To make sense of these numbers, we spoke with Iris Palmer, a senior adviser for higher education and workforce with the education policy program at New America. Palmer talked about state policies and incentives to help students transfer more seamlessly.

We also spoke with Alison Kadlec, a founding partner with Sova, an organization that works on transfer and student success. Kadlec describes how colleges typically have treated transfer students, and what the enrollment crunch most institutions now face could mean for that dynamic.

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