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The Veterans Are Coming! The Veterans Are Coming!

September 19, 2008

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We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,

But single men in barracks, most remarkable like you.

--“Tommy,” Rudyard Kipling, 1892

Picture it: Marine Corps boot camp, Parris Island, summer, circa 1965.

Five weeks into the program, two Marine recruits find themselves on mess duty, assigned to the pot shack, a small detached building out behind the mess hall proper. For the first time since arriving on the island, these two are out from under the watchful eyes of drill instructors and able to talk freely to one another. Up until then, a strict code of silence had been enforced, with recruits allowed to speak only to their drill instructors, and even then, only when spoken to.

As they dutifully scrub a never-ending series of pots large enough to cook missionaries in, they take advantage of their new-found freedom to compare notes about how they are enjoying their stay in this semi-tropical paradise.

“I’m glad I’m going to be out of here next week!” one of the recruits remarks, his voice echoing out from the bottom of the pot he was leaning into.

“Whadaya mean?” the other asks, reminding his comrade in suds that they had three weeks to go until graduation.

“I know, but I’m only 16, and I turned myself in last week. “ [The minimum enlistment age has always been 17, with a parent’s consent; 18-year-olds can enlist with or without a parent’s blessing.]

“They said they’d have me out within a couple weeks,” he adds, “in time to begin my senior year back at my old high school.” “I got in so much trouble and was generally such a pain in the ass,” he explains, “that my mother finally offered to lie about my age and sign the papers if I would go in the service. “So that’s what I did.”

“You know,” he admits, “I used to think school was the worst thing that ever happened to me. But when I get back in that classroom, they’re going to have to beat me out with a stick!”

I was the other recruit, the one who was of age and who had no Get-Out-of-Parris-Island-Free card. I’ve often wished I had made a note of that underage recruit’s name and hometown. He was almost a high school drop-out, and I would bet that he went on to become a doctor, lawyer, teacher, or some other sort of professional.

I too would emerge from the Marine Corps reborn as a serious student, but my road to Damascus lasted about four years and included a side trip to Vietnam. As one who has spent a good bit of his subsequent life in academic circles, I have often wished that we could treat many of today’s high-school juniors to summer camp at Parris Island. If nothing else, these campers would certainly come back with the material for wondrous essays on how they spent their summer vacations. But, like my young friend in the pot shack, many would come back with a new-found appreciation for the opportunity to get an education.

Would that it were possible! But the good news is that today’s colleges and universities are soon to enjoy a great influx of academically born-again, highly motivated students. War, as I can personally attest, has a way of reordering ones priorities and values, and today’s veterans will soon have access to the best education benefits available since the World War II GI Bill. This new GI Bill, in fact, is even more generous than its “Good War” predecessor. Veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as any veteran who just manages to get discharged honorably, will not only get tuition, fees, books, and a living allowance. They will also be able to transfer their educational benefits to their spouses or children. Either way, we in academe stand to gain. The question is, are we really ready to welcome today’s veterans into our midst?

We do, in fact, have an unfortunate history to overcome. Not everyone in America’s ivory towers was eager to roll out the red carpet for that first wave of government subsidized veterans. The prevailing fear was that the democratization of higher education would inevitably result in the debasement of higher education. Academic standards have indeed slipped since World War II but for a whole host of cultural and societal reasons and not simply as a result of our efforts to accommodate returning GI's.

By the time I started college in the late ‘60s, the snobbery of the late ‘40s seemed to have been largely forgotten, but some older professors still seemed to feel the need to apologize for their predecessors. My own adviser, for instance, upon learning that I had been in Vietnam, hastened to assure me that he had been very much in favor of welcoming veterans to campus and that he felt we had “a lot to contribute.” His reassurance seemed gratuitous at the time. Vietnam veterans were facing a very different sort of suspicion. We were being repeatedly portrayed in the media as psychologically maimed and socially debilitated and, therefore, potentially dangerous. I cannot say that I directly and knowingly suffered from this stigma, but then again, I stopped volunteering the information that I had been in Vietnam.

Of course, popular support for the military is much stronger now than it was then, and today’s veterans need not fear being viewed as objects of suspicion on campus. Or do they?

I have been concerned recently in finding promotional literature on upcoming symposia that seem to link the need for “Threat Assessment” or “Behavior Intervention” teams with “serving” or “integrating” returning veterans. What next?

Should we expect to hear administrators sounding the alarm? “The veterans are coming, the veterans are coming! Lock up the women and the livestock!” Frankly, I worry that this is how certain right-wing critics of academe are going to interpret the linkage of threat assessment and veterans.

In all fairness, I have no doubt that these symposia are worthwhile, and I will take it on faith that the organizers are not viewing a potential influx of veterans as a threat to campus safety and simply want to be prepared to offer non-academic psychological counseling to any veteran who may need and want it. Most faculty and administrators, I would hope, realize that, of all the horrific campus shootings we have heard about in recent years, not one of the perpetrators was a military veteran.

This is not to dispute the need itself. In light of recent events, any campus that does not have an appropriately qualified team poised to intervene in cases of troubling or threatening behavior is putting itself at great risk. But to connect this need to the anticipated influx of veterans could prove to be a public relations nightmare and could actually provoke some of the very behavior we seek to avoid. One of the paradoxes of military history is that countries that have prepared for war have generally gotten it. Individual human nature can be equally paradoxical. People who are unjustly treated as objects of suspicion, out of anger and resentment, sometimes act out in ways that justify that suspicion. But that is the worst case scenario. Rambo was only a figment of novelist David Morrell’s imagination. The great majority of veteran students who feel mistrusted and misjudged will not act our violently; they will simply drop out.

This is likewise not to deny that many of today’s combat veterans suffer from Post-traumatic Stress Disorder or that campuses should not make counseling and other support services available to them. I can personally attest that a little combat goes a long way. But, again, the great majority of PTSD sufferers are not disruptive or violent and should not be viewed as such until or unless they provide reasonable cause. As for offering counseling, the advice of many a wise piano teacher regarding when to start children on lessons would seem to apply here as well: “when they ask for them.”

How then should we view and treat today’s returning veterans? A little sensitivity training may be in order. I am not a psychologist or a counselor myself, but as a veteran, I think I can I can offer five pieces of common sense advice that would go a long way toward striking the right tone as a veteran-friendly school.

First, treat veterans as you would any other student. Do not single them out for special attention. Individualized mailings or special meetings to explain the V.A.’s policies and the school’s certification requirements may be in order, but guard against any suggestion that veterans will need any more special attention than any of today’s students who may or may not be academically or culturally prepared for college. Remember that the average veteran has proven his or her ability to adapt to strange surroundings and to navigate his or her way through a more complicated bureaucracy than the average academic could endure.

Second, do not thank veterans you don’t know for their service. Most people who have served had mixed motives for enlisting in the first place and complicated feelings about the experience of having served, especially in combat. If my own post-Vietnam experience is any indication -- and I think it is -- it takes many veterans a long time to sort out how they feel about what they’ve been through and whether it was worthwhile -- especially if the country remains divided about whether the cause was noble and the war necessary. To thank a veteran you don’t know for his or her service is to put that veteran on the spot. It assumes an ideological and political kinship that may or may not exist. I know it makes me uncomfortable. Keep in mind as well that some will doubt your sincerity, wondering if what you’re really saying is, “I’m glad you went so that I [or my son or daughter] didn’t have to go.” Wait until you know a veteran well -- including how he or she really feels about having served -- before deciding to offer your thanks.

Third, do not shy away from any political or social issues appropriate to your class. While they may have conformed to military discipline long enough and well enough to earn honorable discharges, veterans are not monolithic in their attitudes, ideals, and values. Expect them to be just as open-minded and diverse in their opinions and viewpoints as any other group of today’s students. Conversely, expect them to resent unfounded assumptions about their politics and personal beliefs.

By the same token, if you have never been in the military, do not assume that you really know what it is like and what it is all about. Even more important, reserve judgment about whether academe really is the superior institution. Having been both a military officer and an academic, I have learned two things: First, academics are no more open-minded than anyone else; they are just better at articulating and defending their prejudices. Second, I have known Marine colonels who are more collegial and collaborative than commanding, and I have known college presidents who are more commanding than collegial and collaborative. Do not approach today’s veterans as “people who were lost and now are found.”

Fourth, when it comes to what they did in the war, don’t ask; wait for them to decide if and when they want to tell. The experience of combat is largely ineffable. It cannot be adequately expressed or shared with people who have not experienced it, and most who have are conflicted about it. If they do choose to share, do not judge. Remember that those who have not been there do not share the same frame of reference. Hemingway had a phrase for it: “a way you’ll never be.” Remember as well that a pretentious moral empathy can be just as infuriating as an uninformed disapproval. In general, veterans prefer to let other veterans do the listening. They know they’ll understand.

Finally, expect veterans to do well. Just as the expectation that someone will behave badly can create a self-fulfilling prophecy, greeting someone with the expectation that he or she will excel can achieve the desired result. That same undergraduate adviser who puzzled me with his patronizing comment about supporting the first G.I. Bill more than redeemed himself later by soliciting my comments in class when we were discussing a story set in a World War II training camp, Philip Roth’s “Defender of the Faith.” I was able to clarify some of the military practices and customs on which the story turns, and my professor stoked my self-confidence by telling the class that “he speaks from an interesting perspective; he was in the military himself.”

Such made-to-order opportunities to bring a particular student in, admittedly, do not come along every day. And, with older students in general, instructors always need to guard against appearing to be patronizing or condescending. But, in general, we should expect veterans to be as highly motivated and appreciative of getting a second chance at an education as was that underage Marine back in the pot shack.

Edward F. Palm, a Vietnam veteran and a retired Marine officer, is dean of social sciences and humanities at Olympic College, in Bremerton, Washington.

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Comments on The Veterans Are Coming! The Veterans Are Coming!

  • Veteran Students
  • Posted by Virginia S. Wood , Adjunct Professor of Psychology at Kennesaw State University on September 19, 2008 at 8:05am EDT
  • Thanks, Dr. Palm. I am a psychologist, and I still found your perspective and specific tips very helpful. I am looking forward to having large numbers of veterans in my classes because, as you say, you have proven yourselves in a number of ways and have unique life experiences to draw upon in class. And I wouldn't want to embarrass or offend a vet any more than I would any other class of student. So again, thanks. Very helpful.

  • How to treat our Veterans
  • Posted by ken key , Veterans Assistant at Montclir State University N.J. on September 19, 2008 at 9:20am EDT
  • I just wanted to say this was an excellent article. So realistic!! I made a copy and posted on the campus Hall Bulletin Board.

  • Posted by Theron on September 19, 2008 at 9:20am EDT
  • Thank you for a timely reminder. We need to keep in mind that not only do we have veterans coming back, we also have students going.

    As an advisor, I found this article an important underlining of good general advising techniques for working with students who have faced/are facing life experiences far different from our own.

    As a cultural historian, I also was taken by what seems to be an old refrain after most wars: "the vets are coming..." Even after the "good" war, the newspapers were full of "veterans run amok" stories, and the books stores were full of how to adjust to your veteran books. In BACK HOME, the late Bill Mauldin spoke directly to this issue then.

    Thank you again.

  • The "Five" become the model
  • Posted by Rich Heath , Financial Aid Director on September 19, 2008 at 9:50am EDT
  • As a Veteran that can relate to the picture described by Dean Palm, I suggest that these five tips will become the norm as we move ahead to welcome those who have served. Relevent and to the point advice from those who have been there and can be used by those who have not is a great start.

  • Veterans and Admission
  • Posted by Roger on September 19, 2008 at 10:20am EDT
  • An excellent article! I would add that many veterans do not feel the need to be put through the "bonding" process conducted by many schools. They have already been initiated once and are far more mature than the high school graduates for which this is designed. Admmission staff should have a straight admission process that provides the essential information to allow a student to function on campus without the other "frills".

  • Thanks
  • Posted by George on September 19, 2008 at 11:45am EDT
  • As a 20+ year veteran let me say that a sincere thank you for service to the nation is almost always appreciated. Unlike the prior eras of which the author writes, the veterans returning to the classroom now are part of an all recruited force, and their very decision to serve is worthy of acknowledgment. My recommendation is simply to avoid bringing undue attention to them in a group setting. A quiet, but sincere thank you delivered eye-to-eye is good form, and can go a long way to offset some preconceived notions about anti-military sentiment on our campuses.

  • Glad this issue is being discussed
  • Posted by VanGogh'sEar , Student Affairs Officer at University of California on September 19, 2008 at 3:30pm EDT
  • I am glad to see issues concerning Veterans in higher education being addressed and discussed. I liked this article but must add that I always appreciate it when someone thanks me for my service. I really do hope that Universities are preparing for the influx of Veterans and I know that we have had to advocate here at my local U for more/better services for Veterans and things are finally starting to happen. With the passing of the new GI Bill we will be seeing larger numbers of Veterans pursuing higher education. It must be remembered that Veterans are, generally speaking, non-traditional students who make up a unique population on a college campus and, as it is with other special populations, have specific issues and needs that must be addressed. I hope that with this increase in dialogue and services that these incoming Veterans do not face some of the hardships and struggles that I dealt with during their transition. If your campus does not already have a Student Veterans group, I highly suggest contacting some of the student Veterans and suggesting the idea. Also, if you are interested, please look up Student Veterans of America.

    Semper Fi

  • Student Veterans on Campus
  • Posted by John Mikelson , Regional Director at Student Veterans of America on September 19, 2008 at 3:50pm EDT
  • Thank You Dean Palm!

    Veterans come from a tight knit organization to the campus as individuals. Encourage them to band together and network with people that understand them as the readjust to the campus community. Veteran mentors should make themselves known to the student veteran groups forming on your campuses. The next "greatest generation" is on your campus and in your hands

    John Mikelson
    UIOWA

  • Way to go, Dean!
  • Posted by DFS on September 19, 2008 at 5:40pm EDT
  • I was a student, then a veteran (Vietnam and after), then a student again, and now a professor.

    Just imagine what experiences veteran students have to share with others! What wisdom . . .

    The students who become veterans may hear this, and still enter that world willingly. How remarkable that was, looking back.

    None of the veteran's wisdom should ever be excluded. Otherwise, we cannot see more of the whole picture.

  • Good start
  • Posted by Dr. Randy Plunkett on September 19, 2008 at 5:40pm EDT
  • I appreciate your frankness and your words for higher education. The concept of a veterans center or group is not new (Vets4Vets has existed at the University of Wisconsin for 40 years), but is an idea whose time has come for pervasiveness. Yes, veterans have much to offer, and those that really want representative dialogue in the classroom would be richly rewarded to court the veteran population.

    Dr. James Wright, who has spent nearly 40 years at Dartmouth, knows how much veterans can contribute to a campus atmosphere. He went to Walter Reed and recruited some of these wounded warriors who are turning out to be well suited for an Ivy League education. Would that all institutions come to the realization that some of the brightest and best students have or are still serving voluntarily in the defense of our nation. This is not a political issue; it is a people issue. Not only should veterans be encouraged to seek higher education, they should be welcomed at every institution of higher learning, just as all groups are!

  • The Veterans Are Coming Article
  • Posted by Jim Curtis , Executive Director at North American Self-Defense Association on September 20, 2008 at 3:50pm EDT
  • Ed,

    Thanks for bringing your article to my attention. It's very timely and I'll share it with my associates.

    As you know I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps during the Vietnam War. Like you and many other combat veterans this experience turned my head around as far as pursuing a college education. I'm very glad it did otherwise I'd probably be dead by now or digging ditches for a living.

    One point in your article really hit home with me and that's the part about people thanking me for my military service. When ever this happens to me I'm often at a loss as far as deciding how to respond to their comment. This is because sometimes I'm not sure if they really mean it and wonder if they are trying to mock me for being a patriotic sucker back then. For that reason I agree with you the "Thank You" is better left un-said until you know a veteran fairly well.

    One other note I'll mention here. Have you noticed that there aren't any DON'T FORGET HIRE THE VET commercials on TV like we had during and after the Vietnam War. This concerns me a great deal and I think our politicians need to correct this situation asap.

    Semper Fi, Jim Curtis
    www.nas-da.com

  • The Veterans Are Coming! The Veterans Are Coming!
  • Posted by Mack Garrett on September 21, 2008 at 7:55pm EDT
  • Having served with the author (Ed Palm) I feel his five points are correct except for one.

    "Second, do not thank veterans you don’t know for their service." It is my opinion and experience that most vets younger and older PTSD stricken, wounded or otherwise that I have meet genuinely appreciate the recognition that "Thank for your service" gives them. I believe they (the veterans) interpret it how they think we meant it. I do not believe that it puts the veteran on the 'spot' nor does it imply in any way a kinship with him/her.

    So again I say, if you know an individual to be a veteran tell them "Thank you for you service" and continue with what you were doing. Let them decide the rest...

    'Mack Marine' GySgt USMC Retired

  • There is one example
  • Posted by Miles on September 22, 2008 at 2:30pm EDT
  • The shooting at the Nursing School at the University of Arizona in 2002 was committed by a Gulf War vet. Not sure what you consider recent but that one sticks in my mind. Three faculty were killed by a student.

  • Question to Dr who authored OP Vet's are Coming
  • Posted by Ryan Donahue on October 20, 2008 at 5:35pm EDT
  • I am a Viet Nam "Era" Vet-(Not all of us went to Nam). I recall the brouhaha over the treatment of our returning vets from that fiasco. We are again engaged in an unpopular war. Both wars were waged by our politicos but fought by our soldiers. As a citizen now, I have no trouble thanking our servicemen, returning vets, OR ANY VET for that matter. I live near Ft. Lewis Army Base, McChord Air-Force Base and Bremerton Naval Shipyards. My community is rich with Servicemen/women and Veterans. I see our boys and girls in uniform daily throughout our community.

    My question:
    Is my buying them a beer at a bar, letting them ahead in line at the grocery store or even the friendly salute and wave such a bad thing? No I am NOT a supporter of war, (especially NOT a supporter of the politicos who support the war!!). I am just a supporter of our troops and our Vets. I wish to continue with my support, small that it is, but is such recognition harmful??? Am I doing something that causes more harm than good?
    Thanks for any response.
    R.D. in Tacoma Wa.

  • The returning of War Ver's
  • Posted by Joy Wilburn at Strayer on January 13, 2010 at 7:15pm EST
  • I to was a too told of the many different stories of the problems dealing with a service man after his return. But I do think that they should get more help when they come back and the school part of going back in my later years now is funny I had been thinking about it and I really was not sure which education to pursue because I am also in love with doing nails and I went to school for it, had to stop because of life's mishap's. But I can really say that I am more excited this time than ever, and the funny part is I don't know why because I'm not sure if my mind is as sharp I think it is and I will soon see.

    Oh thank you for sharing that with me.

    JW