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December 23, 2008

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"Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it’s an ethos."
-- The Big Lebowski

After almost five years teaching writing, English, ESL, and humanities courses to high school students and undergraduates, I have come to the conclusion that it is a serious mistake to ground undergraduate instruction in writing in the basics of Aristotelian rhetoric. I believe doing so is increasingly common, and that it is increasingly normal for universities to reframe composition jobs as being in “rhetoric and composition.”

This is a discussion somewhat rooted in the practicalities of teaching first-year undergraduates to write, but it has much broader implications. It is part of a larger conversation about what, exactly, the humanities are supposed to mean at a historical moment when college-level reading and writing skills are quite valuable, yet also when the political and economic conditions put “anti-ideological” pressure on institutions of higher learning. In other words, universities increasingly see themselves as preparing students to write fluently on any topic, from any perspective.

This is not the “end” of ideological instruction, naturally, since its final consequence is to encourage students to write for the highest bidder, making every young writer into a copy writer. But it is worth examining how rhetorically themed instruction in writing -- especially in ethos, pathos, and logos -- arose as a natural way of resolving political conflicts between Western institutions, and to consider the consequences of this paradigm shift for our students. My objection is not merely political; it is also pedagogical, since "rhetoric and composition" forecloses many other valuable ways of teaching reading and writing.

How Critical Thinking Evolved Into Rhetoric

From the middle of the last century until fairly recently, the idea that the purpose of undergraduate education is to foster “critical thinking” has had a virtual monopoly in both academic and popular circles. This goal has been institutionalized around the globe, wherever students are tested on "critical reasoning" skills.

It is an answer I myself have given on many occasions, and it holds up well for an old chestnut. It is a difficult code to enforce in a humanities classroom. It is a concept best suited to the inspection of evidence. Education researcher Lion Gardiner described critical reasoning as "the capacity to evaluate skillfully and fairly the quality of evidence and detect error, hypocrisy, manipulation, dissembling, and bias." Unfortunately, presented with something like a Max Ernst painting or a Martin Luther King speech, students will be hard-pressed to find error, hypocrisy, or bias. Critical reasoning will not help them to “unpack” the text, as we say in the humanities, though it may help when they are called upon to construct a rigorous argument.

Equally important, critical reasoning is pushed to its limits by contemporary culture and politics. Perhaps the greatest exemplar and champion of critical reasoning was Theodor Adorno, who was driven by his own feeling of integrity to extreme positions of dissent and hysterical rejections of popular culture. What are we to tell students about critical reasoning when the president and his cabinet simply lie about Iraq in order to drum up popular support for a war? If you watch one hour of television programming, you see about 20 minutes of advertising, all of which is likely contaminated with “error, hypocrisy, manipulation, dissembling, and bias.” While Westerners have invented all sorts of defenses against this assault on reason, they are leaky dams at best; most of us simply cannot keep track of every sort of irrational appeal we are simultaneously trying to ignore, or ridicule, or protest against, or embrace in the name of glamor or kitsch.

Teaching a class too much in this mode produces an unhappily smug series of field trips through “our stupid popular culture,” “our stupid political landscape,” and so on, along with the depressing feeling that nobody, the instructor included, will follow through in practice on the overwhelmingly negative evaluations of culture that the “critical thinking” method produces.

Rhetoric solved many of these problems by giving critical thinking a positive, broadly applicable core; rather than merely giving students a way to filter out misinformation, we were empowering them to persuade audiences. All of a sudden, a speech by Martin Luther King that had been almost unreadable (was King giving us good evidence about the lives of African-Americans or not?) became full of content, now that we were seeing it through Aristotle’s Big Three: ethos, pathos, and logos.

Furthermore, the rhetorical approach seemed to resolve the increasingly tense problem of what students ought to be reading or otherwise studying. There were visual and auditory rhetorics earning the attention of scholars in every field; in fact, anything that had an audience apparently had a rhetoric, so you could finally teach pop culture alongside of canonical literature without drearily insisting that pop culture was lies, damn lies, and false advertising. You could seamlessly blend new media into traditional writing curriculums, which was good since students had less stomach for reading, less training in it, and more of an appetite for mixed media or short pieces. Overall, the rhetorical approach tended to produce surprisingly positive evaluations of, well, just about everything, because rhetoric became a pleasure in and of itself: the film Thank You For Smoking is a product of the New Age of Rhetoric, where even a cigarette ad can be the object of much grudging classroom admiration. If an audience liked it or was influenced by it, you were hard-pressed to say, as a detached rhetorician, that the audience was wrong.

The Politics of Teaching Rhetoric

In addition to substituting something more agreeable for the relentlessly negative core of the “critical thinking” curriculum, rhetoric solved an urgent political problem: how institutions of higher education were supposed to weather the Bush years without being relentlessly punished for “extreme” political leanings. After 9/11, when David Horowitz’s star was on the rise, the Congress was majority Republican, governorships were going Republican all over the country, and Dubya had consolidated his popular base, there was a feeling among academics that blindly going forward with some version of leftist theory was simply irresponsible. Doing so created easy targets for Horowitz and his kind, and excluded professors from thrilling conversations about how the Internet could foster a better, more sustainable, more user-driven global market and global culture.

Many academics, abandoning the radical politics of theory, began to talk and write as though they were trying out for a new edition of The Best and the Brightest — as though they were the cabinet advisors to some non-existent moderate Democratic administration, presumably run by Martin Sheen. I remember being dumbfounded when a famous interpreter of the Frankfurt School (a group of philosophers that included Adorno), coming to give a talk at UC Irvine, chucked all that critical nonsense about dialectics to discuss how Bush could have done better at international diplomacy. This was also the period, you may remember, when the American right pushed the hardest for “balanced” course readers and syllabi. It was the second coming of the Intelligent Design movement. All across the country, TAs and adjuncts murmured to each other about how to teach critical thinking without “silencing” conservative perspectives.

Of course, looking back, the post-Clinton years seem like some kind of bad dream, an epiphenomenon that has now been brought to an end by Obama’s election. That may be true at the highest levels of American government, but institutional changes within the academy do not reverse themselves so quickly, particularly when a whole generation of graduate students is trained under a certain politically ambivalent model. Rhetoric, which was already prominent for the reasons I mentioned earlier, easily adapted itself to this environment by simultaneously avowing its neutrality (let’s analyze a speech by George W. Bush!) and promising a sort of sideways “rhetorical critique” that would lead students to the truth. In theory, you could show students that Bush’s speeches used all kinds of logical fallacies in order to divide the word along axes of good and evil, or that his rhetoric was inconsistent in its appeals and therefore untrustworthy.

In reality, however, teachers tended to fall back on dogma whenever they tried to perform a rhetorical critique of politically successful discourse. For example, if you wanted to prove that George Bush presented an overly polarized picture of nations and human beings, you had to invoke your own personal theory that out there, in the real world that transcends discourse, things weren’t so “black and white.” Or, in a different example, you might have to just announce that most scientists believe in evolution or global warming, thus giving your students the “right answer” independent of audience or Aristotle’s categories of appeals.

Students will, of course, dutifully reproduce this kind of information in the essays they submit, but the frame created by the focus on rhetoric makes such information look like bias. Hanging over every discussion is the idea that all perspectives contain bias, or the equivalent idea that everyone has a valid belief. This relativism is inherent to rhetoric itself, when it is isolated as a field of study. It is something that Aristotle narrowly avoided by simply announcing that his essentially technical discourses on rhetoric were subordinate to truth, and that only truthful orators could use rhetoric rightfully. His important corollary has been lost in the contemporary revival of ethos, pathos, and logos. If everyone is right, or everyone is biased, then alliances, not truths, are the highest values.

It may seem strange to talk about evolution or global warming or geopolitics period in this context. After all, our subject is writing courses, which are taught mostly by people with apolitical degrees (English, history, philosophy, etc.). In high school there is a much sharper delineation between English or language arts, which covers literature, expository writing, and creative writing, and other classes that cover recent history or introductory political science. Well, it is strange. The centrist politicizing of the writing classroom is not especially helpful to students, who are neither challenged politically nor pushed as hard as they could be as writers. The political focus is simply the result of the growing power of composition as a discipline, a discipline that blindly attempts to separate writing from literature, and that justifies itself intellectually by citing the supposed political value of rhetorical analysis.

Teaching Them What They Already Know: Composition and Literature

Most people have, within certain familiar realms, a very sophisticated, intuitive understanding of rhetorical strategy. Teenagers know how to shift from one vocabulary to another, depending on audience, and sound completely different in their essays than they do in casual conversation or on IM programs. They have different ways of speaking to parents and friends, and they work hard on crafting online and offline persona that others will find appealing. One of the gratifying things about teaching rhetoric is that students “get it” right away, because it relates to certain fundamental social skills. Thus, when a class works together on a rhetorical analysis, students often manage to rapidly produce useful observations. This is especially true when they are dealing with something comfortable, like a scene from a movie.

Less discussed, though, is the fact that students “get” rhetoric (and we find it easy to teach) because it follows an intersubjective logic similar to that of capital. Rhetoric goes hand-in-hand with advertising, the dominant language of contemporary desire. Students find themselves growing up in a world where demographics — audiences — are created out of thin air by advertising in its various forms, and where mass production aligns itself to the desires of a consumer audience. Furthermore, rhetorical analysis is dissociative: Anyone who has tried to teach ethos, pathos, and logos as operations to be performed on a text knows how students arbitrarily divide the text up into “emotional” sections and “argumentative” sections, even though such divisions are rarely defensible.

This is not the students’ fault, as we send them gunning for whatever holism a text possesses. The lysis of the text feels oddly familiar, though, because contemporary culture is similarly dissociative. Logic is the calculated process of competition and oppression, emotion is the catharsis of sentimentality, and personality is likability; to put the matter crudely, ethos, pathos, and logos correspond to the capitalist triptych of the advertiser (the “front man”), the consumer, and the accountant.

Holism is not always wanted. There are times when ad hoc writing is the most logical response to a particular situation, and there is also a place for the modest ambitions of, say, a humor column. Nonetheless, I believe that teachers of writing ought to see it as their particular mission to teach holism, particularly as it manifests in the peculiar written technologies of literature and longer creative nonfiction. In short, our mission is to teach English, not composition or writing, regardless of what our students choose for their major.

Literature tends to be de-emphasized in composition courses because it is hard to abstract arguments from it, impossible to put your finger on the “speaker’s ethos,” and tough to separate the emotional resonances from the ideas. Even earlier works of non-fiction are less invested in ethos: I taught both Joseph Mitchell and Chuck Klosterman this year, and found that Klosterman but not Mitchell can be easily analyzed for ethos. Klosterman is a 21st century writer, eager to tell you about what he bought at the Gap or how he seduced a woman in Michigan. Mitchell, on the other hand, writes “I caught up with Joe Gould…”, and then writes about Gould, not himself. Over the course of a whole book like Women In Love, we certainly get a sense of something like the breadth of D. H. Lawrence’s personality, but always indirectly, mediated as it is by plot, character, setting, and all the conventions of fiction.

The same problem recurs with studies of literature’s audiences; especially in 2008, trying to discuss the “audience” of Jane Austen is frequently unhelpful. The people Austen was ostensibly writing “for” did not include Edward Said, but by now Said is an important part of any discussion about Austen. There are texts that are heavily determined by (and determining of) audience, and others that are not. There are historical claims to be made about literature’s audiences, but these claims never exhaust the work itself.

There is a great deal of general anxiety among teachers that students will not read big books, particularly big books that aren’t anthologies. This premonition is very often correct; over the course of my life, I have been assigned a lot of big books that I didn’t finish. Nonetheless, by setting the bar high, we get more from students than we otherwise would. The big problem occurs when the alternative, having students write about short opinion pieces and pop culture, gets so entrenched that instruction in writing becomes completely generalized, indistinguishable from the incidental flow of words that fills up the day. It is true that other artistic forms are just as holistic as literature, but unfortunately they do not simultaneously teach writing. That is why writing curricula must emphasize longer texts, and why universities must take a more enlightened view of how undergraduate instruction in English will translate into real-world skills.

At first glance, it seems useless to have engineers or business majors practicing creative writing or analyzing literary form and content. Yet this training is exactly what will make them imaginative, subtle, and compassionate writers. Without such practice, they will be competent, but not compelling. A mixed approach, focusing on literature, serious creative non-fiction, and criticism, with rhetoric as a useful but limited subcategory, will give students the horizon they need to excel as writers, regardless of what kind of writing they eventually do. The field of rhetoric ought to remain a discipline in its own right, instead of becoming simply another word for using language, and as a discipline it is not broad enough to cover all the moments of aesthetic discovery and delight that initiate students into the writer’s world.

That kind of mixed curriculum in today’s academic environment requires immense dedication on the part of students, and it means leaving enough room in student schedules so that they can puzzle over long and unfamiliar texts. Out of discussions of character and circumstance, real conversations about situational ethics and diverse viewpoints can take place, on a far more sophisticated level than discussions of rhetorical efficacy that boil down to relativism. Society can be judged complexly; it does not need to automatically be scolded in the name of “critical reasoning,” or praised because it runs on rhetoric. Out of the intricacies of narration, criticism, and poetics, a conversation about style can take place that allows students to discover authorial voice and to take a writerly approach to individuality that goes infinitely beyond Bush’s “cowboy” schtick. Finally, the classroom can be a place where a felt response to imaginary circumstances prepares students for a world in which they will frequently have to make ethical decisions whose implications go far beyond anything they can directly see or experience.

Such courses seldom reflect what undergraduates “already do” every day, and success will be a struggle for them. It is probably not what they already know, but I fully believe it is what they hope to learn.

Joseph Kugelmass is a graduate student at the University of California, Irvine. During the summer, he teaches ESL and SAT Prep at Phillips Academy, in Andover, Mass. He is a co-editor and contributor for The Valve, and also blogs at The Kugelmass Episodes.

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Comments on Stop Using Rhetoric to Teach Writing

  • comment
  • Posted by afm on December 23, 2008 at 8:10am EST
  • joe, two things:

    first, what's your area of focus in your graduate studies?

    second, what is your definition of "rhetoric?"

  • Honesty and Truth
  • Posted by Bob Schenck on December 23, 2008 at 8:50am EST
  • Try to create and to foster in the classroom a big, free, open, safe, secure space. Invite students to be honest and to write the truths of their own life experience as they have lived it and know it. Offer correction and criticism only privately in pencil on their printouts. Encourage student authors to permit distribution of copies of their papers in class and to read them aloud as classmates follow along; or to permit you, the teacher, to read them aloud. Read them well, the very best you can, and make them sound really good! In class discussion insist students abide by elementary rules of parliamentary order -- never interrupt, raise a hand to be acknowledged, address the moderator only (never another speaker), be silent and attentive until acknowledged by the moderator, be reasonable. In class discuss issues, themes, ideas, language, viewpoints (not rhetoric, grammar, usage, or mechanics). Build confidence, always, and foster truthtelling, always. Insist on data entry; make students correct, edit, and resubmit. Help them express their thoughts and feelings but don't contend with them. Let students decide what they want to say and do everything you can to help them say it so others understand. Praise courage, honesty, and truth. Ask why, why, why, why, why. Engage students intellectually, make them think, pull their thinking up, and everything else will come up along with it. You'll be amazed at the results.

  • So frustrating
  • Posted by Ryan on December 23, 2008 at 10:15am EST
  • I find this to be another yet addition to a sickeningly frustrating teach-them-writing-not-thinking genre. It is clear for anyone who is a rhetorician and studies rhetoric that Mr. Kugelmass has no idea what rhetoric is, why it is taught, and what it means for critical thinking. Rhetoric is not now, and has never been, a politically astute way to avoid getting in trouble (just ask Cicero). Rhetoric is not a brand new flavor of critical thinking in response to Horowitzian witch hunts. And rhetoric is certainly not easy for students to learn and use--and if it's so easy to teach, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

    In addition, though Kugelmass so kindly unveils his political leanings for us (Go Obama!), his is just another in a long line of conservative think-tank diatribes against anything that isn't literature. Though he vacillates (is pop culture good or bad?), the overall message is unmistakable: how dare a discipline in the humanities try to upbraid the canon? It is through such "commonsense" campaigns waged by unwitting people like Kugelmass, regardless of their politics, that allows space for people like Horowitz to step in and command an audience.

    Finally, I don't presume to tell literature scholars what to teach in their classrooms, and I don't presume to tell any other discipline what their research and teaching methods should consist of. I wish other disciplines had the same level of respect for those of us who teach and learn Rhetoric and Composition. It would go a long way toward healing some of the anti-literature rhetoric Kugelmass is so worried about.

  • Not either-or, but rather yes-and
  • Posted by Daren Young , Ph D student in Composition, Rhetoric, and Literacy at University of Oklahoma on December 23, 2008 at 10:15am EST
  • Mr. Kugelmass:

    You seem to be positing an either-or dichotomy between the teaching of rhetoric and the teaching of literature/creative writing, despite your claim towards the end of your argument that rhetoric need not be entirely elided. I suggest that this is an error, based on the fact that your definitions of both rhetoric and literature are mistaken, at least insofar as the examples offered in this article are concerned. I realize that the exigencies of the writing space don't allow for laundry lists of examples, but your argument still seems reductive.

    First, is it not possible that the short texts you decry are, in fact, literature? Or does your definition only permit within the fold book-length works by published authors? Poetry is often short; is it literature? What of short stories? Essays? But I digress. To limit ourselves to a canon of established literary authors ignores the reality that movies, television, and the writing we find on the Internet are also the literature of our time, and no number of English teachers kicking against the pricks will reverse this trend. Should book-length works be part of the English curriculum? Of course they should. Should the anointed few who get their works published and taught also be part of our students' lives? I could wish for nothing more fervently. But there is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater in advocating for literary content in the twenty-first century English curriculum.

    Second, your view of rhetoric in this essay is skewed and limited, in that you define it purely as techne. Aristotle's appeals are important to a basic understanding of rhetoric not because they represent the sum total of what we can hope to learn on the subject, but because they provide a handy set of concepts with which student rhetors can begin their studies. And, as you acknowledge, these concepts are useful to students in helping them understand the variety of rhetorical situations they are likely to encounter during their college educations and beyond. But the beauty of rhetoric lies not in Greek taxonomies, but in one crucial ingredient: imagination. To suggest that the study of rhetoric must needs stop with a few superficial analyses and by-the-numbers writing assignments is to ignore the fact that the heart of rhetorical proficiency lies in the rhetor's ability to understand his or her audience, deeply, and to struggle with the many sides of an issue from others' points of view. Imagination is the heart of rhetoric, and it is the heart of ethics. What could be more important to our students than learning to understand the lived experiences and values of their fellow humans. Is this not the primary benefit many scholars of literature posit for the reading of great texts? You seem to contend that rhetoric-based writing instruction is somehow separate from creative writing, but it need not be, and should not be. I just finished teaching a semester of first-year writing, using exercises from Quintilian's progymnasmata as the bases for my writing assignments, and every task my students undertook was profoundly creative and extremely challenging.

    Finally, allow me to conclude by agreeing with you, where you say that students from all disciplines should have greater exposure to literature and writing, and that curricula should include time for "puzzl[ing] over long and unfamiliar texts." Nonetheless, I cannot agree with your prescription for change. More study of literature need not—and must not—be brought to pass by eliminating the use of rhetoric to teach writing as your title suggests. What is needed is not the subtraction of a powerful and crucial way of reading and writing our world, but rather the addition (re-addition, if you will) of the study of literature that you feel has been cast aside. And in the world of budgets and committees, this may constitute a Sisyphean task. Too often, academics assume a zero-sum game when they set out to contend for that part of the curriculum nearest and dearest to their hearts and wallets. In the final analysis, this is the fallacy at the heart of your essay. Instead of squabbling over the crumbs that fall from the academy's table, we should be working together to make the case that our students need a four-year language curriculum—rhetoric, literature, design, oration—if they are to be fully prepared to contribute to a better tomorrow.

  • How about teaching swimming without water?
  • Posted by Steven D. Krause , Professor at Eastern Michigan University on December 23, 2008 at 10:20am EST
  • Quite frankly, I do not think Mr. Kugelmass has any idea what he's talking about.

    He seems to presuming that a) rhetoric is somehow a "new-fangled thing" for the teaching of writing, b) it is limited to ethos, pathos, and logos, and perhaps Aristotle, c) rhetoric is inherently "neutral" in that it takes no responsibility ("If an audience liked it or was influenced by it, you were hard-pressed to say, as a detached rhetorician, that the audience was wrong"), d) the approaches he seems to be suggesting via theorists like Adorno are arhetorical, and e) that it is possible to be outside of rhetoric in the communicative process.

    afm's question is the crucial one here: Just what does Kugelmass mean by "rhetoric?" At best, I think his understanding of the term rhetoric is based on the sort of seminar/practicum common for graduate students teaching first year composition. I'm guessing this since it seems like the only rhetorician he mentions is Aristotle. Not a bad choice of course, but Kugelmass might be surprised to learn that there have been a few other scholars/thinkers in the field over the last few thousand years.

    In my reading, this piece isn't about rhetoric or the teaching of writing at all. As far as I can tell, this is a piece about the encroachment of right wing politics on teaching. I have some sympathy with his point here. But I would say that one's results might vary based on the institution and where they are at in their careers. As someone who once was a graduate assistant in a space similar to where Kugelmass is right now, I think it's important to point out that there is a big difference between a writing program administrator telling TA's they can't teach "x" and someone like David Horowitz making crazy statements about all academia.

  • Chutzpah
  • Posted by Jack Pierce on December 23, 2008 at 10:30am EST
  • I admire Mr Kugelmas in the sense that it takes real nerve to criticize a practice you know nothing about and invent a just-so story to explain "how rhetoric in teaching writing came to be." On what does he base his history? The field of rhetoric and compsition has published probably around a hundred books that explore the history of the rise of rhetoric in teaching writing, but he cites -- huh? -- Adorno, Lion Gardiner, and David Horowitz. And quite pathetically he has little grasp on what the term "rhetoric" means. Reducing rhetoric (even Aristotelian rhetoric) to "ethos, pathos, logos" is like reducing postcolonial studies to "the formerly colonized are dissatisfied." This is an embarassment for InsiderHigherEd and his graduate school -- and perhaps even for the author.

  • IHE's Editorial Processes....
  • Posted by Franklin J. Gearhart on December 23, 2008 at 10:55am EST
  • ...evidently don't involve any sort of vetting by those with knowledge of a discipline and its history, if this piece is any barometer.

    Others have made the substantive arguments about the shortcomings of Mr. Kugelmass's claims and his crabbed view of "rhetoric," but I'd like to ask how (or whether) pieces for IHE get reviewed and vetted.

    Betcha I won't get a response posted here.

  • reductio ad absurdum
  • Posted by Rhetor on December 23, 2008 at 11:15am EST
  • Rhetoric was here before capitalism, and before Marxist critique of capitalism. Just because the author finds reductionist ways to link rhetorical categories to capitalist categories does not mean that the critique has been successfully performed. Sloppy and simplistic.

  • get rid of rhetoric -- replace it with rhetoric?
  • Posted by Douglas Eyman at George Mason University on December 23, 2008 at 11:15am EST
  • I must admit that I am a bit confused by Mr. Kugelmass's argument -- he seems to think that we should excise a very specific area of rhetorical practice (framing analysis in terms of Aristotle's forms of appeal -- although he clearly doesn't understand how those forms work if he equates "ethos" with "personality"). But his solution is to call for a different rhetorical approach--"analyzing literary form and content." That he doesn't recognize that literary analysis is a rhetorical act serves to completely undermine his ethos.

  • A giant step backward
  • Posted by JP on December 23, 2008 at 12:45pm EST
  • Right on, Doug!

    The publication of this article is distressing. I'm disturbed that IHE, normally a wonderful and informed publication, would not be more conscientious in vetting this one.

    While the call for turning composition into a literature course is upsetting enough (as it once again reinscribes the literature/composition binary that privileges literature and positions composition as a contentless course that anyone with two brain cells to rub together could teach--note the references to the "ease" of teaching rhetoric and the underlying premise that if we don't teach rhetoric in a composition course we have to import something else --namely, literature), but it disregards the good, important work that writing studies scholars are doing in the classroom and in their research, particularly the scholarship already published that could inform this discussion (e.g., see the Tate/Lindemann debate).

    Others have already pointed to the multitude of inaccuracies here (since when was literature arhetorical and since when was first-year composition universally taught as a cultural studies course?), I’d like to point to one especially infuriating claim given its flippant tone: “You could seamlessly blend new media into traditional writing curriculums, which was good since students had less stomach for reading, less training in it, and more of an appetite for mixed media or short pieces.”

    I heartily agree that new media has a place in the writing classroom. But work with new media in writing classrooms is *not* a less rigorous, easier alternative to more substantive pursuits. (See the work of Gail Hawisher, Cindy Selfe, Anne Wysocki, Cheryl Ball, Douglas Eyman, Danielle DeVoss, Jim Porter, and a long, long list of other computers and writing scholars.) It is an essential move to engage, study, and teach writing in the multiple modes and media that increasingly shape the communication landscape for our students and for us. Because writing in these forms and spaces is different than great works of literature does not make it worse, less important, or easier. Attending to it is not a denigration of writing instruction. We ignore such writing at our peril.

  • A Response to a Misconception
  • Posted by Samaa Gamie on December 23, 2008 at 3:25pm EST
  • Your argument presents a dichotomy between the role of rhetoric and literature as elements of classroom study and investigation. You present the study of literature as the end all for preparing our students to face the “real world,” but there are problems inherent in that vision.

    To believe that in teaching literature, we are widening our students’ horizons as writers or preparing them for the “real world,” we are purely misled and misleading. The vast majority of literature courses focus on teaching Western literatures, the voice of otherness is muted, and we are presented with a unitary, white perspective in which white supremacy is both overplayed in the amount of representation of white Western literature and downplayed when we try to put on the seemingliness of inclusion. The few classes that teach non-Western literatures are ones that often include Eruopean writers and few ethnic writers. So literature presents a whole set of problems when we put it at the center of our teaching. We are back to the inculcation of the cannon, the erasure of a substantial representation by otherness, and a hope that in reading long, complex fiction we and our students will bother to deconstruct and search for the erased, the marginalized, and the dispossessed in and by these discourses. This is fiction. Literature has failed to accomplish that and will continue to fail, until it reconciles the hypocricy in its discipline and the failed policies of disingenuous inclusion of ethnic literatures.

    In rhetoric, hope arises for the genuine inclusion of otherness; as we and our students look at the representation of the discourses of minorities in print and in virtual space, we not simply engage in an appreciation of the imaginary world of literature, but in the realities of a complex world in which differences ethically and morally need to co-exist and in which our role becomes to find that ethical grounding and commonality in our humanity in that “real” world.

    The belief that rhetoric centers on relativism is a falsehood. It is not moral or ethical relativism that we induce into rhetoric, but a sense of human integrity. Our integrity in encouraging our students to present their voices and their visions of the various rhetorical performances of various texts while being sensitive to otherness; it is this integrity that we aspire to in incorporating rhetoric in the study of writing. We do not aspire for the hypocrisy of anything-goes philosophy or self-lauding, but a genuine ethical expression of our voices and our visions. That is not relativism.

    In his study on Orientalism, Said did not abide by the traditional priniciples of literary analysis, but broke away from them and presented a rhetorical reading of some Western literary texts and how they had perpetuated the Western sense of elitism over the Oriental Other in Western discourses. He applied critical reasoning as—i.e., “the capacity to evaluate skillfully and fairly the quality of evidence and detect error, hypocrisy, manipulation, dissembling, and bias”—to decipher the various texts he presented in his argument on Orientalism. To simply view Said’s text solely as a literary analysis would be to discount the extent of rhetorical analysis engaged in the text, in which he does not necessarily use the terms “ethos, pathos and logos,” but looks at the rhetorical performace in the texts and deciphers the implications of authorial choices and authorial intentions. This is not much different from what we do in a rhetorical analysis of a text, whether visual or written. In fact, this goes at the core of what we do.

    To claim that the study of rhetoric is a discipline that is not “broad enough to cover all the moments of aesthetic discovery and delight that initiate students into the writer’s world” is a misconception. Is our goal as teachers to focus on the aesthetics of a text or the delight of a text? What about academic inquiry and investigation? Isn’t this our goal? We cannot teach texts because of their inherent aesthetic value and see that as a value in itself, because in doing that we will be discounting hordes of texts that would be seen, by the normative mechanisms of Western literary value, as unesthetic and would thus be devalued and silenced. In teaching composition and rhetoric, we teach how a text achieves its aesthetic value, how successful it is in achieving that effect and how this weighs on the text’s message. However, we do not teach aesthetics as an inherent value central to determining the value and usefulness of a text in a writing classroom. In teaching rhetoric, we do not just focus on “audience, ethos, pathos or logos,” we focus on the makeup of the text, the construction, the flow, the sentences, the tone, the imagery, etc. All these are central to uncovering the asethtic value of a text and the mechanisms of its rhetorical performance.

    In rhetoric, a text is not limited to the mechanisms of literary value that have often marginalized ethnic texts, but is valued as soon as it exists. Even error-ridden texts have value. This is evident in the work of Mina Shaughnessy and her rhetorical engagement with her students’ writing. In looking at texts as valued rhetorical performances, we move away from putting a value tag on texts—we move away from the view that some texts are more valuable to read and to study than others. It is what the study of rhetoric has achieved by bringing to the center of scholarship and teaching, textual performances that might otherwise be seen as valueless or not valuable enough. No one should claim that in teaching writing, we need to halt or marginalize the study of speeches and oral, visual, or virtual performances in our classrooms because they are not “long, complex literary texts.” All texts should be equally valuable and equally valued as rhetorical performances that shed light on the being of an otherness. And in rhetoric, we aim to investigate that otherness with precision and sensitivity to uncover its hidden stories and untold histories, to make sure that story is told and heard, not from a supremacist or imperialistic perspective but from a postcolonial, rhetorical perspective.

  • Stop using rhetoric as a straw person
  • Posted by Stuart Blythe on December 23, 2008 at 3:50pm EST
  • As others have stated, Joe does not know much about rhetoric and should leave alone what he does not understand. If rhetoric were only about ethos, pathos, and logos, then perhaps he'd have a point. But Aristotle's rhetoric (not to mention Cicero's, Quintillian's, Campbell's) involves much more than that. The general and special topics alone demonstrate that rhetoric is about more than types of persuasive appeals.

    Unfortunately, I've seen these types of arguments before. A person with a literary mindset sees any non-literary approach to language instruction as "other" and wishes it abolished. Then he or she uses some oversimplified version of "rhetoric" as a straw person to demolish in favor of the literary approach.

    Joe's kind of cliche', ill-informed argument wouldn't pass in my course.

  • A little knowledge
  • Posted by ezry on December 23, 2008 at 4:15pm EST
  • It used to be that rambling diatribes against some aspect of FYC pedagogy/theory (or against Students Who Can't Write or Teachers Who Don't Teach Grammar) were entirely uninformed and so were easy to spot and ignore (or spot and send back to the author, if you're an IHE editor).

    Now the discipline has moved forward to a point at which we expect all FYC-teaching graduate students to get a chance to study what rhetoric/composition is about (not just learn how to handle a grading rubric), and thus get an introduction to a rich and complex field. So the rambling diatribers can cite Aristotle and appear, at least momentarily, as if they're mustering an interesting (counter)argument.

    A lesson in this for IHE editors is to be more cautious. A lesson in this for graduate students is to remember what it means to have only an introductory glimpse of a field, any field, and how silly one can look showing up to a thousand-year-old conversation only partially dressed. (Enthusiasm, a flash of what seems to be insight, and a yen for windmill tilting only go so far.)

    A lesson in this for Rhet/Comp scholars is to remember how little of what we tell any of our students truly sinks in during any one-shot inoculation (TA-"training" class, e.g.), and to keep advocating for more opportunity to provide ongoing education for those who will represent the field to the next generations of students and teachers.

  • Evidence to the Contrary
  • Posted by Elizabeth Losh , Writing Director, Humanities Core at University of California, Irvine on December 23, 2008 at 5:40pm EST
  • As one of the writing program administrators of a course for which you worked at UC Irvine, I genuinely have to salute you for your rhetorical savvy in choosing the right bomb-throwing argument to generate maximum outrage in the rhet-comp blogosphere and corridor conversation at the upcoming MLA. I also respect the appeals to public audiences that you are making here in IHE, on your own blog, and at The Valve, so I don’t understand why you would think this kind of situated rhetorical engagement isn’t a key feature of scholarly discourse and therefore something that we need to teach in freshman composition, if we want to include undergraduates in the life of the university and equip them for their role as stage-one researchers who will be writing in many kinds of courses and in many kinds of disciplines. Furthermore, I’m not sure that all your claims really hold up, based on your own experiences teaching in the Humanities Core Course. First, you seem to suggest that rhetorically-oriented curricula are designed to deliver light, freshman-friendly readings in popular culture. Since we are teaching rhetoric in the context of Alberti and Shakespeare this year and Bacon and Aristotle last year, I don’t think that there is necessarily a connection. Second, you imply that this kind of analytical framework is somehow more natural to our students. I think that you might be making the same kind of mistake that those who assume that today’s students are “digital natives” make, by assuming that undergraduates don’t need rhetorical instruction. The new book that I am working on contains many case studies of wildly inappropriate examples of digital media-making by students . . . and by faculty members and university administrators as well. Whether we are talking about misguided video résumés or regrettable e-mails to their professors, our students still have a lot to learn when it comes to rhetoric.

  • By the Seat of My Pants
  • Posted by Jeff Riggenbach on December 23, 2008 at 6:40pm EST
  • As a professional writer with a publication history (around five hundred newspaper and magazine articles and one nonfiction book) stretching back more than thirty-five years, I find this discussion somewhat perplexing. I didn't learn to write either by analyzing works of literature or by studying formal rhetoric. And I seriously doubt that anyone else has ever learned to write in either of those two ways either. I learned to write by writing, then comparing what I had written with what I took to be effective pieces of writing by other writers, and, finally, being guided by the implications of what I learned in the process. On those occasions over the years when I've been invited to teach undergraduate composition (most recently at the Academy of Art College in San Francisco in the 1990s), I never asked my students either to analyze works of literature or to learn the basics of rhetoric. Instead I asked them to write and then critiqued what they wrote at great length, placing my greatest emphasis on the mechanics (grammar, spelling, punctuation) of writing clear, unequivocal Standard English.

    I guess I've been missing something. But I must confess that the smokescreen of jargon and academic doubletalk on display in this article and the comments appended to it has effectively prevented me from finding out exactly what it is that I've been missing.

    JR

  • Articles like this...
  • Posted by cbt , doctoral candidate on December 23, 2008 at 8:45pm EST
  • ...demonstrate why we need more theory about writing and how to teach that is grounded in *empirical research*! As a new scholar in the field of r + c studying the ways that medical professionals deliberate in a multidisciplinary workplace setting, I'm excited that some day the theory I and others build as a result of empirical, grounded research may help to reshape how naysayers such as yourself conceive of "rhetoric" and its place in the classroom.

  • Rhetoric and idealogy vs Common sense
  • Posted by Bob Kinford , cowboy/author at 2lazy4U Livestock & Literary Co on December 23, 2008 at 8:45pm EST
  • The simple fact is that the "ideological left" has as much rhetoric as the rhetorical right. Both sides are enamored more in emotion than fact. What needs to be taught is independent analytical thinking based on common sense and logic. Unfortunately, by the time one has become an undergraduate, it is usually too late to instill these qualities.

  • The Kugelmass Episode
  • Posted by Chris Paris at University of the Incarnate Word on December 23, 2008 at 8:45pm EST
  • Dear colleagues, I pray you'll respect my wish to digress just for a moment so that we may take stock of ourselves. . . . And, I promise my comments, below, will still be relevant to the content.

    I, too, read Mr. Kugelmass's essay and your responses that energized my own convictions, questions, self-examiniations. What's wonderful about a blog site is its open field inviting our community into a rhetorical arena of discourse with space for any voices--whether inventive, affirming, diverse, or disparate. Especially for our communities of pedagogy and scholarship, it would seem that blogs are an essential enterprise.
    As I read all of it, y'all took me through an array of, yes, Aristotelian logos, ethos, and pathos, too. The blogs' logos and ethos all have relevant merit; in fact, it seems from the blogs that Mr. Kugelmass's content aroused another moment of kairos for every participant to pounce on; hence, rhetoric's own assertion demonstrated, once again, that every voice is valuable. But, my own response to the arousal of pathos in me, I think, you'll find ironic simply because my pathos was aroused for Mr. Kugelmass as opposed to your convictions, countervailing hypotheses, assertions, proofs, intrinsic and extrinsic evidences. The feelings aroused in me confirm what I inevitably share with my students in rhetoric and composition, rhetorical theory, rhetorical criticism, creative writing: "be careful to consider your audience; imagine the positions of the opposition, too; there are a bunch of sharks, out there, all waiting to attack." May I consider this blog site inspired by Mr. Kugelmass as a rhetorical artifact that may reflect our Higher Educational community's culture?
    In spite of the effective countervailing hypotheses and proofs the blog's community gathered (good job--especially those that address the English sub-disciplines' range wars that still go on), the pathetic element of the attacks upon Mr. Kugelmass and his content prove to be disturbingly consistent. I invite us to read all of them through, once again, and listen to ourselves. It's all in the language choices and the tone of the rhetoric; a disturbing consistency that may reflect the culture, I fear: invective; intentions to disparage, humiliate, defeat; exclusivity; sarcasm; cynicism; ivory tower; maybe even political hegemonies exercised by editorial boards of some scholarly journals and presses. Not the way to win friends and influence people with rhetoric; not the way to be inviting to what is an extraordinay culture as a way to even make a living. I hear politics and polemics, not higher education. 'Are you just naive to the realities of our culture's trial by fire in a culture's crucible that smelts for excellence,' you may say? Not really; the evidence of the pathos speaks to what all of us have been humiliatingly victimized by at one time or another. Consider some of those rejection notices you've received from the presses through the years. How illuminating and constructive were they? How inviting were they to inspire independent thinking and fresh realizations? How intentional were they to crush your productivity and inspiration, and the future of your participation(?}; whether real of not, we've all considered that one. One must be made of blue-honed steel to persist. Not all of us are, though; not for a long while, anyway. Nor does blue-honed steel necessarily equate with new ideas. Here is my kairos: might there be a better way for Mr. Kugelmass and all of us? And, here's a countervailing hypothesis: How about urbane, democratic, cultivating, respectful, tolerant, edifying, mentoring, compassionate, friendly; how about organic, interactive, sharing; how about teaching and socializing and acculturating by example, and simultaneously; how about living an ethic of shared commonplaces in higher education rather than just indoctrinating it with arbitrary proscriptions? Of course, to live and thereby realize all of these values, i.e., to incarnate word-symbols into a value-based state of being require the exercise of patience for a greater end. Are we up to it? Mr. Kugelmass's essay is an example of Higher Education's right to the diversity of its community; that includes participants newer to the literature, but equally as important because Mr. Kugelmass has instrumentally given us the opportunity to evaluate ourselves--which we should always be doing; not only the "what," but also the "who" since many of us have chosen and sacrificed to participate in this endeavor so that we can live free with the who and the what unified as one. Lest we forget the exclusivities of Higher Education of the 1920s--which participated in the birth of new criticism, by the way, the litany of alternatives just mentioned are only the elements of a healthy, non-threatening, receptive environment of and for higher learning. There's a whole body of decades' refereed literature on that. None of us is exclusive; nor, I think, should we be. Exclusivity has a terrible habit of being incestuous. But, we can still be noble and inviting in our enterprise, even if we may disagree, or if others may disagree; after all, disagreement is profoundly important for us; we need to invite it and be receptive to it so as to test the validity of our waters. And, we can continue to edify each other to subjects and to a noble culture through the process of rhetoric that shares invention, agreement, disagreement, diversity, disparity as we engage in Aristotle's healthy conflict as a community of discourse. How about it?
    Does all this sound too much like taking the moral high road? Once, again, not really. It's just an appeal for equality, and the opportunity for a community of elders to cultivate the substance of equality, and aspirations to excellence equality naturally pursues, in newer participating members--who we invite to participate, by the way. Why do we contradict invitation with denegrating hegemonic word choice, and tone? Think of it: mentoring Mr. Kugelmass to relevant readings to offer him a more effective world's view would have been sufficient. After all, Mr. Kugelmass is our opportunity to do good works. In Mr. Kugelmass is the opportunity for new and brilliant ideas.

  • On K
  • Posted by David Beard , Asst Prof at Writing Studies, Duluth, MN on December 23, 2008 at 9:50pm EST
  • The problem with analyses like these is that they begin with an impoverished understanding of rhetoric and proceed to spin their argument against that straw man.

    (That this author suffers from this flaw is doubly surprising given that some of the best scholars in rhetorical studies teach at his institution. But those are failings for his faculty to consider, not me.)

    The central problem with this piece can be located here:

    "But it is worth examining how rhetorically themed instruction in writing — especially in ethos, pathos, and logos — arose as a natural way of resolving political conflicts between Western institutions, and to consider the consequences of this paradigm shift for our students. My objection is not merely political; it is also pedagogical, since “rhetoric and composition” forecloses many other valuable ways of teaching reading and writing."

    The error can be dissected in these ways:

    1. But it is worth examining how rhetorically themed instruction in writing —

    ... we do not speak of rhetorically themed writing instruction, any more than we speak of "themed" sociology instruction or "themed" biology instruction. To do so is to begin with a false assertion, from the start: that rhetoric is a flavor that can be added on to writing instruction, and that writing instruction is possible without rhetoric. It should be clear that nonliterary discourse is rhetorical discourse, and so nonliterary writing instruction is rhetorical instruction. The only question is, what form of rhetorical theory informs your pedagogy?

    2. especially in ethos, pathos, and logos

    ... here is the reduction -- the use of terms from the worst, most incomplete of first-year textbooks as metonymic for the field. If rhetoric is defined by ethos, pathos, and logos, then literary criticism of narrative is defined by beginning, middle and end. Let's avoid reduction in the representation of the field you would dismiss.

    3. arose as a natural way of resolving political conflicts between Western institutions

    ... the rise of rhetorically inflected instruction in both writing and speaking has very little to do with the dynamics you describe. What you object to, it seems to me, is not the use of rhetoric to teach writing, but the slow but seemingly impossible to stop shifting of the bulk of the work of English faculty from the teaching of literature and reading to the teaching of writing. Wlad Godzich nails this shift (with a more even-handed discussion of the implications) in The Culture of Literacy -- take a look.

    The question is, if English faculty at most undergraduate institutions are finding their teaching loads heavier in writing and their writing colleagues more numerous than in the past, how do we grapple with these changes?

    The answer, I think, is to professionalize the work, to treat it as an area of intellectual inquiry, and so to master the practices that shifts much larger than the discipline or the department can control are forcing upon us.

    4. and to consider the consequences of this paradigm shift for our students.

    ... The consequence, that I can most easily see, is that writing is taught by those with professional specialization in writing, rather than by those with professional specialization in literary interpretation.

    5. My objection is not merely political; it is also pedagogical, since “rhetoric and composition” forecloses many other valuable ways of teaching reading and writing.

    ...and here we have the great misdirection. Rhetorical instruction, once a master art that would have included literary and theatrical practice, for example, includes under its tent so many diverse pedagogies, undergirded by strong empirical and theoretical and historical research. Very little is precluded by the scope of the field.

    A simple skim of the tables of contents of the _Rhetorical Tradition_, _Contemporary Rhetorical Theory_, and the _SAGE Handbook on Rhetoric_ shows the diversity of approaches and methods. Rhetoric encompasses the moves you push to "critical thinking" -- what would 100 years of rhetorical criticism amount to, then? It includes discussions of communication ethics and the work of the citizen in the democracy. (Rhetoric is more properly allied with citizenship than with the market.) And, it has tools for the analysis of science, literature, politics and academic discourse -- the depth and variety of texts advocated for in this piece.

    What is required is that the teacher understand the tradition that starts with the Greeks (where this author's knowledge fails even to begin) and runs through 2000 years of philosophical, literary, social and critical theory tied together by a common interest in the work of language in human communities.

    And so the last major point of failure in this essay:

    "[rhetoric] follows an intersubjective logic similar to that of capital. Rhetoric goes hand-in-hand with advertising, the dominant language of contemporary desire"

    Never has anything more wrong been said. And said so brazenly, without citation, evidence, or proof. Rhetoric goes hand in hand with the processes of community formation and reinstantiation (consusbstantiation and critique through a variety of argumentative, narrative and other discourses in a range of media).

    Until Mr. Kugelmass understands the field, I suggest that he refrain from criticism. His local Barnes and Noble has a primer that the average reader (nonacademic) can grasp (Thank You for Arguing: What Aristotle, Lincoln, and Homer Simpson Can Teach Us About the Art of Persuasion). Take a stab at that, then, and this will be harder, take a stab at the professional literature.

    Then, and only then, come back and re-evaluate whether rhetorical studies has an integral place in the 21st century university, as it did in the classical, medieval, renaissance and enlightenment universities.

  • Reality still bites
  • Posted by Ernest on December 24, 2008 at 6:55am EST
  • Having been a professional writer, engineer, and corporate professional -- getting people to get to the point in a clear, understandable, and accurate fashion is challenge enough.

    Those who want to become Gay Talese or Scott Turow -- fine. Just get to the point, please. There's not an unlimited amount of time and money. Thanks.

  • Is this a joke?
  • Posted by Dr. T on December 24, 2008 at 6:55am EST
  • Someone please tell me this is a prank? I think the perplexed response by 'Riggenbach' goes a long way to explaining HOW it is that the art of rhetoric has been benched by some branches of composition pedagogy in favor of a pragmatism in neo-belles lettres. My money is this fella is a Horowitz fan and proponent of No Child Left Behind, then?

    Methinks the "why you gotta use such fancy words I can't understand clearly" refrain echoes undergrad students who complain that a test is unfair because it uses confusing jargon like "illustrative example" or "hyperbole" or "concise." Good luck, then, trying to breach structuralism or postmodernism. I'm flabbergasted IHE ran this.

  • Implicit Labor Issues?
  • Posted by mr on December 24, 2008 at 6:55am EST
  • Ryan wrote:

    >Finally, I don’t presume to tell literature
    >scholars what to teach in their classrooms,
    >and I don’t presume to tell any other
    >discipline what their research and teaching
    >methods should consist of. I wish other
    >disciplines had the same level of respect
    >for those of us who teach and learn
    >Rhetoric and Composition. It would go a
    >long way toward healing some of the
    >anti-literature rhetoric Kugelmass is so
    >worried about.

    The irony is that Mr. Kugelmass appears to be writing precisely from the position of a literature scholar who has been told what to teach in his classroom. The reality of Rhet/Comp instruction in the academic workplace is that it is taught increasingly by adjuncts who lack curricular control over their own classrooms, and whose position of disempowerment in the university is often necessitated or publicly justified by the importance of teaching experience in securing tenure track employment in fields outside of Rhet/Comp. Many of the comments here appear to be from administrators of large Rhet/Comp programs attempting to justify curricular control by excluding the classroom experience of people like Mr. Kugelmass from the discussion of how their classrooms are run. While I don't agree with this article at every point and think some of the criticisms are valid, the scorn with which this article has been met in so many comments is indicative of larger workplace issues in Rhet/Comp and in the larger university context.

    Ezry's comments about "advocating for more opportunity to provide ongoing education for those who will represent the field to the next generations of students and teachers" are also telling - will employees be compensated for these "opportunities," or will administrators continue to take advantage of the glut of available labor to require increasing credentials while reducing benefits?

  • Posted by Luther Blissett , High School English teacher on December 24, 2008 at 7:00am EST
  • Bob, is your comment a quotation from Peter Elbow? It sounds awfully Elbowish to me.

    Otherwise, I'll simply cut and paste the comments I made to Joseph over at the Valve, when he first posted a draft of this article.

    *************
    Joseph, I think you’re completely off-track here.

    Let’s take Corbett’s *Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student* as the basis for an education in composition through the lens of classical rhetoric. Rhetoric is more than “logos, ethos, and pathos.” It’s more than a grudging admiration for “effective” speech or writing. Aristotelean rhetoric, as opposed to sophism, is the study of the most effective way to convince others of the truth. It’s not the sociopathic pursuit of persuasion by any means necessary. Nor is it the study of any speech-act that makes some money.

    Rhetorical analysis involves logical analysis. When I use Corbett with my high school students, they learn to identify logical fallacies and to use syllogistic and enthymemic reasoning to construct arguments. They learn the topoi of invention, which often involve forms of abstract, logical reasoning (cause and effect, definition, sameness and difference, etc.). They also learn their tropes and figures.

    Now, I don’t teach “composition” classes. I teach sophomore and junior English. But I direct my instruction from a rhetorical perspective because it speaks both to literary analysis ("What is the author trying to do and how does s/he do it?") and composition ("How can you take a position on the readings that is logical and persuasive?"). A rhetorical approach to literature helps students consider the dominant effects of the readings and to analyze how authors create these effects. The traditional rhetorical emphasis on stylistic emulation also helps integrate the literature into the composition area of the class. For example, Hamlet’s soliloquies are excellent examples of dialectical reasoning, even as they reveal the dangers of using the dialectic to avoid decision. My students can both analyze the form of the soliloquy while drawing from it to form their own arguments by emulating Shakespeare in their own soliloquies. (My favorite this week was “To dance or not to dance,” involving the inner conflict between a love of expression and a need to balance personal pleasures with peer and family expectations.)

    You seem to use “rhetoric” as a synonym for cultural studies here, and I’d argue that this relativistic, over-generalized, and often cynical approach to comp that you’re describing has more in common with cultural studies (of the American variety) than with classical rhetoric.

    I don’t understand these criticisms of rhetoric as a “one size fits all” approach to language or as an overly generalized approach privileging less challenging readings.

    First off, I’m disturbed that no one (besides me) has actually cited a rhet/comp text or any research that supports Joseph’s claims that some bastard child of classical rhetoric has taken over literature or freshman comp classes.

    Second, literature is often “de-emphasized” in composition classes because they are not literature courses. There is no reason to make courses in writing skills also courses in specifically literary analysis. There are, in fact, reasons not to do so: (a) research shows that writing quality is inversely proportional to the writer’s grasp of the material, so asking students to learn how to write at the same time they are learning a field-specific skill such as literary analysis can bring down the quality of student writing; (b) research shows that there are no general writing or critical thinking skills, that skills are “domain specific,” and so writing classes need to focus on the variety of writing tasks a college student will face, from memos to abstracts to summaries to research papers.

    Finally, I don’t see ANY of the major schools of literary criticism advancing any ideas that weren’t implicit in classical rhetoric. Nor have I found major innovations in rhet/comp that weren’t a part of traditional rhet training. Peter Elbow, for example, positions himself against formal rhetorical training, but his own work is simply a variety of rhetoric with a peculiar and at times enlightening emphasis on “invention” strategies.

    Finally, David Gold’s essay in *Profession 2008* deals with the mistaken notion that freshman comp or freshman English was once a noble, rigorous discipline. He draws attention to the fact that, while our grandparents’ generation attended more to an elevation of style, their writings were often devoid of the “critical thinking” or analytic components emphasized in today’s comp classes. Students used to write very rote essays—compare three products and take a position on which is best—in order to concentrate on the finer points of writing: elegant turns of phrases, classical arrangements, memorization of topoi. Today’s students are forced to do a lot more invention, to think a lot more originally and analytically, on top of learning the basics of style.

  • Posted by David Beard on December 24, 2008 at 8:50am EST
  • Nicely said, Luther Blissett.

  • Sophism or Cultural Studies or Rhetoric?
  • Posted by wj at Chicago on December 24, 2008 at 9:40am EST
  • Just to add to the heap here:

    Luther Blisset makes the obvious point that Aristotle's very definition of rhetoric anticipates and answers the objections raised against it in this article.

    Also following Blisset and others, the author seems to run together cultural studies, rhetoric, and sophism, as though they were all of a piece.

    Reading his description of rhetoric, I felt at times as if I were reading a rigidly Platonic critique of rhetoric.

    In any case, it is worth mentioning that if you translate all his contemporary political references into those provided for by 4th and 5th century Athens, and you have a rough description of why sophists were distrusted by the Marathon generation.

  • Um...
  • Posted by Marc C. Santos on December 24, 2008 at 9:40am EST
  • Do Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Cicero and Quintilian know that higher education has only concerned itself with critical thinking for the previous 50 years?

    What about Kant and Humbodlt? If I remember correctly, then they had some interest in critical thinking when they laid the plans for the contemporary University almost 200 years ago.

  • Disciplinary Identities
  • Posted by Em-Rhet , Doctoral Candidate, Rhetoric at Texas Woman's University on December 24, 2008 at 7:25pm EST
  • In his text, Disciplinary Identities, scholar Steven Mailloux holds the opposite position of Mr. Kugelmass with regard to teaching rhetoric in composition classes, so do I. Mailloux's text offers substantial argument as to the value of rhetoric instruction in literature, communication studies, and first-year composition classes.

    While I am not sure where to begin, I am most concerned that Kugelmass's essay does not acknowledge the personal schema that students bring to the "rhetorical table" that extends far beyond "Project Runway" and Homer Simpson.

    To eliminate rhetorical instruction from composition classes is to short-change students of the recognition of rhetotic found within their own majors. I believe that teaching students to consider audience, purpose, and occasion within the confines of their academic discourse communities (majors) is a prime function of English composition programs. The study of various rhetorical approaches(not just Aristotilian)offer to students the tools and strategies that will enable their academic and personal success. Steven Mailloux, echoing the beliefs of Wayne Booth and James Berlin offers substantial evidence to this idea in his book.

    Perhaps Mr. Kugelmass should pick up a copy of Mailloux's text...

  • kick in the eye
  • Posted by Joshua Gunn , Assistant Professor at University of Texas at Austin on December 24, 2008 at 10:40pm EST
  • Much of how I would have responded to this piece has been said more eloquently above (e.g., by David Beard). The oxymoronic title of this essay made me laugh aloud, but after reading the (apparently earnest) essay, I think Papa Zizek would be disappointed in you. Provocation is a good thing and hearty discussions about pedagogy, academic approaches, theory fashion, and so on are valuable. But c'mon dude: if you don't know anything about the subject or the history of its teaching, it's hard to take your provocation very seriously. You gotta know what you're talking about before you play "gotcha!"

  • I do not think that word means what you think it means
  • Posted by Lisa L. Spangenberg on December 24, 2008 at 10:40pm EST
  • I suggest Mr. Kugelmass needs to first understand what rhetoric encompasses; he clearly does not.

    Here's a brief reading list:

    Style: An Anti-Text. Richard A. Lanham. Paul Dry Books; 2 Revised edition (July 1, 2007).

    Analysing Prose. Richard A. Lanham. Continuum; 2 edition (September 2003).

    This is an old, and tired, argument that re-emerges every fifteen years.

  • Posted by David Beard on December 25, 2008 at 6:20am EST
  • Apparently, this piece started here:
    http://www.thevalve.org/go/valve/article/at_least_its_an_ethos_why_merging_rhetoric_with_composition_is_a_mistake/#comments

    ...was unevenly received there, and it was printed here:

    http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/at-least-its-an-ethos-why-merging-rhetoric-with-composition-is-a-mistake/#comment-20016

    ...where some good questions are raised.

    None of which are addressed in this revision, it seems to me. Kugelmass has made the decision.

    A comment on the original blog post says it best:

    "Your post demonstrates for me the “real” problem of infusing rhetoric in composition courses: we rely on folks without adequate training and understanding to teach it."

    David

  • A Response To The Comments So Far
  • Posted by Joseph Kugelmass at UC Irvine on December 25, 2008 at 6:25am EST
  • Thanks to everyone who has made comments so far; a subject as important as this one ought to be controversial. I will begin with general remarks, and then respond to specific authors as their comments warrant.

    An earlier version of this piece was subtitled “Why Merging Rhetoric With Composition Is A Mistake,” and perhaps that title was truer to my intent than the newer one. It is not that I think rhetoric should be dropped entirely from the curriculum; in the article, I call rhetoric a “limited but useful subcategory” of instruction in reading and writing. It will always have an important place, particularly when students are given the opportunity to grapple with primary texts by Aristotle, or Cicero, or Kenneth Burke, or others. Furthermore, I believe that literature need not take precedence over other forms of writing in introductory writing courses. As the article makes clear, I believe in assigning a mixture of genres.

    My piece does not necessarily reflect the views or stated opinions of anyone but myself, including faculty and administrators at UC Irvine. Nor does it necessarily reflect the views of the editors at InsideHigherEd; you do not have to agree with a given opinion to believe that a certain issue is worth examining critically. Some of the responses from commenters suggest that they are uncomfortable with a rhetorical focus being called into question at all, and that they would rather have seen the article simply quashed. This is a sign of deep and counterproductive anxiety within the affected disciplines, as is the constant recourse to sarcasm and imperious dismissal.

    I am amazed at how unhistorical many of the critiques of my post have been. I am discussing the social and political effects of rhet/comp pedagogy in the present day, given contemporary sociopolitical realities, contemporary forms of media and discourse, and the limitations imposed by teaching writing to lower-division undergraduates. While I am aware that rhetoric is thousands of years old, that does not make a particular instance of it separate from capitalism – you might just as well argue that gold is not a capitalist commodity because kings wore golden crowns.

    “Rhetoric and Composition” cannot muster, in its defense, millennia of scholarship on the subject of rhetoric. College freshmen are not taking a graduate seminar on debates that have lasted since Greece and Rome within the diversely constituted field of “rhetoric.” I did not mention writers like Burke, or Cicero, or the Sophists, or Hélène Cixous, or others from other centuries, because it is sheer fantasy to imagine the students in question have access to this sort of specialized scholarly knowledge about rhetoric. It would, however, be better for them if they did, because then they would not feel compelled to take on faith whatever notion of “rhetoric” their institution injects into classes on writing.

    The same goes for other concepts, such as critical thinking. Just because Plato is interested in reason and in Socrates’ radical practices of inquiry does not mean that “critical thinking” goes all the way back to Plato, such that it cannot be discussed in terms of its particular import for writing courses in Western universities in the last fifty years.

    My definition of rhetoric is probably similar to yours: I mean the study of how people use specific representational and argumentative techniques to affect an audience, whether that audience is loosely or rigorously defined. It is an old and lazy tactic to demand definitions when terms are being used in a straightforward manner, or to demand that the author read some additional tome. Nobody can exhaust the field of rhetoric; if some text has given you a good argument to oppose to mine, do us the kindness of summarizing it.

    Rhetoric, as it applies to instruction in writing, does not simply mean any public speech act. It the highly intentional act of anticipating what will appeal most to an audience, in order to incorporate such appeals into a text...or, the analysis of this process.

    Finally, the checks I place on my own argument are there for a reason; I am not “really” taking more conservative or extreme positions than what’s on the page, and it is unconstructive to try to discredit me by suggesting otherwise. Nor are such complications in my argument a form of vacillation. In truth, they are the only path to a moderate, reasoned position. If my argument seems immoderate in light of certain popular pedagogies, that is their shame.

    ***

    AFM: I am a graduate student in English.

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    Daren Young writes,

    To limit ourselves to a canon of established literary authors ignores the reality that movies, television, and the writing we find on the Internet are also the literature of our time, and no number of English teachers kicking against the pricks will reverse this trend.

    No; Toni Morrison, Roberto Bolaño, and Alice Notley are producing the literature of our time. Something like The Sopranos is undoubtedly aesthetically rewarding and culturally significant, but, as I said above, it doesn’t model writing for our students.

    Imagination is the heart of rhetoric, and it is the heart of ethics. What could be more important to our students than learning to understand the lived experiences and values of their fellow humans. Is this not the primary benefit many scholars of literature posit for the reading of great texts? You seem to contend that rhetoric-based writing instruction is somehow separate from creative writing, but it need not be, and should not be. I just finished teaching a semester of first-year writing, using exercises from Quintilian’s progymnasmata as the bases for my writing assignments, and every task my students undertook was profoundly creative and extremely challenging.

    I have no doubt that you were successful, and that your interpretations of Quintilian challenged students with a variety of imaginative tasks. If anything, the specificity of your process makes it plain how hard we should fight against the institutionalization of “rhetoric” as the centerpiece of a composition class. Plenty of graduate students, lecturers, and adjuncts could not reproduce your class at their university if they wanted to, because the prevailing definitions of rhetoric there would keep them from individualizing the curriculum to such a degree.

    Instead of squabbling over the crumbs that fall from the academy’s table, we should be working together to make the case that our students need a four-year language curriculum—rhetoric, literature, design, oration—if they are to be fully prepared to contribute to a better tomorrow.

    I agree wholeheartedly, and would add that I take your point about (for example) the literary, rhetorical, and instructional value of a short poem or short story – though many of our students will consider those “long assignments,” since they are challenging to read.

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    Steven Krause writes,

    He seems to presuming that a) rhetoric is somehow a “new-fangled thing” for the teaching of writing, b) it is limited to ethos, pathos, and logos, and perhaps Aristotle, c) rhetoric is inherently “neutral” in that it takes no responsibility ("If an audience liked it or was influenced by it, you were hard-pressed to say, as a detached rhetorician, that the audience was wrong"), d) the approaches he seems to be suggesting via theorists like Adorno are arhetorical, and e) that it is possible to be outside of rhetoric in the communicative process.

    (A) is not quite true, insofar as I think rhetoric has had a new and specific kind of renaissance in writing courses, which is not to say that it has never been associated with writing before. (B) is an overstatement: what Mr. Krause considers a reductive understanding of rhetoric on my part is really my way of reflecting on the ways rhetoric is reduced for the benefit of undergraduates. (C) and (D) are points that Mr. Krause would have to argue, rather than dismissing, if he expects to preach to somebody other than the choir.

    (E), like several moments in other comments, attempts to make rhetoric so enormous that it simply swallows up all communication, at which point the term becomes basically meaningless. I would argue, with a look back to Mr. Young’s comment, that it is impossible to know one’s audience in many circumstances, and that this uncertainty is more severe now than it was in previous centuries. A rhetor makes a prediction about who is reading, or who should be, but those predictions get contradicted all the time, especially in an age where texts are available to anyone who can perform a Google search. The intentional, rhetorical purposes behind Joseph Conrad’s Heart of Darkness do not travel forward in time and comprehend Chinua Achebe as one of the story’s readers.

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    Jack Pierce writes,

    And quite pathetically he has little grasp on what the term “rhetoric” means. Reducing rhetoric (even Aristotelian rhetoric) to “ethos, pathos, logos” is like reducing postcolonial studies to “the formerly colonized are dissatisfied.”

    Yet since we do not have departments of “Postcoloniality and Composition,” we do not have to worry about undergraduates being reductive in this fashion. Pierce reminds us that the merger between rhetoric and composition is potentially as bad for the popular understanding of rhetoric as it is for students trying to learn composition.

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    Douglas Eyman: “That he doesn’t recognize that literary analysis is a rhetorical act serves to completely undermine his ethos.”

    Sure, publishing a work of literary criticism means writing within certain conventions related to academic audiences, but that does not exhaust the ways in which literary analysis differs from the analysis of “appeals to an audience.”

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    JP on new media: “We ignore such writing at our peril.”

    My term “new media” refers primarily to media that isn’t writing, such as YouTube or film. There are also new mediums for text, such as blogging and online forums, and obviously these new kinds of text have a place in the writing classroom -- as do new novels, and YouTube and film to a more limited extent.

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    Samaa Gamie writes,

    Your argument presents a dichotomy between the role of rhetoric and literature as elements of classroom study and investigation. You present the study of literature as the end all for preparing our students to face the “real world.”

    This is just not true of what I wrote.

    The vast majority of literature courses focus on teaching Western literatures, the voice of otherness is muted, and we are presented with a unitary, white perspective in which white supremacy is both overplayed in the amount of representation of white Western literature and downplayed when we try to put on the seemingliness of inclusion. The few classes that teach non-Western literatures are ones that often include Eruopean writers and few ethnic writers. So literature presents a whole set of problems when we put it at the center of our teaching.

    Actually, this is still somewhat true, but it is a problem with lingering institutional tendencies toward racism and imperialism, and not a problem inherent to literature. Otherwise you are kicking Langston Hughes out of the curriculum in order to become sensitive to the “otherness” that eludes white literature.

    [You endorse the] hope that in reading long, complex fiction we and our students will bother to deconstruct and search for the erased, the marginalized, and the dispossessed in and by these discourses

    Bothering to do so is exactly what we try to train them to do, and practice doing ourselves as scholars.

    ...but a genuine ethical expression of our voices and our visions.

    What is this incredibly Romantic notion of expression doing as the centerpiece of a defense of rhetoric?

    All texts should be equally valuable and equally valued as rhetorical performances that shed light on the being of an otherness.

    No, because not all texts are equally successful in any of the ways in which they might be valued. It is really laughable to generalize this kind of mawkish misreading of Levinas et al. in a world where most texts that Americans encounter on an average day are occupational memoranda, fictions (e.g. television programs), or advertisements.

    ***

    Most of how I would respond to ezry has been already covered admirably by MR; I would only add that if “A Little Knowledge,” is the condensed version of “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing,” he or she is misquoting Pope. A little learning, indeed.

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    To Elizabeth Losh: I should reiterate that I don’t think “rhetorical engagement isn’t a key feature of scholarly discourse,” although the new title may have given that impression. It is just that I don’t think that it is always best to understand a text primarily as a function of its presumed audience.

    My experiences as a teacher in the Humanities Core Course were the source for many of the ideas, presented towards the end of the article, about what I think works well.

    My own article is certainly a very targeted piece of writing; as I say up above, “There are times when ad hoc writing is the most logical response to a particular situation.”

    Ms. Losh writes,

    Second, you imply that this kind of analytical framework is somehow more natural to our students. I think that you might be making the same kind of mistake that those who assume that today’s students are “digital natives” make, by assuming that undergraduates don’t need rhetorical instruction. The new book that I am working on contains many case studies of wildly inappropriate examples of digital media-making by students. . . and by faculty members and university administrators as well.

    I very much like the idea of a study of netiquette in academic settings, and can see how such a study could be applied to writing curricula. At the same time, I can see natural limits to the value of “appropriateness” as a guiding principle. We need to take a large enough view of writing to see that constantly trying to predict and please one audience or another in the name of success is not necessarily the most ethical or the most liberating way to understand writing; at the very least, it slams the door on all kinds of more radical approaches to both style and content that may eventually find a willing audience, but are not born that way.

    ***

    David Beard begins,

    (That this author suffers from this flaw is doubly surprising given that some of the best scholars in rhetorical studies teach at his institution. But those are failings for his faculty to consider, not me.)

    It is hard to imagine how one could feel strongly about rhetoric and composition, other than at an institution that valued both those disciplines and a more open exchange of ideas than you seem to want.

    we do not speak of rhetorically themed writing instruction, any more than we speak of “themed” sociology instruction or “themed” biology instruction

    Theme may be a word best suited to this particular topic, but “we” certainly do talk about foci, or schools of thought, as they apply to a discipline like sociology.

    It should be clear that nonliterary discourse is rhetorical discourse, and so nonliterary writing instruction is rhetorical instruction. The only question is, what form of rhetorical theory informs your pedagogy?

    Once again, this flattens the meaning of rhetoric until it seems to contain everything (except “literary discourse,” which is excluded for no particular reason). In fact, this flattening is a ruse, an attempt to make rhetoric seem blandly and universally applicable, when in fact rhetoric continues to carry all sorts of ideological and epistemological assumptions in its train, including assumptions about the knowability of an audience and the nature of truth.

    Let’s avoid reduction in the representation of the field you would dismiss.

    Let’s be clear, Mr. Beard. We are not discussing an entire field. We are discussing the way an area of specialization within the humanities, “rhetoric,” relates to a specific concrete problem: educating undergraduates in reading and writing.

    The question is, if English faculty at most undergraduate institutions are finding their teaching loads heavier in writing and their writing colleagues more numerous than in the past, how do we grapple with these changes?
    The answer, I think, is to professionalize the work, to treat it as an area of intellectual inquiry, and so to master the practices that shifts much larger than the discipline or the department can control are forcing upon us.

    In other words, to abandon English by being “professionalized” into a new discipline, one entirely responsive to the “practices that shifts […] are forcing upon us.” By representing these social phenomena as “shifts,” we treat them as impersonal forces beyond our control, rather than as problems arising within our own society when the political climate takes a certain turn. These academic “shifts” are implicated in ongoing political struggles; we are obliged to respond to them according to our consciences, rather than being tricked into resigned acceptance.

    Rhetoric is more properly allied with citizenship than with the market.

    I agree. It would be so nice if things followed what was proper, instead of what was profitable.

    Until Mr. Kugelmass understands the field, I suggest that he refrain from criticism. His local Barnes and Noble has a primer that the average reader (nonacademic) can grasp (Thank You for Arguing: What Aristotle, Lincoln, and Homer Simpson Can Teach Us About the Art of Persuasion). Take a stab at that, then, and this will be harder, take a stab at the professional literature.

    This so utterly recapitulates the ideological biases I discuss in the article, right down to a modified version of “Thank You For [X]” for a title, that I urge readers to check out the Amazon.com summary:
    http://www.amazon.com/Thank-You-Arguing-Aristotle-Persuasion/dp/0307341445
    In my next writing class, we will discuss how to let your eyes betray cold fury.

  • Posted by Luther Blissett , High School English teacher on December 25, 2008 at 10:35am EST
  • Joseph, thank you for the thoughtful reply.

    I still have several questions about aspects of your argument that make little sense to me.

    First all, you now seem to suggest that we've all mistaken your use of the word "rhetoric" entirely, and that when you use "rhetoric," you are referring only to what passes as rhetoric in some university writing programs. That's fine and good, but that sort of definition needs to take place at the beginning of your own rhetorical act. A proper grounding in rhetoric would remind us that "definition" is itself one of the key topoi of invention, one that involves a statement of genus and a statement of differentiae.

    And what passes as rhetoric in your discussion is "cultural studies," a turd that by any other name smells as foul. It wasn't some watered down version of rhetoric that proclaimed, "Let's teach *The Simpsons* and Cy Twombly and Jay-Z in freshman comp!" No, it was several ignorant whisper-down-the-lane generations of cultural studies that said, "It's all culture, and if it's culture, it can be studied using my portable cult-stud toolkit." (See Cliff Suskind in this year's *Profession*.)

    But let's not pretend that *real* rhetorical studies is not a lasting element in some composition programs. Corbett's *Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student* is in its fourth edition over at OUP. Scott Crider's more recent *The Office of Assertion* is also a well-used classical rhetoric textbook for first-year writing

    Next, I agree with you that students should have times and places for engaging in lengthy and complicated works of literature. And last I checked, those places were called "English and Comp Lit classes." But I would challenge the view that beginning writers would do better if they also had to negotiate the prose of Proust or the poetics of Pound while learning the basics of the thesis statement, of paragraph transitions, of distinguishing an idea and an example, of arranging ideas in an effective order, etc. Analyzing complex works of literature is a different skill than mastering the basics of written English beyond the level of the sentence. There's no necessary or sufficient connection between the two that means we needs must yoke them. (However, a university with a real dedication to writing might demand several semesters of composition-centered instruction, and advanced comp seminars might very well and very fruitfully take on the issue of how to write about *Troilus and Cressida* or *Invisible Man*. But you're not helping the kid who cannot even paragraph properly by making her also have to spend class time filling up those paragraphs with coherent thoughts on challenging literary texts.

    Part of having a muddled working definition of rhetoric throughout your piece means that when you get to the issue of audience, I feel like you are talking about some specific writing program and generalizing from it. I have never heard rhetoric defined as a way of analyzing speech or text that makes it "a function of the audience." "Audience" in most studies of rhetoric takes into consideration both the immediate occasion of a rhetorical act as well as the imagined or ideal audience for it. So yes, any analysis of Jane Austen worth its salt should attend both to the ways in which Austen uses and revises the conventions she and her audience shared; and it should also attend to the didacticism of any great novelist, that is, the ways in which a great work of art tries to teach its actual audience how to be its ideal audience. One question that has increasingly come up in my 10th grade class's discussions of *Les Miserables* is: What sort of people does Hugo think we should become in order to be able to grasp fully the immensity of his imaginative world?

    In any case, Joseph, if your complaint is with some namby-pamby version of sophism that calls itself "rhetoric" in today's comp classes, I agree with you: get rid of it. Strong houses cannot be built on foundations of Silly-Putty. But I'd like to see you articulate more clearly *what* you think we should be doing in composition classes. I think you would be surprised how much of it is already contained in a trusty (however musty) old guide like Corbett's *Classical Rhetoric*.

  • Posted by David Beard , Assistant Professor at Writing Studies, UM-Duluth on December 25, 2008 at 10:35am EST
  • Mr. Kugelmass,

    In your replies, you quote Eyman:

    --Douglas Eyman: “That he doesn’t recognize that literary analysis is a rhetorical act serves to completely undermine his ethos.”--

    To which you reply:

    --Sure, publishing a work of literary criticism means writing within certain conventions related to academic audiences, but that does not exhaust the ways in which literary analysis differs from the analysis of “appeals to an audience.”--

    Clearly, there are arhetorical literary pedagogies. Some are successful; some are not (no one is rushing to reproduce Richards' protocols). Some are consonant with, but different from, rhetorical analysis.

    But after three posts of this argument and multiple responses, all repeatedly stating that the reduction of rhetorically-based writing instruction is a misrepresentation of the field and of the pedagogy that derives from it, I have to ask:

    1. What is the basis for your claim that rhetorically-based pedagogy is reducible to appeal to the audience? Half-credit for reference to a textbook written by someone with a professional profile in rhetoric. Full credit for an article or scholarly book written by someone with a professional profile in rhetoric.

    ..........................................

    You offer us this argument for the reduction of your scope:

    --“Rhetoric and Composition” cannot muster, in its defense, millennia of scholarship on the subject of rhetoric. College freshmen are not taking a graduate seminar on debates that have lasted since Greece and Rome within the diversely constituted field of “rhetoric.” I did not mention writers like Burke, or Cicero, or the Sophists, or Hélène Cixous, or others from other centuries, because it is sheer fantasy to imagine the students in question have access to this sort of specialized scholarly knowledge about rhetoric.--

    There is an internal contradiction in your claims, in that you earlier call upon us to cite texts that could counter your arguments (you say: "if some text has given you a good argument to oppose to mine, do us the kindness of summarizing it"), but you deny access to the professional literature or the historical tradition in this debate.

    I ask a follow up:

    The implication appears to be that professional teachers of rhetoric and composition must use only the resources of the undergraduate textbook to design and teach their courses. The knowledge they mastered in their graduate training and the knowledge they produce in their scholarship is "out of bounds" for defining or inflecting their courses?

    Is this true of literature? Does the Norton Anthology circumscribe pedagogy in the literature classroom? I would hope not.

    ..........................................

    You are anxious about the globalization of rhetorical theory, a topic of much discussion in the field that could inform your arguments. You note that "attempts to make rhetoric so enormous that it simply swallows up all communication" -- a position discussed, for example, by Schiappa (Phil & Rhet), Schiappa, Scott, Gross & McKerrow, and Gross & Keith (Rhetorical Hermeneutics), and in the aforementioned SAGE Handbook (look for references to "Big Rhetoric."

    We have encountered these questions before, and we have developed answers to them. Insofar as we have embraced Booth and he embraced us (feeding the dialogue between literary and rhetorical studies), they are debates perhaps older than you are.

    Take a gander at these sources and see whether your arguments can be strengthened by a knowledge of the professional literature in the field.

    ...

    You note that the flattening of rhetoric effaces the fact that "rhetoric continues to carry all sorts of ideological and epistemological assumptions in its train, including assumptions about the knowability of an audience and the nature of truth."

    You are right! James Berlin said as much in defining rhetoric as a field that also defines "what can, and cannot, be known; the nature of the knower; the nature of the relationship between the knower, the known, and the audience; and the nature of language." Different rhetorics function differently in defining these terms.

    This question has been on our plate for years, and we have been working to answer it. Your position, for example, about the relative unknowability of the audience, has been explored theoretically and pedagogically by Thomas Kent (Paralogic Rhetoric). Questions about the circulation of texts beyond their intended, knowable audiences have been explored by scholars interested in actor-network theory and ethnographic practices in professional communication.

    It is true, we have left questions of Conrad and Achebe to literary scholars (on the one hand) and historians of print culture (on the other hand). But this is because, despite your claims to the otherwise, we don't believe that all phenomena in writing is rhetorical phenomena.

    ...........................................

    I think we go back to the post from an earlier blog iteration of this essay: the problem is not that we teach writing informed by rhetorical theory. The problem is that we ask people without background in rhetoric to teach rhetoric and composition.

    I believe that you are earnest in wanting your students to succeed. I also believe that you are unaware of the massive literature that could help you help them succeed. I don't know whether this is your fault or Irvine's.

    This leads us to the final questions:

    1. Is it unethical to ask graduate students trained in literary studies to teach rhetoric & composition courses?

    2. Is it unethical for graduate students with no interest in rhetoric and composition as a professional body of literature to accept these teaching assistantships?

    3. If the answer is "yes" to either of the above, what would happen to literary studies enrollments if we acted ethically?

    4. If the answer is yes to 1 & 2 above, what would happen to the job market if we acted ethically? Right now, one in three PhDs in English (lit & rhet comp & linguistics) grabs a TT job in their first year out. Many take jobs they would not have preferred.

    The questions appear loaded, but they are not. So much would be reconfigured, I am guessing at impacts I cannot know.

  • Posted by Kelly R. , Associate Professor of English on December 25, 2008 at 2:30pm EST
  • To all of the responses to Mr. Kugelmass, I would only add that when he begins his own TT job search (if he has not already), he should seriously consider the posted suggestions given here re: his own rhetoric/agency/ethos, his definition of rhetoric, and his particular historical overview of the teaching of writing. As someone who has been on several search committees (including one at present) for various asst. prof positions within English studies--Am Lit, CW, English Ed, Rhet/Comp--I can say that the manner in which Mr. Kugelmass describes, and characterizes, both his preferred method of teaching writing and his rejected method of teaching writing (i.e. his notion of "rhetoric"), will baffle many search committee members, and that's not good. So, for the sake of self-preservation, if nothing else, I'd ask Mr. Kugelmass to consider whether his argument is, in fact, as clear as he believes it to be.

  • Posted by Dr. T on December 25, 2008 at 2:30pm EST
  • Observes Beard: "the problem is not that we teach writing informed by rhetorical theory. The problem is that we ask people without background in rhetoric to teach rhetoric and composition."

    Bingo.

    Granted, Kugelmass is conflating the consequences of (reductive applications of) cultural studies and (oversimplified understandings of) rhetoric in questioning how technical writing is taught to newbie undergrads. But chiding blog responses for their lack of historicism when the original article in question commits this very sin against Grande Dame Rhetoric is a rather disingenuous dodge. Neither, Mr. Kugelmass, should you mistake the very serious critiques offered in some comments as a matter of uncivil "tone" or ideologically-motivated "squashing" when your argument would certainly benefit from the conversation. Of course your original 'position paper' is intended to generate controversy and debate via hyperbole, but broadly condemning rhetoric as BS is no more an invitation to argument than when this trope is invoked in sportsbars on gameday. You should thus not be surprised when the quality of replies aspire to little more than the quality of the original assertion and its subsequent dismissive response. This conversation over rhetoric's role in education is indeed older than all of us (and astonishingly relevant to today), so there is a big difference between pulling up a chair to join the Burkean conversation and busting into the room with an inflamatory ill-informed diatribe. Controversy doesn't automatically equate with quality of or contribution to a worthwhile debate. I admire the boldness, but your more substantive criticisms need to cook in the oven a bit more. It is not a mere dismissal to point you to literature relevant to your case.

  • Reductio ad absurdum, indeed
  • Posted by Dr. T on December 25, 2008 at 3:55pm EST
  • You insist you are "discussing the way an area of specialization within the humanities, “rhetoric,” relates to a specific concrete problem: educating undergraduates in reading and writing."

    Rhetoric is an area of specialization within the humanities? And here I thought it was an ancient art central to centuries of education in classical Greece, Rome, and Italian Humanism into the Enlightenment. I'm afraid this flawed presumption not only defies history, it also falls into the very trap of Capitalistic division of labor or industrialized specialization that you identify as problematic (darn you, ideology!); Rhetoric *is* the very same wholistic educational enterprise that arose to meet the demands of literacy, speaking and writing as applied to civic engagement and persuasion. An entire disciplinary field, Communication Studies, grapples with its scope and any general study of argumentation within every discipline must contend with it's 5 canons. Reductio ad absurdum, indeed.

  • Response to Luther Blissett
  • Posted by Joseph Kugelmass at UC Irvine on December 25, 2008 at 4:45pm EST
  • Luther,

    You write:

    Rhetoric is more than “logos, ethos, and pathos.” It’s more than a grudging admiration for “effective” speech or writing. Aristotelean rhetoric, as opposed to sophism, is the study of the most effective way to convince others of the truth. It’s not the sociopathic pursuit of persuasion by any means necessary. Nor is it the study of any speech-act that makes some money.

    You are quite right in your characterizations of Aristotle; the problem is that you cannot bring Aristotle into the present without complications. To begin with, in the Rhetoric, Aristotle has a fairly undeveloped notion of “the truth” in which he places his complete confidence. Of course, across his many works, we can come to something like an Aristotelian notion of truth, but the model is a highly rationalist one with which many contemporary academics would disagree for any number of reasons -- psychoanalysis, deconstruction, feminism, Marxism, and postcolonialism have all produced widely popular critiques of classical “truth.” Because these critiques make the “truth” in Aristotle seem outdated, the conflation of Aristotelian rhetoric and sophism becomes, not a mistaken interpretation of him, but rather the end result of teaching Aristotle in an uncertain age.

    In addition, Aristotle and other classical rhetoricians wrote at a time when audiences could be predicted in a very different way than now. To take just a few examples, mass media, the Internet, democracy on a vast scale, and the presence of corporations serve to destabilize the meaning and reception of texts. By using Aristotle as a skeleton key, we risk imagining citizenship and civic life in ways that no longer apply; this is somewhat how I would characterize David Beard’s extremely positive description of rhetoric as the thriving language of democratic, coherent communities.

    A rhetorical approach to literature helps students consider the dominant effects of the readings and to analyze how authors create these effects. The traditional rhetorical emphasis on stylistic emulation also helps integrate the literature into the composition area of the class. For example, Hamlet’s soliloquies are excellent examples of dialectical reasoning, even as they reveal the dangers of using the dialectic to avoid decision. My students can both analyze the form of the soliloquy while drawing from it to form their own arguments by emulating Shakespeare in their own soliloquies.
    I’ll tackle the second part first: I love the Hamlet assignment, and if your definition of rhetoric is expansive enough to include this sort of work, then naturally I have no problem with your “rhetorical” approach. I would quibble with the phrase “stylistic emulation,” though, since it appears that your students are emulating Hamlet’s logic, and not other elements of his/Shakespeare’s style, such as his densely figurative language, his meter, and what we moderns might call the “complexes” that inform his thought as much as dialectic: skepticism and a peculiar masochism, to name only two.
    Perhaps they are emulating him in all these particulars as well. If so, they are even further from writing memos, abstracts, summaries, or research papers. Their soliloquies have great value as pieces of ethical reflection, and they help the students understand a wonderful play. From my point of view, you are giving them practice that will be widely useful to them in unexpected ways, ways that almost certainly cannot be foreknown. By “useful,” I mean useful to them both ethically and in terms of the practical value of writing skills. Nonetheless, you are not, by your own standards, preparing them for what other teachers or employers will expect them to write. If it was true that various kinds of writing and critical thinking do not overlap, then this assignment would be a disservice.
    But the reality is that they do overlap, as the trajectories of English majors clearly show. In my own life, I have been a writer-for-hire for the California Employment Development Department, the Thanksgiving Coffee Company, and the White House. Many of my friends, upset with the crises taking place within the humanities, left graduate programs in English and Comparative Literature for law school, and have found great success there.
    As for the “effects” of the text, that is just one way of looking at a text, and it has both advantages and disadvantages. It is often a useful way of talking about the coordinated effect of various small matters of style and structure. It also frequently raises the difficult question “effect on whom?,” since it is a more outward-looking paradigm than, for example, the “meanings” of a text.
    research shows that writing quality is inversely proportional to the writer’s grasp of the material, so asking students to learn how to write at the same time they are learning a field-specific skill such as literary analysis can bring down the quality of student writing
    Isn’t this confusing “material” in the sense of the content of the reading with “material” in the sense of a particular assignment prompt? Naturally, I agree that students who don’t understand either the reading or the prompt will write badly, but I would assume that the teacher is there to help students master both.
    Finally, David Gold’s essay in *Profession 2008* deals with the mistaken notion that freshman comp or freshman English was once a noble, rigorous discipline.
    My argument does not require there to have been a prior “Golden Age” – most of the conflict here is between A) how I was taught as an undergraduate and K-12, and how I teach when I have a lot of control over the curriculum, and B) the sorts of pedagogy I see the rhet/comp movement championing.
    Finally, I don’t see ANY of the major schools of literary criticism advancing any ideas that weren’t implicit in classical rhetoric. Nor have I found major innovations in rhet/comp that weren’t a part of traditional rhet training. Peter Elbow, for example, positions himself against formal rhetorical training, but his own work is simply a variety of rhetoric with a peculiar and at times enlightening emphasis on “invention” strategies.
    Sure, if rhetoric wants to arrogate to itself all creative possibility, then you could file Elbow under “invention,” along with Yeats’s automatic writing and who knows what else. But then, once again, you have wandered quite far from memos, or resumes, or appeals to the emotions of your intended/predicted audience. In short, you have ceased to talk about the sensibility, ideology, and preoccupations of the rhet/comp movement.
    And what passes as rhetoric in your discussion is “cultural studies,” a turd that by any other name smells as foul. It wasn’t some watered down version of rhetoric that proclaimed, “Let’s teach *The Simpsons* and Cy Twombly and Jay-Z in freshman comp!” No, it was several ignorant whisper-down-the-lane generations of cultural studies that said, “It’s all culture, and if it’s culture, it can be studied using my portable cult-stud toolkit.” (See Cliff Suskind in this year’s *Profession*.)
    If my discussions of “audience” and cultural studies seem to be out of place, or an over-generalization of my own experience, check out some of the other negative comments that have appeared in this thread – for example, what Daren Young says about audience, or what Samaa Gamie says about “the literature of our time,” or what David Beard says about forming and reinstantiating communities.
    ***
    To conclude, your comment uses examples from your own class in which you are apparently teaching high schoolers to read Les Miserables and Hamlet. While I might not choose to assign Proust in a given class either, I certainly have assigned some of Pound’s more accessible poetry to ESL students, with wonderful results. Making Shakespeare and Hugo into your rhetorical accomplices while vilifying Pound and Proust is basically arbitrary. The bottom line is that you are asking more of your high school classes, in terms of assigned literature, than rhet/comp programs are frequently asking of theirs.

  • Posted by Luther Blissett on December 25, 2008 at 7:05pm EST
  • I'm not sure that rhetoric depends on Aristotle's notion of the truth. But moving beyond sophism requires some idea of the true, the good, the beautiful, etc. I'm not talking about "absolute" truths here, but I think it's important to teach students that when they argue or narrate or describe, they should be doing so in a good faith attempt to convey the truth as they see it. (Which isn't to say that a good rhetorical education would ignore classic assignments in which students are forced to argue positions they wouldn't normally take.)

    I don't think Marxism, psychoanalysis, deconstruction, etc. really changed this. Lacan and Freud are certainly convinced that their work is true, as was Marx (he called Marxism a "science," of course). Derrida likewise was convinced that the freeplay of signification was an unavoidable fact of language.

    Second, stylistic emulation is an important part of a classical rhetorical education. Students need not emulate every aspect of a certain passage's style; the key is just to try things out, to learn by doing. It's a great way to take what students already know (baking or football or knitting or karate) and have them fashion complex *forms* of writing around content with which they are familiar. I don't think it's good to ask students who have trouble with the basics of writing try to worry about form while also worrying about new content or complex skills. It's hard enough to learn to interpret literature; but to learn how to write criticism and how to analyze literature at once seems counterproductive.

    But as you point, my students read Hugo and Homer and Shakespeare as they practice writing skills. But that's because high school English is a hodge-podge of skill sets and content sets: grammar, language history, rhetoric, composition, hermeneutics, formal analysis, artistic appreciation and evaluation, etc. Freshman comp -- as opposed to intro to literature -- is our first chance outside of high school to reinforce a wide variety of composition skills that students can use in a variety of situations.

    Now, I agree that many English majors find the transition to other writing-centered careers quite easy. But we only hear about the successes. I've seen several English majors enter high school teaching and write memos, lesson plans, curricula, and other professional documents with no sense of the differences between literary analysis writing and professional writing.

  • Response To Beard, With A Glance At James Berlin
  • Posted by Joseph Kugelmass at UC Irvine on December 26, 2008 at 12:50pm EST
  • What is the basis for your claim that rhetorically-based pedagogy is reducible to appeal to the audience? Half-credit for reference to a textbook written by someone with a professional profile in rhetoric. Full credit for an article or scholarly book written by someone with a professional profile in rhetoric.

    Mr. Beard, your use of the terms "half-credit" and "full credit" is hardly warranted.

    I am not suggesting that rhetorically-based pedagogy is reducible to appeals to audience. Instead, I claim that discussing such appeals with students is a key feature of its implementation. In the article, I discuss plenty of other aspects, including an emphasis on popular culture and a certain way of politicizing the "logical fallacy."

    Glancing upthread, you can see in Daren Young's comment, as well as in Elizabeth Losh's foregrounding of "appropriateness," well-articulated versions of the rhetorical concern with audience.

    In James Berlin's Rhetorics, Poetics, and Culture, he identifies the four elements of "the rhetorical situation" as "interlocutor, audience, conceptions of the existent, and signification" (87). As we shall see, Berlin then goes on to forget about signification, to reduce the interlocutor to abjection, and to ineffectively impose Marxist conceptions of the existent. The audience is all that remains.

    He uses postmodern critiques of subjectivity to reduce the interlocutor to a "subject-position" of intersecting discourses. This has the effect of making the audience more real than the subject, because the audience constructs the subject: "From one perspective, the protean subject is a standard feature of many historical rhetorics in their concern for the speaker's ethos, his or her presentation of the appropriate image of his or her character [...] For a postmodern rhetoric, the writer and reader must likewise be aware that the subject, or producer, of discourse is a construction, a fabrication, established through the devices of signifying practices. This means that great care must be taken in choosing and constructing the subject position that the interlocutor wishes to present […] Each of us has available a multiplicity of selves we might call on, not all of which are appropriate for every discursive situation" (88).

    Berlin begins radically (though not originally) by announcing that the subject is a fiction, and then ends with the banal insistence that rhetors must use "great care" in constructing their selves. In context, therefore, the notion of "careful construction" is a way of maximizing the subject's anxiety about her own nothingness in order to persuade the subject to think of herself in claustrophobic "political" terms as a site of "negotiation and resistance in responding to discursive appeals." In other words, "political agency, not individual autonomy, is the guiding principle here."

    The recurrence here of the potentially disempowering rhetorical mainstays “appeal” and “appropriateness” should be obvious enough. In common usage, these are terms that designate ways of fitting in. Berlin, however, tries to save himself from constructing a sociopathic, opportunistic, or schizophrenic subject by locating a rock of the Real: the wretched of the earth. He can safely contain the radical implications of all postmodernism by quoting Cornel West: “The ragged edges of the Real, of Necessity, not being able to eat, not having shelter, not having health care, all this is something that one cannot not know […] To be an upper-middle-class American is actually to live a life of unimaginable comfort, convenience, and luxury. Half of the black population is denied this, which is why they have a strong sense of reality” (quoted on 76-77). Because, Berlin writes, “the vast majority of workers are outside [the] circle of professional security,” for them to “[glory] in the possibilities of floating subjects and indeterminate signifiers is unthinkable” (71).

    This is precisely what I describe in my article as teachers falling “back on dogma whenever they had to perform a rhetorical critique of politically successful discourse […] you had to invoke your own personal theory that out there, in the real world that transcends discourse,” there was a “‘right answer’ independent of audience or Aristotle’s categories of appeals.” By bringing his rhetorical theory back to earth by way of the oppressed’s “sense of reality,” Berlin posits not only that this sense of reality corresponds to reality itself, but also that students have, if not a sense of reality, then at least a sense of the oppressed.

    But how are students to acquire this sense? How can some very specific, controversial content – the idea that poor people, ethnic minorities, and others are “oppressed” rather than lazy, or beyond help, or doing fine, or “not my problem” – find its way into the composition classroom? The answer is that it usually doesn’t cross that border, and so postmodern Marxism becomes an alibi, professed in books and at conferences, for a classroom that is in fact narrowly concerned with “strategies for success.”

    ***

    Beard writes: There is an internal contradiction in your claims, in that you earlier call upon us to cite texts that could counter your arguments (you say: “if some text has given you a good argument to oppose to mine, do us the kindness of summarizing it"), but you deny access to the professional literature or the historical tradition in this debate.

    This is not a contradiction. I am not denying access to the professional literature of our time – that’s what I was asking people to summarize, instead of treating a book title as a counter-argument. It is, however, ridiculous to assert that the writings of countless rhetoricians across thousands of years are a) automatically completely relevant to rhetoric and composition as a modern construct, or b) internally consistent, or c) even in agreement with rhetoric as it is practiced in classrooms today.

    ***

    The implication appears to be that professional teachers of rhetoric and composition must use only the resources of the undergraduate textbook to design and teach their courses. The knowledge they mastered in their graduate training and the knowledge they produce in their scholarship is “out of bounds” for defining or inflecting their courses?

    Of course not. However, anything from works of literature to Dead Poet’s Society to self-help might also define or inflect their course. The fact that I’ve read Michel Houellebecq does not mean I could use a line from Houellebecq to disprove another’s claim about a literature class I was teaching. The fact that a teacher might get something useful out of a book on rhetoric is not a justification for “Rhetoric and Composition.”

    ***

    We have encountered these questions before, and we have developed answers to them. Insofar as we have embraced Booth and he embraced us (feeding the dialogue between literary and rhetorical studies), they are debates perhaps older than you are.

    Well, then, the results have certainly been unimpressive, whoever “you” (plural) are. I suspect they have been unimpressive for the same reason Berlin’s treatment of postmodernism treads so much water – namely, because it is easy enough to name drop a theorist, or recognize an objection, while maintaining exactly the same basic assumptions and practices.

    ***

    It is not unethical for a graduate student trained in literary studies to teach reading and writing, rhetoric included. Also, disagreeing with certain popular ideas within a certain pedagogical field is not the same as having a lack of interest in that field. The opposite is true, actually. Your final questions are really an effort to place the modern alloy “rhetoric and composition” beyond question.

  • For the sake of self-preservation
  • Posted by Joseph Kugelmass at UC Irvine on December 26, 2008 at 2:10pm EST
  • Kelly R. writes:

    So, for the sake of self-preservation, if nothing else, I’d ask Mr. Kugelmass to consider whether his argument is, in fact, as clear as he believes it to be.

    Where the general welfare is concerned, an instinct for self-preservation is not, in my view, a particularly admirable substitute for evident reason.

  • Posted by Luther Blissett on December 26, 2008 at 2:10pm EST
  • Joseph, I'm still trying to get a handle on "the bitch and the pitch" of your article. There's something amorphous about your critique, and I'm having trouble pinning you down.

    As far as I can tell, your problems with rhet/comp teaching today are:

    1) We teach students to write from any perspective

    2)We teach students "critical thinking" only in the sense of a critique of bias or hypocrisy in forensic writing

    3)We teach students to look for techniques of persuasion

    4)We teach students any texts that we want

    5) We were afraid of indoctrinating students and so abandoned radical politics and the Theory that were along with radical politics

    6) Analyzing for appeals to ethos, pathos, and logos breaks the holism of literature

    7) We reduce texts to their original audiences

    Your pitch is:

    1) Teach all students great literature and how to write professional critical analyses of it in freshman composition classes

    Before we go on with this discussion, I think we had better establish if this is a fair summary of your argument.

  • Your self-preservation, actually
  • Posted by Kelly R. , Associate Professor of English on December 26, 2008 at 3:50pm EST
  • Dear Mr. Kugelmass:

    In your response (retort?) to my post, let me clarify: I was speaking of *your* self-preservation. Perhaps you misunderstood. Or perhaps you are not interested in how you are perceived by future/potential employers.

  • "The Bitch and Pitch"
  • Posted by Joseph Kugelmass at UC Irvine on December 26, 2008 at 5:00pm EST
  • Luther,

    It's nice that the comments section allows us to work through this stuff, so that my argument doesn't continue to seem amorphous when it isn't intended to be so.

    If I could have written the post in eight sentences, I would have, so I'm wary of boiling down my article or subsequent comments too much. There's probably much I could add to your list, but I'll content myself with responding to what's already there.

    1. Yes, although out of context the word "perspective" is probably too empathetic. "On behalf of any set of interests" might be better.

    2. Pretty much, when it comes to the official curriculum. Most classes I know of also include some attempts (often in the form of digressions) at making students skeptical of what they see and hear in the mass media.

    3. Yes; moreover, we emphasize persuasion over other goals, e.g. expression.

    4. Not exactly. I'd rather say that we should try to students as much good writing to read as possible, and that this is not always the primary criterion.

    5. Yes, that's true, although it's not to say that we should have fearlessly indoctrinated them instead. Students can discuss the ethical and political issues in well-written texts without fear of "indoctrination," and without additional political content being inserted into the course.

    6. Yes, generally speaking.

    7. Sometimes. More usually, we reduce texts -- especially prospective texts we are assigning -- to their predicted audience, and try to make all sorts of claims about what that audience is like, and what it wants.

    ***

    The pitch part: Students should read both long and short works in a variety of genres, including great literature, and they should be pushed to do substantial reading along with substantial writing. (They should also have enough time in their lower-division schedules for this to be feasible.) They should write some critical essays, along with creative pieces, rhetorical analyses, research summaries, and so on. Their writing assignments should be as diverse as their assigned reading.

  • Reality, continued
  • Posted by Ernest on December 26, 2008 at 7:45pm EST
  • " .. getting people to get to the point in a clear, understandable, and accurate fashion is challenge enough."

    Recall the Dave Chappelle routine: "Wrap It Up."

    Were truer words, ever spoken?

  • My Response to You
  • Posted by Samaa Gamie at URI on December 27, 2008 at 5:55am EST
  • In your presentation of the possible uses of rhetoric and literature in the writing classroom, you present that rhetoric as “a discipline it is not broad enough to cover all the moments of aesthetic discovery and delight that initiate students into the writer’s world.” On the other hand, you argue that teaching literature can and does achieve that, thus literature provides what is lacking in the teaching of rhetoric. If that relationship is not dichotomous, then what is? Your attempt to reconcile that dichotomy comes when you attempt to seemingly be inclusive of rhetoric, when you write that rhetoric can be incorporated in writing instruction “as a useful but limited subcategory,” but that dichomomy is not reconciled because it is the foundation on which your argument for teaching literature is based: “I have come to the conclusion that it is a serious mistake to ground undergraduate instruction in writing in the basics of Aristotelian rhetoric.”

    Your response: Actually, this is still somewhat true, but it is a problem with lingering institutional tendencies toward racism and imperialism, and not a problem inherent to literature. Otherwise you are kicking Langston Hughes out of the curriculum in order to become sensitive to the “otherness” that eludes white literature.

    In my response to your article, I did present a critique of literature courses because of their message of inclusion that fails to deliver on its promises, because these courses mostly present to our students a view of literature that is Eurocentric and white supremacist at best. You concurred with that position, saying it is “somewhat true.” Yet, I believe it is more than somewhat true; it is rather the norm to which we, as teachers, have grown desensitized to. I never stated that this failure to include the margins was a failure of literature itself—because literature is universal--but it is a failure of most of the literature courses taught in the US and in many parts of the world. I am not “kicking out” any canonical literary figure—God forbid. I am simply drawing your and others’ attention to those works and writers that have always been and will remain “kicked out” of the curriculum because of their existence at the margins of the literary cannon, such “otherness” whose sensitivities is inconsequential for some. I am also not sure whether your quoting of the “otherness” in your response is to further ridicule or satirize that non-white “otherness” to which I alluded and to which you referenced.

    Your response exemplifies the reasons for my criticism of what we teach in literature and why it is problematic. When I teach a World Literature class, I hear comments from students, such as we didn’t know there was something called African literature? I often face the question: Is there really something called Arabic literature? As an African-Arab studying and teaching in the US, I find the fact that those questions are posed by college students in the US problematic, and I find it equally, if not more, problematic when existing and future scholars choose to disregard the importance of teaching the literatures of the non-Westerner world? What service are we doing to our educational mission when we don’t care enough to enlighten and educate our students to respect and appreciate the “sensitivities” of otherness—an otherness of equal worth and respect?

    Of course, I and every instructor endorse the hope that in reading long, complex works we and our students will bother to deconstruct and search for the erased, the marginalized, and the dispossessed in and by these discourses. But is that what we do in teaching literature, when we choose to perpetuate the erasure of the erased and the marginalization of the marginalized? Is that deconstructing and searching what goes on when we choose to forget about the need to “become sensitive to the ‘otherness’ that eludes white literature”? In fact, it is not just sensitivity that we need, we need actual inclusion.

    In regards to my defense of rhetoric, any rhetorical performance is a genuine, and supposedly, ethical expression of our voices and our visions—all central to rhetoric and the rhetorical cannons: invention, arrangement, style, memory, and delivery. All the cannons combined work to provide an outlet and an expression to our voices, our ideas, and our visions, whether individual, communal, or national.

    Your response: “No, because not all texts are equally successful in any of the ways in which they might be valued. It is really laughable to generalize this kind of mawkish misreading of Levinas et al. in a world where most texts that Americans encounter on an average day are occupational memoranda, fictions (e.g. television programs), or advertisements”

    Yes, I do believe all texts are valuable rhetorical performances. I guess you might not have read Mina Shaughnessy’s work. Have you read her work, you would have known that even in what seems to be an “unsuccessful” error-ridden piece of student writing, the analysis of the complexity of that linguistic and rhetorical production and the analysis of the causes and/or sources of those un-successes is not any easier, if not more, complex than the analysis of the writing of the best of writers. In your response, you say “because not all texts are equally successful in any of the ways in which they might be valued.” What are those criteria by which a text can or might be valued? Are these the Western normative mechanisms of literary value that Barbara Herrnstein-Smith addressed in her critique of the cannon? If those terms by which texts are judged as valuable or as less valuable are abstract and vague as they usually are, then there is little doubt they will do any better in being less exclusive?

    My interest in engaging in that discussion comes not from a position of ideology. I am not interested in addressing ideology or promoting one; my interest is in the practice of exclusion of non-Western otherness that has become the norm in many, if not most, literary circles and scholarly discussions. On that basis, I find the teaching of literature instead of rhetoric a disservice. In teaching literature, we will be telling our students that the most valued literary works are in the Western cannon. In teaching literature instead of rhetoric, we are excluding an unfamiliar otherness that we have grown accustomed to excluding. As teachers, we have become accustomed to avoiding the discomfort of the unfamiliar and have come to cherish the comfort of the familiar and the “normal.”

    In teaching rhetoric, I find hope. We have come a long way from the early historical elitism of the practice and teaching of rhetoric. We have come to see the inculcation of rhetoric in both our scholarship and classroom practices. It is that knowledge of rhetoric and the knowledge that comes with it that has challenged the view of the “inherent” value of a text and has paved the way for the redefinition of what a text is and what its features are or could be. It is in rhetoric that I find a greater possibility for greater inclusion of different texts and different rhetorics from around the world.

  • Much ado about nothing
  • Posted by Dr. T on December 27, 2008 at 10:20pm EST
  • Methinks Kugelmass' argumentum ad ignorantiam against rhetoric may be better summarized by a different line from THE BIG LEBOWSKI, wherein Walter Sobchak offers a helpful if cheeky clarification:

    "No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

  • Posted by Luther Blissett on December 28, 2008 at 7:15am EST
  • Joseph, thanks for the clarifying responses.

    Keeping the order of main ideas above:

    1. We mustn't throw out the baby with the bath water. There is an important pedagogical function, going back to classical rhetoric, when we ask students to practice writing "for any interests." I, too, dislike that see of rhetorical education, as did Aristotle and Plato, for whom such practices were called sophism. A better way of looking at, and instructing, such exercises, is that students must explore points of view in their own writing that they themselves might not themselves accept. Arguing one's opponent's case makes for a stronger argument of your own, while lending a legitimacy and understanding to your opponent. It's also a factor in creative writing that cannot enter other people's perspectives, a limitation sadly displayed in workshop-style poetry and "highbrow" graphic fictions, most of which are like illustrated diary entries.

    2. I agree that a rhetorical education limited only to an easy skepticism seems stupid. But again, true rhetorical analysis is about form and function and their relationship to content, audience, sender, message, code, etc. Ohio State U uses a text called *Writing Analytically*, which guides composition studies along a set of critical practices involving uncovering aesthetic patterns in the arts, uncovering logical fallacies and false binaries in academic nonfiction, and provides a supple, improvisational method for drafting and crafting the analytical essay. It's a text that can be used in writing courses from a variety of disciplines, but it's not asking for some hodge-podge of readings/viewings with predetermined cynical responses from students.

    3. I don't think we teach persuasion to the detriment of expression (or narrative or summary or analysis or interpretation). The huge stock still held in Peter Elbow, the lingering love of "freewriting" and "brainstorming" in rhet/comp show that expressivist orientation still around. On the other hand, the Critical Writing Program at the University of Pennsylvania is centered about "Writing About ______" courses in economics, art, literature, folklore, anthropology, etc. Students learn a variety of forms of writing while engaging in challenging texts from these fields.

    In fact, the trend I've noticed in CCCC and other publications is toward an ethnography of writing practices; that is, an attempt to gathering evidence of what writers at every level actually do when they write. That seems like a fruitful approach to take in the classroom as well.

    4. I like the idea that college students should be reading the best texts in every one of their classes. But let's put pressure on that idea. You critique suggests that "great readings" are mostly English/Comp Lit readings, as if scholars in those fields write better than scholars in other fields. Anyone who is in those fields, though, knows that these scholars are often terrible writers. (I find history scholars on average better writers than lit scholars.) So I don't think that reading *Middlemarch* is a necessary or sufficient condition for becoming a better writer of essays of any sort.

    5. I agree that we can examine political or ethical questions raised by the primary readings without fear of indoctrination.

    6. I do not think that the logos/pathos/ethos analysis of a text breaks its holism. First off, holism is something a critic must establish -- primarily through some form of analysis. The unity of a great text emerges when the ideas (logos), affect (pathos), and presentation of narration (ethos) all tend toward unified effects. The opening scene of *Hamlet* is a great example, as the language creates an atmosphere of mysterious and troubling uncertainty, while the theme of confused identity is raised immediately by the royal guards. Shakespeare's ethos comes clear in the way he weaves these strains deftly, creating a trustworthy text. Rhetorical analysis is really new criticism by another name. Analysis usually brings the text back together to reveal a hidden textual whole. (Unless you're a deconstructive close reader, in which case textual anomalies are used to break down these patterns.) Any concepts can be used poorly in a classroom; rhetorical concepts aren't somehow more susceptible to misuse than others.

    7. I think we could err too often on the side of audience, but to read literature with no sense of the original audience, or of the text's implied or ideal audience, is to miss out on what the text is trying to do. This is not to keep a text relegated to the past, but rather to gauge the distance between our readings and past readings and understand what in and out of the text causes these differences. (But notice that none of this is essential for a freshman comp class in which you're trying to get students to write coherent paragraphs and unified essays and effective descriptions, and moving narratives, etc.)

    In the end, I appreciate your "pitch" of what a good freshman comp class might look like. I do take issue with Samaa Gamie's claim that only in rhetoric can we incorporate "otherness" into our fields. The canon battles that took place largely in English departments over the past 40 years were pretty successful, to the point that too many colleges have no rigorous or coherent curriculum for literary studies.

  • Posted by David on December 30, 2008 at 12:10am EST
  • Excellent.

  • Definitions
  • Posted by User06032 on December 31, 2008 at 9:55pm EST
  • If Aristotle's version of rhetoric is not the one upon which we should base our teaching of FYC, then what about the version of rhetoric offered by the Sophists?

  • At least they aren't bombing people they disagree with
  • Posted by Jacob from California , Lefty Lunatics bomb America because they're unpatriotic at UCSB (lefty lunatic pathetic wannabe ivy league school) on January 2, 2009 at 5:45am EST
  • As long as you lefty lunatics are bullshitting each other on whacko blog sites I guess that means at least you're not bombing people you disagree with and then calling them fascists.

    Bombings cool...but hypocrisy makes you girls look pathetic.

  • P
  • Posted by Lisa L. Spangenberg on January 5, 2009 at 5:05am EST
  • Mr. Kugelmass, you wrote:

    “Rhetoric and Composition” cannot muster, in its defense, millennia of scholarship on the subject of rhetoric. College freshmen are not taking a graduate seminar on debates that have lasted since Greece and Rome within the diversely constituted field of “rhetoric.” I did not mention writers like Burke, or Cicero, or the Sophists, or Hélène Cixous, or others from other centuries, because it is sheer fantasy to imagine the students in question have access to this sort of specialized scholarly knowledge about rhetoric. It would, however, be better for them if they did, because then they would not feel compelled to take on faith whatever notion of “rhetoric” their institution injects into classes on writing.

    It's not "sheer fantasy," it's our job to provide access. Morover, we can in fact call on "millennia of scholarship on the subject of rhetoric": it's not like we're doing anything new when we teach the five parts of rhetoric, or the parts of a classical oration applied to composition -- or a blog post.

    Honestly, rhetoric, and the teaching of rhetoric in a comp class, doesn't mean what you very clearly want it to mean--and again, it's not like the progymnasmata are new.

  • Posted by David Beard on January 5, 2009 at 2:10pm EST
  • The conversation moved to territory slightly more favorable to Kugelmass's position here:
    http://www.thevalve.org/go/valve/article/the_rhet_comp_article_at_least_its_an_ethos_picked_up_by_inside_higher_ed/#comments

    Fascinating.

  • This is what I love about rhetoric
  • Posted by Bryan , Student of technical writing and rhetoric at University of North Texas on October 28, 2009 at 5:45am EDT
  • Mr. Kugelmass,

    Realizing that I am but an undergraduate student, taking only my first rhetoric course as a senior, I have to say that I disagree with both what you said in your article, and with what I believe you may have been trying to say. I don't mean to come off as condescending here, it is simply that your article, and your first response to the comments made about it, seem to miss what I have learned to be a "definition" of rhetoric. Let me preface by stating that I realize that my views on rhetoric must be limited and therefore I acknowledge the possibility that I am completely wrong.

    I don't know that it is even possible to teach writing without teaching rhetoric. Your very article is steeped with rhetoric. You have introduced a premise, invented an argument, and set about proving it by use of logos, pathos, and ethos. Even were we to adhere to your definition of rhetoric, (the study of how people use specific representational and argumentative techniques to affect an audience, whether that audience is loosely or rigorously defined,) you would be hard-pressed to teach a freshman writing course without using some of those methods. One of the papers I had to write as a freshman dealt explicitly with persuasion. The hostility you have received, however, is based on the idea that your definition of rhetoric is inherently wrong. You say later that the focus on definition is a "lazy tactic" to blur your argument, but how else are any of us to reach stasis on the question at hand? Plato may have agreed with you, but even he, in his scathing views of rhetoric's deceptive nature, seemed almost subconsciously to be aware of his own use of it. Any writing of any kind must present some form of thesis or idea, which in turn presents some form of bias or another, which is inherently rhetorical.

    The ensuing comments remind me of Shiappa's response to Gaonkar's "Double" article in which Gaonkar calls rhetoric a "parasite." I think that everyone would do themselves good by reading an article responding to both of these by Joshua Gunn, who actually commented on this article himself, called "Size Matters." It is comical to me, because I doubt that you, like many of rhetoric's critics, have any desire to change your belief in this matter. It seems we are all, myself included, just dancing with ourselves around our own beliefs of rhetoric and it's importance and reach. I only write then, because deep down, like many of your respondents, I believe that a reevaluation of what rhetoric is on your part, and not just the ancient ideal of it, but the modernist turn and rhetoricality as well, would make teaching writing to students like myself much easier. If you cannot change your views, then please note that, by writing an article as politically polemic as this one is, you present yourself as an extremely biased, dare I say, rhetorician, and it certainly works against your ethos.

    I apologize for being two years late to this party