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A Defense of the Lecture

November 20, 2009

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One of the most entrenched opinions in discussions of pedagogy in higher ed is that classes should ideally be discussion-based, with lecturing kept to an absolute minimum. Lectures, we are told, fail to teach students in an enduring way, because they inculcate a passive learning style that results in information being stored only long enough to be “regurgitated” on an exam and forgotten soon after. By contrast, conventional wisdom holds, students are unlikely to forget what they learn in the context of a discussion, because they have to work hard to come up with their own answers. In this context, the consistent reports from students that they want more lectures are dismissed as laziness on their part, a reflection of a less-developed learning style that we need to challenge rather than coddle.

A lively discussion of a book by a small, engaged group is an ideal to be aspired to. At the same time, it seems to me that such discussions are pretty rare, even among professional academics (note how often people will express surprise that a conference session had good discussion). Such skills need to be cultivated, and of course you can only learn by doing. Yet there are some base-level confidence issues that need to be addressed as well, and unless we want to cultivate students who believe that their every utterance is intrinsically worthwhile due to their precious snowflake-hood, it would probably be good to get them to a point where their confidence is earned, where it’s based in actual knowledge.

A big part of that has to be getting them to a point where they are good readers. That means being actual baseline good readers who are able to identify key themes, sympathetically state the author’s argument in their own words, talk about what each section of the book is supposed to be contributing to the whole, and so on — that kind of thing is the necessary foundation for the “critical reading” stage.

I think that the assumption that students have baseline reading skills is behind the thinking of people who want more or less exclusively discussion-based classes — lectures, they suppose, are just trying to transmit information, which the books can do by themselves. If we assume that the students are reading attentively outside of class, we can use the class time to practice our critical reading with each other. I don’t think it’s at all clear, however, that students typically come to college with the skills necessary to make such a model work. Some will, but it’s much safer to assume that your students need help. And I believe that we should interpret students’ desire for more lectures precisely as a cry for help.

Lectures can play a significant role in getting students to that next level if they’re used not primarily to transmit information, but to guide students in their reading and in certain modes of thinking. Lectures have significant advantages over written texts — including the ability to use the full range of tone and pacing that an improvised oral delivery allows, as well as the ability to check in periodically to make sure students are still “on board” and change the presentation if necessary — and those advantages should be mobilized in a way that feeds into the reading process itself. A simple example is telling students what they should be looking for in their readings and giving them an outline of the basic argument ahead of time (my own students have requested as much). This will give them more confidence going in and give them a way of seeing what it looks like for themes to emerge or arguments to be strung together. After a few classes worth of that kind of directed reading, perhaps they’ll be ready to begin drawing out themes and arguments themselves. Again, these skills are not something we should be taking for granted!

What’s more, it’s not at all clear to me that imposing a straight discussion model on students who are bewildered and disoriented about the readings is going to do much good for them. I have learned this lesson from hard experience after trying an “inductive” pedagogical approach and finding that the texts only began to make sense to them after I gave up on leading questions and directly told them what themes they should have found. If I had begun instead of ended with that, not only would the discussion have been able to proceed at a higher level, but their reading time would have been better spent as well. Preparing students for the reading can be an important way of being respectful of their time in a context where they face ever-greater demands outside the classroom.

This brings me to another unpopular element of traditional pedagogy: the so-called “regurgitation”-style exam. It seems to me that to be productive in class discussion, students first need to be comfortable talking amongst themselves about the subject matter — and the best way to cultivate that comfort may well be for them to study in groups in an old-fashioned information-heavy course. The process of coming up with easy ways to remember things is a way of putting things into their own words and getting at the concepts, something they’re much more likely to do if they’re studying with others rather than trying to memorize things alone in their room. Not having the pressure of having to “perform” in front of the professor might also be helpful there. Hence even the much-derided process of studying for a “regurgitation”-style test has its role — and it also meets the students at the level of learning they are likely bringing with them from high school.

Overall, I believe that the traditional pedagogical methods, such as lectures and information-heavy exams, have an essential role, as long as they’re used in a conscious way. They have the possibility of covering up the flaws of lazy or unengaged educators in some cases, but then so does the discussion model — showing up with the book in hand and asking, “So what’d you think?” arguably takes even less work than delivering a decades-old lecture.

The goals of critical thinking are the only possible goals of a liberal arts education, and I support them without reservation. Yet you can’t jump straight to them, and I think that a lot of the ways people talk about pedagogy assume that you can — and what enables them to do that is to assume that the books can handle the data transmission just fine. We need to take seriously the fact that on many important levels, freshmen (and not just freshmen) don’t know how to read. It’s a fixable problem, but it’s a real one.

Adam Kotsko is visiting assistant professor of religion at Kalamazoo College. He blogs at An und für sich.

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  • Adler had it right
  • Posted by David Lee Rubin , Professor Emeritus of French at University of Virginia on November 20, 2009 at 8:00am EST
  • See Mortimer J. Adler, The Paidea Proposal (1998) for the best argued and most practical set of distinctions between lecture, coaching, and discussion.

  • More Advantages
  • Posted by Keith Johnson on November 20, 2009 at 8:30am EST
  • This essay is sorely needed. Yet it only points out a few of the reasons lectures are the basis of higher education. I would suggest a few more.

    Lectures are (or should be) as current as the information in the field itself, and even the latest edition of the textbook in most fields is out of date by the time it is published.

    The lecturer is (or should be) actively engaged with his/her field, and working in it in some form (writing, doing research). Sharing that work is a model of the field that doesn't arrive from the finished product (textbook, articles).

    Lectures can be organized around a theme, focused on an idea, linked to current issues, everything that a sterling discussion can do, while easily controlled and organized by the instructor. Discussions can be organized, but with difficulty.

    Bad lectures at least stick to the material (even including bad instructors who read aloud from a book or notes prepared when they were students themselves). Bad discussions are totally worthless, as they often share nothing with the class material.

    Students are oriented to lectures, know how to make notes, listen for key points, and (sometimes)ask questions or raise an issue. Discussion skills could do the same, but most students don't arrive with them.

    I believe that it is also important to feel comfortable to engage in discussion, a different set of skills, but teaching this is not an appropriate use of time and resources for many subject areas in higher education.

    Recently I attended a conference for students at a college where the participants were assigned a discussion group, led by an experienced discussant. About 25 of us filed into a classroom, and our first task was to arrange the chairs into a circle. Then we went around the circle, each person making a personal introduction, little more than name and major. By the time we had finished the process of getting started, half of the discussion time had evaporated. The "discussion" that followed was about why each attendee had decided to attend the conference, and as the discussant was unaware that the students came because they were getting class credit, her questions about their motivation just elicited a remark on the order of "Because my professor said it was a good idea to come." Not a word was uttered about anything substantial. This experience only reinforced my concerns about class discussions.

  • To lecture or not
  • Posted by Candace Broughotn, Ph.D. , Library at Cattaraugus-Little Valley M-H School on November 20, 2009 at 9:00am EST
  • The professional development focus this year at my high school is something being marketed as "The New American Lecture" by Silver Strong and Assocociates. To summarize the model asks teachers to set up their lectures with four components: 1-connecting (the "hook"),2-organizing (students use a blank graphic organizer to record main ideas and details), 3-deep processing ...in my view this is the sticky wicket..."teachers use vivid imagery, emotion, and humor to reinforce important concepts, and 4-exercising "The lecturer interrupts the lecture every 5-7 minutes to ask review questions in different learning styles, The lecturer closes with a synthesis task that helps students integrate or summarize what they have learned." Personally, I find this a tall order and I have yet to see anyone give a "NAL." I don't know if the concept of "differentiated instruction" has migrated into higher education circles, but the idea with D.I. is to reach different learning styles. It seems to me that a great deal depends on subject matter, class size, institutional support, and personal traits of the lecturer. Students with an auditory learning style usually enjoy the lecture format, but others who are more visual "tune out." The writer mentions that conferences with good discussions are unusual. I have been to many conferences where despite a strict injunction, not to "read your paper," people read their papers. For me these can be deadly dull. I can only imagine how some younger learners might feel. It's true that reading a paper and lecturing are not the same, but they are very similar. Just as lawyers take acting classes, I've often thought that anyone who teaches, especially in high school and college, should learn how to present information in more dramatic way and learn about how to run group discussions. It is not a given that most of us have either of these skills.

  • A Defense of the Lecture
  • Posted by rosanne soifer , adjunct prof.-Digital Media Arts at Touro College,NYC on November 20, 2009 at 9:15am EST
  • My class sizes often wind up in  the no-man's land between a discussion and a standard  lecture; too big for the former, but too small for the latter. However, I often opt for the classic straight-ahead lecture, with a limited number of questions as they come up. Why? I have, on several occasions, tried the "arrange-the chairs-in-an- informal--circle" type of doscussion approach with limited success.

      Why?  The students got very friendly with each other  exchanging their often rather limited knowledge and specious opinions. I, along with my subject matterl, became superfluous and irrelevant.

  • Posted by Marc on November 20, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • Adam, it seems you contrast the lecture method in its best form to what you call the discussion method in its weakly executed forms. Is that a fair comparison? More to the point, you seem to be entirely unaware of the large body of scholarship on learning, and that research, briefly put, shows that lectures do not convey much information to most students, do not promote critical thinking, and do not produce improved skills. Why do academics, who value research findings in their own scholarly fields, feel so free to ignore research on teaching effectiveness?

    Lectures are quite valuable - but they work best for students who already have some deep familiarity with the field being lectured on. They are very poor means of educating most college students, especially in intro level or general education classes.

  • I *want* to like this article
  • Posted by Brian , Associate Prof. at Big State U on November 20, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • but I can't. I agree with a number of points the author makes. I wholly support rethinking and revitalizing "the lecture" for the 21st century. Likewise, I've found a lot of the "creative" discussion-based activities to be an especially poor use of classroom time. Going one step further, I think that lower level forms of learning, like memorization and regurgitation, shouldn't be dismissed so readily in the college classroom (because I can't get at synthesis or analysis if they don't know the basic facts, terms, and concepts).

    So, I want to like this article, but it's far too anecdotal. Isn't there scholarship on teaching and learning? Haven't social scientists studied the discussion vs. lecture issue? I read this article hoping to see new evidence about how different teaching methods influence learning. Disappointing . . .

  • Very good!
  • Posted by Steve at Western Michigan University on November 20, 2009 at 11:15am EST
  • Very good, Adam! I think lecturing is far from dead. Rather, it continues to be a valuable means of re-presenting and summarizing information that students are getting from the textbooks, which are themselves often hard to understand and way too long-winded. If students have no familiarity whatsoever with the material--as frequently they do not, in the history classes I teach--then they need to encounter it in several different ways in order to learn it. This includes, for primary source material, reading it, reading what the textbook says about it, listening to what I have to say about it (lecture), and then discussing it in class as I ask questions about the material following my lecture. How can students discuss what they know nothing about? A good lecture will properly introduce them to the subject material and get them thinking about it.

  • Good Teaching v. Bad Teaching
  • Posted by Ron on November 20, 2009 at 11:15am EST
  • I agree with Marc that the article compares "good" lecturing with "bad" discussions. That is a false dichotomy. What we ought to be talking about is "good" teaching v. "bad" teaching. Good teaching includes a variety of methods to engage students in learning - lecture, discussion, labs, exercises, reading, etc. Relying on any one of those probably does not result in good teaching.

  • Posted by Carol on November 20, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • Lectures . . . are very poor means of educating most college students, especially in intro level or general education classes.

    Huh? I teach survey classes, and my students have almost no grasp of the basic information needed to grasp my field. The last time they had a class on my subject, in fact, is usually eighth grade. So, when they come into class knowing nothing, without any type of working knowledge of the field, how else but through the lecture am I going to bring them up to speed? I mean, seriously? Lecturing is exactly what my students need. Exactly.

  • Lectures
  • Posted by Neosha A. Mackey , Dean of Library Services at Missouri State University on November 20, 2009 at 12:00pm EST
  • Go to any online index or database (I just searched Academic Search premier) and search for lectures and learning and you will a number of articles on the scholarship os teaching and learning and how lectures are evaluated in such research.

    Personally, I always preferred lectures and having a textbook. As a in-class professor at times, discussions are often easier to prepare for than a lecture I find.

  • Lectures
  • Posted by Gloria , Retired Prof. in Canada on November 20, 2009 at 1:00pm EST
  • I appreciate seeing a defense of lectures. In different fields of study, lectures serve different functions.

    Lectures may model how to read the texts in a particular course, e.g., you read metaphysics texts differently than you read analytic philosophy texts.

    Lectures may connect the readings in a course to one another, e.g., a prof might show the development of one scientific theory over time, or might articulate how the articles that students read embody a debate over which of two theories is best.

    Lectures may place the readings in an historical context for students new to the field.

    Lectures may place the readings within the most up-to-date current research context.

    Lectures may provide background to the readings; background that the prof knows his or her specific students happen to lack.

    Lectures may integrate the readings in a new way that no other prof does or can do, e.g., a prof might place psychology readings within a philosophical framework.

    There's an old saying that reading teachers in elementary school are exposed to:

    Read the lines; Read between the lines; Read beyond the lines.

    University students can usually read the lines. Good lectures from a prof model how to read between the lines and beyond the lines.

  • False dichotomy
  • Posted by Adam Kotsko , Visiting Assistant Professor of Religion at Kalamazoo College on November 20, 2009 at 1:00pm EST
  • People seem to be misunderstanding me -- I'm not opposing lectures to discussion, I'm trying to get people thinking about ways that lecture can *serve* good discussion. I say repeatedly that good discussion is the goal. And I'm well aware that the literature says lectures don't do well with information delivery, but my point is that we need to rethink lectures as achieving tasks *other* than information delivery. For instance, the lecture can explain the readings in advance, and then the students put that to work when they read, and *then* you can discuss -- I never put forward lecturing as the sole way of giving them the information or the skills; it's part of a broader strategy. And at no point do I say or imply that a course should be entirely lecture-based or exclude discussion. Again, I explicitly and repeatedly say that good discussion is the goal. I'm saying that if we rethink the lecture, it can be a crucial part of helping students get up to speed in a pedagogy that has critical thought as a goal.

    For instance, I imagine if I had told readers verbally what the purpose of the article was, they would've read it with greater understanding instead of just forcing it into the tired dichotomy of lecture vs. discussion that I'm trying to get past.

  • Different disciplines
  • Posted by Ian on November 20, 2009 at 2:15pm EST
  • I agree completely with the previous posters who point to the false dichotomy between good lectures and bad discussions. I also see no reason why a discussion-based course cannot include time to teach the students how to read for college, which I agree isn't necessarily intuitive.

    But we also have to pay attention to the discipline and the level of the content. Lecture makes more intrinsic sense in some disciplines than it does in others; and discussion makes more intrinsic sense in many disciplines as the students progress through the class levels. This article just spends too much time flattening out the differences and creating straw men.

  • lectures v. small group discussions
  • Posted by DBL on November 20, 2009 at 4:00pm EST
  • Lectures are only as good as the lecturer. As an undergraduate, I took a lecture class by Prof. Benjamin Schwarz on the intellectual history of pre-modern China. He was so brilliant, the classroom was always packed to standing room only with visitors, including graduate students and visiting scholars. How can listening to a fellow undergraduate talk about Han Fei Tzu in a small group discussion compare to listening to Prof. Schwarz expound on his views? Small group discussion classes are seriously overrated as tools for education - they are mostly vehicles for the uneducated to show off to the even more uneducated.

  • Some Data
  • Posted by Bill Goffe , Professor / Economics at SUNY Oswego on November 20, 2009 at 5:00pm EST
  • As other commentators pointed out, there is a literature on this very topic. Like any research we do, it seems pointless to me to not reference it. Plus, rather than opinions, the real metric should be "in what situations do students learn better, and what is your data showing this?" Otherwise, we'll never make any advances and our successors will have the same debates.

    Certainly fields vary, but there are reams of studies in physics and increasingly astronomy that lecture-based courses don't lead to much fundamental learning. See http://cook.rfe.org/teaching_methods.html for a summary. Also, I recently read http://www.csupomona.edu/~alrudolph/professional/publications/PrathRudBriss_PT_Oct09.pdf and I've got to admit that such studies carry far more weight with me than opinions.

    On how to carry out meaningful small group discussions, see
    http://teambasedlearning.apsc.ubc.ca/ in general and
    http://teambasedlearning.apsc.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/tbl_intro_2008.pdf for quick highlights.

  • Definition of Lecturing, Discussing, etc.
  • Posted by CC Prof on November 20, 2009 at 9:15pm EST
  • Some of the commentators are referring to studies about the efficacy of lecturing, etc. How are any of these things defined? What if students ask questions during a lecture? Is it still a lecture? How many questions are allowed before it is a discussion? How is any of this defined? What if someone takes a hybrid approach. Frequently in a philosophy class, I will explain or demonstrate some ideas, concepts, or arguments before turning to a text that we will read aloud and that I will explicate before moving onto a discussion of that text and the other stuff that I started with. Frequently, I will engage one or two students in conversation for something like five minutes or more, especially if they are asking probing questions or raising good objections to an argument or idea. Frequently, I will remember such engagements with my students and return to the ideas or themes raised later in the class. How is such an approach going to be defined and measured? Basically, I don't worry about such things. I try to teach passionately and give my students a serious performance.

    I have to agree with the commentators who have stated that lecturing, discussing, etc. all have their place in the classroom. I think that it is even more complicated than that. The subject matter, the capabilities of the professor, the capabilities of the students, the size of the class, and undoubtedly other factors determine whether one should lecture, discuss, or whatever. There is definitely more than one way to teach well.

  • specious
  • Posted by George T. Karnezis on November 20, 2009 at 9:45pm EST
  • Others (see Marc) have pointed to the speciousness of this piece, which suggests that the very "critical thinking skills" necessary for a teacher of the liberal arts somehow escaped the clutches of this writer. I sent my two children to a small liberal arts college where small classes and discussions were fostered, along with, I'm sure, well delivered lectures in relatively small classes that allowed for questioning. The valuing of small class discussion does not require a knee jerk condemnation of lecturing. Both methods have their distinctive virtues when well practiced, and neither should be automatically praised or condemned independent of specific classes or subjects being taught.

    The problem with writers like Kotsko is they create the usual straw personage easily knocked over, a tactic that I should think would be spotted by many first year students who have been lucky enough to study some basic rhetorical principles. I trust Kotsko is not typical of colleagues at K College; he's a bad advertisement for a proponent of the liberal arts. Notice, please, how his "opponents," those silly enough to misplace faith in discussion, are portrayed as dimwitted in his second paragraph (they just pamper students and treat all their contributions uncritically. Got that?). Thus commentator DBL walks through the anecdotal door Kotsko opened ("I had a lousey discussion class and a great lecture class, so THERE!"), makng choosing up sides and drawing conclusions oh so simple once you claim your experience as typical.

    Readers of IHE deserve better than this sort of fatuous and superficial coverage of a very important subject. Another sign of Kotsko's failure is his surprise at readers who found him creating opposition between lecture and discussion. Given what he wrote, he shouldn't be surprised at all. He is essentially saying at one point that since students really don't know how to discuss, and teachers are winging it with unprepared vague opening questions (Whadja think?), we'd better go back to the "rigor"of the carefully prepared "lecture." Again, given this choice, who would disagree? It's the characterizing of the choice itself that's simple-minded and offensive.

  • Posted by Adam Kotsko on November 21, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • It'd be awesome if a commenter would try responding to what I'm actually saying, instead of assuming I must be bashing discussion since I'm defending lecturing.

  • Posted by Joshua Blanchard on November 21, 2009 at 9:15pm EST
  • One point about the laziness interpretation of student desire for more lectures. So what if this means students are lazy? That's not an argument for discussions. They might only be lazy in this sense: why should we pay massive tuition costs in order to teach ourselves subjects, or hear what some other student has to say? That's lazy, but justifiably so.

  • responding to what I'm actually saying
  • Posted by ezry on November 21, 2009 at 10:30pm EST
  • Ok, then.

    "A lively discussion of a book by a small, engaged group is an ideal to be aspired to."

    Not necessarily, in an undergraduate classroom. In a pedagogical setting, "discussion" is not the ends but the means. What is to be aspired to is students who are learning and remembering what they learn. A pedagogical "discussion" may not be lively; it may not be "natural"; it may not engage a whole group simultaneously. Aspiring to such a thing leads us to feel we have failed, that "discussion" as a pedagogical tool has failed, when such interactions are halting, incomplete, unsustained, often inaccurate. Yet as others here note, research shows that interacting with other people in a guided problem-solving situation sparks learning and aids memory, even when a "lively discussion" is not engendered.

    "[1] A big part of that has to be getting them to a point where they are...actual baseline good readers.... [2] Lectures can play a significant role in getting students to that next level if they’re used not primarily to transmit information, but to guide students in their reading and in certain modes of thinking.... [3] A simple example is telling students what they should be looking for in their readings and giving them an outline of the basic argument ahead of time (my own students have requested as much).... [4] Preparing students for the reading can be an important way of being respectful of their time in a context where they face ever-greater demands outside the classroom."

    I agree [1] that college students need stronger critical reading skills overall, and that faculty in each discipline need to provide students with strategies for reading core texts (not just textbooks) in that discipline, a move that is both professional and [4] respectful. I agree that [3] providing students with reading guides or other content- or argument-markers -- or, er, discussion questions -- in advance of the time they spend reading is one way of scaffolding their reading experience; there's lots of research, and there are lots of additional pedagogical strategy suggestions, to help students practice better reading strategies. Even the old "SQ3R" approach can still be useful.

    But scholarship does not support the idea that [2] listening to someone speak about how he went about reading a text helps students learn to read better themselves (any more than my listening to Michael Phelps talk about how he swam for a gold medal race will improve my lap times in the pool very much). And certainly listening to someone talk about how he read the text selection that all students were assigned to read for today and are unlikely ever to reread seems counterproductive or at the very least inefficient, unless it is paired with an active-learning exercise in which students immediately return to the text and practice the strategies just modeled for them, either on today's assigned reading or, with guided modifications, on next week's. All Prof. Kotsko can "actually say" here is that perhaps students will begin to do better themselves after several such lectures.

    "What’s more, it’s not at all clear to me that imposing a straight discussion model on students who are bewildered and disoriented about the readings is going to do much good for them."

    Here, I think, is what prompts several people to judge that Prof. Kotsko's article compares "weak" discussion with "strong" lecture (a sign that they are responding to what Prof. Kotsko is actually saying). Prof. Kotsko does explain that by "lecture," he means a well-prepared, dramatically delivered, at least partially interactive and adaptive performance that focuses on strategy rather than solely on information transfer. Thus, a "strong" lecture, most of us would agree.

    In parallel, although Prof. Kotsko does not here exactly describe what he means by a "straight discussion model," this sentence plus a later one make clear that in this model, a faculty member enters a room full of "bewildered" students and, without any preamble, says, "Let's discuss the text. John, you start. What’d you think?" The implication is that there were no reading or discussion guidelines distributed in advance, that there was no initial period set aside to raise questions or collaboratively outline the key elements of the text, that there was no write-to-learn or paired-discussion activity to help students gain a foothold, that the discussion questions weren't carefully scaffolded to lead students from surface-level understanding to deeper understanding, and that students hadn't been taught any strategies for sharing their responses to difficult texts in this class.

    A class session that has none of these pedagogical strategies operating is the weakest form of discussion-based coursework: it is a class session based on the idea that learning happens just from holding a discussion, not from creating a strong, multifaceted pedagogical framework for interaction, problem-solving, reflection, and exploration. By describing only the weakest discussion-based classroom experience, Prof. Kotsko strongly implies (though it's true that he does not actually say) that all discussion-based teaching is this weak and thus in need of supplementation by strong lectures.

    "It seems to me that [A] to be productive in class discussion, students first need to be comfortable talking amongst themselves about the subject matter — and [B] the best way to cultivate that comfort may well be for them to study in groups in an old-fashioned information-heavy course. The process of coming up with easy ways to remember things is a way of [C] putting things into their own words and getting at the concepts, something they’re much more likely to do if they’re studying with others rather than trying to memorize things alone in their room. Not having the pressure of having to “perform” in front of the professor might also be helpful there. [D] Hence even the much-derided process of studying for a “regurgitation”-style test has its role — and it also meets the students at the level of learning they are likely bringing with them from high school.

    Eager to continue his defense of what he sees as another overlooked form of pedagogy, Prof. Kotsko proceeds to the topic of rote-learning exams, and brings the same 1+1+1=4 logic to it. Scholarship shows that indeed, [A] students need to practice discussing in order to get better at it, that they benefit from [C] putting things in their own words and from [B] sharing and evaluating those ideas in groups. It does not follow, however, that [D] regurgitation-type exams are the best, or just a good, or even a mildly productive way of motivating this kind of student interaction. Students can also be given small-group tasks to complete during class (or before/after class if an online forum is available); they can be assigned to complete collaborative projects; they can be asked to form study groups for more open-ended, problem-solving exams, whether in-class or take-home formats, etc. A fair amount of scholarship demonstrates the learning-benefits of these alternate kinds of student collaboration. There may be advantages to rote-learning exams, but the way in which they support students in critical thinking, active learning and collaborative discussion isn't their strongest feature.

    "The goals of critical thinking are the only possible goals of a liberal arts education, and I support them without reservation. Yet you can’t jump straight to them, and I think that a lot of the ways people talk about pedagogy assume that you can."

    It's sad that Prof. Kotsko has been listening only to such poor pedagogues. Certainly there's not much room to respect a faculty member who thinks that first-year college students are already equipped to conduct advanced-level critical thinking without any support, instruction, or attentive feedback. If that were true, why would they need college? Fortunately, no one need simply listen to how "people" "talk" about pedagogy any more: there's a wealth of scholarship about teaching and learning to support one's pedagogical development in every academic field. If Prof. Kotsko had actually said anything about this scholarship and how it enhances or contradicts his own experiences, readers might have responded thoughtfully thereto.

  • Posted by Adam Kotsko on November 22, 2009 at 7:30pm EST
  • "And certainly listening to someone talk about how he read the text selection that all students were assigned to read for today and are unlikely ever to reread seems counterproductive or at the very least inefficient, unless it is paired with an active-learning exercise in which students immediately return to the text and practice the strategies just modeled for them, either on today's assigned reading or, with guided modifications, on next week's." 

    The whole point of what I'm saying is that you should give them guidance BEFORE they start reading. Obviously it's a wasted opportunity if you do that only after they've already read it. That's why I recommend doing it before. Then they apply what you've given them when they go read the text. Now that you mention the idea of an immediate active reading exercise, it does seem good to come up with some such exercise where they begin to look at the text in class, again BEFORE they have to read it. 

    Seriously, guys -- my article takes for granted the scholarship that shows that lectures aren't very good at their traditional purpose, and I'm trying to think of ways to repurpose them. It shouldn't be controversial to say that sometimes discussions don't go well, and I suggest that they might go poorly when students aren't well-equipped to read the text in an engaged way. You don't need a scholarly study to know that when students haven't really understood the text, their discussion of it is not going to go well! So again, I'm trying to come up with strategies to give them a kind of head-start on their reading, and I want to emphasize that I think these strategies should be used beforehand.

    If anyone has a concrete example of an active learning exercise that could be paired with a basic expository "preview" lecture in advance of their reading, I'd love to hear it. One thing I did in my class this year was literally just sit down and read the first few paragraphs of the text out loud, pausing every sentence or so to ask them questions. It was a small class, so it was doable to get everyone to participate in that -- and the next class session, when we were "really" discussing the text (i.e., after they read it on their own), we had a really good discussion. Maybe continuing to do that more often would've been a good idea. But surely you all have ideas, too. Discussing such strategies would be a better use of all our time, and much more in the spirit of my article, than most of what has happened in the comment thread thus far.

  • When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
  • Posted by Cameron , eLearning and teaching on November 22, 2009 at 7:30pm EST
  • There is nothing wrong with lectures if you know how to verbally convey a message, and you make a conscious decision to use a lecture, after weighing up the intructional alternatives. The problem is we have is a largely untrained workforce who in (far too) many cases don't have skills and knowledge to do this. I believe in Higher Ed we yack at students because we were yacked at by our lecturers. 'Monkey see. monkey do' (based on our experience as snotty nosed undergrads) should not be the guiding influence to our approach to teaching.

    Lectures are great if you're good at them, but you need more than a hammer to build a house.

    Cameron

  • A bit more on the research...
  • Posted by Cedar Riener , Asst. Prof of Psychology at small liberal arts school on November 23, 2009 at 9:45pm EST
  • For more research on learning and how it informs the practice of teaching, I would highly recommend Dan Willingham's "Why Don't Students Like School?"
    One of my favorite chapters shows why learning styles don't exist. You can also check out his YouTube video on this same topic.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIv9rz2NTUk
    He is a cognitive scientist who translates and relates the basic research in psychology to educational settings.
    Not to overgeneralize, but I have found much of the educational research on discussion vs. lecture to be uninspiring and unenlightening, because rather than identifying the factors and instances which influence the effectiveness of format, they pit them head to head in one particular instance, and declare one the victor.
    Lecturing has its place, and so does discussion, but far more useful would be to strengthen our pedagogical effectiveness by acknowledging the weaknesses and strengths of each. Lecturing makes interaction more difficult (not impossible) and allows students to space out, so intersperse group or pair activities to keep people on task, or clickers, with well-framed questions, or demonstrations that ask students to make their own predictions. Discussions can be tangential and disorganized, so have students write for 5 to ten minutes to frame the later discussion, or have a set of questions to get through, and a discussion leader that will move the group on to the next question.
    The question is not whether lecture or discussion is best, but rather, how can we best maintain students' attention, shape their patterns of thought, and get them to practice the kind of thinking that will result in deep knowledge. Whether the author sets up a straw man or not, the problem is that format is a red herring, just like learning styles is.