiders for evaluations. Accreditation agencies could do this, but being controlled by the colleges themselves, they provide little meaningful information to the public, since accreditation reveals little about institutional quality.

Therefore, rankings are useful, trying to distinguish the great from the mediocre, the good values from the rip-offs. U.S. News & World Report’s rankings are thus popular and the public pays good money to get them. U.S. News meets a strongly felt need. Next to the purchase of a home, the decision about college is the largest non-financial investment decision most families make, and they need help in assessing what they are buying, just as Consumer Reports and J.D. Power and Associates help us overcome the information costs associated with buying a car or television.

At the same time, given the lack of any standardized measures of “value added,” ranking colleges involves using methodologies whose appropriateness can be criticized. And different approaches yield meaningful, varying results. Let me compare the two most recent rankings, by Forbes and U.S. News & World Report. Full disclosure: I was the lead investigator in compiling the Forbes rankings. (For a critical look at the Forbes ranking, see related essay today.)

Looking at just the 133 schools that U.S. News ranks on its national research universities “tier one” list, or the similar list for 124 top ranked liberal arts colleges, I compared its rankings to those by Forbes. The correlation coefficient in both cases between the rankings was about +.67, suggesting a lot of commonality between the rankings -- but important differences. too.

For example, among the national research universities, six of the top 15 schools in the U.S. News rankings did not make the Forbes top 15 -- University of Pennsylvania, Duke University, Dartmouth College, Washington University in St. Louis, Cornell, and Johns Hopkins. Forbes’s top 15, however, includes Brown, Rice, Brandeis, Boston College, Tufts and the University of Virginia. Northwestern and Washington University in St. Louis are tied for 12th in U.S. News, but Forbes ranks Northwestern much higher (6th vs. 33rd) than Wash U among national research universities.

U.S. News ranks the University of Southern California 27th among national research universities but says it is “up and coming.” While Forbes ranks USC 66th on the comparable list of national research universities, it comes in at a so-so 300 rank among all schools, including liberal arts colleges. Indeed, USC ranks well behind at least six schools in Los Angeles county alone -- the five Claremont Colleges (Pomona, Claremont McKenna, Harvey Mudd, Scripps and Pitzer) and UCLA. Why? USC students don’t particularly like their instructors (as indicated on ratemyprofessors.com), often graduate with a fairly high debt, or worse, don’t graduate at all. USC seems better at raising and spending money than at satisfying undergraduate students.

Among the top 16 liberal arts colleges, U.S. News lists Carleton, Davidson, Claremont McKenna, Vassar, Grinnell and Harvey Mudd colleges, but Forbes does not. However, Forbes has Smith, Hamilton, Barnard, Centre, Wabash, and Whitman Colleges. The contrast with U.S. News with respect to Wabash (6th vs. 54th) and Centre (7th vs. 45th) is particularly startling. The moral of the story for prospective students: look at more than one ranking.

Even more important are two major differences in approaches. First, in compiling the Forbes rankings, both the editors and I felt strongly that all colleges belong together in a single list. When choosing a college, high school seniors often compile a short list with both liberal arts colleges and large research universities. College is college, and a good ranking system compares the undergraduate experience at all types of institutions offering the bachelor’s degree. In doing this, Forbes found on average higher rankings for the smaller schools; only one of Forbes's top 50 schools (the University of Virginia) had more than 10,000 undergraduate students. I would hypothesize that where undergraduate education is the sole or dominant emphasis, students get more attention and thus have a better overall experience.

The second difference relates to methodology. In U.S. News’s rankings, reputation and resources are critical to a high ranking. Indeed, ranks are enhanced by spending more per student, paying faculty higher salaries, or getting more alumni to donate. Generally speaking, the rankings are reputational and input-based. The Forbes’s rankings are much more outcomes oriented (e.g., emphasizing student satisfaction with instruction and postgraduate vocational success of alums), also ranking schools higher when students leave with a lower debt burden.

There are two features of the Forbes rankings that make them somewhat superior in my judgment. First, they require no cooperation from the schools, using only data from external sources beyond their control. Thus Forbes ranks Sarah Lawrence (which refuses to provide data) but US News does not. It is harder to “game” the Forbes rankings. Second, and more important, a statistical analysis of all 569 schools in the Forbes rankings shows no statistically significant relationship between spending per student and rankings. It is spending neutral, and buying yourself to the top of the rankings is not an option.

By contrast, with both the tier one national research universities and liberal arts colleges -- the heart of the U.S. News rankings -- there is a statistically significant correlation between per student spending and performance, suggesting a school with brute financial force can move up in reputation. For those who believe rankings contribute to the academic arms race: hope that the Forbes rankings gain increased popularity over time.

Richard Vedder directs the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, is a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and is Distinguished Professor of Economics at Ohio University.

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Comments on Rankings Are Useful -- But Go Beyond 'U.S. News'

  • Garbage In, Garbage Out
  • Posted by Unapologetically Tenured on August 28, 2008 at 7:10am EDT
  • Wow, where to start...

    Well, fortunately I don't have to say too much because Patricia McGuire (elsewhere on this site) effectively demolishes Forbes' pathetic and misleading attempt to sell magazines to poor, unwitting "parents [who] love their children, and want the very best for them given their financial constraints." As President McGuire points out, using post-graduate debt loads and graduation rates as stand-alone measures of quality essentially guarantees that schools attended by the less well-to-do will be relegated to the bottom of the rankings. Obviously, if a researcher chooses to consider such issues, the least he or she could do is to measure these variables in some sort of socio-economic context. I mean, that's pretty basic social science, isn't it?

    And speaking of basic social science, the use of a self-selected sample such as RateMyProfessors.com is simply preposterous. The Forbes system would almost certainly receive a failing grade in any decent first-year graduate research design course. Thus, Vedder's statement that "USC students don’t particularly like their instructors" betrays either disingenuity or ignorance. Vedder has no idea what the kids at SC think of their profs. He only knows what a small, unrepresentative sample have reported to some snarky website. (And no, the fact that all schools face the same problem doesn't level the playing field; awareness and use of RMP may vary significantly between campuses, and organized efforts may be mounted by various student groups.)

    As for using Who's Who in America, even a cursory level of research should have revealed Tucker Carlson's brilliant takedown of the entire Who's Who enterprise. Carlson's article, after all, appeared in FORBES MAGAZINE! (http://www.forbes.com/fyi/1999/0308/063.html).

    I can guarantee you that Professor Vedder does not employ measures like these in his scholarly research as an economist, because if he did, he would be laughed out of the profession.

  • Vetter's Contribution
  • Posted by Michael Bugeja , Director at Greenlee School, Iowa State University on August 28, 2008 at 7:10am EDT
  • I know and consider a close friend my former colleague at Ohio, Rich Vetter, who has been alerting administrators for almost three decades about rising costs of higher education and general lack of cost-containment to make college affordable. IHE has run articles by me in the past on this topic, most recently, "Harsh Realities About Virtual Ones," at this URL: http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2008/03/11/bugeja. I have more articles forthcoming in education publications based on empirical research on the gargantuan profits being made by tech companies at student expense. The student loan scandal, which provided easy access to funds, financed technological proliferation on most campuses in the past four years, but now that such money has become scarcer, private institutions will lose enrollment to public ones and, in a few years, public ones will lose enrollment to community colleges. This is why Dr. Vetter's research is so important but is often criticized, as is mine, bringing these issues to light; but we have done so because we believe that a college degree should be affordable. Education is vital for the economy and democracy. Technology advocates who are unaware of the cost are actually helping to make a college degree an elitist entitlement, disenfranchising an entire generation who are graduating with monumental debt for low-paying, outsourced jobs. Finally, Dr. Vetter's warnings are being taken seriously. I say this at some personal expense because my institution, Iowa State, ranks with other technology campuses at the bottom of the new Forbes list, in part, because, I believe, we and other similar peers are not fully aware of how technology companies have changed the meaning of "higher" in "higher education," relating that term to price of a college degree. Ohio University, Vetter's home institution and my former one, also is addicted to technology, and in keeping with symptoms of addiction, continues to deny the cost, touting innovation and engagement rather than commitment in an age where the latter will be required to meet the challenges of the day. Finally, tech writers of education publications are starting to heed the warnings about technology's hidden high costs. Visit the link to hear a new podcast on this topic by Scott Carlson, a technology writer, at the Chronicle of Higher Education: http://chronicle.com/media/audio/v55/i02/techtherapy/

  • David v. Goliath
  • Posted by Patrick Mattimore , Teacher on August 28, 2008 at 8:00am EDT
  • Mr. Vedder forgot to mention the biggest difference between USN&WR's rankings and Forbes. The college ranking issue basically keeps USN&WR afloat.

  • Rankings
  • Posted by Geoffrey Alderman , Professor at University of Buckingham, England on August 28, 2008 at 8:15am EDT
  • One of the most damaging effects of college rankings ["league tables" in the UK] is their negative impact on academic standards, because in the UK the higher the proportion of students graduating from an institution with First class honours, the better the institution is likely to do in newspaper rankings. The evidence for this damage is overwhelming. See my article in the [London] Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4158426.ece

    Professor Geoffrey Alderman

  • Fools rush in...
  • Posted by One of a kind on August 28, 2008 at 8:15am EDT
  • I wish business people could understand that education is not a matter of turning out widgets, and that standardization of thought is not a goal. In keeping with democracy's loftiest goal, higher education does not - and should not - attempt to narrow the range of human thought and individuality to a few standardized items that can be easily tested and compared. Rather, the highest aim of education is the development of individual human potential. This is as true of a first-year composition course as it is of graduate programs.

    Does this principle sound unruly, unmanageable, and frightening? Does the possibility that individuals might development in wildly different ways dismay you? Would you prefer that higher education turn out multitudes of like-thinking clones? Should it determine once and for all what students should learn and make sure every one of them learns it or gets "re-educated"? If so, Chairman Mao wrote a little red book you might enjoy.

  • RateMyProfessor
  • Posted by Prof. on August 28, 2008 at 9:10am EDT
  • A fatal problem with RateMyProfessor is that there is absolutely no guarantee that the people sending in comments are actually students. A professor could send in favorable comments about his own teaching, disguising them as coming from hordes of students. A university president could boost his institution's ratings in the Forbes list by getting his faculty (or students) to pull this stunt, en masse.

    This way of moving up in the Forbes rankings by "gaming the system" could be happening right now. And if it isn't, it will be in the future, if the Forbes list gets taken seriously.

  • Dartmouth
  • Posted by rightwingprofessor on August 28, 2008 at 9:45am EDT
  • Vedder you need to admit here in print how your ranking unfairly sent Dartmouth to this abyss. Dartmouth has its own popular internal online faculty evaluations. Hardly anyone uses RMP, it's something like less than 100 total evaluations for the entire school. If Dartmouth had scores on RMP comparable to its peers then, ceteris paribus, it would be top 10 in the Forbes' ranking. Come clean Dr. Vedder!

  • Posted by Gamer on August 28, 2008 at 9:50am EDT
  • Thanks for the suggestion, Prof! I wonder if my own students could be bribed to send in positive ratings of my teaching by giving them high grades.

    Wait - that's already happening tacitly in U-conducted student evaluations. It's a game many students and faculty play quite well. It works in the converse as well: students who receive low grades can punish the prof with low ratings.

    Well, here's another thought: Let's say Eastern U and Western U are rivals for the same population of students in admissions. Eastern U students can turn in devastingly bad ratings of Western U profs and lower their Forbes ratings. Isn't the competitive market model great?

  • ignores exchange value
  • Posted by Glen S. McGhee , Dir., at Florida Higher Education Accountability Project on August 28, 2008 at 9:50am EDT
  • Vedder is right to point out that "Accreditation agencies ... [are] controlled by the colleges themselves, they provide little meaningful information to the public, since accreditation reveals little about institutional quality."

    However, as anyone familiar with accreditation processes will attest, it is a fallacy to believe that "accreditation agencies could do this," for the simple reason that they lack statutory authority to do so and, functioning as little more than higher ed guilds, also lack the means.

    However, "the failure of colleges themselves to provide virtually any information on the value that they add to their student’s knowledge, critical thinking skills, moral character, leadership qualities..." points to the intangible nature of the end-product. This is what makes evaluating institutional quality and assessing value-added so difficult.

    As is increasingly the case now, it is the exchange value in the competition for entrance into graduate or professional school that students and parents focus on: "Is the institution high enough in the rankings to get my kid into a good grad school?" Value-added takes a back-seat for those asking these kinds of questions.

    By neglecting exchange value and focusing solely on the "undergraduate experience at all types of institutions offering the bachelor’s degree," Vedder's approach neglects to track an important reason for attending college.

  • Forbes List?
  • Posted by Sharon Stout on August 28, 2008 at 10:15am EDT
  • Just out of curiosity, what percentage of Americans are listed in Who's Who? How do they get listed -- and how many asked if they want to be listed, decline? Are the listings skewed to particular occupations?

    Exactly what aspects of the college experience does this measure capture? Ability to network?

    And this gets how much weighting in the new measures? There must be better outcome measures out there.

  • One of a kind rushes in
  • Posted by binkless on August 28, 2008 at 11:25am EDT
  • I wish that folks in education could understand that they have a duty to explain what students are getting for the enormous amounts of money charged for tuition, especially considering how aggressive higher ed is in pursuing taxpayer subsidies. It's really not that hard to see why those who are writing the checks will see "one of a kind's" protestations about "democracy's highest goal" suffering the indignity of being "tested and compared" as self serving obfuscation.

  • Posted by guido stempel , distinguished professor at ohio university on August 28, 2008 at 11:25am EDT
  • How graduates feel about their education five or ten years after graduation is a much better indicatin of the quality of that education than student ratings.
    Student ratings are a measure of entertainment more than of knowledge imparted.

  • Binkless, I agree
  • Posted by One of a kind on August 28, 2008 at 12:55pm EDT
  • Yes, we should be able to explain to students, parents, and taxpayers what they are getting, and we should be able to support our claims with evidence. It's just that it won't be simple, because what they're getting is not simple. They will have to read more than a number to determine which institutions are best suited to their own goals, preparation, and talents.

    I hope readers do not assume that all faculty rejections of standardized testing are attempts to cover up incompetence. Most faculty are genuinely alarmed at the simplistic view of education implicit in large-scale testing, and they perceive a real threat to the most noble goals of education, which drew them into the life of the academy in the first place. It may sound cliche, but many of us do believe that liberal education, with an emphasis on the individual's right and ability to think for her- or himself, is a necessary foundation of a democratic society. Standardized testing, with the attendant pressure to raise scores on a few basic measures, is antithetical to these aims.

  • Posted by huw on August 28, 2008 at 1:40pm EDT
  • Rankings based on whatever methodology
    don't have much value, whether its usnews,
    princeton review or Forbes. What has value
    for the college consumer is the information
    that the rankings are based on. Usnews essentially puts together info from the
    various common data sets. Thus both the
    admissions standards and financial data are
    very important to the consumer. You pay a small fee for someone else to collect this
    data for you. Who cares what usnews thinks
    or the college presidents, the information
    itself is what is valuable about usnews.
    The information that other ranking outfits
    rely on is more dubious - student surveys,
    ratemyprofessor kind of subjective stuff.-
    secondary to the source material for usnews.

  • Second Moral
  • Posted by John on August 28, 2008 at 1:40pm EDT
  • Three paragraphs of this article can be summarized in one succinct statement: 'My rating system doesn't produce the same results. It shakes things up a bit and thats my justification for why its valid.'

    I'm certain that I could throw together a different hodgepodge of metrics and statistics that produces different results from yours. You can't justify anythings validity by saying it produced different results than the status quo, Dr. Vedder. Not in objective research.

    I don't mean this as a defense of ranking systems, which all have severe intrinsic flaws (as Dr. McGuire brings out eloquently). But as a measure of your research design skills, I would be much more convinced of your study's worth if your unique metrics produced results resembling the diverse systems that have consistently produced similar lists.

    I agree with your moral – to look at various ranking systems. However, the students who rely on your system and advice, rather than that of Dr. McGuire's, and consequently make a poor college selection will only gain a good anecdote for their introductory science course:

    The methods section of a paper is just as, if not more, important than the conclusion.

    That, Dr. Vedder, is the second moral of your story.

  • Rating "Top" Colleges
  • Posted by Rita Morney on September 4, 2008 at 9:50am EDT
  • I'm sorry Mr. Vedder investing in a college education is not a "non-financial" decision for anyone. The ratings are biased and equal zero insite as stated by President McGuire. That is such a shame too, when what you are trying to promulgate and perpetuate into
    infinity, "eliteism" is such a big CROCK! It doesn't make anyone smarter or better just because they got to Havard, Princeton or Yale they just had the cash and/or connections! R.Trinity '97'.